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Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887

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  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-28 09:10 +1000
    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-08-27 17:24 -0700
    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-28 13:33 +0200
      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-29 08:51 +1000
        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-29 01:52 +0200
          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-29 11:15 +1000
            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-29 10:32 +0200
              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-29 19:47 +1000
                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-29 13:31 +0200
                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-30 10:19 +1000
                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 18:34 -0700
                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-30 06:08 +0200
                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-30 19:49 +1000
                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-30 19:21 +0200
                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-31 09:13 +1000
                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 02:11 +0200
                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-02 08:47 +1000
                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-02 02:14 +0200
                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-03 08:59 +1000
                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-03 18:01 +0200
                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-04 09:06 +1000
                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-04 02:05 +0200
                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-04 20:38 +1000
                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-04 21:03 +0200
                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-05 10:05 +1000
                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-05 13:58 +0200
                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-05 06:04 -0700
                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-05 21:15 +0200
                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-06 09:18 +1000
                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-06 03:43 +0200
                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-09-07 00:45 +1000
                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-06 22:21 +0200
                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-07 09:37 +1000
                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-07 09:51 +1000
                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-07 13:48 +0200
                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-08 09:55 +1000
                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-08 11:20 +0200
                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-09-08 19:51 +1000
                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-08 14:14 +0200
                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-09 06:56 +1000
                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-07 10:57 -0500
                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Erika Milling <kak@kiilwgil.lc> - 2017-09-07 16:00 +0000
                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-08 09:58 +1000
                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-07 13:15 +0200
                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-08 10:13 +1000
                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-08 13:28 +0200
                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-09 07:14 +1000
                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-09 19:51 +0200
                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-10 12:27 +1000
                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-10 12:30 +0200
                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-11 07:32 +1000
                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-07 18:35 -0700
                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-07 10:50 -0500
                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Erika Milling <kak@kiilwgil.lc> - 2017-09-07 15:57 +0000
                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-07 15:43 -0500
                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-08 10:20 +1000
                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-06 01:24 -0700
                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-06 15:08 +0200
                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-09-06 12:00 -0700
                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-07 19:54 +0200
                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-06 22:36 +0200
                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-06 13:50 -0700
                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-07 06:21 -0700
                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-07 11:08 -0500
                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-08 11:58 +1000
                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-07 19:55 +0200
                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-07 20:11 +0200
                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-07 17:48 -0700
                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-08 07:17 +0200
                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-08 01:01 -0700
                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-08 10:56 +0200
                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-08 10:37 -0700
                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-08 21:51 +0200
                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-08 15:57 -0700
                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-09 01:15 +0200
                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-09-08 16:38 -0700
                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-09 06:39 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-09 07:08 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-09 18:41 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Utorských Vitelé <hue@svwor.hh> - 2017-09-09 17:03 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-10 19:15 +1000
                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-10 11:37 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-10 19:54 +1000
                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-10 13:14 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-11 07:49 +1000
                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-10 16:32 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-10 18:14 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.nett> - 2017-09-11 11:34 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-10 21:02 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.nett> - 2017-09-11 19:42 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-10 18:21 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-11 20:38 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-12 12:50 +1000
                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-12 14:50 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-13 09:42 +1000
                                                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-13 17:32 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-14 08:16 +1000
                                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-14 15:29 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-09-15 03:38 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-10 06:58 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-10 16:54 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-11 04:07 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-11 13:50 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Utorských Vitelé <hue@svwor.hh> - 2017-09-11 16:52 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-11 10:30 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-11 19:57 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-11 13:53 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-11 14:23 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-11 14:27 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-11 14:33 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-12 07:11 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-12 05:47 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-12 15:51 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-12 11:55 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-12 21:04 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-09-13 01:04 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-13 05:02 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-13 14:16 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-13 05:46 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-12 18:57 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-13 00:17 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-13 09:50 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-13 15:10 -0500
                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-13 01:03 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-13 12:07 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-13 23:48 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-14 08:35 +1000
                                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-14 02:16 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-14 21:07 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-15 06:03 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-15 08:50 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-15 10:59 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-15 15:10 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-15 20:16 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-15 16:49 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-15 17:03 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-15 20:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-16 17:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-16 18:12 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-19 07:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-19 08:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 18:12 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-20 13:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 20:42 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-20 16:49 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 22:24 +0000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-20 18:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 02:18 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-21 20:09 +1000
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 12:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-21 09:21 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 15:28 +0000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-21 16:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 03:02 +0000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-22 09:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-22 22:15 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-22 18:44 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-15 15:26 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-15 20:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-15 20:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-15 23:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-16 04:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-16 09:08 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-15 21:20 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-16 06:57 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-17 09:24 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-17 15:53 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-18 08:39 +1000
                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-10 20:34 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-11 07:58 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-10 23:15 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.nett> - 2017-09-11 19:44 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-11 04:08 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.nett> - 2017-09-12 10:50 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-11 22:52 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-12 20:34 +1000
                                                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-12 03:54 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-13 09:45 +1000
                                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-12 21:59 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-14 08:37 +1000
                                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-13 22:55 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-11 04:08 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-11 04:38 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-11 13:56 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-11 06:13 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-11 17:28 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-11 09:35 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-11 21:25 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-11 22:53 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-12 20:37 +1000
                                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-10 20:43 +0200
                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-09-09 00:56 +0200
                                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-09 07:20 +1000
                                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-08 22:27 +0000
                                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-10 19:17 +1000
                                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-09-08 13:46 +0200
                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-08 12:02 +1000
                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-05 16:19 +0200
                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-06 09:21 +1000
                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-06 03:21 +0200
                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-06 19:31 +1000
                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 05:24 -0700
                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-06 15:12 +0200
                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-06 06:29 -0700
                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-09-07 00:57 +1000
                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 04:51 -0700
                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 13:27 -0500
              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 13:26 -0500
                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-02 08:51 +1000
            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-29 12:55 +0200
              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-29 17:52 +0200
                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-30 09:36 +1000
                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 02:09 +0200
                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-02 08:59 +1000
                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-02 02:00 +0200
                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-03 09:00 +1000
                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-03 18:07 +0200
                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-04 09:04 +1000
                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-04 03:05 +0200
              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-30 10:14 +1000
                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-29 22:21 -0400
                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-30 05:40 +0200
                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-30 20:26 +1000
                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-30 17:27 +0200
                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-31 09:57 +1000
                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 02:18 +0200
                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-02 09:05 +1000
                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-02 02:12 +0200
                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-03 09:18 +1000
                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-03 01:41 +0200
    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-28 04:58 -0700
      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:03 +0000
        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 01:05 -0700
          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 14:40 -0700
        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-02 09:07 +1000
    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-28 20:43 -0500
      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-29 19:58 +1000
        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-29 13:05 +0200
          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-30 10:16 +1000
            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-29 22:26 -0400
            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-30 05:43 +0200
              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-30 21:07 +1000
                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 09:40 -0700
                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-08-31 10:07 +1000
                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 22:02 -0700
                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-08-31 02:00 -0500
                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-08-31 06:53 -0700
                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 07:26 -0700
                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-08-31 14:59 -0700
                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 15:15 -0700
                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R. B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-01 01:51 -0700
                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 02:36 -0700
                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-01 04:20 -0700
                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 11:01 -0500
                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 22:21 +0200
                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 04:34 -0700
                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-02 09:11 +1000
                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 02:33 -0700
                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-02 04:57 -0700
                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 05:51 -0700
                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-03 09:29 +1000
                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 17:24 -0700
                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 01:24 -0700
                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-04 09:19 +1000
                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-04 09:18 +1000
                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 20:04 -0700
                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-04 00:47 -0500
                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-04 20:56 +1000
                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 06:10 -0700
                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 09:22 -0700
                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-05 10:16 +1000
                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 17:46 -0700
                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-05 20:07 +1000
                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 03:33 -0700
                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-03 08:13 -0500
                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-04 09:23 +1000
                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-03 18:13 -0700
                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-04 00:29 -0500
                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-04 20:59 +1000
                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 15:14 -0500
                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-04 05:59 -0700
                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-04 11:42 -0500
                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-04 10:33 -0700
                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ethel Ocallaghan <unlgclo@awlwaac.ag> - 2017-09-04 17:43 +0000
                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-04 20:45 +0000
                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ethel Ocallaghan <unlgclo@awlwaac.ag> - 2017-09-04 22:31 +0000
                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-04 14:54 -0500
                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-04 19:13 -0700
                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-05 20:07 +1000
                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-05 11:56 -0500
                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-05 15:14 -0500
                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 19:46 -0700
                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 00:41 -0500
                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:52 -0500
                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 15:53 -0500
                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 11:50 -0700
                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 16:07 -0500
                                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 16:56 -0500
                                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 19:27 -0500
                                                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-07 15:41 -0500
                                                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-07 17:44 -0500
                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 21:17 -0700
                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-08 16:49 +1000
                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-08 03:27 -0500
                                                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-08 08:04 -0700
                                                              Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-08 14:28 -0500
                                                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 08:12 -0500
                                                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-09 06:48 +1000
                                Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-05 11:40 -0500
                                  Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-06 10:26 +1000
                        Neutrinos (was: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-09-03 01:22 +0200
                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-22 11:37 -0700
                    Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 10:58 -0500
                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-08-31 21:56 +0200
                      Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-02 09:19 +1000
                        Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 02:42 +0000
                          Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 HGW <HW@home.net> - 2017-09-03 09:32 +1000
                            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:07 +0000
            Re: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887 JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 04:08 -0700

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#431510

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-07 15:41 -0500
Message-ID<oosath$uso$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431413
On 9/6/17 7:27 PM, Ned Latham wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Ned Latham wrote:
>>> JanPB wrote:
>>>> Ned Latham wrote:
>>>>> JanPB wrote:
>>>>>> Ned Latham wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom Roberts wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ned Latham wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Gawy Fuck Knuckle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> HGW wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody has directly measured the speed of a neutrino.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OPERA did
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And the result they got was FTL.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. Their PRELIMINARY result was slightly (but significantly)
>>>>>>>> faster than light.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. Their experimental result was FTL neutrinoes. They spent
>>>>>>> months trying to find a way to deny that, then they published,
>>>>>>> asking for help to find a way to deny it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They corrected that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yair, yair. "Corrected". Right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. There was an equipment problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard the story. A loose connection. This in a place where
>>>>> *everyone* is highly qualified and utterly obsessed with precision
>>>>> and procedural integrity.
>>>>
>>>> It happens. Life is not perfect.
>>>>
>>>>>> Things like this happen, you know.
>>>>>
>>>>> At CERN?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>>> And it took half a bloody year to find it?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. If such a thing had occurred, it would have been
>>> discoverable in the same day that the equipment inspection
>>> was ordered.
>>>
>>>>> That sort of incompetence would be considered unacceptable
>>>>> in an auto repair shop.
>>>>
>>>> No. The system is orders of magnitude more subtle.
>>>
>>> Irrelevant. The Technicians are more highly trained, more highly
>>> organised, and more numerous. The whole setip is designed to
>>> prevent such errors.
>>
>> Fascinating that you speak as though you were there and were
> 
> That's "are", moron.

You ARE there? Which laboratory ARE you at?

> 
>> familiar with the procedures.
> 
> Laboratories everywhere have much in common, moron. One of them
> is careful attention to detail. Another is the assignment of
> particular areas of responsibility to particular individuals.
> Another is the institution of failsafe procedures wherever
> possibke.
> 
> I'd be interested to see your link to a laboratory somewhere
> in respected of which it is reliably documented that "loose
> connections" occurred and took months to find.

Well, I think the point you were trying to make is that failsafe 
procedures and the assignment of individuals to check everything before 
operation would prevent bad outcomes.

Except that there was that quench that vaporized the connection between 
superconducting magnets in the LHC, nine days after it started 
operation, and shut the accelerator down for months. Similar things 
happened at the Fermilab Tevatron and the accelerator at Brookhaven.

You say these things cannot happen, and yet they do.

> 
>> Are you listed on the collaboration manifest?
> 
> Nope.
> 
>> No?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> Then out of what orifice are you speaking?
> 
> Try addressing the points made, moron. Your attempts at abuse
> are pathetic.

Points made from a position of abject ignorance and vociferous opinion 
are worth about as much as a pile of wood shavings.

> 
>>>>> And you accept that it's the *real* story at CERN?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, of course. What's with that veritable MANIA of seeking
>>>> totally absurd conspiracies where a simple explanation
>>>> involving human error suffices?
>>>
>>> What is it with that mania you dogmatising dimwits have of
>>> accusing critics of harbouring conspiracy theories when
>>> they're pointing up a perfectly ordinary case of self-deception?
>>>
>>> ----further insane accusations snipped----


-- 
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#431524

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2017-09-07 17:44 -0500
Message-ID<slrnor3iua.nc5.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#431510
Odd Bodkin wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > JanPB wrote:
> > > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've heard the story. A loose connection. This in a place where
> > > > > > *everyone* is highly qualified and utterly obsessed with precision
> > > > > > and procedural integrity.
> > > > >
> > > > > It happens. Life is not perfect.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Things like this happen, you know.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At CERN?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.
> > > > >
> > > > > > And it took half a bloody year to find it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > > Bullshit. If such a thing had occurred, it would have been
> > > > discoverable in the same day that the equipment inspection
> > > > was ordered.
> > > >
> > > > > > That sort of incompetence would be considered unacceptable
> > > > > > in an auto repair shop.
> > > > >
> > > > > No. The system is orders of magnitude more subtle.
> > > >
> > > > Irrelevant. The Technicians are more highly trained, more highly
> > > > organised, and more numerous. The whole setip is designed to
> > > > prevent such errors.
> > >
> > > Fascinating that you speak as though you were there and were
> > 
> > That's "are", moron.
>
> You ARE there? Which laboratory ARE you at?

Wrong again, morn. I was and *am* familiar with laboratory procedures.

> > > familiar with the procedures.
> > 
> > Laboratories everywhere have much in common, moron. One of them
> > is careful attention to detail. Another is the assignment of
> > particular areas of responsibility to particular individuals.
> > Another is the institution of failsafe procedures wherever
> > possibke.
> > 
> > I'd be interested to see your link to a laboratory somewhere
> > in respected of which it is reliably documented that "loose
> > connections" occurred and took months to find.
>
> Well, I think

No, you don't. You opine, and poorly.

> the point you were trying to make is that failsafe procedures
> and the assignment of individuals to check everything before 
> operation would prevent bad outcomes.

Wrong again. moron. Failsafe procedures do that; individual
assignments don't *prevent* bad outcomes: the reduce the
probability of bad outcomes.

But they also improve trouble-shooting.

> Except that there was that quench that vaporized the connection
> between  superconducting magnets in the LHC, nine days after it
> started  operation, and shut the accelerator down for months.

Wasn't failsafe then, was it.

> Similar things happened at the Fermilab Tevatron and the
> accelerator at Brookhaven.

More failprone provedures.

> You say these things cannot happen,

Wrong again, liar. Stuff your straw man up your arse.

> and yet they do.

The truth of what we have here is your idiot acceptance that large
numbers of people with high levels of excpertise in what they do,
all of the assigned to particular areas of responsibility, with
everything in the whole installation checked and double-checked
both before and after every use, can operate the installation
with a "loose connection" and then be unable to find that "loose
connection" for nigh of a year.

You're a gullible fool. And so too are they at CERN who believe it.

> > > Are you listed on the collaboration manifest?
> > 
> > Nope.
> > 
> > > No?
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > > Then out of what orifice are you speaking?
> > 
> > Try addressing the points made, moron. Your attempts at abuse
> > are pathetic.
>
> Points made from a position of abject ignorance and vociferous
> opinion  are worth about as much as a pile of wood shavings.

If that were your honest opinion, you'd surely not be so obsessed
with attacking my "vociferous" opinion.

And you certainly wouldn't need to be abusive, or pretend that
you're dealing with ignorance.

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#431546

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2017-09-07 21:17 -0700
Message-ID<08e4cb4a-b694-4854-b357-c71ffec502e6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#431524
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 4:44:34 PM UTC-6, Ned Latham wrote:
>
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >
> > You ARE there? Which laboratory ARE you at?
> 
> Wrong again, morn.

You're a very poor speller, fool.

> I was and *am* familiar with laboratory procedures.

Highly unlikely, unless it was as a lab rat.

> > Well, I think
> 
> No, you don't. You opine, and poorly.

That's just YOUR opinion, and a very poor one at that.

“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust,
sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
 -- Douglas Adams

The only justification for yours is that you are a dishonest weasel.
 
> > the point you were trying to make is that failsafe procedures
> > and the assignment of individuals to check everything before 
> > operation would prevent bad outcomes.
> 
> Wrong again. moron.

So you've learned to spell.  What progress!  But you're still a lying maggot.

> Failsafe procedures do that;

Yeah, like the backup generators at Fukushima :-))

> individual assignments don't *prevent* bad outcomes: the reduce the
> probability of bad outcomes.

Obviously, since you were born anyway.

> > Except that there was that quench that vaporized the connection
> > between  superconducting magnets in the LHC, nine days after it
> > started  operation, and shut the accelerator down for months.
> 
> Wasn't failsafe then, was it.

Nothing really is.  Calling a procedure failsafe is no guarantee.  Anyone
who believes that failsafe really means FAIL SAFE has a significant mental
problem.  Do you rock back and forth a lot?  

> > Similar things happened at the Fermilab Tevatron and the
> > accelerator at Brookhaven.
> 
> More failprone provedures.

Yeah, like you being born.

> > You say these things cannot happen,
> 
> Wrong again, liar. Stuff your straw man up your arse.

“There’s only one person you’re guaranteed to spend the rest of your
Life with … yourself.  Don’t live the rest of your life with an asshole.”
– QuoteGate

> > and yet they do.
> 
> The truth of what we have here is your idiot acceptance that large
> numbers of people with high levels of excpertise in what they do,
> all of the assigned to particular areas of responsibility, with
> everything in the whole installation checked and double-checked
> both before and after every use, can operate the installation
> with a "loose connection" and then be unable to find that "loose
> connection" for nigh of a year.
> 
> You're a gullible fool.

Talking about yourself again.

“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the 
easiest person to fool.” -- Richard P. Feynman

> > Points made from a position of abject ignorance and vociferous
> > opinion  are worth about as much as a pile of wood shavings.
> 
> If that were your honest opinion, you'd surely not be so obsessed
> with attacking my "vociferous" opinion.

“Some people should use a glue stick instead of chapstick.”
-- Anonymous

> And you certainly wouldn't need to be abusive, or pretend that
> you're dealing with ignorance.

What goes around comes around, asshole.

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#431561

FromHGW <HW@home.net>
Date2017-09-08 16:49 +1000
Message-ID<ootehu$ek1$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431546
On 08/09/17 14:17, Gary Harnagel wrote:
> On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 4:44:34 PM UTC-6, Ned Latham wrote:

>> You're a gullible fool.
> 
> Talking about yourself again.
> 
> “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the
> easiest person to fool.” -- Richard P. Feynman
> 
>>> Points made from a position of abject ignorance and vociferous
>>> opinion  are worth about as much as a pile of wood shavings.
>>
>> If that were your honest opinion, you'd surely not be so obsessed
>> with attacking my "vociferous" opinion.
> 
> “Some people should use a glue stick instead of chapstick.”
> -- Anonymous
> 
>> And you certainly wouldn't need to be abusive, or pretend that
>> you're dealing with ignorance.
> 
> What goes around comes around, asshole.

Hey widdle gary, don't forget your little god thing records everything you do and think. It must already know what a 
nasty little creep you are and is very unlikely to let you into its pedophile heaven unless you give its agents a lot 
more money.



-- 

    HGW, DSc.

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#431566

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2017-09-08 03:27 -0500
Message-ID<slrnor4l32.65l.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#431546
Gawy Fuck Knuckle wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > >
> > > You ARE there? Which laboratory ARE you at?
> >
> > Wrong again, morn.
>
> You're a very poor speller, fool.

Sneering at typoes, now Gawy? How desperate can you get?

> > I was and *am* familiar with laboratory procedures.
>
> Highly unlikely, unless it was as a lab rat.

I gave you some information about large-laboratory organisation,
Gawy. Do feel free to point up any part of it that you think might
need correction.

> > > Well, I think
> >
> > No, you don't. You opine, and poorly.
>
> That's just YOUR opinion, and a very poor one at that.

Larf. Is the copycat rtoutine the best you can do?

> "All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust,
> sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."
>  -- Douglas Adams

And then there are the opinions of the lackwit Gawy Fuck Knuckle,
who judges others by himself.

> The only justification for yours is that you are a dishonest weasel.

More copycatting. You're pathetic, Gawy.

> > > the point you were trying to make is that failsafe procedures
> > > and the assignment of individuals to check everything before
> > > operation would prevent bad outcomes.
> >
> > Wrong again. moron.
>
> So you've learned to spell.

Unlike retarded you, Gawy, I never stop learning. Did you know that
there's a number after three?

> What progress!

Makes yer jealous, ay Gawy? ESAD, loser.

> But you're still a lying maggot.

Still more copycatting. Have you *ever* had an original thought?

> > Failsafe procedures do that;
>
> Yeah, like the backup generators at Fukushima :-))

Not failsafe, moron.

> > individual assignments don't *prevent* bad outcomes: they reduce the
> > probability of bad outcomes.
>
> Obviously, since you were born anyway.

That was *very* bad for lying maggots such as you, Gawy. I despise
lying maggots. Which is, of course, why I bother to respond to your
drivel at all.

> > > Except that there was that quench that vaporized the connection
> > > between superconducting magnets in the LHC, nine days after it
> > > started  operation, and shut the accelerator down for months.
> >
> > Wasn't failsafe then, was it.
>
> Nothing really is.

Yair, yair, And the tree in the forest didn't fall.

Get real, Gawy. When you think a closed system situation through,
you can anticipate *any* problem that can occur (well, okay: *you*
can't, but anyone with more than half a brain can). That thinking
wasn't done wrt the LHC.

> Calling a procedure failsafe is no guarantee. Anyone
> who believes that failsafe really means FAIL SAFE has
> a significant mental problem.

You're not significant, Gawy.

> Do you rock back and forth a lot?

As I've said before, Gawy, you shouldn't judge others by yourself.

> > > Similar things happened at the Fermilab Tevatron and the
> > > accelerator at Brookhaven.
> >
> > More failprone procedures.
>
> Yeah, like you being born.

That was a *process*, moron, not a procedure. And just in case you
decide to judge me by yourself again, I'll provide you with a little
more info: it was a *successful* process.

> > > You say these things cannot happen,
> >
> > Wrong again, liar. Stuff your straw man up your arse.
>
> "There's only one person you're guaranteed to spend the rest of
> your Life with - yourself.  Don't live the rest of your life
> with an asshole."
> - QuoteGate

You're sruck with that, Gawy, The only way out is to set fire to
yourself.

> > > and yet they do.
> >
> > The truth of what we have here is your idiot acceptance that large
> > numbers of people with high levels of excpertise in what they do,
> > all of the assigned to particular areas of responsibility, with
> > everything in the whole installation checked and double-checked
> > both before and after every use, can operate the installation
> > with a "loose connection" and then be unable to find that "loose
> > connection" for nigh on a year.
> >
> > You're a gullible fool.
>
> Talking about yourself again.

No wonder you don't learn, Gawy. You have little to no comprehension.

> "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you
> are the  easiest person to fool." -- Richard P. Feynman

Well, Richard certainly had you pegged, ay.

> > > Points made from a position of abject ignorance and vociferous
> > > opinion  are worth about as much as a pile of wood shavings.
> >
> > If that were your honest opinion, you'd surely not be so obsessed
> > with attacking my "vociferous" opinion.
>
> "Some people should use a glue stick instead of chapstick."
> -- Anonymous

Or you couls eat a tube of supoerflue.

> > And you certainly wouldn't need to be abusive, or pretend that
> > you're dealing with ignorance.
>
> What goes around comes around, asshole.

You started it, you lying maggot. And it's you that continues it.
As in this post: you have relied exclusively on abuse: Not a single
one of your "responses" addresses any of the issuyes raised. Instead
of sooking about veing beaten at your own game, try addressing an
issue once in a while.

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#431608

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2017-09-08 08:04 -0700
Message-ID<2f573c54-5085-48f3-8738-8a192a9d87a5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#431566
On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 2:27:21 AM UTC-6, Ned Latham wrote:
>
> Sneering at typoes, now Gawy? How desperate can you get?

Just repeating what you YOURSELF has done, demented fool.

> > > I was and *am* familiar with laboratory procedures.
> >
> > Highly unlikely, unless it was as a lab rat.
> 
> I gave you some information about large-laboratory organisation,
> Gawy. Do feel free to point up any part of it that you think might
> need correction.

Since you have proven yourself to be a liar, why would ANYONE accept your
"information"?

> Larf. Is the copycat rtoutine the best you can do?

Fat fingers, dishonest fool?

> > "All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust,
> > sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."
> >  -- Douglas Adams
> 
> And then there are the opinions of the lackwit Gawy Fuck Knuckle,
> who judges others by himself.

That's your problem.  You believe everyone is as stupid and dishonest as you
are.

> More copycatting. You're pathetic, Gawy.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?  You obviously need more repetition of reality
to overcome your delusions.

> Unlike retarded you, Gawy, I never stop learning. Did you know that
> there's a number after three?

The question is, What are you learning?  You obviously haven't learned
anything about reality, nor about being a rational person.

> > What progress!
> 
> Makes yer jealous, ay Gawy? ESAD, loser.

Projecting again, nitwit Ned.

> > But you're still a lying maggot.
> 
> Still more copycatting. Have you *ever* had an original thought?

So you believe having thoughts that are obviously wrong is meaningful?

Your manuscript is both good and original; but the part that is good is
not original, and the part that is original is not good. -- Samuel Johnson

> > Yeah, like the backup generators at Fukushima :-))
> 
> Not failsafe, moron.

And NOTHING is.  Other than the guarantee that you will never learn to
understand reality.

> > > individual assignments don't *prevent* bad outcomes: they reduce the
> > > probability of bad outcomes.
> >
> > Obviously, since you were born anyway.
> 
> That was *very* bad for lying maggots such as you, Gawy. I despise
> lying maggots.

Then you despise yourself.  So sad.

> Which is, of course, why I bother to respond to your
> drivel at all.

You must spend a lot of time talking to yourself, too :-)

> > > Wasn't failsafe then, was it.
> >
> > Nothing really is.
> 
> Yair, yair, And the tree in the forest didn't fall.

I guess you like to spout drivel.

> Get real, Gawy. When you think a closed system situation through,
> you can anticipate *any* problem that can occur (well, okay: *you*
> can't, but anyone with more than half a brain can). That thinking
> wasn't done wrt the LHC.

So you are saying that YOU could have prevented the OPERA error, the
Fukushima disaster, hurricane Harvey.  So why are you wasting your time
here when you could be preventing Ida?

“Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your
mouth” – 1 Samuel 2:3

“A fool is someone whose arrogance is only surpassed by his ignorance.” 
― Orrin Woodward

You have a LONG way to go before you can deal with reality.

> > Calling a procedure failsafe is no guarantee. Anyone
> > who believes that failsafe really means FAIL SAFE has
> > a significant mental problem.
> 
> You're not significant, Gawy.

I never said I was, straw man.  But anyone can see that you DO have mental
problems.

> > Do you rock back and forth a lot?
> 
> As I've said before, Gawy, you shouldn't judge others by yourself.

Just asking, autistic one.

> > > More failprone procedures.
> >
> > Yeah, like you being born.
> 
> That was a *process*, moron, not a procedure.

The procedure was supposed to have prevented the process, baloney-breath.

> [Delusional dishonest bull plop deleted]
 
> > > > You say these things cannot happen,
> > >
> > > Wrong again, liar. Stuff your straw man up your arse.
> >
> > "There's only one person you're guaranteed to spend the rest of
> > your Life with - yourself.  Don't live the rest of your life
> > with an asshole."
> > - QuoteGate
> 
> You're sruck with that, Gawy, The only way out is to set fire to
> yourself.

I'm not the one acting like an asshole, delusional asshole.

> > > You're a gullible fool.
> >
> > Talking about yourself again.
> 
> No wonder you don't learn, Gawy. You have little to no comprehension.

Projecting again, dullard.

> > "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you
> > are the  easiest person to fool." -- Richard P. Feynman
> 
> Well, Richard certainly had you pegged, ay.

He had everyone pegged, but you more than me.

> > > > Points made from a position of abject ignorance and vociferous
> > > > opinion  are worth about as much as a pile of wood shavings.
> > >
> > > If that were your honest opinion, you'd surely not be so obsessed
> > > with attacking my "vociferous" opinion.
> >
> > "Some people should use a glue stick instead of chapstick."
> > -- Anonymous
> 
> Or you couls eat a tube of supoerflue.

After you.

> > > And you certainly wouldn't need to be abusive, or pretend that
> > > you're dealing with ignorance.
> >
> > What goes around comes around, asshole.
> 
> You started it, you lying maggot.

No, I didn't.  So you have Alzheimer's, too, besides being autistic.

> And it's you that continues it.
> As in this post: you have relied exclusively on abuse: Not a single
> one of your "responses" addresses any of the issuyes raised.

The only "issue" YOU raised was "everyone's an idiot except yourself."
You are such a conceited ass that you have no clue.

> Instead of sooking about veing beaten at your own game, try addressing an
> issue once in a while.

Okay, the issue is that you have proven yourself to be a lying, abusive asshole.
If liars' pants really did catch on fire, you would have been immolated the
first time you posted to this group.

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#431624

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2017-09-08 14:28 -0500
Message-ID<slrnor5rr2.omj.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#431608
Gawy Fuck Knuckle wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > >
> > > You ARE there? Which laboratory ARE you at?
> >
> > Wrong again, morn.
>
> You're a very poor speller, fool.

Sneering at typoes, now Gawy? How desperate can you get?

> > I was and *am* familiar with laboratory procedures.
>
> Highly unlikely, unless it was as a lab rat.

I gave you some information about large-laboratory organisation,
Gawy. Do feel free to point up any part of it that you think might
need correction.

> > > Well, I think
> >
> > No, you don't. You opine, and poorly.
>
> That's just YOUR opinion, and a very poor one at that.

Larf. Is the copycat routine the best you can do?

> "All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust,
> sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others."
>  -- Douglas Adams

And then there are the opinions of the lackwit Gawy Fuck Knuckle,
who judges others by himself.

> The only justification for yours is that you are a dishonest weasel.

More copycatting. You're pathetic, Gawy.

> > > the point you were trying to make is that failsafe procedures
> > > and the assignment of individuals to check everything before
> > > operation would prevent bad outcomes.
> >
> > Wrong again. moron.
>
> So you've learned to spell.

Unlike retarded you, Gawy, I never stop learning. Did you know that
there's a number after three?

> What progress!

Makes yer jealous, ay Gawy? ESAD, loser.

> But you're still a lying maggot.

Still more copycatting. Have you *ever* had an original thought?

> > Failsafe procedures do that;
>
> Yeah, like the backup generators at Fukushima :-))

Not failsafe, moron.

> > individual assignments don't *prevent* bad outcomes: they reduce the
> > probability of bad outcomes.
>
> Obviously, since you were born anyway.

That was *very* bad for lying maggots such as you, Gawy. I despise
lying maggots. Which is, of course, why I bother to respond to your
drivel at all.

> > > Except that there was that quench that vaporized the connection
> > > between superconducting magnets in the LHC, nine days after it
> > > started  operation, and shut the accelerator down for months.
> >
> > Wasn't failsafe then, was it.
>
> Nothing really is.

Yair, yair, And the tree in the forest didn't fall.

Get real, Gawy. When you think a closed system situation through,
you can anticipate *any* problem that can occur (well, okay: *you*
can't, but anyone with more than half a brain can). That thinking
wasn't done wrt the LHC.

> Calling a procedure failsafe is no guarantee. Anyone
> who believes that failsafe really means FAIL SAFE has
> a significant mental problem.

You're not significant, Gawy.

> Do you rock back and forth a lot?

As I've said before, Gawy, you shouldn't judge others by yourself.

> > > Similar things happened at the Fermilab Tevatron and the
> > > accelerator at Brookhaven.
> >
> > More failprone procedures.
>
> Yeah, like you being born.

That was a *process*, moron, not a procedure. And just in case you
decide to judge me by yourself again, I'll provide you with a little
more info: it was a *successful* process.

> > > You say these things cannot happen,
> >
> > Wrong again, liar. Stuff your straw man up your arse.
>
> "There's only one person you're guaranteed to spend the rest of
> your Life with - yourself.  Don't live the rest of your life
> with an asshole."
> - QuoteGate

You're stuck with that, Gawy, The only way out is to set fire to
yourself.

> > > and yet they do.
> >
> > The truth of what we have here is your idiot acceptance that large
> > numbers of people with high levels of excpertise in what they do,
> > all of the assigned to particular areas of responsibility, with
> > everything in the whole installation checked and double-checked
> > both before and after every use, can operate the installation
> > with a "loose connection" and then be unable to find that "loose
> > connection" for nigh on a year.
> >
> > You're a gullible fool.
>
> Talking about yourself again.

No wonder you don't learn, Gawy. You have little to no comprehension.

> "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you
> are the  easiest person to fool." -- Richard P. Feynman

Well, Richard certainly had you pegged, ay.

> > > Points made from a position of abject ignorance and vociferous
> > > opinion  are worth about as much as a pile of wood shavings.
> >
> > If that were your honest opinion, you'd surely not be so obsessed
> > with attacking my "vociferous" opinion.
>
> "Some people should use a glue stick instead of chapstick."
> -- Anonymous

Or you could eat a tube of superglue.

> > And you certainly wouldn't need to be abusive, or pretend that
> > you're dealing with ignorance.
>
> What goes around comes around, asshole.

You started it, you lying maggot. And it's you that continues it.
As in this post: you have relied almost exclusively on abuse: only
one of your "responses" addresses any of the issues raised. Instead
of sooking about being beaten at your own game, try addressing an
issue once in a while.

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#431593

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-08 08:12 -0500
Message-ID<oou501$1qp7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431524
On 9/7/17 5:44 PM, Ned Latham wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Ned Latham wrote:
>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Ned Latham wrote:
>>>>> JanPB wrote:
>>>>>> Ned Latham wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've heard the story. A loose connection. This in a place where
>>>>>>> *everyone* is highly qualified and utterly obsessed with precision
>>>>>>> and procedural integrity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It happens. Life is not perfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things like this happen, you know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At CERN?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it took half a bloody year to find it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. If such a thing had occurred, it would have been
>>>>> discoverable in the same day that the equipment inspection
>>>>> was ordered.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That sort of incompetence would be considered unacceptable
>>>>>>> in an auto repair shop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. The system is orders of magnitude more subtle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant. The Technicians are more highly trained, more highly
>>>>> organised, and more numerous. The whole setip is designed to
>>>>> prevent such errors.
>>>>
>>>> Fascinating that you speak as though you were there and were
>>>
>>> That's "are", moron.
>>
>> You ARE there? Which laboratory ARE you at?
> 
> Wrong again, morn. I was and *am* familiar with laboratory procedures.

Well, perhaps you're familiar with idealized lab procedures as you 
imagine they are implemented. The question is whether you were there in 
this particular setting and witnessed that your desired lab procedures 
were actually implemented. And you've acknowledged that you were not.

> 
>>>> familiar with the procedures.
>>>
>>> Laboratories everywhere have much in common, moron. One of them
>>> is careful attention to detail. Another is the assignment of
>>> particular areas of responsibility to particular individuals.
>>> Another is the institution of failsafe procedures wherever
>>> possibke.
>>>
>>> I'd be interested to see your link to a laboratory somewhere
>>> in respected of which it is reliably documented that "loose
>>> connections" occurred and took months to find.
>>
>> Well, I think
> 
> No, you don't. You opine, and poorly.
> 
>> the point you were trying to make is that failsafe procedures
>> and the assignment of individuals to check everything before
>> operation would prevent bad outcomes.
> 
> Wrong again. moron. Failsafe procedures do that; individual
> assignments don't *prevent* bad outcomes: the reduce the
> probability of bad outcomes.
> 
> But they also improve trouble-shooting.
> 
>> Except that there was that quench that vaporized the connection
>> between  superconducting magnets in the LHC, nine days after it
>> started  operation, and shut the accelerator down for months.
> 
> Wasn't failsafe then, was it.

Nope, and neither was OPERA. Nor are most experiments, because they are 
built with a reasonable amount of monitoring but not to failsafe 
criteria, nor are they built with redundancies or failover mechanisms 
except where there is risk to human life. That's because operational 
continuity is not a critical concern in an experiment. If a part fails 
in an experiment and the failure is detected, then you stop the 
experiment, pull out the defective equipment, and resume the experiment. 
If a part fails in an experiment and the failure is not detected at the 
time, then the failure is remedied and the experiment is repeated.

Your loud-mouthed bluster is a very thin veneer over your obvious 
ignorance of the way experimental physics is actually performed. You 
fool no one.

> 
>> Similar things happened at the Fermilab Tevatron and the
>> accelerator at Brookhaven.
> 
> More failprone provedures.
> 
>> You say these things cannot happen,
> 
> Wrong again, liar. Stuff your straw man up your arse.
> 
>> and yet they do.
> 
> The truth of what we have here is your idiot acceptance that large
> numbers of people with high levels of excpertise in what they do,
> all of the assigned to particular areas of responsibility, with
> everything in the whole installation checked and double-checked
> both before and after every use, can operate the installation
> with a "loose connection" and then be unable to find that "loose
> connection" for nigh of a year.
> 
> You're a gullible fool. And so too are they at CERN who believe it.
> 
>>>> Are you listed on the collaboration manifest?
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> No?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> Then out of what orifice are you speaking?
>>>
>>> Try addressing the points made, moron. Your attempts at abuse
>>> are pathetic.
>>
>> Points made from a position of abject ignorance and vociferous
>> opinion  are worth about as much as a pile of wood shavings.
> 
> If that were your honest opinion, you'd surely not be so obsessed
> with attacking my "vociferous" opinion.
> 
> And you certainly wouldn't need to be abusive, or pretend that
> you're dealing with ignorance.

You make the same mistake that lots of cranks here make. You tell 
yourself that if what you were saying were ignorant and flat-out wrong, 
then you would be summarily ignored. And since you are not being 
ignored, then your conclusion is that you must be onto something.

What you do not recognize is that clowns draw attention. People gather 
around clowns, they point at the clowns, they clap and make noise and 
jeer at the clowns. When a clown drops his pants, whether he meant to do 
that or not, you will not find people ignoring that event and giving 
nothing but silence.

You, Ned, are a clown. A rather funny one. Whether you intend that to be 
your impression or not.

This is compounded by a compulsion to double-down on every statement you 
make, even if it is dodgy and you know it. If someone confronts you on a 
stupid remark you make, then the only reaction you know is to confront 
back with equal or greater force. Which only makes you look more the idiot.

Word to the wise.


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#431629

FromHGW <HW@home.net>
Date2017-09-09 06:48 +1000
Message-ID<oouvnf$1bfa$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431593
On 08/09/17 23:12, Odd Bodkin wrote:

> You make the same mistake that lots of cranks here make. You tell yourself that if what you were saying were ignorant
>  and flat-out wrong, then you would be summarily ignored. And since you are not being ignored, then your conclusion
> is that you must be onto something.
> 
> What you do not recognize is that clowns draw attention. People gather around clowns, they point at the clowns, they
>  clap and make noise and jeer at the clowns. When a clown drops his pants, whether he meant to do that or not, you
> will not find people ignoring that event and giving nothing but silence.
> 
> You, Ned, are a clown. A rather funny one. Whether you intend that to be your impression or not.
> 
> This is compounded by a compulsion to double-down on every statement you make, even if it is dodgy and you know it.
> If someone confronts you on a stupid remark you make, then the only reaction you know is to confront back with equal
> or greater force. Which only makes you look more the idiot.
> 
> Word to the wise.

Bodkin, it is apparent that the stigma of being a mere wood worker has turned you into a compulsive reader of science 
fiction...and that is where you learned all your physics.
Which author would you rate as being the second greatest of all time?


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    HGW, DSc.

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#431215

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2017-09-05 11:40 -0500
Message-ID<14KdnTgfILXiTjPEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#430983
On 9/3/17 6:23 PM, HGW wrote:
> On 03/09/17 23:13, Tom Roberts wrote:
>> On 9/2/17 9/2/17   6:57 AM, R.B. wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 2 September 2017 10:33:36 UTC+1, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog  
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> [about the MINOS beam from Fermilab to Minnesota]
>>>> The charged pions and kaons clearly exist and their path through the decay
>>>> tunnel can clearly be tracked.
>>> As Henry points out one can only assume they travel at close to c. 
>>
>> That is Henry's NONSENSE and IGNORANCE. It is wrong.
>>
>> The MINOS decay pipe has particle detectors at the end of the decay pipe that 
>> UNEQUIVOCALLY show that the charged particles from the target travel with 
>> speed c to within a few parts per million. From measurements in other 
>> experiments we KNOW that these charged particles at the target are primarily 
>> pions and kaons, and at the end of the decay pipe many of them are replaced by 
>> the muons that result from their decay. There are also copious neutrinos, but 
>> they are not charged and these detectors don't see them; after dozens of 
>> meters of rock there are neutrino detectors to monitor the beam; of course 
>> there are also the distant neutrino detectors in Minnesota.
>>
>> Don't believe anything Henry says. It is always a poor plan to attempt to 
>> argue from ignorance.
> 
> How do they know they are detecting the same neutrino?

You REALLY need to learn how to read -- look up there where I explained that 
they are NOT MEASURING NEUTRINOS.

> Nobody has directly measured the speed of a neutrino.

Only in your fantasy world. In the real world, OPERA, MINOS, and SUPER-K have 
all measured the neutrino speed, and they all come up with a value of c (within 
their resolutions of a few parts per million). BTW these values are all measured 
relative to the ECI coordinates of the GPS.

> In the pion frame the neutrinos fly off in all directions and have an average 
> speed of zero...so in the lab frame their average speed is that of the pions, ~c.

This is just plain wrong. In part because you confuse speed with velocity, and 
in part because the average DOES NOT MATTER.

For EVERY charged-pion decay, in the pion frame the neutrino has 29.8 MeV 
kinetic energy, and their directions are isotropically distributed (pion has 
spin zero). So in the pion frame, on average the neutrino VELOCITY is zero but 
their average SPEED is greater than 0.99998 c [#].

	[#] The current upper bound on nu_mu mass is 0.19 MeV, so
	the lower bound on the neutrino speed in the pion frame is
	0.99998 c (i.e. gamma(v) = 29.8/0.19).

Ballistic theory would predict the neutrino speeds in the lab should vary from 
about zero to about 2 c. Actual measurements show them to travel at c within a 
few parts per million. "c+v" simply does not apply.

As I say: don't believe anything HGW says. It is always a poor plan to attempt 
to argue from ignorance, and that's all he ever does. It is remarkable how he 
keeps himself so obstinately ignorant.

Tom Roberts

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#431268

FromHGW <HW@home.net>
Date2017-09-06 10:26 +1000
Message-ID<oonfbe$iqb$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#431215
On 06/09/17 02:40, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 9/3/17 6:23 PM, HGW wrote:

>>> Don't believe anything Henry says. It is always a poor plan to attempt to argue from ignorance.
>> 
>> How do they know they are detecting the same neutrino?
> 
> You REALLY need to learn how to read -- look up there where I explained that they are NOT MEASURING NEUTRINOS.
> 
>> Nobody has directly measured the speed of a neutrino.
> 
> Only in your fantasy world. In the real world, OPERA, MINOS, and SUPER-K have all measured the neutrino speed, and
> they all come up with a value of c (within their resolutions of a few parts per million). BTW these values are all
> measured relative to the ECI coordinates of the GPS.

Really and truly, Tom?
Gawd! That's wonderful!

>> In the pion frame the neutrinos fly off in all directions and have an average speed of zero...so in the lab frame 
>> their average speed is that of the pions, ~c.
> 
> This is just plain wrong. In part because you confuse speed with velocity, and in part because the average DOES NOT
> MATTER.
> 
> For EVERY charged-pion decay, in the pion frame the neutrino has 29.8 MeV kinetic energy, and their directions are 
> isotropically distributed (pion has spin zero). So in the pion frame, on average the neutrino VELOCITY is zero but
> their average SPEED is greater than 0.99998 c [#].
> 
> [#] The current upper bound on nu_mu mass is 0.19 MeV, so the lower bound on the neutrino speed in the pion frame is 
> 0.99998 c (i.e. gamma(v) = 29.8/0.19).
> 
> Ballistic theory would predict the neutrino speeds in the lab should vary from about zero to about 2 c. Actual 
> measurements show them to travel at c within a few parts per million. "c+v" simply does not apply.

I assume you are referring to the same types measurements that your Prokaryotic friend did. ...where the method ASSUMED
the neutrinos all traveled at about the same speed.
In other words, speeds >c were eliminated as spurious.

> As I say: don't believe anything HGW says. It is always a poor plan to attempt to argue from ignorance, and that's
> all he ever does. It is remarkable how he keeps himself so obstinately ignorant.

Here are some details of MINOS
"
Every two seconds, the accelerator directs a burst of protons on the graphite
target. The burst of protons lasts about 10 microseconds, and is grouped into
six batches, each about 1.6 microseconds long, separated by 100 nanosecond gaps.
Each 1.6 microsecond batch consists of 81 bunches, each bunch having a full
width of about 3.5 nanoseconds and separated from the other bunches by
18.83 nanoseconds.

Despite there being trillions of protons in each burst, only occasionally will
a single muon neutrino be received at the far detector. Out of two months of
operation with 0.8x10^20 protons on target, only 372 neutrino events were
recorded at the far detector
------
Even if you reject the analysis that narrows down the time-of-flight time to
a few nanoseconds, we STILL have all of the neutrinos arriving within a 10 μsec
time period at the far detector, for neutrino speed of 1.000 ± 0.004 c.
"
At a rate of 372 arrivals every two months, there wouldn't be many arriving over 10 us, surely.   :)

Naturally their speeds would be determined as being near c when arrivals outside that range were ignored as spurious.

> Tom Roberts


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#430863 — Neutrinos (was: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887)

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2017-09-03 01:22 +0200
SubjectNeutrinos (was: Constancy of the Speed of Light: Disproved in 1887)
Message-ID<2346959.7s5MMGUR32@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#430767
HGW wrote:

> On 31/08/17 15:02, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
>> The measured speed of the neutrinos reaching the detectors was c
>> to within approximately one part in 10^6.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Looks like they move at c relative to their source..... […]

You *really* need to learn to *read*.  That is _not_ what they said.

In fact, as neutrino oscillation shows that neutrinos actually have non-zero 
mass, they must move at a speed less than the speed of light.  But the mass 
of the lightest mass eigenstate must be so small (PDG lists less than 
2 eV∕c² ≈ 3.5653238×10⁻³⁶ kg, or about 4 millionth of the mass of the 
electron, for the neutrino mass [1]) that there cannot much of a difference 
between the neutrino speed and the speed of light.  Which is corroborated by 
the results of that experiment.

[1] <http://pdg.lbl.gov/2017/listings/rpp2017-list-neutrino-prop.pdf>

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Twitter: @PointedEars2
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#433367

FromRichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com>
Date2017-09-22 11:37 -0700
Message-ID<5a6eaca6-c514-48e5-bcec-e1fe54c6534e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#430524
On August 30, 2017, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> After OPERA reported possible superluminal neutrinos in 2011, 
> researchers were eager to check out this possible Nobel-prize winning 
> result. 
> 
> Neutrinos are produced by 120 GeV protons striking a graphite target. 
> The immediate result is a shower of positively charged pions and kaons 
> traveling at nearly the speed of light, which are focused by pulsed 
> magnetic horns and allowed to spontaneously decay into a 
> muon-neutrino dominated beam with a peak in the event energy spectrum 
> of about 3 GeV.
> The neutrino pulses travel 735 km to the MINOS detectors, 
> The neutrinos are produced during the SPONTANEOUS DECAY IN FLIGHT of 
> pions and kaons, which have half lives on the order of 10^-8 seconds, 
> depending on the species of particle. In other words, the neutrinos 
> are not emitted by "stopped" particles.
> The measured speed of the neutrinos reaching the detectors was c 
> to within one part in 10^6.

The point of such a moving source experiment, is to observe the 
velocity of light emitted; is it always c?  

Neutrinos aren't photons, they don't travel at speed c, hence such an experiment doesn't constitute a test of relativity.

So I don't see what your point is here.


--
Rich

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#430555

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-31 10:58 -0500
Message-ID<oo9bn4$d9t$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#430519
On 8/30/17 7:07 PM, HGW wrote:
> That fact eliminates about 99% of experiments that purport to refute BaTh.

That's a ridiculous statement.
For example, the MMX is completely consistent with a ballistic theory of 
light and is ACKNOWLEDGED to be so. It isn't an experiment that purports 
to refute ballistic theories, though it is ALSO in support of 
relativity. A given experiment can be consistent with more than one theory.

Nevertheless, ballistic theories are ruled out because of a small number 
of experiments designed SPECIFICALLY to distinguish the predictions of 
ballistic theories vs other theories. And those experiments rule out 
ballistic theory.

-- 
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#430590

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2017-08-31 21:56 +0200
Message-ID<4405211.0VBMTVartN@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#430555
Odd Bodkin wrote:

> On 8/30/17 7:07 PM, HGW wrote:
>> That fact eliminates about 99% of experiments that purport to refute
>> BaTh.
> 
> That's a ridiculous statement.
> For example, the MMX is completely consistent with a ballistic theory of
> light […]

That depends on what is meant by that.  The term “ballistic theory of light” 
appears to be the result of an /ad hoc/ definition.

For example,

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light#Historical_theories_about_light.2C_in_chronological_order>

does not even mention the term “ballistic” other than in the link “ballistic 
photon”.

Perhaps “_particle_ theory” or “_corpuscular_ theory” was meant instead?

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#430768

FromHGW <HW@home.net>
Date2017-09-02 09:19 +1000
Message-ID<oocptt$1esc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#430555
On 01/09/17 01:58, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/30/17 7:07 PM, HGW wrote:
>> That fact eliminates about 99% of experiments that purport to refute BaTh.
> 
> That's a ridiculous statement.
> For example, the MMX is completely consistent with a ballistic theory of light and is ACKNOWLEDGED to be so. It isn't an 
> experiment that purports to refute ballistic theories, though it is ALSO in support of relativity. A given experiment 
> can be consistent with more than one theory.

Bodkin, most of the experiments that are claimed to refute BaTh are those using fast moving mirrors along with 
interferometric techniques. If the fools understood BaTh they would have realised beforehand that their experiments were 
doomed to produce a null result.

> Nevertheless, ballistic theories are ruled out because of a small number of experiments designed SPECIFICALLY to 
> distinguish the predictions of ballistic theories vs other theories. And those experiments rule out ballistic theory.

Those are the ones I just mentioned. None of the others is worth the paper it was written on.



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#430786

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-02 02:42 +0000
Message-ID<ood5qr$1sqn$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#430768
HGW <HW@home.net> wrote:
> On 01/09/17 01:58, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/30/17 7:07 PM, HGW wrote:
>>> That fact eliminates about 99% of experiments that purport to refute BaTh.
>> 
>> That's a ridiculous statement.
>> For example, the MMX is completely consistent with a ballistic theory of
>> light and is ACKNOWLEDGED to be so. It isn't an 
>> experiment that purports to refute ballistic theories, though it is ALSO
>> in support of relativity. A given experiment 
>> can be consistent with more than one theory.
> 
> Bodkin, most of the experiments that are claimed to refute BaTh are those
> using fast moving mirrors along with 
> interferometric techniques. If the fools understood BaTh they would have
> realised beforehand that their experiments were 
> doomed to produce a null result.

Those aren't the ones I know. 

> 
>> Nevertheless, ballistic theories are ruled out because of a small number
>> of experiments designed SPECIFICALLY to 
>> distinguish the predictions of ballistic theories vs other theories. And
>> those experiments rule out ballistic theory.
> 
> Those are the ones I just mentioned. None of the others is worth the
> paper it was written on.

Well, that's your propaganda. But who cares?

> 
> 
> 



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#430866

FromHGW <HW@home.net>
Date2017-09-03 09:32 +1000
Message-ID<ooff23$1fps$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#430786
On 02/09/17 12:42, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> HGW <HW@home.net> wrote:
>> On 01/09/17 01:58, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 8/30/17 7:07 PM, HGW wrote:
>>>> That fact eliminates about 99% of experiments that purport to refute BaTh.
>>>
>>> That's a ridiculous statement.
>>> For example, the MMX is completely consistent with a ballistic theory of
>>> light and is ACKNOWLEDGED to be so. It isn't an
>>> experiment that purports to refute ballistic theories, though it is ALSO
>>> in support of relativity. A given experiment
>>> can be consistent with more than one theory.
>>
>> Bodkin, most of the experiments that are claimed to refute BaTh are those
>> using fast moving mirrors along with
>> interferometric techniques. If the fools understood BaTh they would have
>> realised beforehand that their experiments were
>> doomed to produce a null result.
> 
> Those aren't the ones I know.

That surprises me. I would have thought a person so familiar with this subject would have been very well aware of the 
main class of experiments that claim to refute BaTh. Bodkin you have gone well down in my estimation.

>>> Nevertheless, ballistic theories are ruled out because of a small number
>>> of experiments designed SPECIFICALLY to
>>> distinguish the predictions of ballistic theories vs other theories. And
>>> those experiments rule out ballistic theory.
>>
>> Those are the ones I just mentioned. None of the others is worth the
>> paper it was written on.
> 
> Well, that's your propaganda. But who cares?

I suppose they are also ones you don't know....
Is there anything you DO know Bodkin?


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#430868

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-03 00:07 +0000
Message-ID<oofh4h$1ig1$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#430866
HGW <HW@home.net> wrote:
> On 02/09/17 12:42, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> HGW <HW@home.net> wrote:
>>> On 01/09/17 01:58, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/30/17 7:07 PM, HGW wrote:
>>>>> That fact eliminates about 99% of experiments that purport to refute BaTh.
>>>> 
>>>> That's a ridiculous statement.
>>>> For example, the MMX is completely consistent with a ballistic theory of
>>>> light and is ACKNOWLEDGED to be so. It isn't an
>>>> experiment that purports to refute ballistic theories, though it is ALSO
>>>> in support of relativity. A given experiment
>>>> can be consistent with more than one theory.
>>> 
>>> Bodkin, most of the experiments that are claimed to refute BaTh are those
>>> using fast moving mirrors along with
>>> interferometric techniques. If the fools understood BaTh they would have
>>> realised beforehand that their experiments were
>>> doomed to produce a null result.
>> 
>> Those aren't the ones I know.
> 
> That surprises me. I would have thought a person so familiar with this
> subject would have been very well aware of the 
> main class of experiments that claim to refute BaTh. 

And they are aren't what you described. 


> Bodkin you have gone well down in my estimation.
> 
>>>> Nevertheless, ballistic theories are ruled out because of a small number
>>>> of experiments designed SPECIFICALLY to
>>>> distinguish the predictions of ballistic theories vs other theories. And
>>>> those experiments rule out ballistic theory.
>>> 
>>> Those are the ones I just mentioned. None of the others is worth the
>>> paper it was written on.
>> 
>> Well, that's your propaganda. But who cares?
> 
> I suppose they are also ones you don't know....
> Is there anything you DO know Bodkin?
> 
> 



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#431013

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2017-09-04 04:08 -0700
Message-ID<e7afe2d5-5b76-4cad-9461-5e7fd475d5f2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#430416
On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 5:16:25 PM UTC-7, HGW wrote:
> On 29/08/17 21:05, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > HGW wrote:
> 
> >>>
> >>> The MMX did no such thing. It also did not "disprove the constancy of the
> >>> speed of light". And it also did not prove "the speed of light is c in
> >>> every inertial frame". Indeed, it is a physical experiment and cannot
> >>> "prove" anything.
> >>
> >> Oh I get it! Only thought experiments can prove anything.  […]
> > 
> > He did not say that at all.  Unsurprisingly, you are grasping at straws now.
> > 
> > Because in your mind, nothing can be that you do not want to be because you
> > are unwilling or incapable of grasping it.  Your thinking is wishful, not
> > based on logic, and that is why you continuously fail.
> 
> Look, it is quite obvious that the MMX failed because light is ballistic.
> All the other attempts to explain the result are desperate and hilarious.

The point was you don't understand this stuff. So it doesn't matter what you post here.

--
Jan

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