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| First post | 2017-07-10 23:00 -0700 |
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The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-10 23:00 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-10 23:01 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-10 23:08 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-11 16:06 +0000
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-12 08:12 +1000
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse Laverne Chandler <unvnh@ednawe.ee> - 2017-07-12 22:26 +0000
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-11 18:16 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-12 17:00 +0000
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-12 16:37 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-13 09:58 +1000
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-12 17:30 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-12 17:42 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse gregguikema@gmail.com - 2017-07-12 18:23 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-12 18:47 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-07-13 05:11 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-14 09:29 +1000
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-14 19:21 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-15 20:05 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-17 20:43 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-19 09:30 +1000
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-18 20:11 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-19 18:37 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-19 18:56 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 19:21 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-19 19:23 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-23 17:32 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-23 19:22 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-23 20:30 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-23 21:55 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-27 19:07 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-27 20:09 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 20:45 -0700
Re: The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-28 15:38 +1000
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-10 23:00 -0700 |
| Subject | The Light Sandwich Experiment and the Solution to Poincare's Curse |
| Message-ID | <db70ef01-623d-4a7e-89a4-11be6e0e24e6@googlegroups.com> |
http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers/View/1305
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-10 23:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5eb9cd3e-2154-442a-88ea-265297af4622@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424486 |
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:00:04 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers/View/1305 I want to talk about this paper because this idea may lead to the first one way light measure.
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-10 23:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <08c166d3-bc38-4a6d-9460-6f688684cfe1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424487 |
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:01:46 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:00:04 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > > http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers/View/1305 > > I want to talk about this paper because this idea may lead to the first one way light measure. We want to know a value of a one way measure when it comes to light. This will require sizeable objects which are measurable distance wise.
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| From | Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> |
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| Date | 2017-07-11 16:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ok2t1c$1b0p$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #424488 |
John Gogo wrote: > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:01:46 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: >> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:00:04 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: >> > http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers/View/1305 >> >> I want to talk about this paper because this idea may lead to the first >> one way light measure. > > We want to know a value of a one way measure when it comes to light. > This will require sizeable objects which are measurable distance wise. We don't get it.
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| From | "HGW..." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 08:12 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ok3igg$b4v$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #424521 |
On 12/07/17 02:06, Vern Garriott wrote: > John Gogo wrote: > >> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:01:46 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: >>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:00:04 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: >>>> http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers/View/1305 >>> >>> I want to talk about this paper because this idea may lead to the first >>> one way light measure. >> >> We want to know a value of a one way measure when it comes to light. >> This will require sizeable objects which are measurable distance wise. > > We don't get it. Gogo still thinks there is an aether. --
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| From | Laverne Chandler <unvnh@ednawe.ee> |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 22:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ok67nc$1sof$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #424553 |
HGW... wrote: >>> We want to know a value of a one way measure when it comes to light. >>> This will require sizeable objects which are measurable distance wise. >> >> We don't get it. > > Gogo still thinks there is an aether. Space. What is Space. Space is giving me a sensation of freedom.
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-11 18:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <023651ff-3ee3-4b34-97dc-4bc5ac780186@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424521 |
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:06:10 AM UTC-5, Vern Garriott wrote: > John Gogo wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:01:46 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > >> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:00:04 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > >> > http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers/View/1305 > >> > >> I want to talk about this paper because this idea may lead to the first > >> one way light measure. > > > > We want to know a value of a one way measure when it comes to light. > > This will require sizeable objects which are measurable distance wise. > > We don't get it. Here is the gist of the experiment: Setup: In a line of sight experiment: 1) place a light source A 5 kilometers from observer. 2) place a light source B 15 kilometers from the observer. 3) place a transmitter C 10 kilometers from the observer. Experiment: 1) Transmitter C sends two simultaneous signals to light source A and light source B and acts as a midpoint. 2) Light source A and light source B are thereby illuminated at the same time. 3) Light source A and light source B are both large enough to be SEEN by the observer. Theoretical conclusion: 1) conventional theory assumes light source A will be observed before light source B since light source A is situated closer to the observers because light universally travels 300,000 meters per second. 2) My theory assumes that light source A and light source B will be SEEN INSTANTLY by the observer at the same time, since I do not believed that observed light contains a physical quantity.
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| From | Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 17:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ok5kji$11lc$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #424576 |
John Gogo wrote: >> > We want to know a value of a one way measure when it comes to light. >> > This will require sizeable objects which are measurable distance >> > wise. >> >> We don't get it. > > Here is the gist of the experiment: Setup: In a line of sight experiment: > Theoretical conclusion: What other form of conclusions are there?
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 16:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1aac3b0f-a2db-4161-b4f0-dbaa734f4105@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424625 |
On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:00:39 PM UTC-5, Vern Garriott wrote: > John Gogo wrote: > > >> > We want to know a value of a one way measure when it comes to light. > >> > This will require sizeable objects which are measurable distance > >> > wise. > >> > >> We don't get it. > > > > Here is the gist of the experiment: Setup: In a line of sight experiment: > > Theoretical conclusion: > > What other form of conclusions are there? c+v, c-v theories- but they have been debunked starting with Michelson.
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| From | "HGW..." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-07-13 09:58 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ok6d3s$4ha$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #424576 |
On 12/07/17 11:16, John Gogo wrote: > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:06:10 AM UTC-5, Vern Garriott wrote: >> >> We don't get it. > > Here is the gist of the experiment: > > Setup: > > In a line of sight experiment: 1) place a light source A 5 kilometers > from observer. 2) place a light source B 15 kilometers from the > observer. 3) place a transmitter C 10 kilometers from the observer. > > Experiment: > > 1) Transmitter C sends two simultaneous signals to light source A and > light source B and acts as a midpoint. 2) Light source A and light > source B are thereby illuminated at the same time. 3) Light source A > and light source B are both large enough to be SEEN by the observer. > > Theoretical conclusion: 1) conventional theory assumes light source A > will be observed before light source B since light source A is > situated closer to the observers because light universally travels > 300,000 meters per second. 2) My theory assumes that light source A > and light source B will be SEEN INSTANTLY by the observer at the same > time, since I do not believed that observed light contains a physical > quantity. Your theory is insane, like you. If true we would hear satellite TV broadcasts instantly. ....and by the way, light travels at 30,000,000 meters per second. --
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 17:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <58298940-962d-4592-ad50-137495988600@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424663 |
On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 6:58:56 PM UTC-5, HGW... wrote: > On 12/07/17 11:16, John Gogo wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:06:10 AM UTC-5, Vern Garriott wrote: > > >> > >> We don't get it. > > > > Here is the gist of the experiment: > > > > Setup: > > > > In a line of sight experiment: 1) place a light source A 5 kilometers > > from observer. 2) place a light source B 15 kilometers from the > > observer. 3) place a transmitter C 10 kilometers from the observer. > > > > Experiment: > > > > 1) Transmitter C sends two simultaneous signals to light source A and > > light source B and acts as a midpoint. 2) Light source A and light > > source B are thereby illuminated at the same time. 3) Light source A > > and light source B are both large enough to be SEEN by the observer. > > > > Theoretical conclusion: 1) conventional theory assumes light source A > > will be observed before light source B since light source A is > > situated closer to the observers because light universally travels > > 300,000 meters per second. 2) My theory assumes that light source A > > and light source B will be SEEN INSTANTLY by the observer at the same > > time, since I do not believed that observed light contains a physical > > quantity. > > Your theory is insane, like you. If true we would hear satellite TV > broadcasts instantly. > ....and by the way, light travels at 30,000,000 meters per second. > > > > -- However improbable but true. It does not matter what you or I think in the end. Experiments will be performed and the truth will come out only to be replaced by newer better truths based on experimental observation. Remember, we used to think the moon was made of cheese.
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 17:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6ee6f63e-7987-4c2d-bf80-e60067671f3c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424663 |
On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 6:58:56 PM UTC-5, HGW... wrote: > On 12/07/17 11:16, John Gogo wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:06:10 AM UTC-5, Vern Garriott wrote: > > >> > >> We don't get it. > > > > Here is the gist of the experiment: > > > > Setup: > > > > In a line of sight experiment: 1) place a light source A 5 kilometers > > from observer. 2) place a light source B 15 kilometers from the > > observer. 3) place a transmitter C 10 kilometers from the observer. > > > > Experiment: > > > > 1) Transmitter C sends two simultaneous signals to light source A and > > light source B and acts as a midpoint. 2) Light source A and light > > source B are thereby illuminated at the same time. 3) Light source A > > and light source B are both large enough to be SEEN by the observer. > > > > Theoretical conclusion: 1) conventional theory assumes light source A > > will be observed before light source B since light source A is > > situated closer to the observers because light universally travels > > 300,000 meters per second. 2) My theory assumes that light source A > > and light source B will be SEEN INSTANTLY by the observer at the same > > time, since I do not believed that observed light contains a physical > > quantity. > > Your theory is insane, like you. If true we would hear satellite TV > broadcasts instantly. > ....and by the way, light travels at 30,000,000 meters per second. > > > > -- Don't be afraid to change your logic. As long as you are alive you are potentially valuable.
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| From | gregguikema@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 18:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <83dc551c-14ff-40e3-bae4-97a5f40ff4f6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424663 |
On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:58:56 PM UTC-4, HGW... wrote: > On 12/07/17 11:16, John Gogo wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:06:10 AM UTC-5, Vern Garriott wrote: > > >> > >> We don't get it. > > > > Here is the gist of the experiment: > > > > Setup: > > > > In a line of sight experiment: 1) place a light source A 5 kilometers > > from observer. 2) place a light source B 15 kilometers from the > > observer. 3) place a transmitter C 10 kilometers from the observer. > > > > Experiment: > > > > 1) Transmitter C sends two simultaneous signals to light source A and > > light source B and acts as a midpoint. 2) Light source A and light > > source B are thereby illuminated at the same time. 3) Light source A > > and light source B are both large enough to be SEEN by the observer. > > > > Theoretical conclusion: 1) conventional theory assumes light source A > > will be observed before light source B since light source A is > > situated closer to the observers because light universally travels > > 300,000 meters per second. 2) My theory assumes that light source A > > and light source B will be SEEN INSTANTLY by the observer at the same > > time, since I do not believed that observed light contains a physical > > quantity. > > Your theory is insane, like you. If true we would hear satellite TV > broadcasts instantly. > ....and by the way, light travels at 30,000,000 meters per second. > > > > -- with all due respect, Einstein's theory that claims time slows down the faster you move sounds insane to me. But most people agree with his theory today. Spatial Relativity and General Relativity are still theories are they not? I agree with Einstein but would like to see more testing to verify his theories. Light travels at 186,282 miles per second when reflected off an object in the distance. We need to know how fast light travels from a source where it emanates from. We do not know if radio waves and light waves travel at the same one way speed. It is a good theory but has not been tested yet (as far as one way light speed is concerned).
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-12 18:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <02ae1bfd-a0ce-46cd-a767-96179ced8f15@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424672 |
On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 8:23:26 PM UTC-5, gregg...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 7:58:56 PM UTC-4, HGW... wrote: > > On 12/07/17 11:16, John Gogo wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:06:10 AM UTC-5, Vern Garriott wrote: > > > > >> > > >> We don't get it. > > > > > > Here is the gist of the experiment: > > > > > > Setup: > > > > > > In a line of sight experiment: 1) place a light source A 5 kilometers > > > from observer. 2) place a light source B 15 kilometers from the > > > observer. 3) place a transmitter C 10 kilometers from the observer. > > > > > > Experiment: > > > > > > 1) Transmitter C sends two simultaneous signals to light source A and > > > light source B and acts as a midpoint. 2) Light source A and light > > > source B are thereby illuminated at the same time. 3) Light source A > > > and light source B are both large enough to be SEEN by the observer. > > > > > > Theoretical conclusion: 1) conventional theory assumes light source A > > > will be observed before light source B since light source A is > > > situated closer to the observers because light universally travels > > > 300,000 meters per second. 2) My theory assumes that light source A > > > and light source B will be SEEN INSTANTLY by the observer at the same > > > time, since I do not believed that observed light contains a physical > > > quantity. > > > > Your theory is insane, like you. If true we would hear satellite TV > > broadcasts instantly. > > ....and by the way, light travels at 30,000,000 meters per second. > > > > > > > > -- > > with all due respect, Einstein's theory that claims time slows down the faster you move sounds insane to me. But most people agree with his theory today. Spatial Relativity and General Relativity are still theories are they not? I agree with Einstein but would like to see more testing to verify his theories. > > Light travels at 186,282 miles per second when reflected off an object in the distance. We need to know how fast light travels from a source where it emanates from. > > We do not know if radio waves and light waves travel at the same one way speed. It is a good theory but has not been tested yet (as far as one way light speed is concerned). You belong here. There are some of the best minds in the world here. Enjoy.
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| From | shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-13 05:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <814ad3ca-8262-42bf-8b5e-2acd3e48f6c5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424678 |
John Gogo wrote:
> There are some of the best minds in the world here.
Hmm. They must have good reasons for never posting.
---Tim Shuba---
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| From | "HGW..." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-07-14 09:29 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ok8voi$1pob$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #424672 |
On 13/07/17 11:23, gregguikema@gmail.com wrote: >> Your theory is insane, like you. If true we would hear satellite >> TV broadcasts instantly. ....and by the way, light travels at >> 30,000,000 meters per second. >> >> >> >> -- > > with all due respect, Einstein's theory that claims time slows down > the faster you move sounds insane to me. But most people agree with > his theory today. Spatial Relativity and General Relativity are still > theories are they not? I agree with Einstein but would like to see > more testing to verify his theories. > > Light travels at 186,282 miles per second when reflected off an > object in the distance. We need to know how fast light travels from a > source where it emanates from. It travels at c relative to its source, which is some kind of 'field' (usually inside an atom or molecule). According to BaTh, fields are like local regions of 'classical aether', which act as a medium for EM wave motion as per Maxwell. When a field is disturbed, a wave is set up. Its speed is so fast that bits of the field (photons) are ejected at speed c relative to the field. At least I have a theory....nobody else has.....so prove it is wrong. > We do not know if radio waves and light waves travel at the same one > way speed. It is a good theory but has not been tested yet (as far as > one way light speed is concerned). OWLS can have any practical value. Speeds must always be specified relative to some other object. --
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-14 19:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c5e43148-6195-4647-ac2b-425f0876c10a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424576 |
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:16:41 PM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:06:10 AM UTC-5, Vern Garriott wrote: > > John Gogo wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:01:46 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > > >> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:00:04 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > > >> > http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers/View/1305 > > >> > > >> I want to talk about this paper because this idea may lead to the first > > >> one way light measure. > > > > > > We want to know a value of a one way measure when it comes to light. > > > This will require sizeable objects which are measurable distance wise. > > > > We don't get it. > > Here is the gist of the experiment: > > Setup: > > In a line of sight experiment: > 1) place a light source A 5 kilometers from observer. > 2) place a light source B 15 kilometers from the observer. > 3) place a transmitter C 10 kilometers from the observer. > > Experiment: > > 1) Transmitter C sends two simultaneous signals to light source A and light source B and acts as a midpoint. > 2) Light source A and light source B are thereby illuminated at the same time. > 3) Light source A and light source B are both large enough to be SEEN by the observer. > > Theoretical conclusion: > 1) conventional theory assumes light source A will be observed before light source B since light source A is situated closer to the observers because light universally travels 300,000 meters per second. > 2) My theory assumes that light source A and light source B will be SEEN INSTANTLY by the observer at the same time, since I do not believed that observed light contains a physical quantity. From the point of view of the observer- this is a one-way measure of light.
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-15 20:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b24fafe8-019a-4a0f-b0b7-4715e760e242@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424953 |
On Friday, July 14, 2017 at 9:21:48 PM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:16:41 PM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:06:10 AM UTC-5, Vern Garriott wrote: > > > John Gogo wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:01:46 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > > > >> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:00:04 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > > > >> > http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers/View/1305 > > > >> > > > >> I want to talk about this paper because this idea may lead to the first > > > >> one way light measure. > > > > > > > > We want to know a value of a one way measure when it comes to light. > > > > This will require sizeable objects which are measurable distance wise. > > > > > > We don't get it. > > > > Here is the gist of the experiment: > > > > Setup: > > > > In a line of sight experiment: > > 1) place a light source A 5 kilometers from observer. > > 2) place a light source B 15 kilometers from the observer. > > 3) place a transmitter C 10 kilometers from the observer. > > > > Experiment: > > > > 1) Transmitter C sends two simultaneous signals to light source A and light source B and acts as a midpoint. > > 2) Light source A and light source B are thereby illuminated at the same time. > > 3) Light source A and light source B are both large enough to be SEEN by the observer. > > > > Theoretical conclusion: > > 1) conventional theory assumes light source A will be observed before light source B since light source A is situated closer to the observers because light universally travels 300,000 meters per second. > > 2) My theory assumes that light source A and light source B will be SEEN INSTANTLY by the observer at the same time, since I do not believed that observed light contains a physical quantity. > > From the point of view of the observer- this is a one-way measure of light. There is no limit to this rule. For instance, the sun is seen where it lies in the sky and not eight minutes ahead as conventionally accepted.
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| From | John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-17 20:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <591eef37-d884-4a5f-82f9-ef6bbd6dc33c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424576 |
On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:16:41 PM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 11:06:10 AM UTC-5, Vern Garriott wrote: > > John Gogo wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:01:46 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > > >> On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 1:00:04 AM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: > > >> > http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Research%20Papers/View/1305 > > >> > > >> I want to talk about this paper because this idea may lead to the first > > >> one way light measure. > > > > > > We want to know a value of a one way measure when it comes to light. > > > This will require sizeable objects which are measurable distance wise. > > > > We don't get it. > > Here is the gist of the experiment: > > Setup: > > In a line of sight experiment: > 1) place a light source A 5 kilometers from observer. > 2) place a light source B 15 kilometers from the observer. > 3) place a transmitter C 10 kilometers from the observer. > > Experiment: > > 1) Transmitter C sends two simultaneous signals to light source A and light source B and acts as a midpoint. > 2) Light source A and light source B are thereby illuminated at the same time. > 3) Light source A and light source B are both large enough to be SEEN by the observer. > > Theoretical conclusion: > 1) conventional theory assumes light source A will be observed before light source B since light source A is situated closer to the observers because light universally travels 300,000 meters per second. > 2) My theory assumes that light source A and light source B will be SEEN INSTANTLY by the observer at the same time, since I do not believed that observed light contains a physical quantity. Actually, it was P.W. Bridgman who first suggested that light does not contain a physical quantity, quote from Miller of Bridgman: From the Lorentz transformations it follows that the self-measured velocity of light is infinite, and so it is not a physical velocity. Bridgman found nothing amiss in this result because it agreed with assuming that light is not a thing traveling and hence need no longer be thought of as having the customary "physical velocity". He proposed no alternative theory of space and time to include an infinite self-measured velocity of light. But he emphasized that this tack could lead to a theory that would be independent of the structure of light, though the "simplicity and mathematical tractability" indigenous to special relativity theory would very likely be lost. Bridgman considered the loss of these qualities to be worthwhile if it led to a theory closer to the requirements of the operational view. In fact, he continued, the "whole problem of the nature of light is now giving the most acute difficulty."
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| From | "HGW..." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-07-19 09:30 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <okm5ms$ue2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #425422 |
On 18/07/17 13:43, John Gogo wrote: > On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 8:16:41 PM UTC-5, John Gogo wrote: urce A is situated closer to the observers because light universally travels 300,000 meters per second. >> 2) My theory assumes that light source A and light source B will be >> SEEN INSTANTLY by the observer at the same time, since I do not >> believed that observed light contains a physical quantity. > > Actually, it was P.W. Bridgman who first suggested that light does > not contain a physical quantity, quote from Miller of Bridgman: > > From the Lorentz transformations it follows that the self-measured > velocity of light is infinite, and so it is not a physical velocity. > Bridgman found nothing amiss in this result because it agreed with > assuming that light is not a thing traveling and hence need no longer > be thought of as having the customary "physical velocity". He > proposed no alternative theory of space and time to include an > infinite self-measured velocity of light. But he emphasized that this > tack could lead to a theory that would be independent of the > structure of light, though the "simplicity and mathematical > tractability" indigenous to special relativity theory would very > likely be lost. Bridgman considered the loss of these qualities to be > worthwhile if it led to a theory closer to the requirements of the > operational view. In fact, he continued, the "whole problem of the > nature of light is now giving the most acute difficulty." This idea is not without merit. BaTh firmly believes that fields generally involve at least one unrecognized dimension...and so therefore does light. However, The fact that all EM takes time to go from A to B in our familiar 3D space gives it a conventional speed. --
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