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The correct explanation for the twin paradox

Started bykenseto <setoken@att.net>
First post2017-07-07 08:22 -0700
Last post2017-07-18 05:57 -0700
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  The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-07 08:22 -0700
    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 09:18 -0700
      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-07 13:20 -0700
        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 18:26 -0700
          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-08 10:32 -0700
            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-08 11:27 -0700
              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-08 14:02 -0700
                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-08 18:20 -0700
                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-09 06:23 -0700
                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-09 14:55 -0700
                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-10 04:25 -0700
                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-10 20:01 -0700
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-11 05:34 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-11 23:36 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-12 12:01 -0700
                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-13 21:24 -0700
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-14 09:20 -0700
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-14 09:51 -0700
                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-17 00:36 -0700
                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-17 00:44 -0700
                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-18 11:54 -0700
                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-19 09:27 -0700
                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-14 02:24 -0700
    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-07 09:44 -0700
      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-07 13:26 -0700
        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-07 13:48 -0700
          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-08 10:23 -0700
            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-08 17:44 -0700
        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-07 21:24 +0000
          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 18:25 -0700
            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-07 19:41 -0700
              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-07 21:09 -0700
                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-07 22:26 -0700
                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-08 00:03 -0700
        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-07 15:41 -0700
          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Upech Bezradne <adeeia@bbzzeop.ic> - 2017-07-08 10:40 +0000
            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-08 10:53 -0700
      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Upech Bezradne <adeeia@bbzzeop.ic> - 2017-07-08 10:57 +0000
    The correct explanation for the twin paradox "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-07 16:56 -0700
      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-08 10:03 -0700
        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2017-07-08 20:52 +0200
    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-14 02:28 -0700
      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-14 05:49 -0700
        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 06:18 -0700
          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-14 06:52 -0700
            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-14 07:00 -0700
              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-15 10:26 -0700
                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-15 15:13 -0700
                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-16 06:43 -0700
                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-16 17:13 +0000
                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-16 10:31 -0700
                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-16 18:46 +0000
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-16 13:16 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-16 22:04 +0000
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-16 21:18 -0700
                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-17 16:06 +0000
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-17 10:46 -0700
                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 14:51 -0700
                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 14:56 -0700
                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-17 10:15 -0700
                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 11:09 -0700
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-18 05:09 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-18 15:02 +0000
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-18 08:22 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 08:43 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-19 06:59 -0700
                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 07:20 -0700
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-19 14:56 -0700
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 15:52 -0700
                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-20 06:27 -0700
                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 06:59 -0700
                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-20 07:38 -0700
                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 09:02 -0700
                                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-20 11:50 -0700
                                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 17:01 -0700
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-19 20:28 -0700
                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-17 19:24 +0000
        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-14 17:43 +0000
          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-14 11:15 -0700
            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-14 11:49 -0700
      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-14 11:25 -0500
        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-14 16:32 +0000
          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-15 02:09 -0700
            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-15 09:34 +0000
              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-16 21:45 -0700
                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-16 22:50 -0700
                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-17 04:20 -0700
                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-17 04:45 -0700
                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 07:03 -0700
                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-17 10:44 -0700
                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 11:12 -0700
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-17 23:36 -0700
                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-17 22:35 -0700
                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-18 01:00 -0700
                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-18 02:42 -0700
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-18 02:55 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-18 03:41 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-18 05:05 -0700
                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-18 21:13 -0700
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-19 00:00 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 08:39 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-18 09:13 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-18 09:27 -0700
                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 18:11 -0700
                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Kurt Larrabee <arb@twraa.ab> - 2017-07-22 12:35 +0000
                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-17 22:30 -0700
                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-18 05:14 -0700
                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-18 21:14 -0700
                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 21:44 -0700
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-18 23:28 -0700
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-19 00:01 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-19 00:24 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-19 01:25 -0700
                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-19 01:50 -0700
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-19 02:33 -0700
                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-19 09:22 -0500
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-19 08:28 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 16:26 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-26 06:20 -0700
                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 12:10 -0700
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-26 20:38 +0000
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 15:09 -0700
                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 00:14 -0700
                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 09:07 -0700
                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Vliert Snijders <ouwi@leolaph.wo> - 2017-08-06 09:54 +0000
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 00:12 -0700
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 09:07 -0700
                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 12:05 -0700
                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-27 19:15 +0000
                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-27 19:16 +0000
                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 12:32 -0700
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-19 20:32 -0700
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-07-20 06:37 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 06:59 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-07-20 08:08 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-07-20 12:50 -0700
                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Ustin Veterre <utve@nauoe.ct> - 2017-07-20 19:59 +0000
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-20 18:59 -0400
                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-07-20 13:45 -0700
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-20 23:13 -0700
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-07-21 02:57 -0700
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-21 03:44 -0700
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-07-21 07:52 -0700
                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-22 02:09 -0700
                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-22 03:14 -0700
                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Poutnik <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2017-07-22 12:59 +0200
                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-23 07:09 -0700
                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-23 07:21 -0700
                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-24 21:05 -0700
                                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-24 23:02 -0700
                                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-24 23:39 -0700
                                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-24 23:52 -0700
                                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 06:58 -0700
                                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-26 20:59 -0700
                                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-26 21:12 -0700
                                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 06:12 -0700
                                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-27 21:13 -0700
                                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 06:06 -0700
                                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-30 20:31 -0700
                                                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 16:01 -0700
                                                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-31 20:36 -0700
                                                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-01 06:09 -0700
                                                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-08-01 21:08 -0700
                                                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-01 22:07 -0700
                                                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-08-02 02:37 -0700
                                                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-08-02 05:40 -0700
                                                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-02 10:01 -0700
                                                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-08-03 22:23 -0700
                                                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 06:39 -0700
                                                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-08-02 20:42 -0700
                                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-24 23:03 -0700
                                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-25 13:47 +0000
                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-21 09:29 -0500
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-21 18:47 +0000
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Esteban Viars <esane@snbvten.vt> - 2017-07-21 18:53 +0000
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-21 17:37 -0500
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-07-23 05:09 -0700
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-07-23 08:14 -0700
                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-07-26 01:27 -0700
                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-07-26 07:41 -0700
                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 00:07 -0700
                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-07-27 07:28 -0700
                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-07-27 08:19 -0700
                                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 09:04 -0700
                                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-07-27 09:36 -0700
                                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-27 10:00 -0700
                                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-27 10:21 -0700
                                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 12:11 -0700
                                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-27 12:40 -0700
                                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 13:12 -0700
                                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-27 13:30 -0700
                                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-07-28 07:14 -0700
                                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-28 09:37 -0700
                                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-27 21:10 -0700
                                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-27 17:16 +0000
                                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 12:07 -0700
                                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-07-28 07:12 -0700
                                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-07-28 08:30 -0700
                                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-07-28 13:40 -0700
                                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-07-28 14:22 -0700
                                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-29 01:08 -0700
                                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-07-29 02:24 -0700
                                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-07-29 07:52 -0700
                                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-02 07:39 -0700
                                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-08-02 08:25 -0700
                                                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-03 03:50 -0700
                                                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Npierre Imaux <tr@ieewerr.cp> - 2017-08-03 10:55 +0000
                                                                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-08-03 05:55 -0700
                                                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-03 06:16 -0700
                                                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-04 09:06 -0700
                                                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-08-04 10:55 -0700
                                                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-04 11:14 -0700
                                                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Otten Schneijders <jii@pouartj.op> - 2017-08-04 18:48 +0000
                                                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Otten Schneijders <jii@pouartj.op> - 2017-08-04 18:40 +0000
                                                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-06 07:43 -0700
                                                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-08-06 08:43 -0700
                                                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Earline Loar <ureoo@wwarao.ei> - 2017-08-06 15:56 +0000
                                                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-06 09:32 -0700
                                                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 09:41 -0700
                                                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-06 11:28 -0700
                                                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-03 05:01 -0700
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-23 08:14 -0700
                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-23 19:20 +0000
                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-23 22:43 -0700
                                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-24 00:14 -0700
                                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-24 00:25 -0700
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-23 10:56 -0700
                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-24 00:19 -0700
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-23 23:55 -0700
                                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-24 08:14 +0000
                                        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-24 02:15 -0700
                                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-26 20:55 -0500
                                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-25 09:22 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-20 23:11 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-21 07:04 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-20 12:54 -0700
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-21 10:34 -0700
                            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-26 20:53 -0500
                              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 00:18 -0700
                          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-21 06:42 -0700
            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-15 07:38 -0500
              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-16 08:07 -0700
                Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 17:55 +0000
                  Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-16 11:34 -0700
                    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 18:46 +0000
                      Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-16 13:15 -0700
              Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com - 2017-07-16 21:58 -0700
            Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-15 06:10 -0700
        Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-15 10:53 -0700
          Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-15 18:12 +0000
    Re: The correct explanation for the twin paradox "Edgar L. Owen" <Edgar@edgarlowen.com> - 2017-07-18 05:57 -0700

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#425362

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-17 11:09 -0700
Message-ID<bfb255ed-e3c4-4dcf-8383-eaa8ab638524@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425358
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 1:15:37 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 5:56:44 PM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:

> But the satellite clock second for the GPS were redefined to have 
> 4.4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation compared...

That is totally irrelevant to the discussion. We are discussing identical "clocks", "sources". They are all set to send out a pulse at 1 sec, say (when all at rest wrt each other). We then send them out at random speeds. 
All pairwise sats receive each others signal at the same rate. 

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#425452

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-07-18 05:09 -0700
Message-ID<a522dff6-f294-401c-b75a-8c42e0a0e822@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425362
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 2:09:09 PM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 1:15:37 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 5:56:44 PM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> 
> > But the satellite clock second for the GPS were redefined to have 
> > 4.4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation compared...
> 
> That is totally irrelevant to the discussion. We are discussing identical "clocks", "sources". They are all set to send out a pulse at 1 sec, say (when all at rest wrt each other). We then send them out at random speeds. 
> All pairwise sats receive each others signal at the same rate.

No they don’t receive each other’s signal at the same rate. A sends out a signal according to his  A clock second and B sends out a signal according to his B clock second. Similarly, A receives the signal from B according to his clock second and B receives the signal from A according to his clock second.

But A’s clock second does not contain the same amount of TIME as B’s clock second. In fact according to SR math and from A’s point of view A’s clock second is worth 1/gamma second of B’s clock second.

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#425472

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-18 15:02 +0000
Message-ID<okl7uh$301$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#425452
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>> That is totally irrelevant to the discussion. We are discussing identical
>"clocks", "sources". They are all set to send out a pulse at 1 sec, say
>(when all at rest wrt each other). We then send them out at random speeds.
>> All pairwise sats receive each others signal at the same rate.

>No they don't receive each other's signal at the same rate.
>A sends out a signal according to his  A clock second and B sends out a 
>signal according to his B clock second.

And we already stated that the A and B clocks are identical, they send out a
pulse once per second local time.

> Similarly, A receives the signal from
> B according to his clock second and B receives the signal from A according
> to his clock second.

And again as the A and B clocks are identical, and each one keeps proper local
time, they will receive the identical signals from the other clock identically
so A and B will see the exact same thing.

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#425475

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2017-07-18 08:22 -0700
Message-ID<9422372a-b785-4c6e-b870-fe860d8c14a6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425472
W dniu wtorek, 18 lipca 2017 17:02:44 UTC+2 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał:


> And again as the A and B clocks are identical, and each one keeps proper local
> time, they will receive the identical signals from the other clock identically
> so A and B will see the exact same thing.

And jedi knights fight the evil.

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#425478

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-18 08:43 -0700
Message-ID<0d8a1302-48cb-4863-ac64-c1028e877fe1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425452
On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 8:09:29 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 2:09:09 PM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:

> > All pairwise sats receive each others signal at the same rate.
> 
> No they don’t receive each other’s signal at the same rate. 

Yes they do. Its an empirical fact.

> A sends out a signal according to his  A clock second and B sends 
> out a signal according to his B clock second. Similarly, A receives 
> the signal from B according to his clock second and B receives 
> the signal from A according to his clock second.

Correct. 

> But A’s clock second does not contain the same amount of TIME as B’s 
> clock second. 

Perhaps, but one the calculations done (or empirical verification), it so happens that all pairwise sats receive each others signal at the same rate.


> In fact according to SR math and from A’s point of view A’s clock 
> second is worth 1/gamma second of B’s clock second.

Something like that, but nonetheless, removing all those ambiguous words and doing the math, we get that all pairwise sats receive each others signal at the same rate; the time interval received by A and the time interval received by B will be the same. Can you show this using SR's math?

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#425599

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-07-19 06:59 -0700
Message-ID<e1d117e3-7da2-43f6-972d-2e94fcadf8d1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425478
On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 11:43:18 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 8:09:29 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 2:09:09 PM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> 
> > > All pairwise sats receive each others signal at the same rate.
> > 
> > No they don’t receive each other’s signal at the same rate. 
> 
> Yes they do. Its an empirical fact.

I asked you for actual experiment measurements and you never show them. So I assumed that your claims are not empirical......just assumption.

> 
> > A sends out a signal according to his  A clock second and B sends 
> > out a signal according to his B clock second. Similarly, A receives 
> > the signal from B according to his clock second and B receives 
> > the signal from A according to his clock second.
> 
> Correct. 
> 
> > But A’s clock second does not contain the same amount of TIME as B’s 
> > clock second. 
> 
> Perhaps, but one the calculations done (or empirical verification), it so happens that all pairwise sats receive each others signal at the same rate.

No such reciprocal pairwise measurements are available....just assumptions.
> 
> 
> > In fact according to SR math and from A’s point of view A’s clock 
> > second is worth 1/gamma second of B’s clock second.
> 
> Something like that, but nonetheless, removing all those ambiguous words and doing the math, we get that all pairwise sats receive each others signal at the same rate; the time interval received by A and the time interval received by B will be the same. Can you show this using SR’s math?

It is possible that pairwise sat clocks receive each others signal at the same rate......that’s because they are in the same frame. just as two clocks on earth’s surface will receive signals at the same rate.
 

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#425600

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-19 07:20 -0700
Message-ID<334f9690-f45d-4dd7-afef-a8054749d8f4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425599
On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 11:43:18 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:

> I asked you for actual experiment measurements and you never show them. 

I told you already; it will take me some time to re-find the data, time that i currently dont have. But *you* can search for them in the meanwhile. Also, write to a few sat/space agencies about it [pairwise timing verifications]. 

Or, you can "inexpensively" do the exp yourself these days.  

> So I assumed that your claims are not empirical......just assumption.

You make wrong assumptions again

> No such reciprocal pairwise measurements are available....

You are a reality denier. That wont get you far. 


> > Something like that, but nonetheless, removing all those ambiguous 
> > words and doing the math, we get that all pairwise sats receive 
> > each others signal at the same rate; the time interval received by A and 
> > the time interval received by B will be the same. Can you show 
> > this using SR’s math?
> 
> It is possible that pairwise sat clocks receive each others signal 
> at the same rate......

Exps show otherwise. 


> that’s because they are in the same frame. 

No. Most pairwise sats (and the ones we are referring to) have a relative speed amongst them. hence they are in different (inertial) frames. 


> just as two clocks on earth’s surface will receive signals at 
> the same rate.

Clocks on earth are NOT in a same (inertial) frame. Only approximately. 
And this is irrelevant to the discussion. Stay on topic.

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#425630

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-07-19 14:56 -0700
Message-ID<9420e7de-2fe5-4ee6-b340-d60015e014b5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425600
On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 10:20:32 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 11:43:18 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> 
> > I asked you for actual experiment measurements and you never show them. 
> 
> I told you already; it will take me some time to re-find the data, time that i currently dont have. But *you* can search for them in the meanwhile. Also, write to a few sat/space agencies about it [pairwise timing verifications]. 

Bullshit.....no such data exist.

> 
> Or, you can "inexpensively" do the exp yourself these days.  
> 
> > So I assumed that your claims are not empirical......just assumption.
> 
> You make wrong assumptions again
> 
> > No such reciprocal pairwise measurements are available....
> 
> You are a reality denier. That wont get you far. 
> 
> 
> > > Something like that, but nonetheless, removing all those ambiguous 
> > > words and doing the math, we get that all pairwise sats receive 
> > > each others signal at the same rate; the time interval received by A and 
> > > the time interval received by B will be the same. Can you show 
> > > this using SR’s math?
> > 
> > It is possible that pairwise sat clocks receive each others signal 
> > at the same rate......
> 
> Exps show otherwise. 
> 
> 
> > that’s because they are in the same frame. 
> 
> No. Most pairwise sats (and the ones we are referring to) have a relative speed amongst them. hence they are in different (inertial) frames. 
> 
> 
> > just as two clocks on earth’s surface will receive signals at 
> > the same rate.
> 
> Clocks on earth are NOT in a same (inertial) frame. Only approximately. 
> And this is irrelevant to the discussion. Stay on topic.

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#425633

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-19 15:52 -0700
Message-ID<cb13691c-312e-45ad-ad7e-3d42bf83e312@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425630
On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:

> Bullshit.....no such data exist.

That is a very unscientific attitude. If you dont know something, dont imply that it doesn't exist. And dont be lazy; if *you* want the data, then *you* can look for it too. Dont expect everyone to do all the work for you!

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#425674

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-07-20 06:27 -0700
Message-ID<0c3b382a-34c6-4312-ba83-a870af7372f4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425633
On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 6:52:52 PM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> 
> > Bullshit.....no such data exist.
> 
> That is a very unscientific attitude. If you dont know something, dont imply that it doesn't exist. And dont be lazy; if *you* want the data, then *you* can look for it too. Dont expect everyone to do all the work for you!

You claimed that such reciprocal data exists and they do them everyday.....so produce them.

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#425677

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-20 06:59 -0700
Message-ID<eb9761e3-e379-4bec-8a6d-7ccea140c24f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425674
On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 9:27:03 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
 
> You claimed that such reciprocal data exists and they do 
> them everyday.....so produce them.

YOU want the data, so YOU can search for it TOO.
Why dont you want to look for it? Is it because you are afraid of the truth and that it will show that you were wrong all along and that your theory falls apart ? Better for you to not seek the truth and to remain in your happy place.

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#425681

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-07-20 07:38 -0700
Message-ID<09d458a4-0946-4719-9305-4ff2bb6d105f@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425677
On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 9:59:55 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 9:27:03 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>  
> > You claimed that such reciprocal data exists and they do 
> > them everyday.....so produce them.
> 
> YOU want the data, so YOU can search for it TOO.

I don’t want the data because it doesn’t exist....I just want to point out to you that your claim of reciprocity data is a false claim.

> Why dont you want to look for it? Is it because you are afraid of the truth and that it will show that you were wrong all along and that your theory falls apart ? Better for you to not seek the truth and to remain in your happy place.

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#425691

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-20 09:02 -0700
Message-ID<1cbc931f-fe9a-460d-b522-7da27530d719@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425681
On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 10:38:23 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
 
> > YOU want the data, so YOU can search for it TOO.
> 
> I don’t want the data because it doesn’t exist....

Can you prove your claim ?

> I just want to point out to you that your claim of reciprocity 
> data is a false claim.

But you cant back up your claim [that the data does not exist]. 
You are just handwaving.

If you never encountered it, you cant claim that it doesnt exist.

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#425704

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2017-07-20 11:50 -0700
Message-ID<ec8045d1-de6f-448c-a3b8-1f3b272f48d5@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425691
On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 12:02:49 PM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 10:38:23 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>  
> > > YOU want the data, so YOU can search for it TOO.
> > 
> > I don’t want the data because it doesn’t exist....
> 
> Can you prove your claim ?
> 
> > I just want to point out to you that your claim of reciprocity 
> > data is a false claim.
> 
> But you cant back up your claim [that the data does not exist]. 
> You are just handwaving.

You can’t back up your claim that reciprocity data exist....so it is you who is handwaving.
> 
> If you never encountered it, you cant claim that it doesnt exist.

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#425719

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-20 17:01 -0700
Message-ID<81cac85a-b669-4c6b-8b7b-b45c20197229@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425704
On Thursday, July 20, 2017 at 2:51:01 PM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:

> You can’t back up your claim that reciprocity data exist....
> so it is you who is handwaving.

AND you too. At least I am working on looking for it. Are you?

> > If you never encountered it, you cant claim that it doesnt exist.

No answer? looks like you have been cornered again!

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#425652

Fromgehan.ameresekere@gmail.com
Date2017-07-19 20:28 -0700
Message-ID<926c6eee-64cd-4e2e-b21d-90d636c63b16@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#425600
On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 7:50:32 PM UTC+5:30, rotchm wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 11:43:18 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
> 
> > I asked you for actual experiment measurements and you never show them. 
> 
> I told you already; it will take me some time to re-find the data, time that i currently dont have. But *you* can search for them in the meanwhile. Also, write to a few sat/space agencies about it [pairwise timing verifications]. 
> 
> Or, you can "inexpensively" do the exp yourself these days.  
> 
> > So I assumed that your claims are not empirical......just assumption.
> 
> You make wrong assumptions again
> 
> > No such reciprocal pairwise measurements are available....
> 
> You are a reality denier. That wont get you far. 
> 
> 
> > > Something like that, but nonetheless, removing all those ambiguous 
> > > words and doing the math, we get that all pairwise sats receive 
> > > each others signal at the same rate; the time interval received by A and 
> > > the time interval received by B will be the same. Can you show 
> > > this using SR’s math?
> > 
> > It is possible that pairwise sat clocks receive each others signal 
> > at the same rate......
> 
> Exps show otherwise. 
> 
> 
> > that’s because they are in the same frame. 
> 
> No. Most pairwise sats (and the ones we are referring to) have a relative speed amongst them. hence they are in different (inertial) frames. 
> 
> 
> > just as two clocks on earth’s surface will receive signals at 
> > the same rate.
> 
> Clocks on earth are NOT in a same (inertial) frame. Only approximately. 
> And this is irrelevant to the discussion. Stay on topic.

So what are the calculations for the time dilation on each of the satellites in the reference frame of a clock situated at Mt Rainer for example at a specific height?

A simple calculation will show that t1 <> t2 <> t3 <> te, is that correct? What are the margins of error? 

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#425369

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-17 19:24 +0000
Message-ID<okj2tj$9di$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#425358
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 5:56:44 PM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
>> Yes, but It will take some time to sleuth around for the actual data. For
>> instance, most satellites (private comms, NASA) pairwise measure the rate
>> at which they receive the other's signal. Each sat in a given pair always
>> has received at the same rate. They do this for verification & timing test
>> of their equipment.

>But the satellite clock second for the GPS were redefined to have 4.4647
>more periods of Cs 133 radiation compared to the ground clock. So that means
>that the measurement were not reciprocal.

No, Stupid Ken, no matter how often you autisticly repeat that phrase, it
will never be correct.  The measurements are reciprocal. Deal with it.

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#424891

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-14 17:43 +0000
Message-ID<okavrm$t56$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#424835
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 5:28:32 AM UTC-4, gehan.am...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, July 7, 2017 at 8:52:03 PM UTC+5:30, kenseto wrote:

<snip Ken's incorrect interpretation>

>> For the nth time: two spaceships pass each other in space, containing
>twins and flying on the same plane but in opposite directions.
>>
>> A's clock runs slower than B, B's clock runs slower than A.

The correct statement is that B will measure A's clock as running slow, and
A will measure B's clock as running slow.

>No such symmetry exists in nature. The following possibilities exist between
>A and B:
>1. A accumulates clock seconds at a faster rate than B.
>2. A accumulates clock seconds at a slower rate than B.
>3. A  and B accumulate clock seconds at the same rate.

If we assume identical perfect clocks, it's #3 that's true, but this isn't
the point.  Because of the motion, each will measure the other's clock
as running slow.  Not a contradiction since they aren't measuring the same
thing.

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#424897

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2017-07-14 11:15 -0700
Message-ID<789761e9-48fa-4bdd-a2f6-0858b53d431a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#424891
W dniu piątek, 14 lipca 2017 19:43:20 UTC+2 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał:

> >> A's clock runs slower than B, B's clock runs slower than A.
> 
> The correct statement is that B will measure A's clock as running slow, and
> A will measure B's clock as running slow.

And shouldn't they believe THE MEASUREMENTS, poor
idiot, like you do?

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#424898

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2017-07-14 11:49 -0700
Message-ID<51280021-6cd4-4c23-870d-bdb69b186e2e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#424897
W dniu piątek, 14 lipca 2017 20:15:12 UTC+2 użytkownik mlwo...@wp.pl napisał:
> W dniu piątek, 14 lipca 2017 19:43:20 UTC+2 użytkownik Michael Moroney napisał:
> 
> > >> A's clock runs slower than B, B's clock runs slower than A.
> > 
> > The correct statement is that B will measure A's clock as running slow, and
> > A will measure B's clock as running slow.
> 
> And shouldn't they believe THE MEASUREMENTS, poor
> idiot, like you do?

Or maybe let's take it differently: should
they believe a mumbling moron telling them
the world is different than they measured,
in the name of Great Mystical Symmetry?

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