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Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow?

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  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-26 07:26 -0700
    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-08-26 09:43 -0700
      Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-26 15:46 -0700
        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-08-26 19:07 -0700
          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-27 07:29 -0700
            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-08-27 08:16 -0700
              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-28 09:05 +1000
              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 08:48 -0500
                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-28 07:22 -0700
                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 10:09 -0500
                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-28 10:51 -0700
                      Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 13:29 -0500
                        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-29 07:47 -0700
                          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 10:55 -0500
            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 18:13 +0000
              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-28 07:11 -0700
                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 10:10 -0500
                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-28 10:16 -0700
          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-28 07:09 -0700
            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 10:07 -0500
              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-28 08:28 -0700
                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 10:30 -0500
                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-28 17:42 +0200
                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-28 11:12 -0700
                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 13:29 -0500
                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-29 21:18 +0000
              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-28 08:35 -0700
                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:11 -0500
                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-29 07:27 -0700
                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-29 16:38 +0200
                      Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-30 09:17 +1000
                        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-30 11:09 +0200
                          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-30 19:40 +1000
                            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-30 12:05 +0200
                              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-30 21:15 +1000
                                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-30 14:13 +0200
                                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-30 13:26 -0700
                                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-31 08:54 +1000
                                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-31 11:03 +0200
                                      Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-31 05:55 -0700
                                        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-31 16:05 +0200
                                          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-31 11:39 -0700
                                            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 14:11 -0500
                                              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-03 09:01 -0700
                                                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-03 22:20 +0000
                                                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-04 19:56 +1000
                                                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-04 12:11 +0200
                                                      Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-05 08:33 +1000
                                                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:58 -0500
                                                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:56 -0500
                                                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-05 07:03 -0700
                                                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:12 -0500
                                                      Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-05 08:36 -0700
                                                        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
                                                          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-06 07:12 -0700
                                                            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-09-07 01:23 +1000
                                                            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-06 16:46 +0000
                                                            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 13:06 -0500
                                                              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-07 07:17 -0700
                                                                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-07 15:53 -0500
                                                                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-08 06:25 -0700
                                                                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 08:36 -0500
                                                                      Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-08 07:44 -0700
                                                                        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-08 16:20 +0000
                                                                        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 11:41 -0500
                                                                          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-09 07:25 +1000
                                                                            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 16:49 -0500
                                                                              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-10 09:26 +1000
                                                                            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-08 22:19 +0000
                                                                          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-09 02:44 -0700
                                                                          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 08:06 -0700
                                                                            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 08:41 -0500
                                                                              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-11 06:45 -0700
                                                                              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-11 15:46 +0200
                                                                                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 07:50 -0700
                                                                                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-11 17:00 +0200
                                                                                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 09:30 -0700
                                                                                      Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-11 18:35 +0200
                                                                                        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 14:48 -0700
                                                                                      Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 11:55 -0500
                                                                                        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-12 20:53 +1000
                                                                                          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 08:58 -0500
                                                                                            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-13 08:17 +1000
                                                                                              Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 18:07 -0500
                                                                                                Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-14 08:40 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-14 09:13 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-15 12:00 +1000
                                                                                                      Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-15 08:33 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-16 08:13 +1000
                                                                                                          Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-16 18:13 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-17 07:47 +1000
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                                                                                                                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2017-09-18 15:16 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-18 15:29 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-18 23:31 +0000
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                                                                                                                        Re: What Do Dingleberries Actually Mean When They Claim Moving Clocks Run Slow? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-19 08:06 -0700
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#430544

FromPython <python@example.invalid>
Date2017-08-31 16:05 +0200
Message-ID<oo9541$l8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#430540
kenseto wrote:
>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
>
> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.

You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case

> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.

There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.



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#430570

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-08-31 11:39 -0700
Message-ID<fef0c0e3-af19-42b7-8890-d111a32e2e27@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#430544
On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
> kenseto wrote:
> >> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
> >> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
> >> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
> >
> > I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
> 
> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
> 
> > I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
> 
> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.

That’s your problem......every event have a source.

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#430576

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-31 14:11 -0500
Message-ID<oo9n08$vm7$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#430570
On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
>> kenseto wrote:
>>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
>>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
>>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
>>>
>>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
>>
>> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
>> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
>> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
>>
>>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
>>
>> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
> 
> That’s your problem......every event have a source.
> 

Not a unique one.

Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of 
the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed 
relative to the source?

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#430929

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-09-03 09:01 -0700
Message-ID<c9e6ecb2-64a8-4eeb-9186-02b3b0427d38@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#430576
On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
> >> kenseto wrote:
> >>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
> >>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
> >>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
> >>>
> >>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
> >>
> >> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
> >> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
> >> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
> >>
> >>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
> >>
> >> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
> > 
> > That’s your problem......every event have a source.
> > 
> 
> Not a unique one.
> 
> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of 
> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed 
> relative to the source?

The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
We are talking about measuring the simultaneity of two events....in this case you only have one event. 
Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt the positions of these two events to do such measurement. The speed relative to the source  is not mentioned.

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#430972

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-09-03 22:20 +0000
Message-ID<oohv6u$42b$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#430929
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:

>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
>> relative to the source?

>The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.

Stupid Ken, the meeting of the two cars is the event itself, not the
source of the event.

How can you pretend to know anything about physics if you can't even
understand what's going on, or even the terminology?

>Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt 
>the positions of these two events to do such measurement.

No, Ken, you don't get to invent new rules. There is no requirement for
any observer to be at a midpoint to measure sumultanity.

And once again, it's meaningless to say that you are at rest relative to
a position.

Don't you ever wonder why IRT and Model Mechanics are such colossal 
failures?  Perhaps part of the reason is that you make up rules that don't
apply.

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#431006

FromHGW <HW@home.net>
Date2017-09-04 19:56 +1000
Message-ID<ooj813$1bhh$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#430972
On 04/09/17 08:20, Michael Moroney wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> 
>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> 
>>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
>>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
>>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
>>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
>>> relative to the source?
> 
>> The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
> 
> Stupid Ken, the meeting of the two cars is the event itself, not the
> source of the event.
> 
> How can you pretend to know anything about physics if you can't even
> understand what's going on, or even the terminology?
> 
>> Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt
>> the positions of these two events to do such measurement.
> 
> No, Ken, you don't get to invent new rules. There is no requirement for
> any observer to be at a midpoint to measure sumultanity.
> 
> And once again, it's meaningless to say that you are at rest relative to
> a position.
> 
> Don't you ever wonder why IRT and Model Mechanics are such colossal
> failures?  Perhaps part of the reason is that you make up rules that don't
> apply.

Why do you dingleberries like to make such fools of themselves every time they post here? Are they all masochistic or is 
it just that they have been doing it all their lives and simply can't stop.

The two cars meet at a point...and that point, which is the location of the event, can be defined by coordinates in any 
frame or, alternatively it can be used to define a the particular frame in which it is at rest. Every observer has a 
particular speed in whatever frame is chosen and therefore has a speed relative to the point where the event took place. 
It is quite legitimate to say that the observer has a speed relative to the event when quite obviously that means 
relative to the point where the event took place. The choice of frame makes no difference to the observer's speed 
relative to the event.
-- 

    HGW, DSc.

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#431007

FromPython <python@example.invalid>
Date2017-09-04 12:11 +0200
Message-ID<ooj8sp$1da4$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431006
Ralph Rabbidge wrote:
> On 04/09/17 08:20, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
>>
>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>
>>>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
>>>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
>>>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
>>>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
>>>> relative to the source?
>>
>>> The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
>>
>> Stupid Ken, the meeting of the two cars is the event itself, not the
>> source of the event.
>>
>> How can you pretend to know anything about physics if you can't even
>> understand what's going on, or even the terminology?
>>
>>> Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt
>>> the positions of these two events to do such measurement.
>>
>> No, Ken, you don't get to invent new rules. There is no requirement for
>> any observer to be at a midpoint to measure sumultanity.
>>
>> And once again, it's meaningless to say that you are at rest relative to
>> a position.
>>
>> Don't you ever wonder why IRT and Model Mechanics are such colossal
>> failures?  Perhaps part of the reason is that you make up rules that
>> don't
>> apply.
>
> Why do you dingleberries like to make such fools of themselves every
> time they post here? Are they all masochistic or is it just that they
> have been doing it all their lives and simply can't stop.
>
> The two cars meet at a point...and that point, which is the location of
> the event, can be defined by coordinates in any frame or, alternatively
> it can be used to define a the particular frame in which it is at rest.
> Every observer has a particular speed in whatever frame is chosen and
> therefore has a speed relative to the point where the event took place.
> It is quite legitimate to say that the observer has a speed relative to
> the event when quite obviously that means relative to the point where
> the event took place. The choice of frame makes no difference to the
> observer's speed relative to the event.

Your ability to systematically miss the point is very impressive, Mr
Rabbidge.

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#431103

FromHGW <HW@home.net>
Date2017-09-05 08:33 +1000
Message-ID<ookkc2$1s9p$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431007
On 04/09/17 20:11, Python wrote:
> Ralph Rabbidge wrote:

>>
>> Why do you dingleberries like to make such fools of themselves every
>> time they post here? Are they all masochistic or is it just that they
>> have been doing it all their lives and simply can't stop.
>>
>> The two cars meet at a point...and that point, which is the location of
>> the event, can be defined by coordinates in any frame or, alternatively
>> it can be used to define a the particular frame in which it is at rest.
>> Every observer has a particular speed in whatever frame is chosen and
>> therefore has a speed relative to the point where the event took place.
>> It is quite legitimate to say that the observer has a speed relative to
>> the event when quite obviously that means relative to the point where
>> the event took place. The choice of frame makes no difference to the
>> observer's speed relative to the event.
> 
> Your ability to systematically miss the point is very impressive, Dr. Wilson.
  Your ability to systematically demonstrate your obviously low IQ is very sad.


-- 

    HGW, DSc.

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#431179

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-05 08:58 -0500
Message-ID<oomahm$ftk$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431006
On 9/4/17 4:56 AM, HGW wrote:
> The two cars meet at a point...and that point, which is the location of 
> the event, can be defined by coordinates in any frame or, alternatively 
> it can be used to define a the particular frame in which it is at rest. 
> Every observer has a particular speed in whatever frame is chosen and 
> therefore has a speed relative to the point where the event took place. 
> It is quite legitimate to say that the observer has a speed relative to 
> the event when quite obviously that means relative to the point where 
> the event took place. The choice of frame makes no difference to the 
> observer's speed relative to the event.

Henry is claiming that if an event happens next to a mile marker, then 
you can use the mile marker as a proxy for the event to determine 
whether the mile marker is at rest relative to the observer, and then 
claim that this also tells you whether the event is at rest relative to 
the observer. Because if the event doesn't have any duration for "at 
rest" to have any meaning, then find something handy that does have 
duration.

Henry is a flaming idiot.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#431177

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-05 08:56 -0500
Message-ID<oomadi$ftk$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#430929
On 9/3/17 11:01 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
>>>>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
>>>>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
>>>>
>>>> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
>>>> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
>>>> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
>>>>
>>>>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
>>>>
>>>> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
>>>
>>> That’s your problem......every event have a source.
>>>
>>
>> Not a unique one.
>>
>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
>> relative to the source?
> 
> The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.

The meeting of the two cars has no duration. You cannot be at rest (or 
moving) with respect to anything with no duration.

Back to square one.

> We are talking about measuring the simultaneity of two events....in this case you only have one event.
> Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt the positions of these two events to do such measurement. The speed relative to the source  is not mentioned.
> 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#431183

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-09-05 07:03 -0700
Message-ID<a5a1e1d8-f573-495b-b098-acbf2c614f32@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#431177
On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:56:08 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/3/17 11:01 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
> >>>> kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
> >>>>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
> >>>>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
> >>>>
> >>>> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
> >>>> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
> >>>> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
> >>>>
> >>>>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
> >>>>
> >>>> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
> >>>
> >>> That’s your problem......every event have a source.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not a unique one.
> >>
> >> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
> >> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
> >> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
> >> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
> >> relative to the source?
> > 
> > The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
> 
> The meeting of the two cars has no duration. You cannot be at rest (or 
> moving) with respect to anything with no duration.

Idiot you can be at rest wrt the positions of the events as in Einstein’s train gadenken. Gee you are so stupid.

> 
> Back to square one.
> 
> > We are talking about measuring the simultaneity of two events....in this case you only have one event.
> > Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt the positions of these two events to do such measurement. The speed relative to the source  is not mentioned.
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#431187

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-05 09:12 -0500
Message-ID<oombc6$ib8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431183
On 9/5/17 9:03 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:56:08 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/3/17 11:01 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
>>>>>>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
>>>>>>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
>>>>>> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
>>>>>> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s your problem......every event have a source.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not a unique one.
>>>>
>>>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
>>>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
>>>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
>>>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
>>>> relative to the source?
>>>
>>> The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
>>
>> The meeting of the two cars has no duration. You cannot be at rest (or
>> moving) with respect to anything with no duration.
> 
> Idiot you can be at rest wrt the positions of the events as in Einstein’s train gadenken. Gee you are so stupid.

Ken, as Einstein discussed that gedanken, he NEVER SAID that the 
observers were at rest relative to the events. Not once. That's because 
you cannot be at rest relative to the events.

What you're going to find is another example of where you inserted 
something that YOU MADE UP into someone else's words. Then you are going 
to stare at it a while and ask yourself how you got to be so convinced 
that the part you made up was there, when it isn't. Then you're going to 
say that Einstein IMPLIED it when in fact you just made it up.

Like "material length contraction" where Einstein never used or implied 
that it was material at all. It was just something you made up.

> 
>>
>> Back to square one.
>>
>>> We are talking about measuring the simultaneity of two events....in this case you only have one event.
>>> Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt the positions of these two events to do such measurement. The speed relative to the source  is not mentioned.
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


-- 
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#431205

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-09-05 08:36 -0700
Message-ID<42d68e94-91a2-476b-8289-3bf3d46a6b05@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#431187
On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 10:12:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/5/17 9:03 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:56:08 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 9/3/17 11:01 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
> >>>>>> kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
> >>>>>>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
> >>>>>>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
> >>>>>> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
> >>>>>> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That’s your problem......every event have a source.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Not a unique one.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
> >>>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
> >>>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
> >>>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
> >>>> relative to the source?
> >>>
> >>> The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
> >>
> >> The meeting of the two cars has no duration. You cannot be at rest (or
> >> moving) with respect to anything with no duration.
> > 
> > Idiot you can be at rest wrt the positions of the events as in Einstein’s train gadenken. Gee you are so stupid.
> 
> Ken, as Einstein discussed that gedanken, he NEVER SAID that the 
> observers were at rest relative to the events. Not once. That's because 
> you cannot be at rest relative to the events.

Fucking idiot the train observer is at rest with respect to the positions of the event (the ends of the train).


> 
> What you're going to find is another example of where you inserted 
> something that YOU MADE UP into someone else's words. Then you are going 
> to stare at it a while and ask yourself how you got to be so convinced 
> that the part you made up was there, when it isn't. Then you're going to 
> say that Einstein IMPLIED it when in fact you just made it up.
> 
> Like "material length contraction" where Einstein never used or implied 
> that it was material at all. It was just something you made up.
> 
> > 
> >>
> >> Back to square one.
> >>
> >>> We are talking about measuring the simultaneity of two events....in this case you only have one event.
> >>> Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt the positions of these two events to do such measurement. The speed relative to the source  is not mentioned.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#431247

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
Message-ID<oon3s3$143$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431205
On 9/5/17 10:36 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 10:12:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/5/17 9:03 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:56:08 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/3/17 11:01 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
>>>>>>>>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
>>>>>>>>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
>>>>>>>> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
>>>>>>>> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s your problem......every event have a source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not a unique one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
>>>>>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
>>>>>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
>>>>>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
>>>>>> relative to the source?
>>>>>
>>>>> The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
>>>>
>>>> The meeting of the two cars has no duration. You cannot be at rest (or
>>>> moving) with respect to anything with no duration.
>>>
>>> Idiot you can be at rest wrt the positions of the events as in Einstein’s train gadenken. Gee you are so stupid.
>>
>> Ken, as Einstein discussed that gedanken, he NEVER SAID that the
>> observers were at rest relative to the events. Not once. That's because
>> you cannot be at rest relative to the events.
> 
> Fucking idiot the train observer is at rest with respect to the positions of the event (the ends of the train).

Ken, I will ask you to re-read the gedanken. Notice that Einstein says 
that the events are the lightning strikes, not the ends of the train. 
Notice also that he stipulates that the lightning hits BOTH the end of 
the train AND the track, where the end of the train and the track meet.

Notice that there are thus TWO sets of positions: one at the ends of the 
train and one at the marks on the track.

Notice that the train observer is at rest relative to the ends of the 
train, but is NOT at rest relative to the marks on the track. Notice 
that the track observer is at rest relative to the marks on the track 
but NOT at rest relative to the ends of the train.

There is no priority given to whether the positions should be followed 
with the train or whether the positions should be followed with the 
track marks.


> 
> 
>>
>> What you're going to find is another example of where you inserted
>> something that YOU MADE UP into someone else's words. Then you are going
>> to stare at it a while and ask yourself how you got to be so convinced
>> that the part you made up was there, when it isn't. Then you're going to
>> say that Einstein IMPLIED it when in fact you just made it up.
>>
>> Like "material length contraction" where Einstein never used or implied
>> that it was material at all. It was just something you made up.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Back to square one.
>>>>
>>>>> We are talking about measuring the simultaneity of two events....in this case you only have one event.
>>>>> Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt the positions of these two events to do such measurement. The speed relative to the source  is not mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


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#431345

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-09-06 07:12 -0700
Message-ID<b255a892-8d36-4018-a590-97f66c55cea0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#431247
On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:10:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/5/17 10:36 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 10:12:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 9/5/17 9:03 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:56:08 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> On 9/3/17 11:01 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
> >>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
> >>>>>>>>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
> >>>>>>>>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
> >>>>>>>> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
> >>>>>>>> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That’s your problem......every event have a source.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not a unique one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
> >>>>>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
> >>>>>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
> >>>>>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
> >>>>>> relative to the source?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
> >>>>
> >>>> The meeting of the two cars has no duration. You cannot be at rest (or
> >>>> moving) with respect to anything with no duration.
> >>>
> >>> Idiot you can be at rest wrt the positions of the events as in Einstein’s train gadenken. Gee you are so stupid.
> >>
> >> Ken, as Einstein discussed that gedanken, he NEVER SAID that the
> >> observers were at rest relative to the events. Not once. That's because
> >> you cannot be at rest relative to the events.
> > 
> > Fucking idiot the train observer is at rest with respect to the positions of the event (the ends of the train).
> 
> Ken, I will ask you to re-read the gedanken. Notice that Einstein says 
> that the events are the lightning strikes, not the ends of the train. 

He said that lightning strikes at the ends of the train (that means the positions of the events) at the moment when M and M’ are coincided. If not there is no way to determine if the strikes were happened at equal distance from M or M’.


> Notice also that he stipulates that the lightning hits BOTH the end of 
> the train AND the track, where the end of the train and the track meet.
> 
> Notice that there are thus TWO sets of positions: one at the ends of the 
> train and one at the marks on the track.
> 
> Notice that the train observer is at rest relative to the ends of the 
> train, but is NOT at rest relative to the marks on the track. Notice 
> that the track observer is at rest relative to the marks on the track 
> but NOT at rest relative to the ends of the train.
> 
> There is no priority given to whether the positions should be followed 
> with the train or whether the positions should be followed with the 
> track marks.
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >> What you're going to find is another example of where you inserted
> >> something that YOU MADE UP into someone else's words. Then you are going
> >> to stare at it a while and ask yourself how you got to be so convinced
> >> that the part you made up was there, when it isn't. Then you're going to
> >> say that Einstein IMPLIED it when in fact you just made it up.
> >>
> >> Like "material length contraction" where Einstein never used or implied
> >> that it was material at all. It was just something you made up.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Back to square one.
> >>>>
> >>>>> We are talking about measuring the simultaneity of two events....in this case you only have one event.
> >>>>> Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt the positions of these two events to do such measurement. The speed relative to the source  is not mentioned.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#431352

From"HGW, DSc." <HG@....>
Date2017-09-07 01:23 +1000
Message-ID<oop3s4$1cn5$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431345
On 07/09/17 00:12, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:10:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:

>>>> Ken, as Einstein discussed that gedanken, he NEVER SAID that
>>>> the observers were at rest relative to the events. Not once.
>>>> That's because you cannot be at rest relative to the events.
>>> 
>>> Fucking idiot the train observer is at rest with respect to the
>>> positions of the event (the ends of the train).
>> 
>> Ken, I will ask you to re-read the gedanken. Notice that Einstein
>> says that the events are the lightning strikes, not the ends of the
>> train.
> 
> He said that lightning strikes at the ends of the train (that means
> the positions of the events) at the moment when M and M’ are
> coincided. If not there is no way to determine if the strikes were
> happened at equal distance from M or M’.

Ken you wont win with that argument alone. The whole gedanken depends on 
whether the light that reaches the observers was reflected from the 
train or the embankment. It's a trick question, designed to confuse the 
reader into accepting that light always moves at c.

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#431362

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-09-06 16:46 +0000
Message-ID<oop8or$d83$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#431345
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:10:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:

>> >> Ken, as Einstein discussed that gedanken, he NEVER SAID that the
>> >> observers were at rest relative to the events. Not once. That's because
>> >> you cannot be at rest relative to the events.
>> >
>> > Fucking idiot the train observer is at rest with respect to the positions
>> > of the event (the ends of the train).
>>
>> Ken, I will ask you to re-read the gedanken. Notice that Einstein says
>> that the events are the lightning strikes, not the ends of the train.

>He said that lightning strikes at the ends of the train (that means the 
>positions of the events) at the moment when M and M' are coincided. If
>not there is no way to determine if the strikes were happened at equal
>distance from M or M'.

No, Ken, Einstein said the lightning struck the train ends and the platform
simultaneously.  Think of the lightning bolts as leaping between the train
ends and platform if it helps.

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#431367

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-06 13:06 -0500
Message-ID<oopdfo$1e9$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431345
On 9/6/17 9:12 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:10:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/5/17 10:36 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 10:12:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/5/17 9:03 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:56:08 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/3/17 11:01 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
>>>>>>>>>>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
>>>>>>>>>>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
>>>>>>>>>> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
>>>>>>>>>> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That’s your problem......every event have a source.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not a unique one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
>>>>>>>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
>>>>>>>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
>>>>>>>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
>>>>>>>> relative to the source?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The meeting of the two cars has no duration. You cannot be at rest (or
>>>>>> moving) with respect to anything with no duration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Idiot you can be at rest wrt the positions of the events as in Einstein’s train gadenken. Gee you are so stupid.
>>>>
>>>> Ken, as Einstein discussed that gedanken, he NEVER SAID that the
>>>> observers were at rest relative to the events. Not once. That's because
>>>> you cannot be at rest relative to the events.
>>>
>>> Fucking idiot the train observer is at rest with respect to the positions of the event (the ends of the train).
>>
>> Ken, I will ask you to re-read the gedanken. Notice that Einstein says
>> that the events are the lightning strikes, not the ends of the train.
> 
> He said that lightning strikes at the ends of the train (that means the positions of the events) at the moment when M and M’ are coincided. If not there is no way to determine if the strikes were happened at equal distance from M or M’.

You did not re-read the gedanken. You are relying on your faulty memory.

> 
> 
>> Notice also that he stipulates that the lightning hits BOTH the end of
>> the train AND the track, where the end of the train and the track meet.
>>
>> Notice that there are thus TWO sets of positions: one at the ends of the
>> train and one at the marks on the track.
>>
>> Notice that the train observer is at rest relative to the ends of the
>> train, but is NOT at rest relative to the marks on the track. Notice
>> that the track observer is at rest relative to the marks on the track
>> but NOT at rest relative to the ends of the train.
>>
>> There is no priority given to whether the positions should be followed
>> with the train or whether the positions should be followed with the
>> track marks.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What you're going to find is another example of where you inserted
>>>> something that YOU MADE UP into someone else's words. Then you are going
>>>> to stare at it a while and ask yourself how you got to be so convinced
>>>> that the part you made up was there, when it isn't. Then you're going to
>>>> say that Einstein IMPLIED it when in fact you just made it up.
>>>>
>>>> Like "material length contraction" where Einstein never used or implied
>>>> that it was material at all. It was just something you made up.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to square one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are talking about measuring the simultaneity of two events....in this case you only have one event.
>>>>>>> Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt the positions of these two events to do such measurement. The speed relative to the source  is not mentioned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


-- 
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#431465

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-09-07 07:17 -0700
Message-ID<ce5ed45f-4632-4901-b54f-9d07e09e50a4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#431367
On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 2:06:53 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/6/17 9:12 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:10:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 9/5/17 10:36 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 10:12:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> On 9/5/17 9:03 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:56:08 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> On 9/3/17 11:01 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
> >>>>>>>>>>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
> >>>>>>>>>> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
> >>>>>>>>>> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That’s your problem......every event have a source.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Not a unique one.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
> >>>>>>>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
> >>>>>>>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
> >>>>>>>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
> >>>>>>>> relative to the source?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The meeting of the two cars has no duration. You cannot be at rest (or
> >>>>>> moving) with respect to anything with no duration.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Idiot you can be at rest wrt the positions of the events as in Einstein’s train gadenken. Gee you are so stupid.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken, as Einstein discussed that gedanken, he NEVER SAID that the
> >>>> observers were at rest relative to the events. Not once. That's because
> >>>> you cannot be at rest relative to the events.
> >>>
> >>> Fucking idiot the train observer is at rest with respect to the positions of the event (the ends of the train).
> >>
> >> Ken, I will ask you to re-read the gedanken. Notice that Einstein says
> >> that the events are the lightning strikes, not the ends of the train.
> > 
> > He said that lightning strikes at the ends of the train (that means the positions of the events) at the moment when M and M’ are coincided. If not there is no way to determine if the strikes were happened at equal distance from M or M’.
> 
> You did not re-read the gedanken. You are relying on your faulty memory.

Nope.....The strikes hit the ends of the train and leave marks on the track when M and M’ are coincided. So  both M and M’ will see the strikes to be simultaneous. Einstein used the bogus concept of  non-existing closing speed that’ is rushed toward the light front from the front end and receding away  from the light front from the rear to get his bogus RoS and RoS is needed to save his P2. Gee you are so stupid.
> 
> > 
> > 
> >> Notice also that he stipulates that the lightning hits BOTH the end of
> >> the train AND the track, where the end of the train and the track meet.
> >>
> >> Notice that there are thus TWO sets of positions: one at the ends of the
> >> train and one at the marks on the track.
> >>
> >> Notice that the train observer is at rest relative to the ends of the
> >> train, but is NOT at rest relative to the marks on the track. Notice
> >> that the track observer is at rest relative to the marks on the track
> >> but NOT at rest relative to the ends of the train.
> >>
> >> There is no priority given to whether the positions should be followed
> >> with the train or whether the positions should be followed with the
> >> track marks.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What you're going to find is another example of where you inserted
> >>>> something that YOU MADE UP into someone else's words. Then you are going
> >>>> to stare at it a while and ask yourself how you got to be so convinced
> >>>> that the part you made up was there, when it isn't. Then you're going to
> >>>> say that Einstein IMPLIED it when in fact you just made it up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Like "material length contraction" where Einstein never used or implied
> >>>> that it was material at all. It was just something you made up.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Back to square one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We are talking about measuring the simultaneity of two events....in this case you only have one event.
> >>>>>>> Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt the positions of these two events to do such measurement. The speed relative to the source  is not mentioned.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -- 
> >>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#431516

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-07 15:53 -0500
Message-ID<oosbjc$uso$6@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431465
On 9/7/17 9:17 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 2:06:53 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/6/17 9:12 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:10:31 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/5/17 10:36 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 10:12:27 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/5/17 9:03 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:56:08 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/3/17 11:01 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 3:11:08 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/17 1:39 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Python wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it made sense, how come neither you, Ralph Rabbidge, nor Mr Seto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can answser my very basic question: two objects intersect in space,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is an event, what is the meaning of “speed wrt this tevent"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn’t say “speed wrt any event”.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You did. You wrote about being at rest wrt to an event. If it made
>>>>>>>>>>>> sense to be at rest wrt an event, so it would make sense to have
>>>>>>>>>>>> a speed wrt to it. N.B. This is not the case
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I said that an observer can have speed wrt the source of the event.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There. Is. No. Meaning. In. The. Expression. *the* source of the event.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That’s your problem......every event have a source.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not a unique one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here are two passing cars       CAR -->     <-- CAR
>>>>>>>>>> Which car, the one on the left or the one on the right is the source of
>>>>>>>>>> the event that is the meeting of the two cars?
>>>>>>>>>> Which one of these two cars would the observer be asking about speed
>>>>>>>>>> relative to the source?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The source of this one event is the meeting of the cars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The meeting of the two cars has no duration. You cannot be at rest (or
>>>>>>>> moving) with respect to anything with no duration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Idiot you can be at rest wrt the positions of the events as in Einstein’s train gadenken. Gee you are so stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken, as Einstein discussed that gedanken, he NEVER SAID that the
>>>>>> observers were at rest relative to the events. Not once. That's because
>>>>>> you cannot be at rest relative to the events.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fucking idiot the train observer is at rest with respect to the positions of the event (the ends of the train).
>>>>
>>>> Ken, I will ask you to re-read the gedanken. Notice that Einstein says
>>>> that the events are the lightning strikes, not the ends of the train.
>>>
>>> He said that lightning strikes at the ends of the train (that means the positions of the events) at the moment when M and M’ are coincided. If not there is no way to determine if the strikes were happened at equal distance from M or M’.
>>
>> You did not re-read the gedanken. You are relying on your faulty memory.
> 
> Nope.

That's right you didn't.

> ....The strikes hit the ends of the train and leave marks on the track when M and M’ are coincided.

So how does a strike that hits the end of a train leave a mark on the 
track, Ken?

> So  both M and M’ will see the strikes to be simultaneous. Einstein used the bogus concept of  non-existing closing speed that’ is rushed toward the light front from the front end and receding away  from the light front from the rear to get his bogus RoS and RoS is needed to save his P2. Gee you are so stupid.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Notice also that he stipulates that the lightning hits BOTH the end of
>>>> the train AND the track, where the end of the train and the track meet.
>>>>
>>>> Notice that there are thus TWO sets of positions: one at the ends of the
>>>> train and one at the marks on the track.
>>>>
>>>> Notice that the train observer is at rest relative to the ends of the
>>>> train, but is NOT at rest relative to the marks on the track. Notice
>>>> that the track observer is at rest relative to the marks on the track
>>>> but NOT at rest relative to the ends of the train.
>>>>
>>>> There is no priority given to whether the positions should be followed
>>>> with the train or whether the positions should be followed with the
>>>> track marks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you're going to find is another example of where you inserted
>>>>>> something that YOU MADE UP into someone else's words. Then you are going
>>>>>> to stare at it a while and ask yourself how you got to be so convinced
>>>>>> that the part you made up was there, when it isn't. Then you're going to
>>>>>> say that Einstein IMPLIED it when in fact you just made it up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like "material length contraction" where Einstein never used or implied
>>>>>> that it was material at all. It was just something you made up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Back to square one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are talking about measuring the simultaneity of two events....in this case you only have one event.
>>>>>>>>> Also I said that the observer must be at rest at the mid-point wrt the positions of these two events to do such measurement. The speed relative to the source  is not mentioned.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


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