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Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition?

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  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-20 15:28 -0700
    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 06:58 +0200
      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-21 07:38 +0200
      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-22 03:26 -0700
        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Seki Ushisa <sis@iscauhw.ea> - 2017-05-22 12:21 +0000
          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-23 11:24 -0700
        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-24 07:21 +0200
          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-26 20:47 -0700
            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-26 21:00 -0700
              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 01:16 -0700
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 10:40 +0200
                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 09:32 +0000
                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 03:21 -0700
                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 13:01 +0200
                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 06:50 -0700
                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:37 +0200
                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:45 +0200
                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 10:48 -0700
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 20:36 +0200
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 20:56 +0200
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-28 08:08 +0200
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-28 08:33 -0500
                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Sienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po> - 2017-05-28 15:17 +0000
                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-28 09:23 -0700
                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-29 02:08 +0200
                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-28 23:30 -0700
                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-29 02:21 -0700
                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-29 03:41 -0700
                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-29 13:59 +0200
                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-29 05:16 -0700
                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-29 14:54 +0000
                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-29 16:59 +0200
                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-29 09:22 -0700
                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-29 21:06 -0500
                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-29 20:02 -0700
                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-31 08:44 -0700
                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-31 21:01 -0500
                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-31 19:29 -0700
                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-01 09:25 -0700
                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Drew Quintiliana <doiu@jfvmwd.oe> - 2017-06-01 17:01 +0000
                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-02 07:53 +0200
                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-01 23:19 -0700
                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Drew Quintiliana <doiu@jfvmwd.oe> - 2017-06-02 10:11 +0000
                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Drew Quintiliana <doiu@jfvmwd.oe> - 2017-06-02 10:33 +0000
                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-02 03:45 -0700
                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-12 12:44 -0700
                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-13 07:09 +0200
                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-13 09:08 -0700
                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-13 19:31 +0200
                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-13 12:23 -0700
                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-13 14:44 -0700
                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 05:05 +0200
                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 08:25 +0200
                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 10:23 +0200
                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 02:28 -0700
                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 02:39 -0700
                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-14 07:29 -0700
                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 16:59 +0200
                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 08:38 -0700
                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Julianna Eliason <nujasenea@wiwnwajau.nc> - 2017-06-18 09:36 +0000
                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-14 15:28 -0500
                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-15 10:16 -0700
                                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-19 11:18 -0500
                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-20 09:47 -0700
                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 19:02 +0200
                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 13:46 -0700
                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Legorické Atoru <oitiruc@rwuca.oa> - 2017-06-13 20:52 +0000
                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-13 15:12 -0700
                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 15:27 -0700
                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-14 07:47 -0700
                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-14 07:58 -0700
                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-14 17:19 +0200
                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-14 15:54 -0700
                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-15 09:03 -0700
                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-15 11:39 -0700
                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-15 19:15 -0700
                                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-15 20:24 -0700
                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-16 02:47 -0700
                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-16 14:52 +0200
                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-17 00:49 -0700
                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-16 06:28 -0700
                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-16 13:07 -0700
                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-16 14:47 -0700
                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-17 00:48 -0700
                                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-17 05:33 -0700
                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-18 05:36 -0700
                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-18 06:08 -0700
                                                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-18 08:04 -0700
                                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-18 23:25 -0700
                                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 09:11 +0200
                                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 09:30 +0200
                                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-19 00:39 -0700
                                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-17 09:34 -0500
                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-17 21:24 -0700
                                                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-18 00:56 -0500
                                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-17 23:50 -0700
                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-18 23:15 -0700
                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-19 06:32 -0700
                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Rhett Doucet <ttdh@etoe.ee> - 2017-06-19 13:34 +0000
                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-20 08:31 -0700
                                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 17:58 +0200
                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 18:19 +0200
                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-20 18:41 +0200
                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-20 09:59 -0700
                                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-20 10:12 -0700
                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-20 20:27 -0500
                                                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-21 10:36 -0700
                                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-21 18:22 -0500
                                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-21 17:21 -0700
                                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-21 23:08 -0700
                                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-22 01:43 -0700
                                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-22 01:49 -0700
                                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? dsr@mail.lns.cornell.edu (Daniel S. Riley) - 2017-06-22 10:27 -0400
                                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-22 12:42 -0500
                                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-22 21:54 -0700
                                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-22 21:27 -0700
                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-16 03:22 -0700
                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 23:39 +0200
                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 00:00 -0700
                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-14 04:29 -0700
                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 04:36 -0700
                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-31 08:07 -0700
                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 18:06 +0200
                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 18:29 +0200
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-31 09:41 -0700
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ernest Schwanenflügel <erwm@wanenf.oa> - 2017-05-31 17:10 +0000
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-31 14:44 -0700
                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-01 07:10 +0200
                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-31 23:11 -0700
                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-31 09:40 -0700
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 18:48 +0200
                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-31 10:09 -0700
                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-31 14:29 -0700
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-31 14:45 -0700
                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-01 00:06 -0700
                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-01 09:34 +0200
                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-01 07:56 -0700
                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-01 17:33 +0200
                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-01 08:45 -0700
                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-01 05:24 -0700
                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-01 08:14 -0700
                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-02 07:41 +0200
                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-05 22:37 -0700
                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 07:45 +0200
                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-05 22:54 -0700
                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 08:04 +0200
                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-05 23:29 -0700
                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-06 09:35 -0700
                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-06 09:44 -0700
                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 07:15 +0200
                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 23:04 -0700
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                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 17:24 +0200
                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 10:09 -0700
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                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 07:42 +0200
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                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 06:46 +0200
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                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 11:58 +0200
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                                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 01:52 -0700
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                                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-11 09:42 +0200
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                                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 06:46 +0200
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                                                                                                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-16 09:26 -0700
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                                                                                                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-17 05:07 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-08-17 09:18 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-17 10:41 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-08-18 06:04 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-18 06:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-18 07:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-08-19 05:47 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-08-19 05:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-17 09:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-08-18 02:52 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-08-16 09:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-08-11 13:52 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-10 09:18 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-08-03 08:54 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-02 23:43 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-02 06:19 -0700
                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-30 15:59 -0700
                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gibutsi Fumihazu <uft@wwhm.cu> - 2017-07-01 11:29 +0000
                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-01 06:16 -0700
                                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gibutsi Fumihazu <uft@wwhm.cu> - 2017-07-01 13:46 +0000
                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-10 08:04 -0700
                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-10 18:59 +0000
                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-07-10 17:59 -0700
                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-10 20:02 -0700
                                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-11 16:09 +0000
                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-07-11 21:12 -0700
                                                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-15 09:57 +0000
                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-07-11 07:53 +0200
                                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-11 16:10 +0000
                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-11 05:32 -0700
                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-08-20 14:44 -0700
                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-08 16:14 +0000
                                                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 09:31 -0700
                                                            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-08 16:33 +0000
                                                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 23:33 -0700
                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 14:27 +0000
                                                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 10:03 -0700
                                                                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 18:55 +0000
                                                                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 13:10 -0700
                                                                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 20:22 +0000
                                                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-10 07:59 -0700
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-01 07:21 +0200
                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-01 07:36 +0200
                                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-31 23:15 -0700
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-01 08:39 +0200
                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-31 23:53 -0700
                              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-01 17:57 +0200
                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Drew Quintiliana <doiu@jfvmwd.oe> - 2017-06-01 15:59 +0000
                                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-01 09:04 -0700
                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 14:03 +0200
                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-27 05:38 -0700
                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 06:56 -0700
                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:38 +0200
                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 17:28 +0200
                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 15:35 +0000
                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 15:49 +0000
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-27 06:22 -0700
                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 06:59 -0700
                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:41 +0200
                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 16:49 +0200
                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 10:54 -0700
                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 20:41 +0200
                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 21:09 +0200
                          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Sienkiewicz Emniak <iecunkn@swazine.po> - 2017-05-27 19:21 +0000
                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-27 11:36 -0700
                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-27 11:51 -0700
                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-27 13:14 -0700
            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 08:26 +0200
              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 09:49 +0200
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 09:33 +0000
              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 01:23 -0700
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 11:00 +0200
                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 09:38 +0000
                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 11:41 +0200
                    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 09:48 +0000
                      Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-27 12:25 +0200
                        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 10:39 +0000
                  Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-05-27 03:33 -0700
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#423795

FromBuck Millard <uiidbm@apsuw.dl>
Date2017-07-02 10:41 +0000
Message-ID<ojail4$73j$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#423745
W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC-4 użytkownik Poutnik napisał:

> As the consequence,
> you criticize a distorted image of SR you have built for yourself,
> presenting crazy ideas you think SR says.

If you don't understand SR, you are not doing that, but you don't  
understand Algebra.

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#423798

FromBuck Millard <uiidbm@apsuw.dl>
Date2017-07-02 10:52 +0000
Message-ID<ojaj8u$73j$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#423680
W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC-4 użytkownik Eckard B napisał:

> While Einstein's Poincaré synchronization was certainly inspired by
> Aaron Bernstein's unwarranted fictions, his Relativity of time was
> adopted by his teacher who called him a lazy dog and has been tought up
> to now. I guess, there is no way to rescue SR without sticking on this
> "synchronization".

You don't get it. Me too, can't understand what on earth is wrong with 
you, electrical engineers. SR is NOT about clocks and any synchronization. 
There is no demand of synchronization anywhere, in my Divergent Matter of 
the Moving Bodies Model.

Hmmm, these former electrical engineers sincerely believe they need clocks 
in order for SR to happen.

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#423800

FromEckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de>
Date2017-07-02 04:28 -0700
Message-ID<5628f0ba-3622-42f6-bb05-b915bc13e20c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423798
Am Sonntag, 2. Juli 2017 12:52:17 UTC+2 schrieb Buck Millard:
> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC-4 użytkownik Eckard B napisał:
> 
> > While Einstein's Poincaré synchronization was certainly inspired by
> > Aaron Bernstein's unwarranted fictions, his Relativity of time was
> > adopted by his teacher who called him a lazy dog and has been tought up
> > to now. I guess, there is no way to rescue SR without sticking on this
> > "synchronization".
> 
> You don't get it. Me too, can't understand what on earth is wrong with 
> you, electrical engineers. SR is NOT about clocks and any synchronization. 
> There is no demand of synchronization anywhere, in my Divergent Matter of 
> the Moving Bodies Model.
> 
> Hmmm, these former electrical engineers sincerely believe they need clocks 
> in order for SR to happen.

Your name doesn't sound Polish. If you are seriously intersted in a scientific dispute, you should point to a source that offers your model. 

SR dosn't happen. It is a theory that relies on putative "synchronization".

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#423804

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-02 13:57 +0200
Message-ID<ojams5$6sk$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#423800
Dne 02/07/2017 v 13:28 Eckard B napsal(a):
> Am Sonntag, 2. Juli 2017 12:52:17 UTC+2 schrieb Buck Millard:
>> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC-4 użytkownik Eckard B napisał:
>>
>>> While Einstein's Poincaré synchronization was certainly inspired by
>>> Aaron Bernstein's unwarranted fictions, his Relativity of time was
>>> adopted by his teacher who called him a lazy dog and has been tought up
>>> to now. I guess, there is no way to rescue SR without sticking on this
>>> "synchronization".
>>
>> You don't get it. Me too, can't understand what on earth is wrong with 
>> you, electrical engineers. SR is NOT about clocks and any synchronization. 
>> There is no demand of synchronization anywhere, in my Divergent Matter of 
>> the Moving Bodies Model.
>>
>> Hmmm, these former electrical engineers sincerely believe they need clocks 
>> in order for SR to happen.
> 
> Your name doesn't sound Polish. If you are seriously intersted in a scientific dispute, you should point to a source that offers your model. 

You got fooled by the well known nymshifting* troll** of the group,
who chnage ID by every few days, using generator of fake address
and name.

But it does not help him, as the patterns the generator uses,
and his manners follow him as a shadow all the time,
and you can easily recognize him on the first look.

* ID changer, trying to trick people he is somebody else.
  Sometimes a nymshifter even keeps conversation with himself,
  using more IDs simultaneously.
** posting intentionally provocative posts or topics
   to cause hot arguments, often on personal level

> SR dosn't happen.   .....

Theories do not happen.
Their predictions do, for given circumstances.
And that is case of SR.

> ..... It is a theory that relies on putative "synchronization".

Without math, that shows the Poincare sychronization
is wrong for invariant vacuum light speed,
your statement is not justified.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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#423810

FromBuck Millard <uiidbm@apsuw.dl>
Date2017-07-02 12:48 +0000
Message-ID<ojaq3n$btm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#423804
W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC-4 użytkownik Poutnik napisał:

>> Your name doesn't sound Polish. If you are seriously intersted in a
>> scientific dispute, you should point to a source that offers your
>> model.
> 
> You got fooled by the well known nymshifting* troll** of the group,
> who chnage ID by every few days, using generator of fake address and
> name.

How about posting Physics, instead of focusing on various people arriving 
here, huh? Is it something you don't know?

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#423815

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-02 16:57 +0200
Message-ID<ojb1dc$7i4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#423810
Dne 02/07/2017 v 14:48 Buck Millard napsal(a):
> W dniu piątek, 30 czerwca 2017 10:52:05 UTC-4 użytkownik Poutnik napisał:
> 
>>> Your name doesn't sound Polish. If you are seriously intersted in a
>>> scientific dispute, you should point to a source that offers your
>>> model.
>>
>> You got fooled by the well known nymshifting* troll** of the group,
>> who chnage ID by every few days, using generator of fake address and
>> name.
> 
> How about posting Physics, instead of focusing on various people arriving 
> here, huh? Is it something you don't know?

It is just you.
BTW, do not do what you complain against.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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#421955

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-06-08 08:00 -0700
Message-ID<a593ddea-b72c-437d-9b94-729fdd45b82c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#421950
9:11 AMtjrob137
On 6/8/17 6/8/17   12:57 AM, Poutnik wrote: 
> Speed of sound refers to any object 
> a physicist decides he/she would refer it to. 
> It can be wrt the medium, 
> wrt any stationary object, 
> wrt any moving object, 

Not really. Speed is ALWAYS referred to some coordinate system. You are free to 
construct coordinates in which the medium, the "stationary object", or the 
"moving object" is at rest. 

        One could choose inertial coordinates in which some object is 
        at rest, or one could choose rotating coordinates in which the 
        object is at rest (at the center of rotation). The speeds of 
        other objects relative to these two coordinate systems will be 
        quite different. But both could be described as "speed relative 
        to that object", making this phrase ambiguous or useless. 

> Speed of a car refers to any object 
> an analyst decides he/she would refer it to. 
> It can be wrt the road, 
> wrt another car it passes 
> wrt a going bicycle it hits. 

Ditto. 

> Speed of light refers to any object 
> an analyst decides he/she would refer it to. 
> It can be wrt any stationary or moving object. 

Ditto. 

Tom Roberts 

Like this Quantum pilot wave in a fluid medium .......

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nmC0ygr08tE

http://i57.tinypic.com/294ksba.jpg

(3.71295977e-28 meters) / (1.616229e-35 seconds)) * (4pi) * (1.01905293778^2) = 299792458 m / s


((6.6740800122e-11 Pascals) / (3.71295775e-28 * 2 * (kg / (meter^3))))^0.5 = 299792458 m/s 

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#421957

From"David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2017-06-08 08:18 -0700
Message-ID<692ba94f-b028-4315-b203-c144b9736ab6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#421955
((40pi) / (1.019089312072^2)) + (4^2) =
137

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#421959

FromEckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de>
Date2017-06-08 08:31 -0700
Message-ID<cff567a4-2107-4ed4-968a-13704ebebb3a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#421950
Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 16:11:32 UTC+2 schrieb tjrob137:

> Speed is ALWAYS referred to some coordinate system. You are free to 
> construct coordinates in which the medium, the "stationary object", or the 
> "moving object" is at rest.

I disagree. The speed of a wave or a massless particle or quasiparticle like a phonon has a natural reference, a non-arbitrarily chosen zero. Otherwise we couldn't ascribe an absolute value zero and consequently not a constant value to it.

The movement of a body, e.g. a car has not such absolute zero. We may refer it's zero to the ground. However, this is clearly an arbitrary choice. The earth rotates and moves wrt the sun. The sun moves wrt the milky way, etc. 

In case of acoustic waves in air, we needn't construct coordinates in which the air is at rest. Wallis' and his pupil Newton's absolute space as the scenario of God, Who was thought Absolute, wasn't clearly distinguished from Cartesian coordinates.  

 



> 
> 	One could choose inertial coordinates in which some object is
> 	at rest, or one could choose rotating coordinates in which the
> 	object is at rest (at the center of rotation). The speeds of
> 	other objects relative to these two coordinate systems will be
> 	quite different. But both could be described as "speed relative
> 	to that object", making this phrase ambiguous or useless.
> 
> > Speed of a car refers to any object
> > an analyst decides he/she would refer it to.
> > It can be wrt the road,
> > wrt another car it passes
> > wrt a going bicycle it hits.
> 
> Ditto.
> 
> > Speed of light refers to any object
> > an analyst decides he/she would refer it to.
> > It can be wrt any stationary or moving object.
> 
> Ditto.
> 
> Tom Roberts

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#421960

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-08 18:00 +0200
Message-ID<ohbs4e$flb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#421959
Dne 8.6.2017 v 17:31 Eckard B napsal(a):
> Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 16:11:32 UTC+2 schrieb tjrob137:
> 
>> Speed is ALWAYS referred to some coordinate system. You are free to
>> construct coordinates in which the medium, the "stationary object", or the
>> "moving object" is at rest.
> 
> I disagree. The speed of a wave or a massless particle or quasiparticle like a phonon has a natural reference, a non-arbitrarily chosen zero. Otherwise we couldn't ascribe an absolute value zero and consequently not a constant value to it.

> The movement of a body, e.g. a car has not such absolute zero. We may refer it's zero to the ground. However, this is clearly an arbitrary choice. The earth rotates and moves wrt the sun. The sun moves wrt the milky way, etc.
> 
> In case of acoustic waves in air, we needn't construct coordinates in which the air is at rest. 

There is no principal difference
between natural reference for speed for cars and sound waves.

Cars have natural reference in Earth.
Sound has natural reference in medium.

It does not generally mean ( in context of physics )
speed of a car/sound = speed of car/sound wrt Earth/medium.

Car speed   wrt Earth  is convenient and natural, but arbitrary.
Sound speed wrt medium is convenient and natural, but arbitrary.

Vacuum light speed naturally refers to any inertial coordinate system,
that is defined over chosen object sets ( and their distances ).

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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#421988

FromEckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de>
Date2017-06-08 13:27 -0700
Message-ID<36d903f8-3d82-41b1-86ff-e25b84d518ce@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#421960
Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 18:00:38 UTC+2 schrieb Poutnik:
> Dne 8.6.2017 v 17:31 Eckard B napsal(a):
> > Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 16:11:32 UTC+2 schrieb tjrob137:
> > 
> >> Speed is ALWAYS referred to some coordinate system. You are free to
> >> construct coordinates in which the medium, the "stationary object", or the
> >> "moving object" is at rest.
> > 
> > I disagree. The speed of a wave or a massless particle or quasiparticle like a phonon has a natural reference, a non-arbitrarily chosen zero. Otherwise we couldn't ascribe an absolute value zero and consequently not a constant value to it.
> 
> > The movement of a body, e.g. a car has not such absolute zero. We may refer it's zero to the ground. However, this is clearly an arbitrary choice. The earth rotates and moves wrt the sun. The sun moves wrt the milky way, etc.
> > 
> > In case of acoustic waves in air, we needn't construct coordinates in which the air is at rest. 
> 
> There is no principal difference
> between natural reference for speed for cars and sound waves.
> Cars have natural reference in Earth.
> Sound has natural reference in medium.

You have to admit that you and Roberts are wrong when we consider a stone 
that is thrown from one train to another one moving relative to each other. 
In this case one must arbitrarily decide whether the emitting or the hit train are the reference.
Does the speed of a bullet refer to a moving re ground cannon or to a differntly moving target? The decision is arbitrary, not natural. 


However, the speed of sound doesn't depend on any chosen point of view. It is not earth-centered, not sun-centered, and not galaxy-centered but does only refer to the medium.  

> 
> Car speed   wrt Earth  is convenient and natural, but arbitrary.
> Sound speed wrt medium is convenient and natural, but arbitrary.

Natural in the sense of non-arbitrary is the opposite of arbitrary. 

> Vacuum light speed naturally refers to any inertial coordinate system,
> that is defined over chosen object sets ( and their distances ).

Einstein used the often confusingly defined notion "inertial coordinate system" as he clearly wrote on p. 892: 
"... starren Körpern (Koordinatensystemen)"
[rigid bodies (coordinate systems)].

In this sense, the emitter is a chooseable coordinate system, and the receiver is also a chooseable coordinate system. Aaron Bernstein's rider on a photon is hardly a coordinate system, although Einstein was inspired by this fiction writer.     




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#422020

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-09 07:22 +0200
Message-ID<ohdb41$ue5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#421988
Dne 08/06/2017 v 22:27 Eckard B napsal(a):
> Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 18:00:38 UTC+2 schrieb Poutnik:
>>
>> There is no principal difference
>> between natural reference for speed for cars and sound waves.
>> Cars have natural reference in Earth.
>> Sound has natural reference in medium.
> 
> You have to admit that you and Roberts are wrong when we consider a stone 
> that is thrown from one train to another one moving relative to each other. 
> In this case one must arbitrarily decide whether the emitting or the hit train are the reference.

And where is our supposed error ?

We can choose as the reference the coordinate system of a stone in rest.
( even if it would not be a good idea.)

Any choice of a coordinate system is arbitrary.
Even choice of a natural coordinate system, as one choice of many.
We arbitrarily choose coordinate system, being natural or not.

> Does the speed of a bullet refer to a moving re ground cannon or to a differntly moving target? The decision is arbitrary, not natural. 

The speed of a bullet refer to a coordinate system,
where you evaluate it.  It is naturally arbitrary.

> However, the speed of sound doesn't depend on any chosen point of view. It is not earth-centered, not sun-centered, and not galaxy-centered but does only refer to the medium.  

Before making statement about speed of sound,
you should make clear what its meaning you mean,
as validity of statement depends on it.

1/referring to coordinate system where medium is in rest.
2/referring to arbitrary coordinate system

Would you speed of light in air during laser precise measurements
refer to the devices or to air ?

>>
>> Car speed   wrt Earth  is convenient and natural, but arbitrary.
>> Sound speed wrt medium is convenient and natural, but arbitrary.
> 
> Natural in the sense of non-arbitrary is the opposite of arbitrary. 

Natural in the sense of being close to human mind
is arbitrarily choosing the natural one,
not being given it in advance.

BTW, it is not the only possible natural choice.
Sun centric ecliptical system is natural system as well.
To me, arbitrary choice from natural systems sounds reasonable.

>> Vacuum light speed naturally refers to any inertial coordinate system,
>> that is defined over chosen object sets ( and their distances ).
> 
> Einstein used the often confusingly defined notion "inertial coordinate system" as he clearly wrote on p. 892: 
> "... starren Körpern (Koordinatensystemen)"
> [rigid bodies (coordinate systems)].
> 
> In this sense, the emitter is a chooseable coordinate system, and the receiver is also a chooseable coordinate system. 

Sure, is not it self - obvious ?

> Aaron Bernstein's rider on a photon is hardly a coordinate system,
although Einstein was inspired by this fiction writer.

Sure, is not it self - obvious ?

Light does not have its own coordinate system,
where it would be in rest. It has local speed c
wrt all locally inertial coordinate systems,
if I am widening the scope toward GR.



-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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#422022

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-09 07:49 +0200
Message-ID<ohdclo$2qv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#422020
Dne 09/06/2017 v 07:22 Poutnik napsal(a):
> Dne 08/06/2017 v 22:27 Eckard B napsal(a):
> 
>> However, the speed of sound doesn't depend on any chosen point of view. It is not earth-centered, not sun-centered, and not galaxy-centered but does only refer to the medium.  
> 
> Before making statement about speed of sound,
> you should make clear what its meaning you mean,
> as validity of statement depends on it.
> 
> 1/referring to coordinate system where medium is in rest.
> 2/referring to arbitrary coordinate system
> 
> Would you speed of light in air during laser precise measurements
> refer to the devices or to air ?

Similarly, to what would you refer
the mean sound speed v = L / t
between static sound emitter and receiver ?
( L = emitter/receiver distance, t = propagation time )

to coordinate system, where devices are in rest,
or to coordinate system, where medium is in rest ?



-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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#422122

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2017-06-10 00:07 -0500
Message-ID<ZJKdnXyV7oM246bEnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#421959
On 6/8/17 6/8/17   10:31 AM, Eckard B wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2017 16:11:32 UTC+2 schrieb tjrob137:
>> Speed is ALWAYS referred to some coordinate system. You are free to 
>> construct coordinates in which the medium, the "stationary object", or the
>>  "moving object" is at rest.
> 
> I disagree.

Your disagreement is merely YOUR problem, and does not change the FACT that what
I said is correct. This _IS_ what these words mean (in this context, i.e.
physics; in casual speech the meaning is not so precise).

	That's why your attempt to define "speed" without using coordinates
	is so ludicrous -- the word ALREADY has an explicit meaning. But
	you do not know enough about the subject to recognize your own
	incompetence and ignorance. I have already discussed this....

> The speed of a wave or a massless particle or quasiparticle like a phonon
> has a natural reference, a non-arbitrarily chosen zero.

NONSENSE! You are VERY confused and have missed a basic point of SR.

> Otherwise we couldn't ascribe an absolute value zero and consequently not a 
> constant value to it.

NONSENSE! You are VERY confused and have missed a basic point of SR.

We CANNOT ascribe any sort of "absolute zero" to ANY speed/velocity, just like
there is no "absolute rest".

	Newton got it wrong, and we have known this for over a century.
	Remarkably, the equations Newton derived assuming his absolute
	space work equally well using any inertial frame, without any
	reference to "absolute space". (The very same thing happened
	to Maxwell's theory of electrodynamics.)

For some phenomena there happens to be SET OF COORDINATES to which we normally
refer its speed:
  * a wave in a medium is normally referenced to the inertial frame
    in which the medium is at rest.
  * an automobile is normally referenced to the inertial frame in
    which the LOCAL surface of the earth is at rest.

	It has become ingrained in our psyche to use inertial frames.
	It is also ingrained to use those normal frames for these
	specific phenomena. Indeed if one uses anything else it is
	incumbent on the author to explicitly mention it.

There is NOTHING "natural" here [#], except humans' natural desire to make the
calculations easier.

	[#] I.e. Nature is neither involved nor consulted, and does
	not care which choice is made.

But for most phenomena, including light and all massive and massless particles,
there is no such "normal" coordinate system, unless the physical situation
provides one [@]. For instance, we can refer the speed of photons to the
inertial frame in which their source is at rest, or we can reference to the
inertial frame in which the detector is at rest -- the choice is OURS, and we
generally select the coordinates which make the desired calculations easier.

	[@] And many experiments do: the inertial frame in which the
	laboratory is instantaneously at rest.

Nature does not care which coordinates we use to describe her behavior, because
she clearly does not use any coordinates -- that imposes the constraint on all
physical theories to be independent of coordinates; indeed all of our modern
fundamental theories of physics are so independent (aka "invariant").

Note that in all cases there is NOTHING to prevent us from using some other
coordinates, it's just that in such cases as mentioned above there is a specific
coordinate system relative to which the calculations are easier.

> The movement of a body, e.g. a car has not such absolute zero. We may refer 
> it's zero to the ground. However, this is clearly an arbitrary choice.

Yes. ALL such choices are arbitrary, for any phenomenon.

	Being humans, and therefore lazy, we generally use this
	arbitrariness to select coordinates that make the calculations
	easier. Nature has nothing to do with this.

The exceptions you claim above are not really exceptions, it's just that you
don't understand this.

> In case of acoustic waves in air, we needn't construct coordinates in which 
> the air is at rest.

Right! See above.



In another post to Poutnik you said:
> You have to admit that you and Roberts are wrong when we consider a stone 
> that is thrown from one train to another one moving relative to each other.

Nope. It is YOU who is confused, not Poutnik or me.

> In this case one must arbitrarily decide whether the emitting or the hit 
> train are the reference.

Yes. That arbitrariness is INHERENT in the physical situation. One could also
choose the inertial frame of the tracks. Or any other frame....

> However, the speed of sound doesn't depend on any chosen point of view. It is
> not earth-centered, not sun-centered, and not galaxy-centered but does only
> refer to the medium.

One must CHOOSE to which coordinates one references any speed. For sound it is
so ingrained in our psyche that one must explicitly mention using any
coordinates other than the inertial frame in which the medium is at rest. Since
you did not mention any such frame, then "speed of sound" of course refers to
the inertial frame in which the medium is at rest.

	You confuse a human convention of speech with physical law.
	That's outrageous and merely demonstrates how confused you are.

>> Car speed   wrt Earth  is convenient and natural, but arbitrary. Sound 
>> speed wrt medium is convenient and natural, but arbitrary.
> 
> Natural in the sense of non-arbitrary is the opposite of arbitrary.

There is NOTHING "natural" about this, it's just that it is EASIER to use those
coordinates. The choice is indeed ARBITRARY.

Tom Roberts

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#422777

FromEckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de>
Date2017-06-17 01:06 -0700
Message-ID<5ad013aa-e60e-4745-a923-4eb38afc5435@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#422122
Tom Roberts, 

I disagree with you in all essential points. Having addressed many of them  within the many equally-named topics "Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition?", 
I would like you to ask you for your opinion concerning Cramer's explantion of twin paradox. Is it the only correct one? Are you aware of a better one? Is there a commonly agreed one. Did NPA declare their petition a success?


Eckard B

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#422778

FromEcembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee>
Date2017-06-17 08:13 +0000
Message-ID<oi2ob1$1hg3$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#422777
Eckard B wrote:

> Tom Roberts,
> 
> I disagree with you in all essential points. Having addressed many of
> them
>  within the many equally-named topics "Re: Speed of light in vacuum,
>  what
> definition?",
> I would like you to ask you for your opinion concerning Cramer's
> explantion of twin paradox. Is it the only correct one? Are you aware of
> a better one? Is there a commonly agreed one. Did NPA declare their
> petition a success? Eckard B

Are you NPA affiliated, Stephane?

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#422785

FromEckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de>
Date2017-06-17 02:59 -0700
Message-ID<5c331ce0-3a31-472b-b101-bd1029adfa2c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#422778
Am Samstag, 17. Juni 2017 10:13:24 UTC+2 schrieb Ecembre Abin:
> Eckard B wrote:
> 
> > Tom Roberts,
> > 
> > I disagree with you in all essential points. Having addressed many of
> > them
> >  within the many equally-named topics "Re: Speed of light in vacuum,
> >  what
> > definition?",
> > I would like you to ask you for your opinion concerning Cramer's
> > explantion of twin paradox. Is it the only correct one? Are you aware of
> > a better one? Is there a commonly agreed one. Did NPA declare their
> > petition a success? Eckard B
> 
> Are you NPA affiliated, Stephane?

I have no idea to whom you refer to.

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#423003

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2017-06-19 11:26 -0500
Message-ID<p9KdnQz0j87cZtrEnZ2dnUU7_8xj4p2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#422777
On 6/17/17 6/17/17 - 3:06 AM, Eckard B wrote:
> Tom Roberts,
> I disagree with you in all essential points. 

Yes. YOUR problem, not mine. I merely discuss how modern physics addresses these 
issues.

> I would like you to ask you for your opinion concerning Cramer's explantion of twin paradox. 

(repeating...)

     [https://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw38.html]
     Note the context here is SR.

While this article is not wrong, it does use archaic terminology and simple but 
potentially misleading phrases intended for non-experts (e.g. "the object's mass 
increases").

To me, "the" explanation of the twin paradox is obvious, once one understands 
relativity and the underlying mathematics:

     The elapsed proper time of a timelike path between points A and B
     (which lie upon it) is \integral d\tau, where \tau is the proper
     time of the path, and the integral is taken along the path from A
     to B. For multiple paths between A and B this obviously depends on
     the path. Moreover, the inertial path between A and B has the
     largest elapsed proper time of all timelike paths between A and B.

     Exercise for the reader: prove that if there is any timelike
     path between points A and B, then there is a unique inertial
     path between them. (This is SR; in GR there exists at least
     one inertial path, but it need not be unique, and in general
     they have different elapsed proper times between A and B.)

This is a direct analogy to a triangle ABC in the Euclidean plane: The triangle 
has two paths from A to B (AB and ACB) that clearly differ in length. The twin 
paradox, with instantaneous accelerations for the traveling twin, is just a 
triangle in a space-time plane.

 > [...]

The NPA consists of people who do not understand basic physics, or the math 
underlying it. Their opinions and attempts to write about physics are worthless.

Tom Roberts

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#423585

FromEckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de>
Date2017-06-28 10:30 -0700
Message-ID<818d44fb-5017-4b9c-85b8-ddb38051eb0c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#423003
Am Montag, 19. Juni 2017 18:26:47 UTC+2 schrieb tjrob137:

> > I would like you to ask you for your opinion concerning Cramer's explantion of twin paradox. 
 
> While this article is not wrong, it does use archaic terminology and simple 
> but potentially misleading phrases intended for non-experts. 
> 
> To me, "the" explanation of the twin paradox is obvious, once one understands 
> relativity and the underlying mathematics:

I read again Minkowski's "Raum und Zeit" and didn't find arguments against my one-way definition of c. So I don't understand SR as justified. Nonetheless, I appreciate your of course not unbiased and a bit incomplete but rather large collection of literature. 

> 
>      The elapsed proper time of a timelike path between points A and B
>      (which lie upon it) is \integral d\tau, where \tau is the proper
>      time of the path, 

The translation of "Eigenzeit" as "proper time" is a bit misleading because proper means real and satisfactory rather than inadequate. 


>      and the integral is taken along the path from A
>      to B. For multiple paths between A and B this obviously depends on
>      the path. Moreover, the inertial path between A and B has the
>      largest elapsed proper time of all timelike paths between A and B.

Wikipedia "proper time" illustrates proper time AB as obviously larger than the 
belonging "coordinate time" but calculates it as smaller. This might confuse. 
Anyway, SR is perhaps difficult to teach to any critical mind.  
I don't see questions of mine answered.


> This is a direct analogy to a triangle ABC in the Euclidean plane: 
> The triangle 
> has two paths from A to B (AB and ACB) that clearly differ in length. The twin 
> paradox, with instantaneous accelerations for the traveling twin, is just a 
> triangle in a space-time plane.

Hmm. Isn't AC + CB shorter than AB?
 
> The NPA consists of people who do not understand basic physics, or the math 
> underlying it. Their opinions and attempts to write about physics are 
> worthless.

Perhaps, SR is about as basic to physics as was Cantor's naive set theory and is the hyperreal line to mathematics. 

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#423694

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2017-06-30 20:58 +0200
Message-ID<oj66qa$hm3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#423585
Dne 28/06/2017 v 19:30 Eckard B napsal(a):> Am Montag, 19. Juni 2017
>
> I read again Minkowski's "Raum und Zeit" and didn't find arguments
> against my one-way definition of c. So I don't understand SR as
> justified. Nonetheless, I appreciate your of course not unbiased and a
> bit incomplete but rather large collection of literature.

There are neither arguments against unicorns in that work.
So I don't understand your definition of c as justified.
Nonsensical implication ? YES ! The same as yours.

Arguments against your definition of c are in physics and metrology.

SR is justified by
its formal internal consistency that is mathematically proven
and by agreement of its predictions with observations.
That cannot be said about the common sense.
You ignore that.

There is no two-way definition of c,
so using one-way adjective is redundant.

c is defined as 299 792 458 m/s.
Do you have other number ?

Prerequisite to evaluate SR justification
is SR understanding. For now,
you have troubles to answer
"How to maintain supposed but not verified absolute simultaneity
with the verified invariant vacuum light speed ?"

What you do is like repeating of a historical claim
"Jupiter moons cannot exist."
without simple verifying their existence.

> The translation of "Eigenzeit" as "proper time" is a bit misleading
> because proper means real and satisfactory rather than inadequate.
> People use proper time ( even if not calling it like that )
> since portable watches were invented.
> They usually consider it real, satisfactory and adequate.

The fact that difference between coordinate time interval
and proper time interval is negligible for everyday use
is lucky circumstance.

>
> Wikipedia "proper time" illustrates proper time AB as obviously larger
> than the belonging "coordinate time" but calculates it as smaller.
> This might confuse.

No, you have confused length of drawn curve of the object world-line
with the length of proper time interval. The space-time interval,
defined by 2 events, is independent on passed worldline.

As space-like component of space-time interval is minimal
for inertial motion, then for this motion
the proper time interval is the longest.

> Anyway, SR is perhaps difficult to teach to any critical mind.
> I don't see questions of mine answered.

Teaching critical minds SR is in fact easier.

They critically assess they own knowledge, skills and abilities.
They do not consider themselves superior out of their area of experience.
They do not put their conclusions above experimental evidence.
They know common sense often fails out of its experience.

Not seeing answers means just that.
Not seeing answers does not mean absence of answers.>

>> This is a direct analogy to a triangle ABC in the Euclidean plane:
>> The triangle
>> has two paths from A to B (AB and ACB) that clearly differ in length.
>> The twin paradox, with instantaneous accelerations
>> for the traveling twin, is just a  triangle in a space-time plane.
>
> Hmm. Isn't AC + CB shorter than AB?

You must be joking...

The point of this triangle analogy is,
that while both twins pass the same space-time interval between events,
the accelerating twin passes
the bigger space interval ACB of space-time interval Event1-Event2
and smaller proper time interval.



> Perhaps, SR is about as basic to physics as was Cantor's naive set
> theory and is the hyperreal line to mathematics.
If subatomic particles form Cantor-like sets
and move along hyperreal-like trajectories, that yes.

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )

A wise man guards words he says,
as they say about him more,
than he says about the subject.

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