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Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v.

Started by"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
First post2016-10-12 06:06 +1100
Last post2016-11-13 15:05 -0800
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  Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-12 06:06 +1100
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Ralphie-boy Is Asinine. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-11 20:03 -0700
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Ralphie-boy Is Asinine. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-12 01:03 -0700
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-12 15:08 +1100
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-12 01:06 -0700
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-12 20:27 +1100
        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-12 04:56 -0700
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-13 18:34 +1100
            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-13 05:28 -0700
              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 06:55 +1100
                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-13 14:47 -0700
            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 14:31 -0700
              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-24 11:29 +1100
                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Walter Bautista <wabau@outlookbay.org> - 2016-10-25 21:04 +0000
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-26 10:00 +0200
        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 15:03 +0000
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-12 22:27 +0200
        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-14 13:53 +1100
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 20:15 +1100
            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-14 22:30 +1100
              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-15 05:33 +1100
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-14 05:06 -0700
        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-15 09:59 -0700
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-14 15:07 -0700
        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 20:35 -0700
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 10:37 -0700
            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 10:47 -0700
              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 11:10 -0700
                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 12:16 -0700
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 15:00 -0700
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 15:20 -0700
                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 15:35 -0700
                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 15:45 -0700
                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 16:13 -0700
                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 16:25 -0700
                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. SPQR <SPQR@SPQR.org> - 2016-10-15 17:33 -0600
                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 18:21 -0700
                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-10-15 21:58 -0600
                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 20:07 -0500
                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 20:01 -0500
                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 18:14 -0700
                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 20:43 -0700
                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-10-15 22:05 -0600
                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-17 03:24 +1100
                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-16 13:10 -0700
                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-16 22:55 +0200
                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. ScottPN <Scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-17 11:43 +0000
                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 08:38 +1100
                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-17 20:04 -0700
                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 19:55 +1100
                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-18 05:04 -0700
                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-19 07:57 +1100
                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-18 17:32 -0700
                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-20 03:25 +1100
                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-19 20:41 +0200
                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-20 20:39 +1100
                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-20 04:03 -0700
                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-20 04:14 -0700
                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-20 14:50 +0200
                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 03:23 +1100
                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-20 17:23 +0000
                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-20 20:54 +0200
                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 04:02 +1100
                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 12:22 -0500
                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-21 20:35 +0200
                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 10:46 +1100
                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-21 20:10 -0700
                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-23 04:50 +1100
                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 12:07 -0700
                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 08:55 -0500
                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-23 05:13 +1100
                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 15:35 -0500
                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-23 22:30 -0500
                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-25 08:19 +1100
                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-21 19:46 +0200
                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 10:47 +1100
                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-22 13:46 +0200
                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-23 05:21 +1100
                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-23 11:08 +0200
                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-23 11:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-24 08:19 +1100
                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-24 10:37 +0200
                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-25 08:14 +1100
                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-25 09:25 +0200
                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-25 00:44 -0700
                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-25 20:55 +1100
                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-25 03:06 -0700
                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-25 05:08 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-25 05:34 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 05:55 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 19:09 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-25 14:02 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 20:58 +1100
                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-26 05:24 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-27 05:17 +1100
                                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-26 18:30 -0700
                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-25 13:00 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-25 20:55 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 19:14 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-25 14:28 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 19:37 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 06:18 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-26 15:31 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-27 05:19 +1100
                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-25 22:02 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 20:08 +0000
                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 09:29 -0500
                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-28 08:37 +1100
                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-27 20:40 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-28 19:54 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-28 04:57 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 15:23 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 17:11 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-30 19:30 +1100
                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-30 05:18 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-30 18:03 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-31 06:34 +1100
                                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 15:59 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-01 08:11 +1100
                                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 15:19 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-08 08:43 +1100
                                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-07 14:29 -0800
                                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-08 15:05 +1100
                                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-08 03:40 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-09 11:42 +1100
                                                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-08 18:12 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-11 12:41 +1100
                                                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-10 18:43 -0800
                                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-08 13:49 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-08 05:55 -0800
                                                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-09 11:40 +1100
                                                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-11-09 12:50 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-09 04:06 -0800
                                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-10 03:04 +1100
                                                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 11:01 -0600
                                                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-11 12:56 +1100
                                                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 08:53 -0600
                                                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-13 06:39 +1100
                                                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-11-09 20:07 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-11 12:54 +1100
                                                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-11-11 14:14 +0100
                                                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-12 10:13 +1100
                                                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-11-12 11:23 +0100
                                                                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-13 06:35 +1100
                                                                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-11-12 20:46 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-13 17:55 +1100
                                                                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-11-13 09:07 +0100
                                                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-13 04:42 -0800
                                                                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-14 07:38 +1100
                                                                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-13 20:02 -0800
                                                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-14 07:35 +1100
                                                                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 07:23 -0600
                                                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-15 07:59 +1100
                                                                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 16:52 -0600
                                                                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 05:01 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 07:48 -0600
                                                                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 08:32 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-15 05:53 -0800
                                                                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-16 08:36 +1100
                                                                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 14:08 -0800
                                                                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-17 05:51 +1100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 03:12 -0800
                                                                                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-18 08:21 +1100
                                                                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edwin Grünner <edwgr@menckensite.org> - 2016-11-17 21:33 +0000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 16:04 -0800
                                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 09:19 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-09 11:43 +1100
                                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 07:30 -0600
                                                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-10 03:12 +1100
                                                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 11:02 -0600
                                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-11 12:58 +1100
                                                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 08:54 -0600
                                                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-11-11 07:59 -0800
                                                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-12 10:37 +1100
                                                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-09 23:13 -0800
                                                                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-01 02:46 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-02 08:59 +1100
                                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-02 04:10 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-02 19:47 +1100
                                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-02 03:59 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-03 08:22 +1100
                                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-02 14:24 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-11-02 23:21 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-02 22:44 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-02 16:33 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-03 19:52 +1100
                                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-03 04:21 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-03 15:16 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 15:48 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-29 07:37 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 15:35 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-28 23:00 +0000
                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 09:50 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-29 07:43 +1100
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-29 07:42 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 16:13 -0500
                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-01 08:16 +1100
                                                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-29 21:40 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-30 19:34 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-30 18:10 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-11-03 07:12 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-04 11:08 +1100
                                                                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-04 04:16 -0700
                                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-21 05:13 +0000
                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-20 14:26 +0200
                                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-20 05:45 -0700
                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-20 15:26 +0000
                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-20 03:02 -0700
                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 14:33 -0700
                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 22:32 -0700
                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 03:21 -0700
                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-16 11:19 +0200
                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 19:54 -0500
                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-19 16:35 -0700
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-16 06:04 +1100
            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 12:25 -0700
              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-15 14:02 -0700
              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-16 01:37 +0000
                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-17 03:57 +1100
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-16 20:39 +0000
                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 20:16 -0500
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-17 02:01 +0000
                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 22:56 -0500
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 08:53 +1100
              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-17 03:53 +1100
                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 20:19 -0500
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 09:19 +1100
                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 04:03 +0000
                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 20:01 +1100
    Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-12 06:24 -0700
      Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:21 -0700
        Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:33 -0700
          Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:59 -0700
          Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-15 19:59 -0700
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 14:27 -0700
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-16 12:52 +1100
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 19:45 -0700
        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-16 15:08 +1100
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-17 04:06 +1100
            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-17 11:12 +1100
              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 09:05 +1100
                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-17 22:45 +0000
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 16:03 -0700
                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 03:01 +0000
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 10:18 +1100
                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 03:18 +0000
                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 19:57 +1100
                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 04:09 -0700
                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 09:54 -0500
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-19 10:40 -0500
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-20 03:39 +1100
        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 09:50 -0700
        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 13:57 -0500
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-20 13:59 +1100
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 02:38 +1100
            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 11:03 -0500
              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 04:21 +1100
                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-20 11:05 -0700
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 04:08 +1100
                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-21 14:32 -0700
                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 10:49 +1100
                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-21 20:15 -0700
                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 12:36 +0000
                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 12:55 +0000
                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-23 05:24 +1100
                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 08:26 -0500
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-21 06:45 -0700
                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 04:14 +1100
                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 12:34 -0500
                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 10:51 +1100
                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 08:56 -0500
                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-23 05:26 +1100
                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 15:35 -0500
                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-24 08:28 +1100
                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:13 -0500
                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-25 08:36 +1100
                                    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 09:29 -0500
                                      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-27 05:26 +1100
                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-26 17:19 -0700
                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-28 08:39 +1100
                                        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 09:47 -0500
                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-29 08:02 +1100
                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-29 08:41 -0500
                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-30 05:55 +1100
                                            Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 17:10 -0500
                                              Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-30 19:41 +1100
                                                Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 15:50 -0500
                                                  Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-01 08:18 +1100
                                          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-02 00:15 -0700
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 14:54 -0700
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-19 23:33 -0700
        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-20 15:00 +0000
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 15:36 +0000
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-10 12:20 -0800
    Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:09 -0800
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-12 14:29 -0800
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-13 17:59 +1100
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-12 14:37 -0800
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-13 18:00 +1100
        Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gwyneth Montgomery <GwynethMont@MontgomeryInstitute.info> - 2016-11-13 22:42 +0000
          Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-14 10:56 +1100
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 12:35 -0800
      Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-15 08:23 +1100
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 12:51 -0800
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 12:52 -0800
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 12:52 -0800
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 13:08 -0800
    Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 15:05 -0800

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#396774

FromEdgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info>
Date2016-10-25 19:37 +0000
Message-ID<nuoca1$1h14$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#396773
W dniu poniedziałek, Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:28:34 -0500 użytkownik Tom
Roberts napisał:

>> Excellent, that you admit that constancy of the speed of light is
>> merely a
>> "measurement artefact".
> 
> I did NOT say that. Please re-read what I wrote, and DON'T read your own
> fantasies into my words.
> 
>> Since we don't have better instruments capable to measure speeds higher
>> than the speed of light.
> 
> This has nothing to do with it -- there exist no "better instruments".

Exactly, we agree again. And you still say we don't agree. Does not 
matter, we are like friends.

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#396769

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-10-26 06:18 +1100
Message-ID<nuob6a$1faq$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#396758
On 26/10/16 05:00, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 10/25/16 10/25/16   4:55 AM, HGW wrote:
>> SR describes an imaginary universe in which light always travels at c.
>
> Phrased that way it's no wonder you are so confused about SR.
>
> Say, rather, that SR describes an imaginary world in which light IS
> MEASURED to travel with speed c in every inertial frame. This is not so
> much about "traveling" as it is about MEASURING, because the measuring
> instruments at rest in different inertial frames are rotated relative to
> each other, and it is the ROTATIONS OF THE INSTRUMENTS that "conspire"
> to make the light speed always be MEASURED as c.

That idea comes from Poincare's Spacetime, which was derived from 
Lorentz's Aether theory. It openly accepts and relies on the existence 
of an absolute frame and the idea of length and time contractions with 
absolute observer speed that make OWLS always appear to be c.

 From that development, Poincare discovered that the principle of 
relativity actually emerged out of absolutism. Einstein plagiarized the 
theory that followed but because the aether was 'superfluous' to the 
maths, was able to replace its only function, that of unifying light 
speed from differently moving sources, with a few words in a postulate.

The rotation you talk about only occurs because your version of 
spacetime is built on the assumption that all light speed measurements 
will produce the answer c. You have merely reiterated Einstein's second 
postulate. You have not proved anything or convinced anyone.

Einstein's theory is just LET....and there is no absolute aether.

>     In keeping with the major lesson of modern physics to only
>     discuss what is measured, we don't really "know" how light
>     "travels", we only know how we MEASURE it to travel.

Modern witch doctors know more about modern physics than you do.

> If you had seen my earlier post in another thread, you would see how
> inevitable it is that differently moving instruments are rotated
> relative to each other. Ditto for the coordinates of inertial frames.

Naturally, their movement is represented by lines that have different 
angles in a space time diagram....so what?

> And while SR does indeed describe an imaginary world, for many
> experiments and practical situations its equations hold to better
> accuracy than measurements can be made. So it is quite useful....

There has never been a believable experiment which measured light speed 
from a moving source. Comparisons of light speeds emitted by orbiting 
stars shows quite convincingly that their light moves at different 
speeds towards earth.

> Tom Roberts

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#396848

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-10-26 15:31 +0000
Message-ID<nuqi7t$ir9$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#396769
"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> writes:

>There has never been a believable experiment which measured light speed 
>from a moving source.

Maybe not believable by you, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, but real scientists
with real PhD's or DSc's (not self-awarded photoshopped diplomas such
as what you (Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge) have done) aren't afraid of looking
at the experiments' papers and interpreting the conclusions, perhaps
applying them to similar situations or, if necessary, repeating the
experiments.  That is what makes the difference between real scientists
and cranks such as yourself (Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge) who hide from the
experiments that disrupt their outdated world view in their darkened
basements, Ralph.

> Comparisons of light speeds emitted by orbiting 
>stars shows quite convincingly that their light moves at

c, always.

Which is even more evidence that disproves Dirty BaThwater.

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#396865

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-10-27 05:19 +1100
Message-ID<nuqs2p$1io8$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#396848
On 27/10/16 02:31, Michael Moroney wrote:
..."I Micky Moron am an idiot. please plonk me."

Ok. Good idea.... my time is valuable.

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#396781

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2016-10-25 22:02 +0200
Message-ID<nuodph$c6a$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#396729
On 25.10.2016 11:55, HGW wrote:
> On 25/10/16 18:25, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>
>> But is it any particular reason why you won't give
>> a meaningful answer to the question?
>>
>> Which was:
>> 1) Do you now claim that SR is logically consistent,
>>     or
>> 2) do you claim that SR is self contradictory, and
>>     therefore inconsistent and logically impossible?
>>
>> It's either 1) or 2), you can't have it both ways.
>> So what is it?
>
> Now you're being difficult again....
>
> SR describes an imaginary universe in which light always travels at c.
> It is consistent in the way it does that after ignoring the logical
> impossibility on which it is based.

Ralph, understand this:
When physicists use the phrase "consistent theory of physics"
they mean a theory (model of an aspect of the world) which
is free of self contradictions.
(I am sure Tom could express this more precisely.)
It is impossible to make such a theory predict different
values for the same entity by for example calculate
them in different frames of reference, and it can not
predict anything which is logically impossible, an it
can not be based on logically impossible postulates.

A consistent theory does not have to be a valid model
of the real world, though. Its predictions may well
be wrong as 'not in accordance with observations
in the real world.'
Only real experiments can show if a consistent theory
is valid or not.

There are lots of consistent theories which are falsified.
Some emissions theories are among them.
(The "BaTh" is not among them. It is not a consistent theory.
   Or more precisely: it is not a theory of physics.)

SR is a consistent theory.
No experiment has falsified it, so it is a valid theory.

When you, Ralph Malcom Rabbidge, wrote:
"Paul, I have never claimed SR was inconsistent."
you were wrong.

You have always claimed, and still do,
that SR is inconsistent (self contradictory) because
you claim it contains 'logical impossibilities'.

So I have got your answer, I will not ask again.

When you, Ralph Malcom Rabbidge, claim that
it is logically impossible that the speed of
light is invariant, then you are claiming that
something which is experimentally tested
in the real world and never proven wrong
is an "logical impossibility".

Weird world you inhibit! :-D

> Your funny little circular articles show how it is consistent.

https://paulba.no/div/ralph.pdf
https://paulba.no/div/RalphsClocks.pdf
https://paulba.no/div/RalphsClocks2.pdf
https://paulba.no/div/RalphsParadox.pdf

Please explain why you find the articles "circular".

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#396782

FromEdgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info>
Date2016-10-25 20:08 +0000
Message-ID<nuoe33$1i1a$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#396781
W dniu poniedziałek, Tue, 25 Oct 2016 22:02:56 +0200 użytkownik Paul B.
Andersen napisał:

> Only real experiments can show if a consistent theory is valid or not.

This is blatantly incorrect.

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#396838

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-26 09:29 -0500
Message-ID<nuqekp$i9a$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#396686
On 10/24/2016 4:14 PM, HGW wrote:
> On 24/10/16 19:37, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> On 23.10.2016 23:19, HGW wrote:
>>> On 23/10/16 20:08, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> BTW, Ralph Malcom Rabbidge
>>>> Do you now claim that SR is logically consistent, or do you
>>>> claim that SR is self contradictory, and therefore inconsistent
>>>> and logically impossible?
>>>
>>> The postulate on which its consistency is based is wrong.
>>
>> You didn't answer the question.
>>
>> Which was:
>> Do you now claim that SR is logically consistent, or do you
>> claim that SR is self contradictory, and therefore inconsistent
>> and logically impossible?
>
> SR FOLLOWS FROM the flawed postulate and the logically impossible RoS.

There is nothing logically impossible about relativity of simultaneity, 
and if there's a flaw in the postulate you've yet to point it out other 
than you think it's not true.

>
> They are not part of the theory itself, which is consistent after the
> flaws have been wrongly accepted.

The fact that you think the postulates are not true is not a flaw.

>
> All your funny little exercises consistently highlight that consistency
> although it is flawed. In that respect, your exercises are consistently
> correct.
>
> Does that make you feel any better?
>
>
>
>
>


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#396959

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-10-28 08:37 +1100
Message-ID<nuts2c$11st$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#396838
On 27/10/16 01:29, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 10/24/2016 4:14 PM, HGW wrote:

>>
>> SR FOLLOWS FROM the flawed postulate and the logically impossible
>> RoS.
>
> There is nothing logically impossible about relativity of
> simultaneity, and if there's a flaw in the postulate you've yet to
> point it out other than you think it's not true.

Einstein devised the following thought experiment to illustrate his
theory of simultaneity, in which two rigidly separated clocks, A and B,
along with observer Om, were to move at speed v relative to an observer
Os at rest in a reference frame defined as 'stationary'. Light signals
were to be passed in opposite directions between the moving clocks,
which will record the times of emission and arrival.
A________Om_______B ->v wrt Os (moving frame)
C_____C_____C_____C_____C_____C_____C_____C_____C_____C_____C_____C_____S2
.....Os  (stationary frame)
Observer Os is considered stationary in this experiment and all light
used throughout is deemed to move at c relative to the stationary frame.
A long rod connects Os to a line of clocks that are E-synched according
to the above definition. The rates and readings of A and B are adjusted
so that whenever they pass a 'C' clock, their readings coincide.
According to Einstein, all the C clocks as well as A and B are now
correctly synchronized in the stationary frame. If the stationary clocks
advance by n seconds, then so do the moving ones. The rates and readings
of all the clocks are now identical in the stationary frame.
Since light moves at c in his frame, Os correctly calculates that
oppositely moving signals take different time intervals x and y to
travel between A and B. It is thus established beyond doubt that, during
the signal transits of AB, all the clock readings advance by x for the
LH moving one and by y for the RH, where x and y are pure numbers of
different value.
Thus, according to Os, if a LH moving light pulse passes B at time T0,
it will reach A when A's reading is T0 + x., as will be the readings of
ALL the clocks. Similarly, if a RH moving pulse passes A at time T0, it
will reach B when B's reading is T0 + y. Now, if the moving observer
uses the differences in the readings of A and B to determine OWLS in
both directions, those speeds will turn out to be c+v and c-v, which is
forbidden according to Einstein's second postulate. (Throughout his
paper, light must move at c in ALL frames). Einstein responded by
claiming that Om would deem clocks A and B to be out of synch in his
frame even though correctly synched in the stationary one. To synch
them, the zero of one must be adjusted by 1/2(x-y) to make OWLS appear
to equal to c in both directions in subsequent repeat experiments. On
the basis of his clock synching definition and assuming P2 is correct,
that claim appears on the surface to be quite legitimate ......but is
it.... or did Einstein make a gross logical error? After all, he had
just confirmed that the readings of both moving clocks had individually
advanced by different amounts during the opposite transits and so had no
justification in claiming that those time intervals should be the same
in the moving frame since the moving clocks were true indicators of time
intervals in that frame.
It is important to emphasize a seemingly innocent omission from the
description of Einstein's experiment, namely, specific detail of the
light sources used for either synching the stationary clocks or for
sending light pulses between A and B. He merely stated, “let a ray of
light START AT A…..and travel towards B....”. In consistency with his
second postulate that was sufficient, since all light was deemed to move
at c in the stationary frame and the above timing calculations remain
correct irrespective of the speed of any light sources. One can only
suspect that Einstein's omission was devious and deliberate since its
inclusion would likely have invited the following question, “what
happens if the light sources used are attached to the moving rod? They
are then at rest in the moving frame.”
Einstein's error soon becomes apparent. Even with the light sources at
rest in the MOVING frame, their light is still deemed to move at c in
the stationary frame and Einstein's above equations hold. However, it is
obvious through symmetry, that both light signals MUST move at c between
A and B in the MOVING frame, in which case the transit times must both
be equal to AB/c. They therefore cannot be both equal and unequal as the
experiment would suggest. Einstein's own logic has produced two directly
conflicting claims....an irresolvable logical contradiction, as
summarized below.

Wilson's Paradox:
Observer Om attaches light sources A and B to the ends of a rod and
moves inertially relative to observer Os. The sources send light signals
towards each other.
A-------------------Om--------------------B ->v
Os
According to Einstein, light from the two sources moves at c in Os's
frame. According to Einstein, it also moves at c in Om's frame.
According to Einstein and Os, light from those sources takes DIFFERENT
times, x and y, to transit the rod in opposite directions.
According to Einstein and Om, light from those sources takes the SAME
time to transit the rod in opposite directions. (That fact is also
obvious from symmetry.)
'Sameness' is not frame dependent. Einstein's second postulate leads to
a direct contradiction and is therefore impossible.
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#396988

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2016-10-27 20:40 -0700
Message-ID<779466d5-e704-402b-b7f5-6e51362735bd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#396959
On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:37:20 PM UTC-7, HGW wrote:

> Wilson's Paradox:
> Observer Om attaches light sources A and B to the ends of a rod and
> moves inertially relative to observer Os. The sources send light signals
> towards each other....

Etc., etc., etc...

Congratulations, Ralph, you have earned even more points!!!!

"20 points for naming something after yourself. (E.g., talking about the "The Evans Field Equation" when your name happens to be Evans.)"

You MUST be close to setting a record on the Baez Crackpot Index... you must be SO proud!

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#396999

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-10-28 19:54 +1100
Message-ID<nuv3ni$lbi$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#396988
On 28/10/16 14:40, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:37:20 PM UTC-7, HGW wrote:
>
>> Wilson's Paradox:
>> Observer Om attaches light sources A and B to the ends of a rod and
>> moves inertially relative to observer Os. The sources send light signals
>> towards each other....
>
> Etc., etc., etc...
>
> Congratulations, Ralph, you have earned even more points!!!!
>
> "20 points for naming something after yourself. (E.g., talking about the "The Evans Field Equation" when your name happens to be Evans.)"
>
> You MUST be close to setting a record on the Baez Crackpot Index... you must be SO proud!

Producing irrefutable proof that Einstein's theory is wrong is reason to 
be proud. I notice you cannot fault my reasoning....



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#397005

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-10-28 04:57 -0700
Message-ID<df5d4561-7e84-48a0-adec-e34963e78adc@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#396999
On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 2:54:13 AM UTC-6, HGW wrote:
>
> On 28/10/16 14:40, pnalsing@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:37:20 PM UTC-7, HGW wrote:
> >
> > > Wilson's Paradox:
> > > Observer Om attaches light sources A and B to the ends of a rod and
> > > moves inertially relative to observer Os. The sources send light signals
> > > towards each other....
> >
> > Etc., etc., etc...
> >
> > Congratulations, Ralph, you have earned even more points!!!!
> >
> > "20 points for naming something after yourself. (E.g., talking about
> > the "The Evans Field Equation" when your name happens to be Evans.)"
> >
> > You MUST be close to setting a record on the Baez Crackpot Index...
> > you must be SO proud!
> 
> Producing irrefutable proof that Einstein's theory is wrong is reason to 
> be proud.

It would be if anyone has done so, but no one has, not even the great
Ralphie-boy.

> I notice you cannot fault my reasoning....

You fail to admit that your "irrefutable proof" has been refuted.
It was laughably easy to do: you assumed Newtonian physics to "prove"
that light was ballistic.  It's called circular reasoning, the only
kind of reasoning you seem to understand.

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#397075

Frompnalsing@gmail.com
Date2016-10-28 15:23 -0700
Message-ID<60d71cc4-e1c5-4cee-9e96-c0e0ab1cb400@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#396999
On Friday, October 28, 2016 at 1:54:13 AM UTC-7, HGW wrote:
> On 28/10/16 14:40, pna...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:37:20 PM UTC-7, HGW wrote:
> >
> >> Wilson's Paradox:
> >> Observer Om attaches light sources A and B to the ends of a rod and
> >> moves inertially relative to observer Os. The sources send light signals
> >> towards each other....
> >
> > Etc., etc., etc...
> >
> > Congratulations, Ralph, you have earned even more points!!!!
> >
> > "20 points for naming something after yourself. (E.g., talking about the "The Evans Field Equation" when your name happens to be Evans.)"
> >
> > You MUST be close to setting a record on the Baez Crackpot Index... you must be SO proud!
> 
> Producing irrefutable proof that Einstein's theory is wrong is reason to 
> be proud. I notice you cannot fault my reasoning....

Reasoning, Ralph? What reasoning? Your so-called proof has been refuted over and over again for years! You want me drag all the links here AGAIN? Why make the effort and only to waste time?

I am astounded that anyone ever responds to you at all, they just say the same thing to you over and over again, and, of course, YOU say the same things over and over again about your lame BaTh.

There are a lot of really smart people here, but you're not one of them.

Today you only earned 5 points, so sorry...

"5 points for each mention of "Einstien", "Hawkins" or "Feynmann"."

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#397166

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-29 17:11 -0500
Message-ID<nv36qh$1a9a$6@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#396999
On 10/28/2016 3:54 AM, HGW wrote:
> Producing irrefutable proof that Einstein's theory is wrong is reason to
> be proud. I notice you cannot fault my reasoning....

Finding the faults in your reasoning is easy. Having you acknowledge 
those faults is both impossible and irrelevant.

-- 
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#397178

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-10-30 19:30 +1100
Message-ID<nv4b2n$j5l$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#397166
On 30/10/16 09:11, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 10/28/2016 3:54 AM, HGW wrote:
>> Producing irrefutable proof that Einstein's theory is wrong is reason to
>> be proud. I notice you cannot fault my reasoning....
>
> Finding the faults in your reasoning is easy.

Then why can neither you nor any of your colleagues point them out? Is 
my proof too hard for you or don't you know enough about Einstein's 
silly theory to be able to defend it?


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#397185

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-10-30 05:18 -0700
Message-ID<9520b32a-cea9-4f9e-b083-134b0019dcad@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#397178
On Sunday, October 30, 2016 at 2:30:19 AM UTC-6, HGW wrote:
>
> On 30/10/16 09:11, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >
> > On 10/28/2016 3:54 AM, HGW wrote:
> > > Producing irrefutable proof that Einstein's theory is wrong is reason to
> > > be proud. I notice you cannot fault my reasoning....
> >
> > Finding the faults in your reasoning is easy.
> 
> Then why can neither you nor any of your colleagues point them out?

They have been pointed out, but cranks and crackpots like you are always
in denial of reality.

You ASSUMED the Galilean transform to "prove" that light traveled at c + v.
That is circular "reasoning" (and I use "reasoning" loosely).

> Is my proof too hard for you or don't you know enough about Einstein's 
> silly theory to be able to defend it?

There has never been an experiment that invalidates relativity.  That
fact, of course, is contrary to your delusional assertions.

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#397194

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-10-30 18:03 +0000
Message-ID<nv5cls$brd$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#397178
HGW <hw@....> writes:

>On 30/10/16 09:11, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 10/28/2016 3:54 AM, HGW wrote:
>>> Producing irrefutable proof that Einstein's theory is wrong is reason to
>>> be proud. I notice you cannot fault my reasoning....
>>
>> Finding the faults in your reasoning is easy.

>Then why can neither you nor any of your colleagues point them out? Is 
>my proof too hard for you or don't you know enough about Einstein's 
>silly theory to be able to defend it?

Ralph, you snipped Odd's full quote. He wrote:

: Finding the faults in your reasoning is easy. Having you acknowledge
: those faults is both impossible and irrelevant.

As he said, it has been easy to find faults in your reasoning, Ralph.
Just go back and look at his, Paul's and many other people's responses
to you.  The fact that you won't ever acknowledge your faults doesn't
mean they haven't been found, multiple times over.

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#397202

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-10-31 06:34 +1100
Message-ID<nv5hvk$iqi$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#397194
On 31/10/16 05:03, Michael Moroney wrote:
> HGW <hw@....> writes:

>> Then why can neither you nor any of your colleagues point them out? Is
>> my proof too hard for you or don't you know enough about Einstein's
>> silly theory to be able to defend it?
>
> Ralph, you snipped Odd's full quote. He wrote:
>
> : Finding the faults in your reasoning is easy. Having you acknowledge
> : those faults is both impossible and irrelevant.
>
> As he said, it has been easy to find faults in your reasoning, Ralph.
> Just go back and look at his, Paul's and many other people's responses
> to you.  The fact that you won't ever acknowledgeyour faults doesn't
> mean they haven't been found, multiple times over.

You obviously cannot find a fault in my reasoning. Clearly you either 
have not read my statement or you tried but found it far too hard.

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#397216

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-10-30 15:59 -0500
Message-ID<nv5mvk$qtg$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#397202
On 10/30/2016 2:34 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
>
> You obviously cannot find a fault in my reasoning. Clearly you either
> have not read my statement or you tried but found it far too hard.

You don't care about reasoning. You care only for engaging in banter AS 
THOUGH what you say is reasonable. You invite people to TRY to convince 
you that what you say is unreasonable, and you take joy in resisting 
being convinced. That's not discussion. It's just feeding your 
pathological social pathways.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#397317

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-11-01 08:11 +1100
Message-ID<nv8c1a$vre$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#397216
On 31/10/16 07:59, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 10/30/2016 2:34 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
>>
>> You obviously cannot find a fault in my reasoning. Clearly you either
>> have not read my statement or you tried but found it far too hard.
>
> You don't care about reasoning. You care only for engaging in banter AS
> THOUGH what you say is reasonable. You invite people to TRY to convince
> you that what you say is unreasonable, and you take joy in resisting
> being convinced. That's not discussion. It's just feeding your
> pathological social pathways.

Bodkin, you cannot understand my proof because it contains a little 
logic and math. Admit it!



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#397929

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-11-07 15:19 -0600
Message-ID<nvqr3u$1rdk$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#397317
On 10/31/2016 4:11 PM, HGW wrote:
> On 31/10/16 07:59, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 10/30/2016 2:34 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
>>>
>>> You obviously cannot find a fault in my reasoning. Clearly you either
>>> have not read my statement or you tried but found it far too hard.
>>
>> You don't care about reasoning. You care only for engaging in banter AS
>> THOUGH what you say is reasonable. You invite people to TRY to convince
>> you that what you say is unreasonable, and you take joy in resisting
>> being convinced. That's not discussion. It's just feeding your
>> pathological social pathways.
>
> Bodkin, you cannot understand my proof because it contains a little
> logic and math. Admit it!

Nah. As we discussed, you don't prove anything in science with logic and 
math. So.....


-- 
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