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| Started by | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| First post | 2017-04-02 09:11 +1000 |
| Last post | 2017-04-25 08:59 +1000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 554 — 39 participants |
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A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-02 09:11 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-02 00:46 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-03 12:07 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-02 10:14 +0200
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. Nken Kajiura <unuur@wkjkj.ni> - 2017-04-02 12:55 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-03 12:02 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-03 10:04 +0200
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-03 14:36 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-03 08:47 -0700
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-03 12:44 -0700
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 15:28 -0500
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. Nken Kajiura <unuur@wkjkj.ni> - 2017-04-03 22:09 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-03 23:11 -0700
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. Nken Kajiura <unuur@wkjkj.ni> - 2017-04-03 22:04 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-03 17:12 -0500
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. sdru.product@gmail.com - 2017-04-03 16:44 -0700
non-coordinate basis (was: Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries.) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-04 21:28 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-05 20:54 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 08:38 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-06 09:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 18:56 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-07 21:57 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-09 08:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-10 11:48 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-11 08:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 07:51 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 07:35 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:46 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-12 21:39 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-13 08:30 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 09:38 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 02:05 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 09:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 20:56 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-16 08:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-16 09:49 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 11:22 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-17 11:07 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-18 08:55 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-18 10:22 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-19 15:28 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-19 09:51 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-21 09:39 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-20 17:24 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-22 19:19 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-22 05:05 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-23 09:43 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-22 20:19 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 08:57 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-23 21:20 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 18:10 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-24 05:31 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-24 05:58 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-25 08:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Lintervallen Ruther <rt@lweaevte.ri> - 2017-04-24 06:01 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 17:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 16:30 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-26 09:13 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-26 21:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-28 18:14 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-28 01:23 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-29 08:54 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-29 14:00 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-01 09:34 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 07:55 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 09:10 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 13:58 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:33 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:59 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 08:12 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 17:25 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 19:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-05-04 11:40 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:41 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-04 19:05 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 14:03 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-05 10:09 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 21:03 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-06 08:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 21:00 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 15:20 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-05 23:09 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2017-05-05 15:59 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-06 09:10 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 08:01 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:01 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:02 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-11 11:02 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-11 19:58 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Jean-Pierre Framboise <nctede@pmdcehr.cc> - 2017-05-11 19:25 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-12 11:31 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-11 18:56 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-13 07:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-12 16:56 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-13 09:47 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 11:29 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-14 07:43 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-13 02:39 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 11:32 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-14 07:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 00:13 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-16 19:51 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis 01405 <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 05:34 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-12 20:39 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 11:32 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-13 11:33 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-26 15:23 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-27 09:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-27 13:44 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-28 18:32 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-19 15:30 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 13:27 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 09:07 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 21:22 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Heki Entouba <buububu@enou3eh.ac> - 2017-04-13 20:34 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 10:42 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-14 14:34 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 12:53 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-14 14:39 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 17:06 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-14 15:28 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-14 15:31 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 20:56 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-14 23:26 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 12:47 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-14 03:55 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-20 10:38 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 10:57 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Loma Bibee <miube@oeeele.ei> - 2017-04-20 17:08 +0000
"How nature works" vs model making Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-26 21:58 -0500
Re: "How nature works" vs model making mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-26 22:48 -0700
Re: "How nature works" vs model making "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-28 14:18 +0100
Re: "How nature works" vs model making mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-28 06:40 -0700
Re: "How nature works" vs model making "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-28 20:49 +0100
Re: "How nature works" vs model making mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-28 14:55 -0700
Re: "How nature works" vs model making "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-29 21:42 +0100
Re: "How nature works" vs model making "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-27 20:28 +0100
Re: "How nature works" vs model making Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 09:59 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Loma Bibee <miube@oeeele.ei> - 2017-04-20 17:07 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-20 14:01 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Loma Bibee <miube@oeeele.ei> - 2017-04-20 19:25 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-20 20:01 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Loma Bibee <miube@oeeele.ei> - 2017-04-20 18:07 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-20 14:09 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-21 14:14 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Ubet Hitaosi <suetsu@tooube.ic> - 2017-04-21 21:39 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 23:43 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Ubet Hitaosi <suetsu@tooube.ic> - 2017-04-21 22:03 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-22 01:08 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-24 15:42 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 18:37 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-10 11:35 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 20:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 07:38 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 08:33 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-06 09:21 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 18:45 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-07 05:52 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-06 15:06 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-07 06:21 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-06 15:33 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-07 09:05 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 07:27 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-07 06:32 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-08 09:06 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-07 20:28 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-09 09:17 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-08 20:19 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-10 11:37 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-08 09:09 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 18:12 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-08 10:13 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 19:44 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-09 09:23 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-04-09 01:35 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-09 11:04 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 13:39 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Kimberli Mafalda Rotenberry <uetbbe@werrirroeb.ie> - 2017-04-09 19:19 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-10 11:39 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 08:09 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Jolie Osokuro <uuol@oowo.ou> - 2017-04-10 17:03 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-11 08:55 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Jolie Osokuro <uuol@oowo.ou> - 2017-04-11 11:23 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 07:41 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-10 11:46 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 08:11 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-10 06:18 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-11 09:03 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 07:59 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 08:06 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-11 15:41 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 17:45 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-13 08:40 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 09:00 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 09:41 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-04-14 01:45 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 08:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-14 16:19 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-14 12:14 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 11:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-17 12:36 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-17 07:27 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-18 09:13 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-17 18:53 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-19 15:38 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 10:44 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-17 12:31 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-18 09:16 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-18 01:30 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Nocasto Aboyar <oocaao@syeoby.ao> - 2017-04-18 14:33 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-19 15:42 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-12 12:36 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-12 17:15 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-13 08:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-12 21:44 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-12 20:16 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 09:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-13 17:20 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-13 17:28 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 11:11 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-16 18:24 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-18 09:19 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-18 01:34 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-17 20:14 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-19 15:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 09:22 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-19 15:35 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 13:58 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-20 08:19 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-20 11:09 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-20 06:06 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-21 09:44 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-20 10:43 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-20 21:28 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis physics.interuptus@gmail.com - 2017-04-20 14:00 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-21 09:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 09:45 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 13:33 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-10 11:50 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 08:12 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-10 08:42 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-11 09:07 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-10 17:18 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-11 10:54 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-10 18:36 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 08:09 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-11 15:44 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 10:36 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-12 04:21 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-12 04:56 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-12 21:37 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-13 08:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-04-13 08:58 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 00:35 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 09:40 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 15:27 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 06:32 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 09:12 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 20:59 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 12:06 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 13:06 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 20:57 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 23:12 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 11:36 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 13:33 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Wendi Maddox <ox@awdodww.oe> - 2017-04-15 12:10 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-15 14:14 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Iwakitok Yuu <yauuu@ikwuo.wk> - 2017-04-15 12:58 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-15 21:22 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-16 08:17 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 13:48 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 08:18 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 10:10 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 00:10 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 21:41 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 23:40 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 09:30 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 10:33 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-16 10:59 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-16 02:35 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 14:39 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 08:41 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 10:14 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-17 05:55 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 16:13 +0100
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Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 16:49 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-18 06:25 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Nocasto Aboyar <oocaao@syeoby.ao> - 2017-04-18 14:25 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 17:06 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Nocasto Aboyar <oocaao@syeoby.ao> - 2017-04-18 15:24 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 17:57 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Nocasto Aboyar <oocaao@syeoby.ao> - 2017-04-18 18:13 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 21:50 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-19 04:20 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 00:14 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-18 21:55 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 23:37 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 00:55 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-19 09:20 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 10:31 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-19 22:02 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-20 08:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-19 17:56 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-20 11:09 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-21 10:01 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-20 17:32 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-21 10:43 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 11:13 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-22 19:30 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 14:19 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-23 09:47 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:30 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-25 09:07 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 01:43 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-26 09:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 22:02 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-27 09:26 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-26 22:22 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-27 20:21 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-28 18:27 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 09:41 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-29 10:46 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-29 13:16 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-29 21:49 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-29 22:58 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-30 10:23 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 08:37 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-01 20:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 17:45 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-01 13:29 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 21:31 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-01 23:09 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-02 19:42 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 10:23 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-02 19:47 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:42 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-02 20:38 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-03 07:49 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 18:58 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 17:43 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-07 10:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-07 10:25 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-09 19:37 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-10 21:17 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Jean-Pierre Framboise <nctede@pmdcehr.cc> - 2017-05-10 20:44 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-06 08:59 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-07 10:51 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-07 11:47 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-07 00:40 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 03:17 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-08 10:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 13:56 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-06 17:43 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-07 10:56 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-07 10:22 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-07 12:09 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Bordamos Alamidade <dd@dsmdawo.ab> - 2017-05-07 17:43 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-08 11:00 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-07 21:03 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-08 12:13 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-08 06:14 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 08:23 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-09 19:41 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Lissa Hermes <isussui@aeawwih.es> - 2017-05-09 11:14 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-09 04:28 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-08 09:40 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-09 19:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-09 16:56 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-10 17:59 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 10:08 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 07:39 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-10 17:50 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-11 10:23 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-12 02:47 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-11 11:23 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-13 10:23 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-13 19:43 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-10 20:50 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-11 10:26 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-10 18:12 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-11 10:56 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-12 02:46 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-13 20:02 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-14 07:55 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-14 10:29 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-14 20:16 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-15 13:42 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-16 20:06 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 10:31 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-17 08:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 02:38 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-17 22:28 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 10:51 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-18 17:39 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-19 09:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-17 11:16 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-17 04:05 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-17 21:19 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-17 05:26 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-17 05:56 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-17 11:17 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-17 22:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-17 11:03 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-01 23:00 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:07 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 09:38 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-02 19:37 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:49 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-03 08:02 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 19:01 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Himère Bezuinig <numunenen@wgngiweig.mc> - 2017-04-30 11:28 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-30 16:04 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 07:52 -0500
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Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 09:41 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-02 19:36 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-29 10:33 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-01 10:02 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-30 20:20 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-01 20:21 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-01 04:42 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-01 14:04 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-01 20:57 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-02 19:36 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-03 08:32 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-03 18:20 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 08:10 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-05-04 19:10 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 10:18 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-01 21:10 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:51 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-02 19:52 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 19:12 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-03 04:16 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Ukabaru Hongetsu <uohio@ugutua.ic> - 2017-05-03 15:36 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 19:16 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Ukabaru Hongetsu <uohio@ugutua.ic> - 2017-05-03 15:43 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 08:18 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 17:24 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 19:22 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-04 04:30 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-05 10:41 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-04 19:14 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:39 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Ukabaru Hongetsu <uohio@ugutua.ic> - 2017-05-03 15:29 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 14:09 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 10:19 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-26 22:07 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-28 18:30 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-28 01:39 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-29 08:52 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-28 16:11 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-01 20:31 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-01 07:48 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-02 10:27 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-01 17:54 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:56 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-02 13:54 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-03 10:54 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:55 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 08:14 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 17:23 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-04 19:13 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-04 09:38 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-05 10:39 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 08:27 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-06 09:11 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 06:00 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-07 10:57 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 13:17 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-09 19:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 07:45 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-05-09 09:47 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 08:45 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Ubet Hitaosi <suetsu@tooube.ic> - 2017-04-21 17:53 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-22 19:22 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-22 19:28 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis 01405 <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 11:31 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-23 09:49 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis 01405 <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-04-22 17:13 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-23 10:55 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 08:48 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis 01405 <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 00:19 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 18:34 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-26 22:25 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-28 18:17 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:32 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-24 09:31 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-25 09:09 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-25 01:43 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-26 09:26 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 22:02 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-18 23:02 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-16 11:13 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 13:49 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-04-17 08:49 +0200
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-16 11:24 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 18:46 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Okoto Laki <tuuuknu@wnoowow.to> - 2017-04-16 18:16 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-17 10:09 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-20 10:48 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-13 13:55 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 09:46 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 11:08 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-13 18:49 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 11:15 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-16 18:30 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-18 09:24 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-04-17 17:34 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-19 15:51 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-13 09:48 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-16 11:09 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-16 18:48 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis Okoto Laki <tuuuknu@wnoowow.to> - 2017-04-16 18:40 +0000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-10 18:56 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-10 18:59 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-12 08:16 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-11 20:35 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-13 09:09 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-12 18:26 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-12 18:46 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-13 05:05 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 05:26 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-13 20:36 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-13 19:09 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-13 23:35 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-14 10:43 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-14 03:29 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-21 18:59 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 11:17 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-14 11:10 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-04-13 22:08 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-17 11:18 +1000
Re: non-coordinate basis "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> - 2017-04-09 09:28 +0100
Re: non-coordinate basis sdru.product@gmail.com - 2017-04-06 12:57 -0700
Re: non-coordinate basis Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-04-06 15:09 -0500
Re: non-coordinate basis Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-07 22:25 -0500
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-04 14:23 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-04 15:38 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-05 19:58 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-05 14:55 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Ralph Rabbidge. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-06 08:45 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-04-07 22:37 -0500
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-09 09:37 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-04-22 20:29 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-04-22 04:58 -0700
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-23 10:10 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-04-23 10:14 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-24 08:51 +1000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-04-24 14:50 +0000
Re: A Very Hard Question for Dingleberries. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-04-25 08:59 +1000
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 10:02 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oe5tum$lo0$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #417652 |
On 30/04/17 01:33, Tom Roberts wrote: > On 4/28/17 4/28/17 3:27 AM, HGW... DSc. wrote: >> On 27/04/17 13:22, Tom Roberts wrote: >>> If two relatively-moving observers measure the magnetic field from a >>> given bar magnet, they MUST obtain different values, or Maxwell's >>> equations cannot possibly be valid. Not even as an approximation to QED. >> >> What the hell are you talking about? > > I am talking about how classical electrodynamics models electromagnetic > phenomena. Apparently you know nothing about this. > >> If they measure it properly their method >> cannot affect the field around the magnet. > > This is one of the very few statements you have made that is true. > > But the field is the Faraday 2-form F, not either the electric or > magnetic "field" [#]. F is independent of coordinates, but both E and B > depend on the coordinates used -- just like energy and 3-momentum depend > on the coordinates used, and for a similar reason (they are COMPONENTS > of the corresponding tensor projected onto the coordinates). > > [#] The word "field" was applied to E and B before the real > issues were understood. This is an anachronism, and they are NOT > fields in the modern sense of the word. > >> They don't get a different answer. > > When they measure B, they do get different results, NECESSARILY. Because > B is merely 3 components of the projection of F onto the (locally) > inertial frame used for the measurement. Note that motion relative to > the magnet changes the magnitude and direction of the B field, and > induces an E field; F is unchanged. Tom, Tom, you, Bodkin and that terribly ignorant fellow Aylward, all epitomize everything that is wrong with physics today. There is a distinct lack of creative imagination. I have been telling you for years that space around a bar magnet is not the same as any other space. There is something going on within it...something that is invisible to us...probably because it involves a dimension that does not emit light and does not interact with ordinary xyz matter. It does however interact with electric charge, and with electron 'spin'. Naturally, if a lump of iron is placed near a bar magnet the field around it will be altered. Any attempt to measure the properties of a magnetic fields will unavoidably change its form and properties. That does not mean it is frame dependent. It simply means the field affects differently moving observers differently. The field itself will always be altered to some extent by measuring apparatus but that simply indicates a flaw in the measuring technique. Do you or Bodkin really think a working clock affects the flow of time? It would be a pretty funny universe if time was affected by every clock. >> You are confusing this issue with the fact that different movement >> relative to >> the field will generate an electric potential. > > Nope. YOU are just showing your personal ignorance. In different, > relatively moving frames, both E and B are DIFFERENT. The fact that you > don't know this shows you do not understand classical electrodynamics at > all (no surprise given the ignorance you continually display around here). > >> Again, you are confusing the affect the field has rather than the >> state of the >> field itself. > > Nope. It is YOU who is confused, and do not understand what the field > actually is. Of course this is merely one aspect of your COLOSSAL > IGNORANCE about physics. > > Tom Roberts --
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-04-30 20:20 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <9574d3c9-af92-4ff9-a93f-ff8d5b5cfeaa@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #417737 |
On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 6:02:35 PM UTC-6, HGW... DSc. wrote: > > I have been telling you for years that space around a bar magnet is not > the same as any other space. There is something going on within > it...something that is invisible to us... If it's invisible, what evidence do you have for its existence? Taro cards? Do you even realize that magnetic fields are all over the solar system ... and beyond? > probably because it involves a dimension that does not emit light > and does not interact with ordinary xyz matter. > It does however interact with electric charge, and with electron 'spin'. So do you use one of those ghost emf meters to detect it? :-) > Naturally, if a lump of iron is placed near a bar magnet the field > around it will be altered. Any attempt to measure the properties of a > magnetic fields will unavoidably change its form and properties. Well then, according to your idiocy, it's not a good measurement. > That > does not mean it is frame dependent. It simply means the field affects > differently moving observers differently. :-)))) > The field itself will always > be altered to some extent by measuring apparatus but that simply > indicates a flaw in the measuring technique. It indicates the reality that ALL attempts at measurement affect what is being measured.. It would be stupid to measure a nanoamp voltage source with a one meg voltmeter. > Do you or Bodkin really think a working clock affects the flow of time? Of course they don't. You are the king of straw man arguments.
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 20:21 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oe726o$380$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #417741 |
On 01/05/17 13:20, Gary Harnagel wrote: > On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 6:02:35 PM UTC-6, HGW... DSc. wrote: >> >> I have been telling you for years that space around a bar magnet is not >> the same as any other space. There is something going on within >> it...something that is invisible to us... > > If it's invisible, what evidence do you have for its existence? That's a funny question coming from one who is terrified of an invisible god thing with no evidence.... Taro cards? > Do you even realize that magnetic fields are all over the solar system ... > and beyond? Not having any scientific aptitude or experience renders you incapable of thinking beyond the obvious. >> probably because it involves a dimension that does not emit light >> and does not interact with ordinary xyz matter. >> It does however interact with electric charge, and with electron 'spin'. > > So do you use one of those ghost emf meters to detect it? :-) yes....basically. We use a quantity that also has that dimension to detect it. >> Naturally, if a lump of iron is placed near a bar magnet the field >> around it will be altered. Any attempt to measure the properties of a >> magnetic fields will unavoidably change its form and properties. > > Well then, according to your idiocy, it's not a good measurement. So according to your warped mind, all idiots and maniacs should be released from mental institutions...because, by your standards they are perfectly normal people.. >> That >> does not mean it is frame dependent. It simply means the field affects >> differently moving observers differently. > > :-)))) > >> The field itself will always >> be altered to some extent by measuring apparatus but that simply >> indicates a flaw in the measuring technique. > > It indicates the reality that ALL attempts at measurement affect what > is being measured.. It would be stupid to measure a nanoamp voltage > source with a one meg voltmeter. It would be but it could still be done and the right answer obtained if the internal resistance of the source was known. >> Do you or Bodkin really think a working clock affects the flow of time? > > Of course they don't. You are the king of straw man arguments. It's is the same argument you and Bodkin are putting up....... > --
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 04:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <7ea7109a-64a7-49da-b33e-72b6eeffc683@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #417752 |
On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 4:21:15 AM UTC-6, HGW... DSc. wrote: > > On 01/05/17 13:20, Gary Harnagel wrote: > > > > On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 6:02:35 PM UTC-6, HGW... DSc. wrote: > > > > > > I have been telling you for years that space around a bar magnet is not > > > the same as any other space. There is something going on within > > > it...something that is invisible to us... > > > > If it's invisible, what evidence do you have for its existence? > > That's a funny question coming from one who is terrified of an invisible > god thing with no evidence.... Straw man argument attempting to change the subject. > > Taro cards? > > Do you even realize that magnetic fields are all over the solar system ... > > and beyond? > > Not having any scientific aptitude or experience renders you incapable > of thinking beyond the obvious. Pot, kettle, black :-) > > > probably because it involves a dimension that does not emit light > > > and does not interact with ordinary xyz matter. > > > It does however interact with electric charge, and with electron 'spin'. > > > > So do you use one of those ghost emf meters to detect it? :-) > > yes....basically. We use a quantity that also has that dimension to > detect it. Where's the data? > > > Naturally, if a lump of iron is placed near a bar magnet the field > > > around it will be altered. Any attempt to measure the properties of a > > > magnetic fields will unavoidably change its form and properties. > > > > Well then, according to your idiocy, it's not a good measurement. > > So according to your warped mind, all idiots and maniacs should be > released from mental institutions...because, by your standards they are > perfectly normal people.. More straw to deflect from admitting that your pronouncements are pure baloney. > > > That > > > does not mean it is frame dependent. It simply means the field affects > > > differently moving observers differently. > > > > :-)))) > > > > > The field itself will always > > > be altered to some extent by measuring apparatus but that simply > > > indicates a flaw in the measuring technique. > > > > It indicates the reality that ALL attempts at measurement affect what > > is being measured.. It would be stupid to measure a nanoamp voltage > > source with a one meg voltmeter. > > It would be but it could still be done and the right answer obtained if > the internal resistance of the source was known. Which is exactly what the LT does. All that is needed is the relative velocity. > > > Do you or Bodkin really think a working clock affects the flow of time? > > > > Of course they don't. You are the king of straw man arguments. > > It's is the same argument you and Bodkin are putting up....... Nope. You either misunderstand the arguments or you are a liar.
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 14:04 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <CdudnYrmFdI-G5rEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #417737 |
On 4/30/17 4/30/17 - 7:02 PM, HGW... DSc. wrote: > [...] There is a distinct lack of > creative imagination. Everything I discussed has been known for about 100 years. No "creative imagination" is required to understand it, just a little bit of study. Apparently that is too difficult for YOU, and you prefer to "creatively imagine" all sorts of nonsense rather than spending the time and effort to understand physics. > [... descent into mysticism and nonsense] > That does not mean [magnetic field] is frame dependent. Regardless of your babbling, the magnetic field _IS_ frame dependent. Electric fields are generated by charges, while magnetic fields are generated by currents, which are just moving charges. In its rest frame a charge generates an electric field and ZERO magnetic field; in a frame relative to which it is moving, it is a current and in this frame it generates a NONZERO magnetic field (and also nonzero electric field). It is remarkable how you repeatedly insist on displaying your COLOSSAL IGNORANCE of very basic physics. > Do you or Bodkin really think a working clock affects the flow of time? It would > be a pretty funny universe if time was affected by every clock. Hmmm. Each individual clock has a different MEASUREMENT of time, because it can only measure time along its own path, and different paths can have different elapsed proper times. One of the major lessons of modern physics is to only discuss measurable quantities, so sensible people only discuss "time" as in what clocks measure. Your personal fantasies are irrelevant. Tom Roberts
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| From | "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 20:57 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <n7GdncVa_Me1DprEnZ2dnUU7-WHNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #417800 |
>"Tom Roberts" wrote in message >news:CdudnYrmFdI-G5rEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com... >One of the major lessons of modern physics is to only discuss measurable >quantities, so sensible people only discuss "time" as in what clocks >measure. Your personal fantasies are irrelevant. Sure, so, how about explaining how in an empty universe, time exists. Your personal fantasies are irrelevant. -- Kevin Aylward http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/gr/index.html http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/qm/index.html
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-02 19:36 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <9P-dnXfEIYNkuJTEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #417811 |
On 5/1/17 5/1/17 2:57 PM, Kevin Aylward wrote: >> "Tom Roberts" wrote in message >> news:CdudnYrmFdI-G5rEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com... >> One of the major lessons of modern physics is to only discuss measurable >> quantities, so sensible people only discuss "time" as in what clocks measure. >> Your personal fantasies are irrelevant. > > Sure, so, how about explaining how in an empty universe, time exists. That is a PUN on "exists". The usual meaning of "X exists" is that X is some thing/object in the real world. That cannot possibly apply to time. There is no need to worry about an empty universe, because the universe we inhabit is clearly not empty. We can MODEL an empty universe; in GR the model includes a spacetime manifold on which one can apply a time coordinate. whether that is really "time" depends on what one means by that fungible word. If "time is what clocks measure" then in an empty universe there are no clocks, and thus no time. Tom Roberts
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| From | "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-05-03 08:32 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <6aKdnTvctq7oGpTEnZ2dnUU7-SfNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #417917 |
"Tom Roberts" wrote in message news:9P-dnXfEIYNkuJTEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com... >On 5/1/17 5/1/17 2:57 PM, Kevin Aylward wrote: >>> "Tom Roberts" wrote in message >>> news:CdudnYrmFdI-G5rEnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com... >>> One of the major lessons of modern physics is to only discuss measurable >>> quantities, so sensible people only discuss "time" as in what clocks >>> measure. >>> Your personal fantasies are irrelevant. > >> Sure, so, how about explaining how in an empty universe, time exists. >That is a PUN on "exists". The usual meaning of "X exists" is that X is >some thing/object in the real world. That cannot possibly apply to time. Time is bookkeeping on the change of position of objects. This bookkeeping does not exist without objects. One can setup, in principle, a one-one relation between the positions of objects and its bookkeeper. Apparently, the bookkeepers of both time and space is a process involving the speed of light. Space at atomic level, is clearly defined by the time it takes light to move from one place to another, there being no other rulers available, it would seem. >There is no need to worry about an empty universe, because the universe we >inhabit is clearly not empty. >We can MODEL an empty universe; in GR the model includes a >spacetime manifold on which one can apply a time coordinate. >whether that is really "time" depends on what one means by >that fungible word. If "time is what clocks measure" then >in an empty universe there are no clocks, and thus no time. The need to be concerned about an empty universe and its relevance to time, is that it tells us absolutely that it is the existence of objects that create the process of time and space in a full universe. This tells us that the virtual infinitely thin mental line drawings of "space-time" don't exit, and that such a model is a pure mathematical behavioural model. It tells us that we cant blindly apply the variables of "space-time" to conclude that certain results naively predicted from GR, such as time travel to the past, are valid. It tells us that curved-space as a physical explanation of motion is vacuous. Again, most have the questions backwards. There needs to be a physical reason why objects travel in straight lines in "flat space", not why they don't in "curved space". Why don't objects just move about randomly? In an empty universe, there are no laws of physics, as I have noted many times, laws of physics such as E=MC^2 requires M and C to exist, so there would be no laws to make objects move in straight lines. The naturalness of straight line motion is simply prejudice indoctrinated since childhood. This is a real, physical universe, as such why any object does anything at all, needs a physical explanation. GR says what objects do. Without understanding the mechanism of what creates time and space, GR is a non explanation with a beliefs held equivalent to the emperors new clothes. -- Kevin Aylward http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/gr/index.html http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/qm/index.html
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| From | "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-05-03 18:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <hJidnSjENIfsjJfEnZ2dnUU7-a_NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #417941 |
>"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message >news:6aKdnTvctq7oGpTEnZ2dnUU7-SfNnZ2d@giganews.com... >>There is no need to worry about an empty universe, because the universe we >>inhabit is clearly not empty. >>We can MODEL an empty universe; in GR the model includes a >>spacetime manifold on which one can apply a time coordinate. >>whether that is really "time" depends on what one means by >>that fungible word. If "time is what clocks measure" then >>in an empty universe there are no clocks, and thus no time. >It tells us that curved-space as a physical explanation of motion is >vacuous. addition: Well, ahmmm...Interestingly, I just discovered this today on the net, after writing the above. Its a from Steven Weinberg - "Gravitation and Cosmology: Principles and Applications Of Relativity" 1972 "Text books geometric ideas were given a starring role, so that a student who asked why the gravitational field is represented by a metric tensor [or] freely flowing particles move on geodesics [or] the field equations are generally covariant would come away with an impression this [was because] space-time is a Riemannian manifold... This was Einstein's point of view... [but] the geometric approach has driven a wedge between general relativity and the theory of elementary particles ...[we no longer] expect that the strong, weak and electromagnetic interactions can be understood in geometrical terms, and too great an emphasis on geometry can only obscure the deep connection between gravitation and the rest of physics...In place of Riemannian geometry, I have based the discussion of general relativity on a principle derived from experiment: the Principle of the Equivalence of Gravitation and Inertia." I guess no one was listening, or he changed his mind. imo, I just think many just think its real cool to tell the masses that forces don't exist, its all just space and time. Right on dude... -- Kevin Aylward http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/gr/index.html http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/qm/index.html
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-05-04 08:10 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oedkgs$1cqu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #417963 |
On 04/05/17 03:20, Kevin Aylward wrote: >> "Kevin Aylward" wrote in message > > I guess no one was listening, or he changed his mind. > > > imo, I just think many just think its real cool to tell the masses > that forces don't exist, its all just space and time. Right on > dude... There is nothing in the maths of modern physics that explains action-at-a-distance. There just a lot of mathematical baloney that expresses the effects in a multitude of ways without really discovering anything new. No wonder physics is dead.. --
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| From | "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-05-04 19:10 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <aJGdnRYf4LgN85bEnZ2dnUU7-KnNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #417974 |
"HGW... DSc." wrote in message news:oedkgs$1cqu$1@gioia.aioe.org... On 04/05/17 03:20, Kevin Aylward wrote: >> "Kevin Aylward" wrote in message > >> I guess no one was listening, or he changed his mind. > > >> imo, I just think many just think its real cool to tell the masses >> that forces don't exist, its all just space and time. Right on >> dude... >There is nothing in the maths of modern physics that explains >action-at-a-distance. >There just a lot of mathematical baloney that expresses the effects in >a multitude of ways without really discovering anything new. I quite like particle momentum exchange approach. Other than that, what is there that makes physical sense, I ask? The Dirac Equation resulted in the discovery of positrons, and without which this, world would be a much sadder place without the likes of Lieutenant Commander Data. -- Kevin Aylward http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/gr/index.html http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/qm/index.html
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-05-02 10:18 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oe8j7r$t0l$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #417800 |
On 02/05/17 05:04, Tom Roberts wrote: > On 4/30/17 4/30/17 - 7:02 PM, HGW... DSc. wrote: >> [...] There is a distinct lack of >> creative imagination. > > Everything I discussed has been known for about 100 years. No "creative > imagination" is required to understand it, just a little bit of study. > Apparently that is too difficult for YOU, and you prefer to "creatively > imagine" all sorts of nonsense rather than spending the time and effort > to understand physics. > >> [... descent into mysticism and nonsense] >> That does not mean [magnetic field] is frame dependent. > > Regardless of your babbling, the magnetic field _IS_ frame dependent. > > Electric fields are generated by charges, while magnetic > fields are generated by currents, which are just moving > charges. In its rest frame a charge generates an electric > field and ZERO magnetic field; in a frame relative to which > it is moving, it is a current and in this frame it generates > a NONZERO magnetic field (and also nonzero electric field). Oh dear! Tom still doesn't understand the PoR. The charges are never 'MOVING'. They are always at rest and surrounded by an electric field. Other objects move relative to them and different amounts of magnetism are induced in each moving frame. The magnetism is not a property of the charges. What happens if charges are placed around a loop as they always are when current is produced, for instance in a conducting ring. If the ring is caused to rotate...but not the charges...what happens? According to you, nothing. There would be no magnetic field. Interesting...if a solenoid is made to spin at the same speed as an electron flow induced in it, it should produce no magnetic field. Tom said so. > It is remarkable how you repeatedly insist on displaying your COLOSSAL > IGNORANCE of very basic physics. Tom you have a bad habit of not reading what other people say. My claim was that the field around a bar magnet is NOT frame dependent. There are no moving charges involved in a bar magnet....apart from the electrons in the Fe atoms...and they aren't going anywhere. >> Do you or Bodkin really think a working clock affects the flow of >> time? It would >> be a pretty funny universe if time was affected by every clock. > > Hmmm. Each individual clock has a different MEASUREMENT of time, because > it can only measure time along its own path, and different paths can > have different elapsed proper times. All correctly synched clocks anywhere indicate the same absolute instant of time. > One of the major lessons of modern physics is to only discuss measurable > quantities, so sensible people only discuss "time" as in what clocks > measure. Your personal fantasies are irrelevant. TIME existed long before the first clock appeared. Clocks were invented by humans in order to improve on their biological timepieces, which are quite unreliable. Every perfect clock in the universe has a fixed rate relative to every other clock. > Tom Roberts --
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-01 21:10 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <223c2ee3-c5a9-4fcd-badb-25fca570071f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #417834 |
On Monday, May 1, 2017 at 6:18:08 PM UTC-6, HGW... DSc. wrote: > > On 02/05/17 05:04, Tom Roberts wrote: > > On 4/30/17 4/30/17 - 7:02 PM, HGW... DSc. wrote: > >> [...] There is a distinct lack of > >> creative imagination. > > > > Everything I discussed has been known for about 100 years. No "creative > > imagination" is required to understand it, just a little bit of study. > > Apparently that is too difficult for YOU, and you prefer to "creatively > > imagine" all sorts of nonsense rather than spending the time and effort > > to understand physics. > > > > > [... descent into mysticism and nonsense] > > > That does not mean [magnetic field] is frame dependent. > > > > Regardless of your babbling, the magnetic field _IS_ frame dependent. > > > > Electric fields are generated by charges, while magnetic > > fields are generated by currents, which are just moving > > charges. In its rest frame a charge generates an electric > > field and ZERO magnetic field; in a frame relative to which > > it is moving, it is a current and in this frame it generates > > a NONZERO magnetic field (and also nonzero electric field). > > Oh dear! Tom still doesn't understand the PoR. > The charges are never 'MOVING'. They are always at rest and surrounded > by an electric field. If anyone needed any more proof that Ralphie-boy is a physics ignoramus, this ludicrous claim shows that he doesn't understand the PoR. > Other objects move relative to them and different > amounts of magnetism are induced in each moving frame. The magnetism is > not a property of the charges. And he has Maxwell deficit disorder, too :-)) > What happens if charges are placed around a loop as they always are when > current is produced, for instance in a conducting ring. If the ring is > caused to rotate...but not the charges...what happens? According to you, > nothing. There would be no magnetic field. More stupid baloney. What does this fool mean by charges aren't moving? If the ring is rotating and the electrons aren't moving, then the positively charged nuclei ARE moving. DUH! > Interesting...if a solenoid is made to spin at the same speed as an > electron flow induced in it, it should produce no magnetic field. Tom > said so. And even more stupidity from the demented ignoramus. > TIME existed long before the first clock appeared. And he doesn't understand the concept of clocks, either. When radioactive elements were created in supernova explosions, their clocks started running. The universe contains MANY clocks. > Clocks were invented > by humans in order to improve on their biological timepieces, which are > quite unreliable. > Every perfect clock in the universe has a fixed rate relative to every > other clock. The problem is that Ralphie-boy is boxed in and he can't think outside the box.
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-05-03 10:51 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oeb9ii$1d5d$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #417840 |
On 02/05/17 14:10, little gawy harnagel virtually proved he has run out of arguments and brain cells.: --
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2017-05-02 19:52 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <YMqdnQee4KArtJTEnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #417834 |
On 5/1/17 5/1/17 7:18 PM, HGW... DSc. wrote: > The charges are never 'MOVING'. They are always at rest [...] I am repeatedly amazed at how amazingly silly things you can write. And how FLAGRANTLY you avoid reality. How sad. > if a solenoid is made to spin at the same speed as an electron flow induced > in it, it should produce no magnetic field. Tom said so. Clearly neither your ignorance nor your hubris knows any bounds. "Tom" did not say so, HGW said so -- as usual he is completely wrong. If one induces a current in a solenoid via a battery mounted rigidly to it, then the current in the solenoid winding is INDEPENDENT of any rotation around its axis; so is the electromagnetic field it generates (neglecting the field generated by the battery and its wires, and limiting the rotational speed to be non-relativistic). It seems you are so incredibly ignorant that you have never heard of atoms.... > [... further nonsense unrelated to the world we inhabit] Tom Roberts
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-05-03 19:12 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oec6up$mdd$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #417921 |
On 03/05/17 10:52, Tom Roberts wrote: > On 5/1/17 5/1/17 7:18 PM, HGW... DSc. wrote: >> The charges are never 'MOVING'. They are always at rest [...] > > I am repeatedly amazed at how amazingly silly things you can write. And how > FLAGRANTLY you avoid reality. How sad. Poor Tom! ..just can't get it!...In the frame of the current, there is no magnetic field. There is an electric field. Intercepting the electric field creates a magnetic field that is moving in the frame of the current. >> if a solenoid is made to spin at the same speed as an electron flow >> induced >> in it, it should produce no magnetic field. Tom said so. > > Clearly neither your ignorance nor your hubris knows any bounds. "Tom" > did not say so, HGW said so -- as usual he is completely wrong. You rarely understand what other people say so it is not surprising that haf the time you don't even know what YOU say yourself. > If one induces a current in a solenoid via a battery mounted rigidly to > it, then the current in the solenoid winding is INDEPENDENT of any > rotation around its axis; so is the electromagnetic field it generates > (neglecting the field generated by the battery and its wires, and > limiting the rotational speed to be non-relativistic). I assume you meant he magnetic field.... > It seems you are so incredibly ignorant that you have never > heard of atoms.... I just mentioned the movement of electrons in atoms. >> [... further nonsense unrelated to the world we inhabit] > > Tom Roberts --
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2017-05-03 04:16 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <0a0e4274-68e3-4b59-b5a2-8e0745be4647@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #417944 |
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 3:13:01 AM UTC-6, HGW... DSc. wrote: > > On 03/05/17 10:52, Tom Roberts wrote: > > > > On 5/1/17 5/1/17 7:18 PM, HGW... DSc. wrote: > > > > > > The charges are never 'MOVING'. They are always at rest [...] > > > > I am repeatedly amazed at how amazingly silly things you can write. And how > > FLAGRANTLY you avoid reality. How sad. > > Poor Tom! ..just can't get it!...In the frame of the current, there is > no magnetic field. Yes, there is still a "current" and still a magnetic field. Poor Ralphie-boy has forgotten that the nuclei of the atoms are moving in the opposite direction (so are most of the electrons, but not all of them) and there is observed to be a net flow of positive charge. The magnetic field is STILL there. > There is an electric field. Intercepting the electric > field creates a magnetic field that is moving in the frame of the current. > > > > if a solenoid is made to spin at the same speed as an electron flow > > > induced > > > in it, it should produce no magnetic field. Tom said so. > > > > Clearly neither your ignorance nor your hubris knows any bounds. "Tom" > > did not say so, HGW said so -- as usual he is completely wrong. > > You rarely understand what other people say so it is not surprising that > haf the time you don't even know what YOU say yourself. Ralphie-boy is projecting.
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| From | Ukabaru Hongetsu <uohio@ugutua.ic> |
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| Date | 2017-05-03 15:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oectea$1jp$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #417948 |
Gary Harnagel wrote: >> Poor Tom! ..just can't get it!...In the frame of the current, there is >> no magnetic field. > > Yes, there is still a "current" and still a magnetic field. Poor Not conventionally. Dr. Ralphie is perfectly right. Magnetism - only outside the conductor boundaries. Reveals you never modelled Mathematically magnetism in Physics. > Ralphie-boy has forgotten that the nuclei of the atoms are moving in the Of course atoms aren't moving along the conductor crystal structure. The little Gary reveals he is weak in nano-Physics as well. Never see an atom electron-microscopically. > opposite direction (so are most of the electrons, but not all of them) None. You can model as such, but would be stupid. That's the task for the many electrons. That's why we have electrons in the first place. > and there is observed to be a net flow of positive charge. The magnetic > field is STILL there. Nil, inside a conductor there are no magnetic fields of any kind. Anyway, here again, material enough for a six day conference.
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| From | "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2017-05-03 19:16 +1000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oec74l$ml7$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #417921 |
On 03/05/17 10:52, Tom Roberts wrote: > > If one induces a current in a solenoid via a battery mounted rigidly to > it, then the current in the solenoid winding is INDEPENDENT of any > rotation around its axis; so is the electromagnetic field it generates > (neglecting the field generated by the battery and its wires, and > limiting the rotational speed to be non-relativistic). Of course...but according to your previous reasoning, if a solenoid is activated in a spaceship and the ship made to spin at exactly the speed of the electrons around the solenoid, there will be no magnetic field. > > Tom Roberts --
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| From | Ukabaru Hongetsu <uohio@ugutua.ic> |
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| Date | 2017-05-03 15:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: non-coordinate basis |
| Message-ID | <oectr1$2je$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #417945 |
HGW... DSc. wrote: >> If one induces a current in a solenoid via a battery mounted rigidly to >> it, then the current in the solenoid winding is INDEPENDENT of any >> rotation around its axis; so is the electromagnetic field it generates >> (neglecting the field generated by the battery and its wires, and >> limiting the rotational speed to be non-relativistic). > > Of course...but according to your previous reasoning, if a solenoid is No, don't fall for it. You have a point. The magnetism must be geometry dependent. > activated in a spaceship and the ship made to spin at exactly the speed > of the electrons around the solenoid, there will be no magnetic field. It would be, but I guess, a bit deformed. Due to the length contraction, which they say that exist. I can't prove that. I never worked at a large hadron collider. Appears to me, that a Large Hadron Collider is as the only place where a Length Contraction could be made self-evident. Excellent post, thank you.
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