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| Started by | Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> |
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| First post | 2017-05-20 15:28 -0700 |
| Last post | 2017-05-27 13:17 +0200 |
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Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-20 15:28 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 06:58 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 07:38 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-22 03:26 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Seki Ushisa <sis@iscauhw.ea> - 2017-05-22 12:21 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-23 11:24 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-24 07:21 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-26 20:47 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-26 21:00 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 01:16 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 10:40 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 09:32 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 03:21 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 13:01 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 06:50 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:37 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:45 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 10:48 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 20:36 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 20:56 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 08:08 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-28 08:33 -0500
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Sienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po> - 2017-05-28 15:17 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-28 09:23 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-29 02:08 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-28 23:30 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-29 02:21 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-29 03:41 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-29 13:59 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-29 05:16 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-29 14:54 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-29 16:59 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-29 09:22 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-29 21:06 -0500
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-29 20:02 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-31 08:44 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-31 21:01 -0500
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-31 19:29 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-01 09:25 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Drew Quintiliana <doiu@jfvmwd.oe> - 2017-06-01 17:01 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-02 07:53 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-01 23:19 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Drew Quintiliana <doiu@jfvmwd.oe> - 2017-06-02 10:11 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Drew Quintiliana <doiu@jfvmwd.oe> - 2017-06-02 10:33 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-02 03:45 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-12 12:44 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-13 07:09 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-13 09:08 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-13 19:31 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-13 12:23 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-13 14:44 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 05:05 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 08:25 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 10:23 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 02:28 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 02:39 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-14 07:29 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 16:59 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 08:38 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Julianna Eliason <nujasenea@wiwnwajau.nc> - 2017-06-18 09:36 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-14 15:28 -0500
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-15 10:16 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-19 11:18 -0500
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-20 09:47 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 19:02 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 13:46 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Legorické Atoru <oitiruc@rwuca.oa> - 2017-06-13 20:52 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-13 15:12 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 15:27 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-14 07:47 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-14 07:58 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 17:19 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-14 15:54 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-15 09:03 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-15 11:39 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-15 19:15 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-15 20:24 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-16 02:47 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-16 14:52 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-17 00:49 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-16 06:28 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-16 13:07 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-16 14:47 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-17 00:48 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-17 05:33 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-18 05:36 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-18 06:08 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-18 08:04 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-18 23:25 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 09:11 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 09:30 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-19 00:39 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-17 09:34 -0500
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-17 21:24 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-18 00:56 -0500
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-17 23:50 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-18 23:15 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-19 06:32 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Rhett Doucet <ttdh@etoe.ee> - 2017-06-19 13:34 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-20 08:31 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 17:58 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 18:19 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 18:41 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 09:59 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-20 10:12 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-20 20:27 -0500
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-21 10:36 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-21 18:22 -0500
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-21 17:21 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-21 23:08 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-22 01:43 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-22 01:49 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu (Daniel S. Riley) - 2017-06-22 10:27 -0400
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-22 12:42 -0500
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-22 21:54 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-22 21:27 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-16 03:22 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 23:39 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 00:00 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-14 04:29 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 04:36 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-31 08:07 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 18:06 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 18:29 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-31 09:41 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ernest Schwanenflügel <erwm@wanenf.oa> - 2017-05-31 17:10 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-31 14:44 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-01 07:10 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-31 23:11 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-31 09:40 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 18:48 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-31 10:09 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-31 14:29 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-31 14:45 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-01 00:06 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-01 09:34 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-01 07:56 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-01 17:33 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-01 08:45 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-01 05:24 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-01 08:14 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-02 07:41 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-05 22:37 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 07:45 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-05 22:54 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 08:04 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-05 23:29 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-06 09:35 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-06 09:44 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 07:15 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 23:04 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-07 08:10 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 17:24 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 10:09 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-07 14:07 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 23:21 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:51 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-07 20:13 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 07:42 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 22:55 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-08 07:53 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 17:11 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 17:29 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 06:46 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-09 00:28 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 10:04 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-09 01:57 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 01:59 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 11:58 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:03 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 03:17 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:18 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 03:26 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 14:27 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-09 23:42 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 09:35 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 10:03 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 01:52 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-10 08:20 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-10 18:03 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-11 00:00 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 09:42 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-11 00:51 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-11 20:58 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 06:46 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-11 23:22 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 08:54 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-12 00:11 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-12 05:42 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 15:18 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 09:28 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-12 00:32 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 11:46 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-12 03:11 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 12:14 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-11 21:15 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 06:54 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-11 23:09 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-11 23:31 -0700
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Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-27 05:38 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 06:56 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:38 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 17:28 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 15:35 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 15:49 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-27 06:22 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 06:59 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:41 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:49 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 10:54 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 20:41 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 21:09 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Sienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po> - 2017-05-27 19:21 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-27 11:36 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-27 11:51 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-27 13:14 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 08:26 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 09:49 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 09:33 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 01:23 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 11:00 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 09:38 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 11:41 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 09:48 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 12:25 +0200
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 10:39 +0000
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 03:33 -0700
Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 13:17 +0200
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 03:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3319ef82-a8cf-4b20-b4f7-354e2e00b076@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #423986 |
W dniu środa, 5 lipca 2017 12:13:38 UTC+2 użytkownik Gary Harnagel napisał: > Irrelevant. Einstein based the LT on the Principle of Relativity and the > invariance of the speed of light, both of which are experimentally verified. :) Your Shit can never decide, whether its rules are undeniable because they are results of experiments or they are undeniable because they are immutable mathematical truth. But the truth is what your fellow idiot said some posts above. Quoting: "depends on what coordinate system we arbitrarily choose." All these moronic wonders are nothing but consequences of your idiotic choices.
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| From | Oveho Trofyzikovu <zfeuur@ceuuwi.ku> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 11:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojihg6$1pe6$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423988 |
mlwozniak wrote: > W dniu środa, 5 lipca 2017 12:13:38 UTC+2 użytkownik Gary Harnagel > napisał: > >> Irrelevant. Einstein based the LT on the Principle of Relativity and >> the invariance of the speed of light, both of which are experimentally >> verified. > > But the truth is what your fellow idiot said some posts above. Quoting: > "depends on what coordinate system we arbitrarily choose." All these > moronic wonders are nothing but consequences of your idiotic choices. You have to choose a coordinate system, once you intend to make an Observation, wozy boy. Don't be a fool, Dr. Gary is perfectly consistent. You have to make sure you understand where something is consistent and where is it not.
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 04:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7cea0e2b-db8d-47fb-9300-c9f67961df8e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #423994 |
W dniu środa, 5 lipca 2017 13:11:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Oveho Trofyzikovu napisał: > mlwozniak wrote: > > > W dniu środa, 5 lipca 2017 12:13:38 UTC+2 użytkownik Gary Harnagel > > napisał: > > > >> Irrelevant. Einstein based the LT on the Principle of Relativity and > >> the invariance of the speed of light, both of which are experimentally > >> verified. > > > > But the truth is what your fellow idiot said some posts above. Quoting: > > "depends on what coordinate system we arbitrarily choose." All these > > moronic wonders are nothing but consequences of your idiotic choices. > > You have to choose a coordinate system, once you intend to make an > Observation, wozy boy. No, I don't, though it's often helpful, noname boy. And, anyway, the result of this observation depends on my choices. The difference is - you're too stupid to make such complicated choices consciously.
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| From | Oveho Trofyzikovu <zfeuur@ceuuwi.ku> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 12:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojil0a$1vd9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423996 |
mlwozniak wrote: > W dniu środa, 5 lipca 2017 13:11:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Oveho Trofyzikovu > napisał: >> mlwozniak wrote: >> > But the truth is what your fellow idiot said some posts above. >> > Quoting: "depends on what coordinate system we arbitrarily choose." >> > All these moronic wonders are nothing but consequences of your >> > idiotic choices. >> >> You have to choose a coordinate system, once you intend to make an >> Observation, wozy boy. > > No, I don't, though it's often helpful, noname boy. > And, anyway, the result of this observation depends on my choices. The > difference is - you're too stupid to make such complicated choices > consciously. Name one, wozy boy. Think again, Observations are meant to return Info. Info demands Coordinates. No Coordinate implies no Info, no Info implies no Observation. I implore you to reconsider. Por favor.
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 05:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8fa1e64f-18d9-4197-9678-00151ce7be74@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #423999 |
W dniu środa, 5 lipca 2017 14:10:54 UTC+2 użytkownik Oveho Trofyzikovu napisał: > mlwozniak wrote: > > > W dniu środa, 5 lipca 2017 13:11:05 UTC+2 użytkownik Oveho Trofyzikovu > > napisał: > >> mlwozniak wrote: > >> > But the truth is what your fellow idiot said some posts above. > >> > Quoting: "depends on what coordinate system we arbitrarily choose." > >> > All these moronic wonders are nothing but consequences of your > >> > idiotic choices. > >> > >> You have to choose a coordinate system, once you intend to make an > >> Observation, wozy boy. > > > > No, I don't, though it's often helpful, noname boy. > > And, anyway, the result of this observation depends on my choices. The > > difference is - you're too stupid to make such complicated choices > > consciously. > > Name one, wozy boy. Think again, Observations are meant to return Info. > Info demands Coordinates. No, noname boy, info doesn't demand coordinates. They are often helpful, but optional.
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| From | Oveho Trofyzikovu <zfeuur@ceuuwi.ku> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 17:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojj752$oad$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #424000 |
mlwozniak wrote: >> >> You have to choose a coordinate system, once you intend to make an >> >> Observation, wozy boy. >> > >> > No, I don't, though it's often helpful, noname boy. >> > And, anyway, the result of this observation depends on my choices. >> > The difference is - you're too stupid to make such complicated >> > choices consciously. >> >> Name one, wozy boy. Think again, Observations are meant to return Info. >> Info demands Coordinates. > > No, noname boy, info doesn't demand coordinates. > They are often helpful, but optional. You are so stupid, you can be arrested in my country. Info without well defined reference coordinates, implicit or explicit, is not Info but *_Noise_*. The first rule in the book. Ie '5Kg', '5⁰C', position xyz in meters or whatever, all comes by WELL DEFINED reference coordinate. How on earth you've been able to pass your electrical half-engineer exams?
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| From | Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 06:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <273c54fa-aab4-419d-b978-ed9669e8308d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #423986 |
Am Mittwoch, 5. Juli 2017 12:13:38 UTC+2 schrieb Gary Harnagel: > Einstein based the LT on the Principle of Relativity and the > invariance of the speed of light In order to arrive at LT and length contraction, Einstein claimed that one needs a two-way "synchronization" which is actually an ad hoc "conventional" Poincaré re-definition to the speed of light. , both of which are experimentally verified. > > > I would like to better understand the electromagnetic mechanism behind > > what Fuller seems to cryptically illustrate. Lorentz' formula seems to > > explain what was observed with accelerators. > > > > I don't deny this. However, I distrust Poincaré who iIrc is characterized > > like a butterfly jumping from one flower to the next one instead of > > consequently thinking to the end. > > So why don't YOU follow the mathematical logic for the derivation of the > Lorentz transform equations? I am aware of several not convincing derivations. Which one do you prefer?
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 16:33 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ojit44$1t8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #424004 |
Dne 05/07/2017 v 15:37 Eckard B napsal(a): > Am Mittwoch, 5. Juli 2017 12:13:38 UTC+2 schrieb Gary Harnagel: > >> Einstein based the LT on the Principle of Relativity and the >> invariance of the speed of light > > In order to arrive at LT and length contraction, Einstein claimed that > one needs a two-way "synchronization" which is actually an ad hoc > "conventional" Poincaré re-definition to the speed of light. It is equation, not definition. Learn it again, while you can. You keep this your fixed idea with stubbornness of high age. >>> I don't deny this. However, I distrust Poincaré who iIrc is characterized >>> like a butterfly jumping from one flower to the next one instead of >>> consequently thinking to the end. >> >> So why don't YOU follow the mathematical logic for the derivation of the >> Lorentz transform equations? > > I am aware of several not convincing derivations. Which one do you prefer? > Derivations are not to be convincing. They are correct or not. It is math. You understand it or not. Choose the one that seems to you easy to understand. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject.
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| From | Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 08:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0de01b24-7b99-4ce2-89f6-518e5a2f20b4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424006 |
Poutnik stubbornly denies what Einstein wrote: Am Mittwoch, 5. Juli 2017 16:33:16 UTC+2 schrieb Poutnik: > > In order to arrive at LT and length contraction, Einstein claimed that > > one needs a two-way "synchronization" which is actually an ad hoc > > "conventional" Poincaré re-definition to the speed of light. > > It is equation, not definition. Einstein wrote: "Definition von 'gleichzeitig' und 'Zeit' gewonnen" and "Wir setzen noch der Erfahrung gemäß fest, daß die Größe 2AB/(t'-A - t_A) = V eine universelle Konstante (die Lichtgeschwindigkeit im leeren Raume) sei." Einstein didn't reveal which Erfahrung he referred to. > Learn it again, while you can. > You keep this your fixed idea with stubbornness of high age. > > >>> I don't deny this. However, I distrust Poincaré who iIrc is characterized > >>> like a butterfly jumping from one flower to the next one instead of > >>> consequently thinking to the end. > >> > >> So why don't YOU follow the mathematical logic for the derivation of the > >> Lorentz transform equations? > > > > I am aware of several not convincing derivations. Which one do you prefer? > > > > Derivations are not to be convincing. > They are correct or not. > It is math. > You understand it or not. > > Choose the one that seems to you easy to understand. > > -- > Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) > > A wise man guards words he says, > as they say about him more, > than he says about the subject.
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 17:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ojivrm$b5b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #424011 |
Dne 05/07/2017 v 17:04 Eckard B napsal(a): > Poutnik stubbornly denies what Einstein wrote: No, you stubbornly misunderstand what is meant by that. >> >> It is equation, not definition. Use generally accepted English translation on English group. Or I will use Czech version. > > Einstein wrote: "Definition von 'gleichzeitig' und 'Zeit' gewonnen" and > "Wir setzen noch der Erfahrung gemäß fest, daß die Größe > 2AB/(t'-A - t_A) = V > eine universelle Konstante (die Lichtgeschwindigkeit im leeren Raume) sei." > Einstein didn't reveal which Erfahrung he referred to. Learn to understand what you read. It is equation valid for invariant vacuum light speed c, without an extra light speed definition. 2AB/(t'-A - t_A) is equal to c As for any constant speed v of anything, v = total_path/total_time. Again, it is equation, not definition. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject.
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 17:31 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ojj0hl$e68$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #424013 |
Dne 05/07/2017 v 17:19 Poutnik napsal(a): > Dne 05/07/2017 v 17:04 Eckard B napsal(a): >> >> Einstein wrote: "Definition von 'gleichzeitig' und 'Zeit' gewonnen" and >> "Wir setzen noch der Erfahrung gemäß fest, daß die Größe >> 2AB/(t'-A - t_A) = V >> eine universelle Konstante (die Lichtgeschwindigkeit im leeren Raume) sei." >> Einstein didn't reveal which Erfahrung he referred to. > > Learn to understand what you read. > > It is equation valid for invariant vacuum light speed c, > without an extra light speed definition. > > 2AB/(t'-A - t_A) is equal to c > > As for any constant speed v of anything, > v = total_path/total_time. > > Again, it is equation, not definition. > Analogically, if I consider air in rest, and constant speed of sound equation 2AB/(t'-A - t_A) = v_sound is not redefinition of the speed of sound. -- Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer ) A wise man guards words he says, as they say about him more, than he says about the subject.
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 12:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a1523036-9e7d-4bef-acbb-d5fb758be293@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424004 |
On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 7:37:43 AM UTC-6, Eckard B wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 5. Juli 2017 12:13:38 UTC+2 schrieb Gary Harnagel: > > > > Einstein based the LT on the Principle of Relativity and the > > invariance of the speed of light > > In order to arrive at LT and length contraction, Einstein claimed that > one needs a two-way "synchronization" which is actually an ad hoc > "conventional" Poincaré re-definition to the speed of light. Actually, it's a PRACTICAL convention since one-way has difficulties synchronizing clocks. > > both of which are experimentally verified. > > > > > I would like to better understand the electromagnetic mechanism behind > > > what Fuller seems to cryptically illustrate. Lorentz' formula seems to > > > explain what was observed with accelerators. Removing the Fuller Brush Man doesn't tell anyone who Fuller is. > > > I don't deny this. However, I distrust Poincaré who iIrc is characterized > > > like a butterfly jumping from one flower to the next one instead of > > > consequently thinking to the end. > > > > So why don't YOU follow the mathematical logic for the derivation of the > > Lorentz transform equations? > > I am aware of several not convincing derivations. Which one do you prefer? I gave it to you, but you never bothered to reply. Why should I give it again? If it was "unconvincing" then the fault lies with YOU.
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 12:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <w4WdnY10AeuMgMDEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #423981 |
On 7/5/17 7/5/17 - 2:27 AM, Eckard B wrote: > A serious reason for me to distrust SR was already that LT was based on > length contraction which was fabricated as to rescue the untenable aether > hypothesis. This is just plain not true. "Length contraction" is a CONCLUSION of the Lorentz transform, not any basis of it. Yes, Lorentz and Fitzgerald each considered "length contraction" before 1904. But go READ Lorentz's 1904 paper that derived the LT and you'll see it is not used in the derivation. TODAY we derive the equations of SR, including the Lorentz transform, from basic geometrical principles, without any reference to light at all. Einstein historically intermixed two quite different theories which we now keep separate: SR as a theory of geometry (only), and electrodynamics (both classical and quantum versions). A primary reason to separate them is so the transition SR -> GR remains purely geometrical, independent of electrodynamics. > I would like to better understand the electromagnetic mechanism [...] A modern derivation of the LT uses no electromagnetism at all: From the basic definition of inertial frames, elementary group theory shows that there can be only three transformation groups among them: Euclid, Galilei, and Lorentz. Only the last survives confrontation with experiment (which also determines its free parameter, c, to be equal to the vacuum speed of light). Tom Roberts
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| From | Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> |
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| Date | 2017-07-07 22:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ef3bdccd-cbf0-4d31-9729-79278b0a5bf3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424023 |
Am Mittwoch, 5. Juli 2017 19:08:40 UTC+2 schrieb tjrob137: > On 7/5/17 7/5/17 - 2:27 AM, Eckard B wrote: > > A serious reason for me to distrust SR was already that LT was based on > > length contraction which was fabricated as to rescue the untenable aether > > hypothesis. > > This is just plain not true. "Length contraction" is a CONCLUSION of the Lorentz > transform, not any basis of it. > > Yes, Lorentz and Fitzgerald each considered "length contraction" > before 1904. But go READ Lorentz's 1904 paper that derived the > LT and you'll see it is not used in the derivation. > > TODAY we derive the equations of SR, including the Lorentz transform, from > basic geometrical principles, without any reference to light at all. When FitzGerald and Lorentz independent from each other fabricated the idea of length contraction, they intended to explain Michelson's failure to explain his unexpected null result. This led much later to what Poincaré called LT. The history of G. Cantor's untenable but up to now not yet abandoned naive definition of an infinite set also exhibits numerous maneuvers to rescue something even by means of complicated systems of highly abstract axioms without any reference to numbers at all. > > Einstein historically intermixed two quite different theories > which we now keep separate: SR as a theory of geometry (only), > and electrodynamics (both classical and quantum versions). A > primary reason to separate them is so the transition SR -> GR > remains purely geometrical, independent of electrodynamics. Cantor claimed: The essence of mathematics is its freedom. I am not aware of a mathematical reason to prefer e.g. Riemannian geometry in physics. On the other hand, there are often unseen possibilities of interpretation. > > > I would like to better understand the electromagnetic mechanism [...] > > A modern derivation of the LT uses no electromagnetism at all: > > From the basic definition of inertial frames, elementary group theory shows > that > there can be only three transformation groups among them: Euclid, Galilei, and > Lorentz. Only the last survives confrontation with experiment (which also > determines its free parameter, c, to be equal to the vacuum speed of light). Which basic definition of inertial frames do you refer to? Does group theory obey reality? Does it distinguish between past and future?
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-07-10 10:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <g6mdnZZh2Y4bC_7EnZ2dnUU7_8xi4p2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #424233 |
On 7/8/17 7/8/17 - 12:11 AM, Eckard B wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 5. Juli 2017 19:08:40 UTC+2 schrieb tjrob137: >> On 7/5/17 7/5/17 - 2:27 AM, Eckard B wrote: >>> A serious reason for me to distrust SR was already that LT was based on >>> length contraction which was fabricated as to rescue the untenable >>> aether hypothesis. >> >> This is just plain not true. "Length contraction" is a CONCLUSION of the >> Lorentz transform, not any basis of it. >> >> Yes, Lorentz and Fitzgerald each considered "length contraction" before >> 1904. But go READ Lorentz's 1904 paper that derived the LT and you'll see >> it is not used in the derivation. >> >> TODAY we derive the equations of SR, including the Lorentz transform, from >> basic geometrical principles, without any reference to light at all. > > When FitzGerald and Lorentz independent from each other fabricated the idea > of length contraction, they intended to explain Michelson's failure to > explain his unexpected null result. This led much later to what Poincaré > called LT. Physicists also considered caloric, phlogiston, and aether -- that does NOT mean that modern physics is "based upon" them. Similarly, in deriving the Lorentz group, Poincare' considered the invariance group of the Maxwell's equations, not "length contraction" or "time dilation" -- GO READ HIS PAPERS, and you will find no mention of them in the derivations. Just like Lorentz and Einstein. "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" is a fallacy that you must learn to avoid. > [... further baseless ranting and raving unrelated to the subject] Tom Roberts
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 13:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f4d1f9ac-2159-4a39-acd8-2431f0f10a5f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #423981 |
Eckard B wrote Am Dienstag, 4. Juli 2017 00:35:59 UTC+2 schrieb Gary Harnagel: > On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 3:07:14 PM UTC-6, Eckard B wrote: > > Of course. Minkowski applied hyperbolic geometry which is formally correct > > while one more reason to distrust SR. > > Minkowski hyperbolic geometry is embedded in the LT. Didn't you know that? A serious reason for me to distrust SR was already that LT was based on length contraction which was fabricated as to rescue the untenable aether hypothesis. I would like to better understand the electromagnetic mechanism behind what Fuller seems to cryptically illustrate. It isn't cryptic. It is like Pinching a watermelon seed & having it shoot out from between your fingers. Once in motion, In order to stop its motion, it must hit another seed, depositing Its momentum into something else. It is explained by the physics of Bubble Pulsation a Medium & wave speed in a medium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_(physics)#Pulsation http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Sound/souspe2.html#c1 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/permot3.html https://goo.gl/photos/4ZbQXezcf4ryPUTo8
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-05 13:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bbf3eff1-36c5-4a5a-8bdd-0fa4ce341551@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #424053 |
Eckard B wrote Am Dienstag, 4. Juli 2017 00:35:59 UTC+2 schrieb Gary Harnagel: > On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 3:07:14 PM UTC-6, Eckard B wrote: > > Of course. Minkowski applied hyperbolic geometry which is formally correct > > while one more reason to distrust SR. > > Minkowski hyperbolic geometry is embedded in the LT. Didn't you know that? A serious reason for me to distrust SR was already that LT was based on length contraction which was fabricated as to rescue the untenable aether hypothesis. I would like to better understand the electromagnetic mechanism behind what Fuller seems to cryptically illustrate. It isn't cryptic. It is like Pinching a watermelon seed & having it shoot out from between your fingers. Once in motion, In order to stop its motion, it must hit another seed, depositing Its momentum into something else. It is explained by the physics of Bubble Pulsation a Medium & wave speed in a medium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_(physics)#Pulsation http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Sound/souspe2.html#c1 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/permot3.html https://goo.gl/photos/4ZbQXezcf4ryPUTo8 Pulsation Edit When bubbles are disturbed, they pulsate (that is, they oscillate in size) at their natural frequency. Large bubbles (negligible surface tension and thermal conductivity) undergo adiabatic pulsations, which means that no heat is transferred either from the liquid to the gas or vice versa. The natural frequency of such bubbles is determined by the equation (((3.33333333e-11 pascals) / (3.7037e-28 (kg / (m^3))))^0.5) = 3e+8 Hz
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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-07-04 10:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ojfkft$peh$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #423892 |
Dne 3.7.2017 v 23:07 Eckard B napsal(a):
> Am Montag, 3. Juli 2017 17:29:06 UTC+2 schrieb tjrob137:
>>
>> Yes ("shorter" = "less elapsed proper time") -- this is an ANALOGY to a
>> triangle
>> in the Euclidean plane. The geometry in a space-time plane is hyperbolic, not
>> Euclidean. That is:
>> d\tau^2 = dt^2 - dx^2
>> where t and x are the Minkowski coordinates on the plane, and \tau is the
>> proper time. Note the minus sign (where Euclidean geometry has a plus sign in > its equation for distance).
>
> Of course. Minkowski applied hyperbolic geometry which is formally correct while one more reason to distrust SR. I guess, Minkowski died from appendix rupture because he felt possibly wrong.
>
SR is formally correct and its predictions fit.
That is what counts, not your dreams of what is possible or not.
You should focus your distrust
to hypothesis with predictions that do not fit,
if they have ever any.
You repeat yourself by distracting with irrelevant details,
what is indirect mark of having no better arguments.
--
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.
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| From | mlwozniak@wp.pl |
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| Date | 2017-07-04 13:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0424accf-1377-4d6a-a207-dae9099b0516@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #423919 |
W dniu wtorek, 4 lipca 2017 10:47:32 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik napisał: > SR is formally correct and its predictions fit. Its predictions fit your gedanken, poor idiot.
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| From | Upech Bezradne <adeeia@bbzzeop.ic> |
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| Date | 2017-07-07 10:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ojnp14$1ktg$7@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #423919 |
Poutnik wrote: > SR is formally correct and its predictions fit. > That is what counts, not your dreams of what is possible or not. Not at all. Harshly dependent on the structure of the domain.
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