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Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer?

Started bygehan.ameresekere@gmail.com
First post2017-07-28 00:30 -0700
Last post2017-08-20 15:21 -0700
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  Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-28 00:30 -0700
    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-07-28 10:02 +0200
      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-28 01:49 -0700
        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-28 01:52 -0700
        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-28 01:55 -0700
          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-28 06:58 -0700
            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-28 17:08 +0000
              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-29 07:34 -0700
                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-30 04:20 +0000
                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-30 06:11 -0700
                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-30 13:16 +0000
                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-30 17:58 +0000
                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 06:41 -0700
                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-30 10:24 -0700
                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-30 18:09 +0000
                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-31 05:04 -0700
              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 10:30 -0500
                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-31 12:05 -0700
                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:58 -0500
                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-02 13:43 -0700
                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 13:01 -0500
                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-02 14:11 -0700
            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-31 16:19 -0400
              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-01 05:09 -0700
                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-01 14:12 +0000
                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-01 11:40 -0400
                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-01 10:01 -0700
                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:18 -0500
                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-02 13:46 -0700
                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 09:56 -0500
                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-03 08:07 -0700
                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-03 08:48 -0700
                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 09:51 -0700
                                Imbecile Stephane Baune hard at work. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-03 09:57 -0700
                                  Re: Imbecile Stephane Baune hard at work. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 10:30 -0700
                                    Re: Imbecile Stephane Baune hard at work. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-03 11:31 -0700
                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 10:31 -0700
                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 13:01 -0500
                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-03 11:33 -0700
                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 13:45 -0500
                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-03 12:20 -0700
                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-03 21:28 -0400
                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-03 19:33 -0700
                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-08-03 22:16 -0700
                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-04 09:55 -0400
                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-03 19:24 -0700
                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 02:38 +0000
                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-04 05:58 -0700
                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-04 07:09 -0700
                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-05 05:54 -0700
                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 14:05 +0000
                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-05 15:17 -0700
                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 03:03 +0000
                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-06 06:51 -0700
                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-06 07:05 -0700
                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-06 07:51 -0700
                                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-06 08:50 -0700
                                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-06 10:54 -0700
                                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 19:23 +0000
                                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-07 14:12 -0700
                                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 16:53 -0500
                                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 17:20 -0500
                                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 16:29 -0700
                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 01:41 -0700
                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 09:12 -0700
                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-11 12:05 -0500
                                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-11 10:59 -0700
                                                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-13 22:40 -0500
                                                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-14 07:05 -0700
                                                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-14 07:12 -0700
                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 07:54 -0500
                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-08 07:38 -0700
                                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-08 07:45 -0700
                                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-08 07:17 -0700
                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Winfred Tucker <cnt@iiefeer.dc> - 2017-08-08 14:24 +0000
                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:20 -0500
                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-09 07:59 -0700
                                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 12:13 -0500
                                                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-09 13:37 -0700
                                                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 15:50 -0500
                                                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-09 14:16 -0700
                                                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 16:17 -0500
                                                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-10 08:21 -0700
                                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 10:30 -0500
                                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-10 08:40 -0700
                                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-18 08:12 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-18 14:01 -0500
                                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-07 23:12 -0700
                                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 11:26 +0000
                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-08 06:55 -0700
                                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-08 07:23 -0700
                                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:20 -0500
                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-09 07:34 -0700
                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 12:14 -0500
                                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-09 13:35 -0700
                                                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 15:50 -0500
                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 19:23 +0000
                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-07 14:08 -0700
                                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 16:52 -0500
                                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-08 06:25 -0700
                                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:20 -0500
                                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-09 07:46 -0700
                                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 12:11 -0500
                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-09 13:33 -0700
                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 15:49 -0500
                                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-09 14:11 -0700
                                                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 16:16 -0500
                                                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 22:15 -0700
                                                                        Cretin Stephane Baune ("rotchm") resurfaces from his shithole "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-10 06:51 -0700
                                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-09 23:21 -0700
                                                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 12:42 -0700
                                                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-10 13:05 -0700
                                                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 13:23 -0700
                                                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-10 13:41 -0700
                                                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 13:53 -0700
                                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-10 23:25 -0700
                                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 23:59 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-11 00:23 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 08:09 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-11 13:14 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 20:18 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-11 13:24 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 13:40 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-11 14:11 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 14:37 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 21:12 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-11 14:36 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 13:41 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 21:12 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-11 14:37 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 15:21 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Prudence Oppenheimer <phow@innfldo.sp> - 2017-08-11 22:31 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 15:40 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-13 23:11 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 14:39 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 13:36 -0700
                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-05 07:22 -0700
                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 07:38 -0700
                                            Cretin Stephane Baune intervenes in favor of fellow antirelativity crackpot, Ken Shito "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-05 07:43 -0700
                                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 11:41 -0500
                                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-05 09:53 -0700
                                        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 12:04 -0500
                                          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-05 15:24 -0700
                                            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 03:03 +0000
                                              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-05 21:39 -0700
                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-01 23:15 -0700
                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-08-02 02:46 -0700
                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-04 11:08 -0400
        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-07-28 11:12 +0200
        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-28 15:34 -0700
          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-07-29 00:59 +0200
            Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 16:06 -0700
              Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-07-29 01:07 +0200
                Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-28 19:06 -0700
                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-07-29 14:14 +0200
                  Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Aolf Göbel <adolf.goebel@gmail.com> - 2017-07-29 15:26 +0200
                    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 15:21 -0700
                      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Otten Schneijders <jii@pouartj.op> - 2017-08-04 16:21 +0000
      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-28 01:51 -0700
        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 14:56 -0700
          Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-29 01:03 -0700
    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 06:11 -0700
      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-30 20:23 -0700
        Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-07-30 20:48 -0700
    Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-28 08:21 -0500
      Re: Is it possible to test the second postulate of Special Relativity using a laser pointer? Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-28 19:58 +0000
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#427100

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-03 13:01 -0500
Message-ID<olvoel$cun$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426960
On 8/2/17 3:43 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 11:58:52 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/31/17 2:05 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 11:30:18 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/17 12:08 PM, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ONE-WAY OR TWO-WAYS isotropy can be tested. But actual value of one way speed
>>>>>> of light is not testable.....Why? physicists claim that it is not possible to
>>>>>> absolute synchronize two spatially separated clocks.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Although this is a false claim. Why? Because they measure the speed of neutrino
>>>>>> with two spatially separated clocks. Question: Why can they use the same
>>>>>> procedure to measure the one-way speed of light?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because what they get when they measure neutrino speed actually is the ratio of
>>>>> neutrino speed to the speed of light.  That way they can tell if neutrinos move
>>>>> at the speed of light (the ratio is 1:1) or slower (ratio is less than 1:1).
>>>>> Or even faster. Some cable error initially produced that result at one time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Use the same procedure to try to measure the one way speed of light and you
>>>>> will get the ratio of the speed of light to the speed of light. The ratio
>>>>> will always be 1:1, of course, and that tells you exactly nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ken has zero experimental skills. He has no idea that making a
>>>> measurement using the same procedure used to calibrate your instrument
>>>> is a scientific no-no. This suggestion alone will result in him getting
>>>> laughed out of any experimental physicist's office.
>>>
>>> ROTFLOL.....it is you who have zero experimental skill. The GPS was used to synch two spatially separate clocks to measure the speed of neutrino the same procedure can be used to synch two clocks to measure the OWLS. Gee you are stupid.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, and that's allowed because the system used to measure the speed of
>> neutrinos was calibrated with light (that's what the GPS system uses).
>> If you use a system calibrated with light to measure the speed of light,
>> you are committing the scientific boo-boo. It'd be like trying to
>> measure the weight of a watermelon with a scale calibrated with watermelons.
> 
> Idiot,..We do that with weights all the time. A scale is calibrated by place a kg wt. on the scale and it is adjusted to read 1 kg. After calibration you put the watermelon to measure its weight. 

Did you read what I said? I said a scale calibrated with watermelons, 
not a scale calibrated with a standard 1 kg weight.

Of course you didn't read what I said. You might have tried, but you 
cannot read one single complete sentence without losing track somewhere 
in the middle.

Twice in two days I've written "extrinsic" and you thought I wrote 
"intrinsic". Twice in two days.

I said a scale calibrated with watermelons, and thought I said a scale 
calibrated with 1 kg weights.

Cannot read a single sentence from beginning to end without losing track.

> from time to time you recalibrate the scale by putting the standard wt on it to make sure it remains calibrated.
> 
>>
>> You are an experimental ninny.
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


-- 
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#426970

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2017-08-02 14:11 -0700
Message-ID<48a2dda1-adee-4574-bd30-0c55db50fabc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#426914
W dniu środa, 2 sierpnia 2017 17:58:52 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:

> Yes, and that's allowed because the system used to measure the speed of 
> neutrinos was calibrated with light (that's what the GPS system uses). 
> If you use a system calibrated with light to measure the speed of light, 

And, tell me, poor idiot, how your moronic physics calibrates 
a "meter" these days?

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#426722

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2017-07-31 16:19 -0400
Message-ID<89SdnS0ujLkhDeLEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#426440
On 7/28/17 7/28/17   9:58 AM, kenseto wrote:
> they measure the speed of neutrino with two spatially separated clocks.
> Question: Why can they use the same procedure to measure the one-way speed of
> light?

	[typo: "can" => "can't"]

You refer to the CERN-to-Gran-Sasso measurement of neutrino speed using clocks 
synchronized via GPS, and to the similar measurement Fermilab-to-Minnesota.

A) Neutrinos travel straight through the earth, light does not.

B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
    neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
    light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
    nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].

	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
	of theory.

Tom Roberts

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#426796

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-08-01 05:09 -0700
Message-ID<56b6d7a8-7fe1-4b32-beaf-a48825cceaec@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#426722
On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 7/28/17 7/28/17   9:58 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > they measure the speed of neutrino with two spatially separated clocks.
> > Question: Why can they use the same procedure to measure the one-way speed of
> > light?
> 
> 	[typo: "can" => "can't"]
> 
> You refer to the CERN-to-Gran-Sasso measurement of neutrino speed using clocks 
> synchronized via GPS, and to the similar measurement Fermilab-to-Minnesota.
> 
> A) Neutrinos travel straight through the earth, light does not.

We can synch two spatially separated clocks using the GPS on earth’s surface to measure OWLS. The point is to measure OWLS directly.
 
> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
>     neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
>     light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
>     nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].

If the two synched clocks are A and B and if the results for OWLS are: 
A-B=c
B-A=c
Then we would have confirm that OWLS is c and that speed of light is isotropic. Then that would settle all arguments about the speed of light being c.
> 
> 	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
> 	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
> 	of theory.

Do the experiments ......don’t just make assertions.

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#426813

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-08-01 14:12 +0000
Message-ID<olq28o$lab$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#426796
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:

>> You refer to the CERN-to-Gran-Sasso measurement of neutrino speed using clocks
>> synchronized via GPS, and to the similar measurement Fermilab-to-Minnesota.
>>
>> A) Neutrinos travel straight through the earth, light does not.

>We can synch two spatially separated clocks using the GPS on earth's
>surface to measure OWLS. The point is to measure OWLS directly.

But using the GPS system as a roundabout way to synchronize the clocks
isn't measuring OWLS.

>> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
>>     neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
>>     light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
>>     nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].

>If the two synched clocks are A and B and if the results for OWLS are:
>A-B=c
>B-A=c
>Then we would have confirm that OWLS is c and that speed of light is 
>isotropic.

We already know that the speed of light is isotropic, and that the TWLS is c.
Simple logic shows that proves the OWLS must be c.

> Then that would settle all arguments about the speed of light being c.

There is no actual argument of the speed of light being c, just the 
babbling of kooks such as yourself who don't get the concept of SR.

And anyway, it has been explained to you several times that using the
speed of light to measure the speed of light is going to tell you
nothing other than c=c.  This is different than using the speed of light
to measure the speed of neutrinos, since neutrinos aren't light.  You will
get an actual, useful figure from this.

>Do the experiments ......don't just make assertions.

So why do you always make assertions, Ken?

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#426816

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2017-08-01 11:40 -0400
Message-ID<drCdncp9XLuQPB3EnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#426796
On 8/1/17 8/1/17   8:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote: 
>> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
>>      neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
>>      light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
>>      nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].
>> 	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
>> 	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
>> 	of theory.
> 
> Do the experiments ......don’t just make assertions.

The experiment is performed millions of times every day: each position 
calculation of the GPS demonstrates that the vacuum speed of light is 
isotropically c relative to the ECI.

	This measurement is made over the ~ 20,000 km path from
	satellite to receiver, MUCH longer than the neutrinos.
	I estimate the errorbar on the speed of light to be less than
	100 meters/sec, far below the orbital speed of the earth, and
	even below the rotational speed at most locations.

Tom Roberts

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#426823

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-08-01 10:01 -0700
Message-ID<a1b6be71-359a-4f61-93ae-3ba33fa7eb7e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#426816
On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 8/1/17 8/1/17   8:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote: 
> >> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
> >>      neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
> >>      light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
> >>      nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].
> >> 	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
> >> 	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
> >> 	of theory.
> > 
> > Do the experiments ......don’t just make assertions.
> 
> The experiment is performed millions of times every day: each position 
> calculation of the GPS demonstrates that the vacuum speed of light is 
> isotropically c relative to the ECI.

That’s not the same as doing the OWLS measurement directly.  In their calculation they introduce correction factors until they got the right answer. In direct measurements no correction factors are involved.

> 
> 	This measurement is made over the ~ 20,000 km path from
> 	satellite to receiver, MUCH longer than the neutrinos.
> 	I estimate the errorbar on the speed of light to be less than
> 	100 meters/sec, far below the orbital speed of the earth, and
> 	even below the rotational speed at most locations.
> 
> Tom Roberts

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#426908

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-02 10:18 -0500
Message-ID<olsqg1$1l3s$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426823
On 8/1/17 12:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>> On 8/1/17 8/1/17   8:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>>>> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
>>>>       neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
>>>>       light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
>>>>       nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].
>>>> 	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
>>>> 	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
>>>> 	of theory.
>>>
>>> Do the experiments ......don’t just make assertions.
>>
>> The experiment is performed millions of times every day: each position
>> calculation of the GPS demonstrates that the vacuum speed of light is
>> isotropically c relative to the ECI.
> 
> That’s not the same as doing the OWLS measurement directly.  In their calculation they introduce correction factors until they got the right answer. In direct measurements no correction factors are involved.

Seto, you have no idea how to run an experiment.

You have this idea that answers are impossible to get in an indirect 
measurement and so scientists doing any indirect measurement just fudge 
the answer to get what they want.

Do you seriously believe that scientists are so wholesale dishonest that 
they will all do this?

                          *******************
                 *********                   **********
       **********                                      **********
*****------------------------------------------------------------*****

By the way, the path of the neutrinos in that experiment is shown above, 
traveling right through the crust of the earth on the dashed line, under 
the curve of the earth's surface. No tunnel, no tube. How do you propose 
to have light travel the same path?

> 
>>
>> 	This measurement is made over the ~ 20,000 km path from
>> 	satellite to receiver, MUCH longer than the neutrinos.
>> 	I estimate the errorbar on the speed of light to be less than
>> 	100 meters/sec, far below the orbital speed of the earth, and
>> 	even below the rotational speed at most locations.
>>
>> Tom Roberts


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#426963

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-08-02 13:46 -0700
Message-ID<d5123fe6-68d3-4723-877b-9676b01a1c85@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#426908
On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/1/17 12:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> >> On 8/1/17 8/1/17   8:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> >>>> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
> >>>>       neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
> >>>>       light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
> >>>>       nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].
> >>>> 	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
> >>>> 	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
> >>>> 	of theory.
> >>>
> >>> Do the experiments ......don’t just make assertions.
> >>
> >> The experiment is performed millions of times every day: each position
> >> calculation of the GPS demonstrates that the vacuum speed of light is
> >> isotropically c relative to the ECI.
> > 
> > That’s not the same as doing the OWLS measurement directly.  In their calculation they introduce correction factors until they got the right answer. In direct measurements no correction factors are involved.
> 
> Seto, you have no idea how to run an experiment.
> 
> You have this idea that answers are impossible to get in an indirect 
> measurement and so scientists doing any indirect measurement just fudge 
> the answer to get what they want.
> 
> Do you seriously believe that scientists are so wholesale dishonest that 
> they will all do this?
> 
>                           *******************
>                  *********                   **********
>        **********                                      **********
> *****------------------------------------------------------------*****
> 
> By the way, the path of the neutrinos in that experiment is shown above, 
> traveling right through the crust of the earth on the dashed line, under 
> the curve of the earth's surface. No tunnel, no tube. How do you propose 
> to have light travel the same path?

Moron I proposed using the GPS to synch two clocks on mountain tops and use those synched clock to measure OWLS.
> 
> > 
> >>
> >> 	This measurement is made over the ~ 20,000 km path from
> >> 	satellite to receiver, MUCH longer than the neutrinos.
> >> 	I estimate the errorbar on the speed of light to be less than
> >> 	100 meters/sec, far below the orbital speed of the earth, and
> >> 	even below the rotational speed at most locations.
> >>
> >> Tom Roberts
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#427045

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-03 09:56 -0500
Message-ID<olvdiq$1p4p$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426963
On 8/2/17 3:46 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/1/17 12:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>>>> On 8/1/17 8/1/17   8:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>>>>>> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
>>>>>>        neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
>>>>>>        light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
>>>>>>        nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].
>>>>>> 	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
>>>>>> 	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
>>>>>> 	of theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do the experiments ......don’t just make assertions.
>>>>
>>>> The experiment is performed millions of times every day: each position
>>>> calculation of the GPS demonstrates that the vacuum speed of light is
>>>> isotropically c relative to the ECI.
>>>
>>> That’s not the same as doing the OWLS measurement directly.  In their calculation they introduce correction factors until they got the right answer. In direct measurements no correction factors are involved.
>>
>> Seto, you have no idea how to run an experiment.
>>
>> You have this idea that answers are impossible to get in an indirect
>> measurement and so scientists doing any indirect measurement just fudge
>> the answer to get what they want.
>>
>> Do you seriously believe that scientists are so wholesale dishonest that
>> they will all do this?
>>
>>                            *******************
>>                   *********                   **********
>>         **********                                      **********
>> *****------------------------------------------------------------*****
>>
>> By the way, the path of the neutrinos in that experiment is shown above,
>> traveling right through the crust of the earth on the dashed line, under
>> the curve of the earth's surface. No tunnel, no tube. How do you propose
>> to have light travel the same path?
> 
> Moron I proposed using the GPS to synch two clocks on mountain tops and use those synched clock to measure OWLS.

You know that there are no two mountains that have a sightline of 445 
miles between them? And that the shorter the distance, the worse the 
experimental resolution?

>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 	This measurement is made over the ~ 20,000 km path from
>>>> 	satellite to receiver, MUCH longer than the neutrinos.
>>>> 	I estimate the errorbar on the speed of light to be less than
>>>> 	100 meters/sec, far below the orbital speed of the earth, and
>>>> 	even below the rotational speed at most locations.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Roberts
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


-- 
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#427049

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-08-03 08:07 -0700
Message-ID<ec900b5e-b1aa-4e9c-b94a-3ff135ef525d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#427045
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:56:32 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/2/17 3:46 PM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 8/1/17 12:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> >>>> On 8/1/17 8/1/17   8:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> >>>>>> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
> >>>>>>        neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
> >>>>>>        light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
> >>>>>>        nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].
> >>>>>> 	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
> >>>>>> 	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
> >>>>>> 	of theory.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do the experiments ......don’t just make assertions.
> >>>>
> >>>> The experiment is performed millions of times every day: each position
> >>>> calculation of the GPS demonstrates that the vacuum speed of light is
> >>>> isotropically c relative to the ECI.
> >>>
> >>> That’s not the same as doing the OWLS measurement directly.  In their calculation they introduce correction factors until they got the right answer. In direct measurements no correction factors are involved.
> >>
> >> Seto, you have no idea how to run an experiment.
> >>
> >> You have this idea that answers are impossible to get in an indirect
> >> measurement and so scientists doing any indirect measurement just fudge
> >> the answer to get what they want.
> >>
> >> Do you seriously believe that scientists are so wholesale dishonest that
> >> they will all do this?
> >>
> >>                            *******************
> >>                   *********                   **********
> >>         **********                                      **********
> >> *****------------------------------------------------------------*****
> >>
> >> By the way, the path of the neutrinos in that experiment is shown above,
> >> traveling right through the crust of the earth on the dashed line, under
> >> the curve of the earth's surface. No tunnel, no tube. How do you propose
> >> to have light travel the same path?
> > 
> > Moron I proposed using the GPS to synch two clocks on mountain tops and use those synched clock to measure OWLS.
> 
> You know that there are no two mountains that have a sightline of 445 
> miles between them? And that the shorter the distance, the worse the 
> experimental resolution?

They don’t have to be 445 miles apart. The results will show that the speed of light is constant and isotropic.

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#427063

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2017-08-03 08:48 -0700
Message-ID<5f1fe807-5f47-4df1-942a-bc3163e06bfb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#427049
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:07:37 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> 
> They don’t have to be 445 miles apart. The results will show that the speed of light is constant and isotropic.

Wow, Ken Shito

This is the first correct statement that you posted in your existence. You must be on your deathbed. 

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#427078

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-03 09:51 -0700
Message-ID<3be51482-824e-4a0a-87aa-4d70f1d85789@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#427063
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:48:20 AM UTC-4, Dono, wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:07:37 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> > 
> > They don’t have to be 445 miles apart. The results will show that the speed of light is constant and isotropic.
> 
> Wow, Ken Shito
> 
> This is the first correct statement that you posted in your 
> existence. You must be on your deathbed.

I must say, that idiot ken has shown improvement lately...surely due to his therapy & meeds. But you, have been getting worse; you cant even understand a simple definition anymore and you maintain that x(t) = t², x=t², y = Ax², ds² = dx² - dt² ets are not equations. Do you realize that for some time now, you have debunked ken's place as being the "village idiot", the "Uber-krank" of this NG ? Perhaps you should follow ken's recovery and seek medical help...SOON!

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#427082 — Imbecile Stephane Baune hard at work.

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2017-08-03 09:57 -0700
SubjectImbecile Stephane Baune hard at work.
Message-ID<bd3f7ea3-b49d-4406-b22f-8bf48fa2388f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#427078
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 9:51:29 AM UTC-7, rotchm wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:48:20 AM UTC-4, Dono, wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:07:37 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> > > 
> > > They don’t have to be 445 miles apart. The results will show that the speed of light is constant and isotropic.
> > 
> > Wow, Ken Shito
> > 
> > This is the first correct statement that you posted in your 
> > existence. You must be on your deathbed.
> 
> I must say, that idiot ken has shown improvement lately...surely due to his therapy & meeds. 

Yes, "meeds". Too bad that you forgot to take YOURS. MEDS. 

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#427092 — Re: Imbecile Stephane Baune hard at work.

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-03 10:30 -0700
SubjectRe: Imbecile Stephane Baune hard at work.
Message-ID<2e5e282e-7246-4344-bf9d-3f62109d4312@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#427082
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 12:57:04 PM UTC-4, Dono, wrote:

> Yes, "meeds". Too bad that you forgot to take YOURS. MEDS.

Yes, typos are permitted. 

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#427104 — Re: Imbecile Stephane Baune hard at work.

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2017-08-03 11:31 -0700
SubjectRe: Imbecile Stephane Baune hard at work.
Message-ID<82a1c2c8-0a96-47bb-98e0-052af374ae64@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#427092
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:30:15 AM UTC-7, rotchm wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 12:57:04 PM UTC-4, Dono, wrote:
> 
> > Yes, "meeds". Too bad that you forgot to take YOURS. MEDS.
> 
> Yes, typos are permitted.

...as well as the cretinisms that you try to pass as science

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#427093

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-03 10:31 -0700
Message-ID<3a4fe848-f8fb-4f86-a8b2-646081333eea@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#427063
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:48:20 AM UTC-4, Dono, wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:07:37 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> > 
> > They don’t have to be 445 miles apart. The results will show that the speed of light is constant and isotropic.
> 
> Wow, Ken Shito
> 
> This is the first correct statement that you posted in your existence. 
> You must be on your deathbed.

I must say, that idiot ken has shown improvement lately...surely due to his therapy & meeds. But you, have been getting worse; you cant even understand a simple definition anymore and you maintain that x(t) = t², x=t², y = Ax², ds² = dx² - dt² ets are not equations. Do you realize that for some time now, you have debunked ken's place as being the "village idiot", the "Uber-krank" of this NG ? Perhaps you should follow ken's recovery and seek medical help...SOON! 

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#427099

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-03 13:01 -0500
Message-ID<olvoee$cun$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#427049
On 8/3/17 10:07 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:56:32 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/2/17 3:46 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/1/17 12:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/1/17 8/1/17   8:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>>>>>>>> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
>>>>>>>>         neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
>>>>>>>>         light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
>>>>>>>>         nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].
>>>>>>>> 	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
>>>>>>>> 	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
>>>>>>>> 	of theory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do the experiments ......don’t just make assertions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The experiment is performed millions of times every day: each position
>>>>>> calculation of the GPS demonstrates that the vacuum speed of light is
>>>>>> isotropically c relative to the ECI.
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s not the same as doing the OWLS measurement directly.  In their calculation they introduce correction factors until they got the right answer. In direct measurements no correction factors are involved.
>>>>
>>>> Seto, you have no idea how to run an experiment.
>>>>
>>>> You have this idea that answers are impossible to get in an indirect
>>>> measurement and so scientists doing any indirect measurement just fudge
>>>> the answer to get what they want.
>>>>
>>>> Do you seriously believe that scientists are so wholesale dishonest that
>>>> they will all do this?
>>>>
>>>>                             *******************
>>>>                    *********                   **********
>>>>          **********                                      **********
>>>> *****------------------------------------------------------------*****
>>>>
>>>> By the way, the path of the neutrinos in that experiment is shown above,
>>>> traveling right through the crust of the earth on the dashed line, under
>>>> the curve of the earth's surface. No tunnel, no tube. How do you propose
>>>> to have light travel the same path?
>>>
>>> Moron I proposed using the GPS to synch two clocks on mountain tops and use those synched clock to measure OWLS.
>>
>> You know that there are no two mountains that have a sightline of 445
>> miles between them? And that the shorter the distance, the worse the
>> experimental resolution?
> 
> They don’t have to be 445 miles apart. The results will show that the speed of light is constant and isotropic.
> 

How does a owls measurement show isotropy?

Plus, isotropy and constancy have already been shown in experiment to a 
precision higher than what you would get from two nearby mountains.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#427105

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2017-08-03 11:33 -0700
Message-ID<173eaef2-689e-4e9b-b788-a4f8face56f2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#427099
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:01:53 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/3/17 10:07 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:56:32 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 8/2/17 3:46 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> On 8/1/17 12:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/1/17 8/1/17   8:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> >>>>>>>> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
> >>>>>>>>         neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
> >>>>>>>>         light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
> >>>>>>>>         nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].
> >>>>>>>> 	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
> >>>>>>>> 	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
> >>>>>>>> 	of theory.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do the experiments ......don’t just make assertions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The experiment is performed millions of times every day: each position
> >>>>>> calculation of the GPS demonstrates that the vacuum speed of light is
> >>>>>> isotropically c relative to the ECI.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That’s not the same as doing the OWLS measurement directly.  In their calculation they introduce correction factors until they got the right answer. In direct measurements no correction factors are involved.
> >>>>
> >>>> Seto, you have no idea how to run an experiment.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have this idea that answers are impossible to get in an indirect
> >>>> measurement and so scientists doing any indirect measurement just fudge
> >>>> the answer to get what they want.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you seriously believe that scientists are so wholesale dishonest that
> >>>> they will all do this?
> >>>>
> >>>>                             *******************
> >>>>                    *********                   **********
> >>>>          **********                                      **********
> >>>> *****------------------------------------------------------------*****
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way, the path of the neutrinos in that experiment is shown above,
> >>>> traveling right through the crust of the earth on the dashed line, under
> >>>> the curve of the earth's surface. No tunnel, no tube. How do you propose
> >>>> to have light travel the same path?
> >>>
> >>> Moron I proposed using the GPS to synch two clocks on mountain tops and use those synched clock to measure OWLS.
> >>
> >> You know that there are no two mountains that have a sightline of 445
> >> miles between them? And that the shorter the distance, the worse the
> >> experimental resolution?
> > 
> > They don’t have to be 445 miles apart. The results will show that the speed of light is constant and isotropic.
> > 
> 
> How does a owls measurement show isotropy?
> 
There is a large number of SR tests that test for OWLS ANisotropy, by constraining it close and closer to zero, one verifies OWLS isotropy.

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#427112

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-03 13:45 -0500
Message-ID<olvqvv$i55$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#427105
On 8/3/17 1:33 PM, Dono, wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:01:53 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/3/17 10:07 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:56:32 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/2/17 3:46 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 11:18:28 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/1/17 12:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:41:09 AM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/1/17 8/1/17   8:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 4:19:16 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> B) The GPS does not use neutrinos for clock synchronization, so measuring
>>>>>>>>>>          neutrino speed teaches you something new. The GPS effectively DOES use
>>>>>>>>>>          light for clock synchronization, so measuring light speed teaches you
>>>>>>>>>>          nothing -- the result is GUARANTEED to be c [#].
>>>>>>>>>> 	[#] This guarantee comes from the configuration of the system,
>>>>>>>>>> 	not from any theoretical analysis; it is completely independent
>>>>>>>>>> 	of theory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do the experiments ......don’t just make assertions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The experiment is performed millions of times every day: each position
>>>>>>>> calculation of the GPS demonstrates that the vacuum speed of light is
>>>>>>>> isotropically c relative to the ECI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s not the same as doing the OWLS measurement directly.  In their calculation they introduce correction factors until they got the right answer. In direct measurements no correction factors are involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seto, you have no idea how to run an experiment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have this idea that answers are impossible to get in an indirect
>>>>>> measurement and so scientists doing any indirect measurement just fudge
>>>>>> the answer to get what they want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you seriously believe that scientists are so wholesale dishonest that
>>>>>> they will all do this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                              *******************
>>>>>>                     *********                   **********
>>>>>>           **********                                      **********
>>>>>> *****------------------------------------------------------------*****
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, the path of the neutrinos in that experiment is shown above,
>>>>>> traveling right through the crust of the earth on the dashed line, under
>>>>>> the curve of the earth's surface. No tunnel, no tube. How do you propose
>>>>>> to have light travel the same path?
>>>>>
>>>>> Moron I proposed using the GPS to synch two clocks on mountain tops and use those synched clock to measure OWLS.
>>>>
>>>> You know that there are no two mountains that have a sightline of 445
>>>> miles between them? And that the shorter the distance, the worse the
>>>> experimental resolution?
>>>
>>> They don’t have to be 445 miles apart. The results will show that the speed of light is constant and isotropic.
>>>
>>
>> How does a owls measurement show isotropy?
>>
> There is a large number of SR tests that test for OWLS ANisotropy, by constraining it close and closer to zero, one verifies OWLS isotropy.
> 

I'm familiar with a number of one-way anisotropy experiments. Seto is 
asking for a one way light speed measurement, and I'm questioning how he 
would learn anything about isotropy from that. Read above.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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