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Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein.

Started by"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
First post2016-09-26 06:22 +1000
Last post2016-10-07 13:52 -0700
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  Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-26 06:22 +1000
    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 11:20 +0200
      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-26 19:50 +1000
        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 21:43 +0200
      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-09-26 06:42 -0700
    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 02:40 -0700
      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-26 20:17 +1000
        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 05:37 -0700
          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 03:37 +1000
            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-26 12:08 -0700
    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 08:34 -0700
      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 03:56 +1000
        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 13:16 -0700
          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 08:29 +1000
            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-09-27 12:16 -0700
              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-28 06:31 +1000
                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-09-27 15:20 -0700
                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-28 14:06 +1000
                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-09-28 09:32 -0700
                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 15:17 +1000
                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-09-29 08:59 -0700
                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 09:48 +1000
                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-09-30 11:58 -0700
                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-01 08:40 +1000
                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-01 07:36 -0700
                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-02 18:02 +1100
                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-02 08:10 -0700
                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-03 09:18 +1100
                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-03 11:15 -0700
                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-05 07:24 +1100
                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-04 17:32 -0700
                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-06 08:04 +1100
                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-06 11:21 -0700
                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-07 08:19 +1100
            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 15:03 -0700
              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-28 14:14 +1000
                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 07:51 -0700
                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 15:22 +1000
                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:00 -0700
                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 10:08 +1000
                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 10:32 -0700
                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-01 08:50 +1000
                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 05:38 -0700
                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-05 07:41 +1100
                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 05:40 -0700
                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-06 08:18 +1100
                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 09:31 -0700
                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-07 09:47 -0700
                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 13:40 -0700
                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-08 04:11 -0700
                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-08 10:12 +1100
                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-08 15:28 +0200
                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-09 09:39 +1100
                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-09 11:44 +0200
                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-10 05:32 +1100
                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-10 18:55 +0200
                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-11 09:06 +1100
                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 01:03 +0000
                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-11 18:24 +1100
                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-09 17:43 +0000
                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-10 05:36 +1100
                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-11 04:36 +0000
                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-11 23:07 +0200
                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Scott <Scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-11 21:20 +0000
                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-11 15:00 -0700
                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-12 09:16 +1100
                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-12 15:00 +0200
                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-12 06:12 -0700
                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-11 23:23 -0700
                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:53 -0700
                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-13 13:33 +0200
                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 12:04 -0700
                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-14 11:25 +0200
                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-14 02:44 -0700
                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 07:03 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-14 15:09 +0000
                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-15 05:04 +1100
                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-14 19:04 +0000
                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-15 06:31 +1100
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-16 12:01 +0200
                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 08:23 +1100
                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 03:46 +0000
                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-18 09:03 +0200
                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 19:44 +1100
                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-18 01:46 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 23:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-18 16:52 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-19 10:30 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-20 03:55 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-19 19:38 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 05:50 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-20 10:21 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-20 15:48 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-20 23:56 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 16:59 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-20 15:46 +0000
                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-15 00:51 -0500
                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-15 00:45 -0500
                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-16 05:16 +1100
                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-15 14:06 -0500
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-15 12:19 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-16 06:31 +1100
                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 12:37 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-17 10:12 -0500
                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-17 09:32 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-17 10:11 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 08:32 +1100
                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 03:51 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 19:48 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 23:32 +0000
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-16 00:56 +0200
                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-16 01:05 +0000
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 21:46 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-16 11:16 +0200
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 07:49 +1100
                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-14 19:57 +0200
                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 14:02 -0700
                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-15 05:06 +1100
                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-16 15:02 +0200
                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-17 02:34 +1100
                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-16 20:56 +0200
                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 08:06 +1100
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-18 10:06 +0200
                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 19:45 +1100
                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-18 13:30 +0200
                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-18 13:43 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-19 07:45 +1100
                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 23:43 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-19 11:18 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-20 03:48 +1100
                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-19 21:22 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-20 09:58 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 03:36 +1100
                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 09:42 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 04:24 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-20 17:28 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 10:32 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 20:05 +1100
                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-21 14:32 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-21 13:51 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 04:17 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 08:28 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-21 06:30 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 08:25 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-21 06:28 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 04:20 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 12:37 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 10:42 +1100
                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-21 20:04 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-22 09:44 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 12:44 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-22 19:56 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 08:54 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-24 10:59 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 16:05 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-24 11:25 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 18:30 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-24 12:05 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-24 23:34 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 06:44 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 19:49 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 06:57 +1100
                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 20:02 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 20:43 +1100
                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Walter Bautista <wabau@outlookbay.org> - 2016-10-26 14:51 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Walter Bautista <wabau@outlookbay.org> - 2016-10-26 14:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 04:17 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-27 04:36 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-25 22:22 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Walter Bautista <wabau@outlookbay.org> - 2016-10-25 20:48 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-25 14:05 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 20:46 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-25 16:32 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 03:57 +1100
                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-20 21:03 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-20 23:59 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 20:12 +1100
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-21 02:18 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 22:44 +0000
                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 11:26 -0700
                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 12:30 -0700
                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-14 21:38 +0200
                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 13:06 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 13:27 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 13:36 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 13:42 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-15 00:56 -0500
                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 06:16 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-15 15:40 +0200
                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 13:39 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-14 15:01 -0700
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                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 06:20 -0700
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                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-15 16:30 +0200
                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 08:08 -0700
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                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-15 10:11 -0700
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                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-15 13:58 -0700
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                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-16 11:00 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. ScottPN <Scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-16 18:08 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. ScottPN <Scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-16 18:09 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 19:30 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-17 00:11 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-17 14:51 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-17 10:45 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 15:12 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 15:55 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 03:40 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-18 04:07 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 15:14 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 16:28 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 15:04 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 15:49 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 20:48 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-19 13:07 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 13:24 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-19 14:08 -0700
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                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 13:37 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-22 13:50 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 14:02 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-23 06:56 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 11:33 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-23 13:55 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 13:43 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-24 14:33 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 20:54 +1100
                                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-26 08:13 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-27 04:56 +1100
                                                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-26 12:09 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-23 15:00 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 13:54 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 16:00 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 22:41 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 22:52 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 23:07 -0700
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                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 04:06 +1100
                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 13:55 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 15:12 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-23 07:29 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 11:25 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 09:39 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-24 14:28 -0500
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                                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 20:07 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-24 15:23 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 20:34 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 07:09 +1100
                                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 20:16 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 19:50 +1100
                                                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-26 14:26 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-27 05:00 +1100
                                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 16:13 -0500
                                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-24 22:35 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-24 20:47 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 15:07 -0700
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                                                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-24 18:29 -0500
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                                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-25 06:34 -0700
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                                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 11:14 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 04:22 -0700
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                                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-26 11:13 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-27 05:11 +1100
                                                                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-26 23:23 +0200
                                                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Walter Bautista <wabau@outlookbay.org> - 2016-10-26 22:10 +0000
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                                                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-27 21:57 +0200
                                                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 16:28 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-29 20:34 +0200
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                                                                                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-30 11:29 +0100
                                                                                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-31 05:01 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 17:39 -0700
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                                                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 06:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Walter Bautista <wabau@outlookbay.org> - 2016-10-27 14:23 +0000
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                                                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-27 22:40 +0200
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                                                                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-28 09:34 +0200
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                                                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-27 23:04 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 13:49 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 15:16 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 13:07 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 13:52 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-16 00:58 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 09:15 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 10:18 -0700
                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-17 03:11 +1100
                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-15 15:16 +0200
                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 09:22 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 10:05 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 13:18 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 13:58 -0700
                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-16 01:00 +0200
                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 09:19 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-16 11:47 +0200
                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 19:35 -0500
                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-17 11:20 +0200
                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. ScottPN <Scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-17 09:46 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-17 14:43 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-17 14:57 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Scott <scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-17 15:46 +0000
                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-17 02:49 -0700
                                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-16 11:42 +0200
                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 05:17 -0700
                                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 11:50 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 12:19 -0700
                                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-16 23:31 +0200
                                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 14:45 -0700
                                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-18 12:34 +0200
                                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 15:09 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-19 11:27 +0200
                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-12 15:32 +0200
                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-12 06:46 -0700
                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-12 09:30 +1100
                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-12 19:25 +0200
                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-13 09:08 +1100
                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-13 13:40 +0200
                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 01:28 +0000
                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-13 19:35 +1100
                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-13 05:35 -0700
                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 06:29 +1100
                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-13 14:41 -0700
                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 20:21 +1100
                                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-15 05:00 -0700
                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 16:19 +0000
                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 06:34 +1100
                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-14 03:59 +0000
                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 20:23 +1100
                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 13:50 -0700
                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 12:48 -0700
                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 06:11 -0700
                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-12 19:55 +0200
                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-13 09:15 +1100
                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 01:33 +0000
                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 19:03 -0700
                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 00:28 -0700
                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-13 11:12 -0500
                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-13 09:57 -0700
                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-13 14:08 -0500
                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-13 14:10 -0700
                                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. sdf <sdf@sdf.sdf> - 2016-10-15 02:23 +0000
                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-15 01:02 -0500
                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. ScottPN <Scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-16 17:56 +0000
                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-16 21:37 +0200
                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. ScottPN <Scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-17 10:03 +0000
                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 04:25 -0700
                                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. ScottPN <Scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-17 11:41 +0000
                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 11:44 -0700
                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-13 19:43 +1100
                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 04:00 -0700
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                                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 06:43 +1100
                                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 13:32 -0700
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                                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 20:27 +1100
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                                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-15 05:20 +1100
                                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 16:03 +0000
                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-13 13:59 +0200
                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 06:22 +1100
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          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 20:25 +1000
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              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 10:17 +1000
                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 02:21 -0700
                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-30 02:54 -0700
                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-01 06:25 +1000
                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-30 16:54 -0500
                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-02 04:47 +1100
                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-02 01:02 +0000
                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-02 18:05 +1100
                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-03 00:50 +0000
                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-05 07:50 +1100
                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-05 02:13 +0000
                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-05 11:23 +0200
                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-05 15:52 +0000
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                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-06 03:55 +0000
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                                      Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-06 16:23 +0200
                                        Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-07 09:15 +1100
                                          Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-07 09:59 +0200
                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-08 21:44 +1100
                                              Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-08 22:02 +0200
                                                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-09 09:58 +1100
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                                                            Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-11 19:04 +1100
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                                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-06 08:28 +1100
                                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-06 03:58 +0000
                Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-03 19:48 +0200
                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-03 19:50 +0000
                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-05 09:06 +1100
                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-05 10:59 +0200
                  Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-06 20:13 +1100
                    Re: Why GPS Supports BaTh and Refutes Einstein. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-07 08:07 -0500
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#394351

FromProkaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-30 02:21 -0700
Message-ID<f72ed5c3-a7b9-435e-b8b6-646dfb434aab@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#394306
On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 7:17:49 PM UTC-5, HGW wrote:
> On 29/09/16 21:35, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 5:25:18 AM UTC-5, HGW wrote:
> >> On 29/09/16 16:06, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> 
> >> That misses my point entirely. What are xn, yn and zn? Are they
> >> satellite coordinates when the signals are sent or when they are
> >> received?
> >
> > ***READ THE CODE***
> 
> It does not relate to what matters here

Of course it matters. Satellites regularly broadcast signals that pinpoint their
positions at precisely defined moments of satellite time; in other words, they
regularly specify events in the satellite coordinate system. Receivers compute
their pseudoranges to these events using the assumption of a constant speed of
light. Quartz clocks are generally only accurate to about 1 ppm. If fewer than
four satellites acquisitions are available, then, if we multiply one millionth 
of a second per second clock error by c, it should be evident that uncorrected 
pseudorange computations can easily misinterpret stationary objects as zooming 
along at 300 meters per second at a distance hundreds of thousands of kilometers
distant from their true positions. With four or more satellites, the receiver 
clock error can be computed, and the more satellites you have to work with, the 
the better your your position estimation.

The important thing to note when reading the source code, is that the 
pseudorange computations are made to x, y, z, t events in the satellite
coordinate system assuming constant speed of light, not to some complicated
x+dx, y+dy, z+dz, t+dt position where the magnitudes of dx, dy, dz, dt are 
calculated on the basis of how far the satellite would have moved in the time
it would have taken for light to have traveled from satellite to receiver.

There is a calculation to compensate for the Sagnac effect, i.e. relativity of
simultaneity, but that is a different computation entirely, and also assumes
constant speed of light. 

***READ THE SOURCE CODE.***
 
> > The ranges are based on when they are sent, making appropriate
> > corrections for the Sagnac effect and assuming constant c.
> 
> >> Also, what is wrong with considering the calculations from the
> >> clocks themselves. After all, the location on Earth is given by
> >> effectively drawing four solid arcs around each clock at a measured
> >> radius. The vectors are drawn from the clocks not the receiver.
> >> ..and the signals move at c relative to the clocks. However, the
> >> receiver could move 4 or 5 metres while the signal is traveling and
> >> that must be corrected out.
> >
> > The GPS code does not extrapolate satellite positions and it does not
> > need to. That is because c+v is nonsense.
> 
> What are you talking about? The GPS has to know precisely where each
> satellite is at the instant a time signal is received....not when it was
> sent.

No, the pseudorange computations are to the satellite positions at the time
when the signals were sent. ***READ THE SOURCE CODE.***

> The use of c+v automatically corrects for the satellite's radial
> movement and the fictitious Sagnac effect.

The source code makes use of c, not c+v. ***READ THE SOURCE CODE.***

> GPS exemplifies the way the name Einstein has been linked to every
> physics achievement when it really has nothing to do with it.
> It again proves the existence of a gigantic conspiracy of which you seem 
> to be part.
> 
> >> When it is, the answer you get is the same as that calculated at
> >> the receiver using c+v, where v is the radial speed of the clock.
> >
> > In your dreams.

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#394352

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2016-09-30 02:54 -0700
Message-ID<40770ecc-5f6c-43b8-8fa0-2bc987d88269@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#394351
W dniu piątek, 30 września 2016 11:21:42 UTC+2 użytkownik Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog napisał:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 7:17:49 PM UTC-5, HGW wrote:
> > On 29/09/16 21:35, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > > On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 5:25:18 AM UTC-5, HGW wrote:
> > >> On 29/09/16 16:06, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> > 
> > >> That misses my point entirely. What are xn, yn and zn? Are they
> > >> satellite coordinates when the signals are sent or when they are
> > >> received?
> > >
> > > ***READ THE CODE***
> > 
> > It does not relate to what matters here
> 
> Of course it matters. Satellites regularly broadcast signals that pinpoint their
> positions at precisely defined moments of satellite time; in other words, they
> regularly specify events in the satellite coordinate system.

And, unfortunately, this coordinate system
has nothing in common with the revolutional,
one and only proper path of creating coordinate 
systems invented by Great Guru. 

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#394439

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-10-01 06:25 +1000
Message-ID<nsmhn2$lv2$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#394351
On 30/09/16 19:21, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 7:17:49 PM UTC-5, HGW wrote:

>>>
>>> The GPS code does not extrapolate satellite positions and it does not
>>> need to. That is because c+v is nonsense.
>>
>> What are you talking about? The GPS has to know precisely where each
>> satellite is at the instant a time signal is received....not when it was
>> sent.

> No, the pseudorange computations are to the satellite positions at the time
> when the signals were sent. ***READ THE SOURCE CODE.***

....and that is no good to anyone. Clearly, the data has to be corrected 
to the satellite positions at time of receipt.

...The analysis is based on the assumption that the signals travel at c 
relative to the satellites. Subsequently, corrections are made to 
accommodate the movements of the satellites during signal transits and 
as I have pointed out, those corrections amount to using c+v directly.

>> The use of c+v automatically corrects for the satellite's radial
>> movement and the fictitious Sagnac effect.
>
> The source code makes use of c, not c+v. ***READ THE SOURCE CODE.***

It uses c as the signal speed relative to the satellites...which is 
correct. Relative to the receiver, the signals travel at c+v... and that 
assumption becomes apparent when one looks closely at how the 
corrections are applied.

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#394442

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2016-09-30 16:54 -0500
Message-ID<nPydnfFjXMi8QnPKnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#394439
On 9/30/16 9/30/16   3:25 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
> On 30/09/16 19:21, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
>> the pseudorange computations are to the satellite positions at the time
>> when the signals were sent. ***READ THE SOURCE CODE.***
>
> ....and that is no good to anyone. Clearly, the data has to be corrected to the
> satellite positions at time of receipt.

NONSENSE! The radio signal traveled satellite->receiver, and ALL that matters 
(for the calculation of the pseudorange between this satellite and this 
receiver) are the satellite position at transmission, the receiver position at 
reception, and the time between transmission and reception. Where the satellite 
happens to be when the receiver hears the signal has nothing whatsoever to do 
with anything.

	Just THINK about it -- the satellite knows when it sends its time
	mark, and knows where it is located when it sends it. It cannot
	possibly know its position when any given receiver receives that
	time mark, as there are MANY different receivers at MANY different
	distances from the satellite. So the satellite position at the
	time of reception cannot possibly matter.

	Just COMPUTE it -- the pseudo range does not depend in any way on
	where the satellite happens to be when the receiver receives the
	time mark. All that is needed for that calculation is the location
	of the satellite when it sent its time mark, the time contained in
	the time mark, and the time the receiver receives it (which is
	determined by a fit to 4 or more pseudoranges and time marks from
	4 or more satellites). As PCH says, READ THE SOURCE CODE.


> ...The analysis is based on the assumption that the signals travel at c relative
> to the satellites.

NO! The calculation is based on the FACT that that radio signals travel with 
speed c RELATIVE TO THE ECI COORDINATES. No matter how much you try to deny this 
fact, it remains a fact, and this _IS_ how GPS receivers calculate pseudoranges 
to satellites, and derive their position from them.

	If c+v was used, where v is the velocity of the satellite, the
	GPS simply would not have the accuracy it does. Moreover, YOU
	WOULD SEE THAT IN THE SOURCE CODE, but it isn't there....


> [... further fantasies and misconceptions]


Tom Roberts

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#394499

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-10-02 04:47 +1100
Message-ID<nsosqu$1m85$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#394442
On 01/10/16 07:54, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 9/30/16 9/30/16   3:25 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
>> On 30/09/16 19:21, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
>>> the pseudorange computations are to the satellite positions at the time
>>> when the signals were sent. ***READ THE SOURCE CODE.***
>>
>> ....and that is no good to anyone. Clearly, the data has to be
>> corrected to the
>> satellite positions at time of receipt.
>
> NONSENSE! The radio signal traveled satellite->receiver, and ALL that
> matters (for the calculation of the pseudorange between this satellite
> and this receiver) are the satellite position at transmission, the
> receiver position at reception, and the time between transmission and
> reception. Where the satellite happens to be when the receiver hears the
> signal has nothing whatsoever to do with anything.


>      Just THINK about it -- the satellite knows when it sends its time
>      mark, and knows where it is located when it sends it. It cannot
>      possibly know its position when any given receiver receives that
>      time mark, as there are MANY different receivers at MANY different
>      distances from the satellite. So the satellite position at the
>      time of reception cannot possibly matter.

Tom, Firstly, please read my original post and then consider its 
relevance to the principle of triangulation.
Let R be moving randomly relative to three fixed points. (For our 
purpose here, only radial speeds are relevant and the 'v' used below 
will refer to radial speed relative to R)

           P2
                          P3
P1

                   >
               R

R's location can be specified by its precise distance from the three 
points at any INSTANT. Those distances are truly represented by three 
vectors drawn between R and the points.

In the case of the GPS, R and the points are all moving relatively and 
communication between them is not instantaneous. The ECI coordinates of 
the points is known accurately at any instant. The time signals emitted 
by the points do not arrive at R at the same instant so R cannot know 
its exact distance to each point at any one particular instant. The 
consequence is that calculated vectors drawn from the points never meet 
precisely at one point.  Accuracy is improved in a number of ways, the 
use of four or more points being one.

The argument I have raised is that the signals travel at c+v rather than 
c and the accuracy of the system is actually improved as a result.
If R could establish its INSTANTANEOUS distance to each point the 
vectors would meet.

Consider that R is at rest with P1 and P3 but that P2 is moving at v.

R can rightly establish its fixed distances to P1 and P3 by using 
c(t'-t), where t' is time of receipt of time signal t. For P2 however, 
the same calculation will produce the distance to the known location of 
P2 when the signal was sent. That presents no problem since all three 
distances and point coordinates are known at one instant (since those to 
P1 and P2 are constant).
However if all three points are moving, because common time signals do 
not arrive simultaneously, the instantaneous distances cannot be 
determined, even though the coordinates are all known the time of emission.

My revelation is that because the signals really travel at c+v and the 
clocks move a distance vt during signal travel, the use of c(t'-t) which 
is just [(c+v)(t'-t) - vt] does effectively produce three distances at 
the SAME instant.
Einstein's error is very conveniently canceled out through the use of c 
rather than c+v.
Clever, eh?.

(The above facts might be easier to understand if the situation is 
viewed from the point of view of each clock, in which case the signals 
DO move at c relative to each and R moves at different speeds and 
directions in each frame.}


<religious propaganda snipped>

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#394549

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-10-02 01:02 +0000
Message-ID<nspmbk$a2m$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#394499
"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> writes:

>My revelation is that because the signals really travel at c+v and the 
>clocks move a distance vt during signal travel, the use of c(t'-t) which 
>is just [(c+v)(t'-t) - vt] does effectively produce three distances at 
>the SAME instant.
>Einstein's error is very conveniently canceled out through the use of c 
>rather than c+v.
>Clever, eh?.

Ralph Malcolm, explain your math. (c+v)(t'-t) is c(t'-t)+v(t'-t), or can
be written as c(t'-t)+vt'-vt.  So your [(c+v)(t'-t) - vt] becomes
c(t'-t)+vt'-2vt. This is not equal to c(t'-t). How is that any sort of
"revelation" or "clever" in any way, Ralph?

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#394570

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-10-02 18:05 +1100
Message-ID<nsqbk1$1f3e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#394549
On 02/10/16 12:02, Michael Moroney wrote:
> "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> writes:
>
>> My revelation is that because the signals really travel at c+v and the
>> clocks move a distance vt during signal travel, the use of c(t'-t) which
>> is just [(c+v)(t'-t) - vt] does effectively produce three distances at
>> the SAME instant.
>> Einstein's error is very conveniently canceled out through the use of c
>> rather than c+v.
>> Clever, eh?.
>
> Dr Wilson, explain your math. (c+v)(t'-t) is c(t'-t)+v(t'-t), or can
> be written as c(t'-t)+vt'-vt.  So your [(c+v)(t'-t) - vt] becomes
> c(t'-t)+vt'-2vt. This is not equal to c(t'-t). How is that any sort of
> "revelation" or "clever" in any way, Dr Wilson?

Poor idiot can't even understand what I wrote.....

It means, poor Irish clown, that by using c rather than true c+v, one 
automatically corrects for the source's movement during communication time.
-- 

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#394654

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-10-03 00:50 +0000
Message-ID<nssa0k$ssv$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#394570
HGW <hw@....> writes:

>On 02/10/16 12:02, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> writes:
>>
>>> My revelation is that because the signals really travel at c+v and the
>>> clocks move a distance vt during signal travel, the use of c(t'-t) which
>>> is just [(c+v)(t'-t) - vt] does effectively produce three distances at
>>> the SAME instant.
>>> Einstein's error is very conveniently canceled out through the use of c
>>> rather than c+v.
>>> Clever, eh?.
>>
>> Dr Wilson, explain your math. (c+v)(t'-t) is c(t'-t)+v(t'-t), or can
>> be written as c(t'-t)+vt'-vt.  So your [(c+v)(t'-t) - vt] becomes
>> c(t'-t)+vt'-2vt. This is not equal to c(t'-t). How is that any sort of
>> "revelation" or "clever" in any way, Dr Wilson?

>Poor idiot can't even understand what I wrote.....

Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, that is because you keep messing with my posts,
Ralph, by making it look like I was speaking to some nonexistent
Dr. Wilson, Ralph Rabbidge.  Ralph, as I just showed you, Ralph Malcolm
Rabbidge, your math is all screwed up, Ralph.

Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, first of all, Ralph, the GPS receiver needs to
know the exact time and position of the satellite when it sends the
data, Ralph.  Ralph Rabbidge, the position of the satellite some time
later is irrelevant, Ralph.

Ralph, secondly, I showed you that c(t'-t) is most certainly *not* equal
to [(c+v)(t'-t) - vt] as you foolishly claim, Ralph.  So Ralph Rabbidge,
yet another attempt at proving light moves at c+v has failed, Ralph.

And as was pointed out to you many times, Ralph, *read the source code*,
Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge.

>It means, poor Irish clown, that by using c rather than true c+v, one 
>automatically corrects for the source's movement during communication time.

Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, why attack your own ethnicity, Ralph?  Rabbidge is
a fine Irish name, Ralph.  And once again, Ralph, the GPS source's
movement after the signal broadcast is irrelevant, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge.
Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, what if a positioning thruster accidentally fired
at full strength after the signal was sent, Ralph?  It would not affect
the calculations based on that signal one bit, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge.
Ralph, of course, all signals *after* the accidental firing would be
corrupted, Ralph.


>

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#394844

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-10-05 07:50 +1100
Message-ID<nt14ne$d56$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#394654
On 03/10/16 11:50, Michael Moroney wrote:

"I'm so stupid I did not realize that all GPS 1.00.000000am time signals 
did NOT arrive at a ground receiver at the same instant. They might be 
milliseconds apart. In fact no 4 time signals arrive at the same instant 
and so the receiver has to correct for that. Without people as clever as 
Henry Wilson the system would never work"

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#394873

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-10-05 02:13 +0000
Message-ID<nt1nkl$fd9$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#394844
HGW <hw@....> writes:

>On 03/10/16 11:50, Michael Moroney wrote:

>"I'm so stupid I did not realize that all GPS 1.00.000000am time signals 
>did NOT arrive at a ground receiver at the same instant. They might be 
>milliseconds apart. In fact no 4 time signals arrive at the same instant 
>and so the receiver has to correct for that. Without people as clever as 
>Henry Wilson the system would never work"

Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, I see you have no answer to my factual statement
that the GPS receiver needs multiple (x,y,z,t) coordinates of the exact
positions/times of the satellites to solve the equations to determine its
location, Ralph.  Ralph Rabbidge, the (x,y,z,t) parameters transmitted by
the satellites are EXACT (as exact as the clocks/orbital data the
satellites have), and they are not ESTIMATES as you (Ralph Malcolm
Rabbidge) would have it use, an ESTIMATE of a current position based on
an ESTIMATE on some v, which you (Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge) and your dirty
BaThwater claim affects the speed of the signal.  Of what use is this
ESTIMATED satellite position, Ralph?  Ralph, we have no signal from it
telling us what time it is when the satellite is at the ESTIMATED
position, assuming it actually gets there, Ralph Rabbidge.  After all,
Ralph Rabbidge, there are three position variables, Ralph, and even if
your BaThwater crock was true, Ralph, and we happened to know v, Ralph,
that isn't enough information to compute three position variables, Ralph
Rabbidge.  And Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, an error of just 1 nanosecond
in the time you derive from your estimates, Ralph, produce an error of
30 cm, Ralph Rabbidge.

Also, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, it does not matter whether the multiple
satellite signals are received at different times, Ralph Rabbidge.
Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, the receiver has to solve multiple 4 equations
in 4 unknowns for the receivers (x,y,z,t) with equations 
c^2(t-tj)^2 = (x-xj)^2 + (y-yj)^2 + (z-zj)^2   for multiple j's.
Ralph Rabbidge, note that the receiver gets EXACT values since the
(xj,yj,zj,tj) from the satellites are known exactly, as is the speed of
the signal to the receiver, c, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge. Ralph Rabbidge, why
would its position at some possibly unknown time later be at all helpful,
Ralph?

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#394902

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2016-10-05 11:23 +0200
Message-ID<nt2gqo$eed$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#394844
On 04.10.2016 22:50, HGW wrote:
>
> ".. all GPS 1.00.000000am time signals
> did NOT arrive at a ground receiver at the same instant. They might be
> milliseconds apart. In fact no 4 time signals arrive at the same instant
> and so the receiver has to correct for that. Without people as clever as
> Henry Wilson the system would never work"

Who is so stupid that he believes this? :-D

The GPS signals are continuous, so the receiver is at any time
simultaneously receiving the times of transmission of the signals
from several satellites (>=4).

Each satellite is transmitting the time signal at regular intervals,
but the PRN signal is synced to this time and is transmitted
continuously. Since the satellites are identified by the PRN
signals which are known by the receiver, and is locked to the PRN
in a phase locked loop, the receiver will by counting the PRN bits
always know the time of transmission of the signal it is receiving
now.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#394922

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-10-05 15:52 +0000
Message-ID<nt37kc$gj3$4@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#394902
"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> writes:

>The GPS signals are continuous, so the receiver is at any time
>simultaneously receiving the times of transmission of the signals
>from several satellites (>=4).

>Each satellite is transmitting the time signal at regular intervals,
>but the PRN signal is synced to this time and is transmitted
>continuously. Since the satellites are identified by the PRN
>signals which are known by the receiver, and is locked to the PRN
>in a phase locked loop, the receiver will by counting the PRN bits
>always know the time of transmission of the signal it is receiving
>now.

I forgot about this.  The GPS knows the time of each satellite just
by adding the time from the last broadcast of the time to the time
corresponding to the PRN bit count since then (all delayed by the
distance over c, of course).

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#394956

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-10-06 08:30 +1100
Message-ID<nt3reh$h99$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#394922
On 06/10/16 02:52, Michael Moroney wrote:
> "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> writes:
>
>> The GPS signals are continuous, so the receiver is at any time
>> simultaneously receiving the times of transmission of the signals
>>from several satellites (>=4).
>
>> Each satellite is transmitting the time signal at regular intervals,
>> but the PRN signal is synced to this time and is transmitted
>> continuously. Since the satellites are identified by the PRN
>> signals which are known by the receiver, and is locked to the PRN
>> in a phase locked loop, the receiver will by counting the PRN bits
>> always know the time of transmission of the signal it is receiving
>> now.
>
> I forgot about this.  The GPS knows the time of each satellite just
> by adding the time from the last broadcast of the time to the time
> corresponding to the PRN bit count since then (all delayed by the
> distance over c, of course).

...and since it is the distance that you are trying to determine, you 
are in a bit of trouble....



-- 

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#394975

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-10-06 03:55 +0000
Message-ID<nt4i0f$j3e$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#394956
HGW <hw@....> writes:

>On 06/10/16 02:52, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> writes:
>>
>>> The GPS signals are continuous, so the receiver is at any time
>>> simultaneously receiving the times of transmission of the signals
>>>from several satellites (>=4).
>>
>>> Each satellite is transmitting the time signal at regular intervals,
>>> but the PRN signal is synced to this time and is transmitted
>>> continuously. Since the satellites are identified by the PRN
>>> signals which are known by the receiver, and is locked to the PRN
>>> in a phase locked loop, the receiver will by counting the PRN bits
>>> always know the time of transmission of the signal it is receiving
>>> now.
>>
>> I forgot about this.  The GPS knows the time of each satellite just
>> by adding the time from the last broadcast of the time to the time
>> corresponding to the PRN bit count since then (all delayed by the
>> distance over c, of course).

>...and since it is the distance that you are trying to determine, you 
>are in a bit of trouble....

No, Ralph.  We are trying to determine our position (and the time).
From the broadcast position and time (which we know is the broadcast
time plus the PRN bit count time) from 4 satellites, we solve four
equations and four unknowns to get the position and time.

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#394984

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-10-06 20:03 +1100
Message-ID<nt53vl$6mp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#394975
On 06/10/16 14:55, Michael Moroney wrote:
> HGW <hw@....> writes:
know the time of transmission of the signal it is receiving
>>>> now.
>>>
>>> I forgot about this.  The GPS knows the time of each satellite just
>>> by adding the time from the last broadcast of the time to the time
>>> corresponding to the PRN bit count since then (all delayed by the
>>> distance over c, of course).
>
>> ...and since it is the distance that you are trying to determine, you
>> are in a bit of trouble....
>
> No, Doctor.  We are trying to determine our position (and the time).
>  From the broadcast position and time (which we know is the broadcast
> time plus the PRN bit count time) from 4 satellites, we solve four
> equations and four unknowns to get the position and time.

You said "all delayed by the distance over c". The distances are all 
different. Until you know the distance, you cannot determine the delays 
of each signal. No two signals will arrive at the same instant and so 
the positions of each clock will have to be corrected to bring them all 
into line with a common time.

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#394986

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-10-06 20:21 +1100
Message-ID<nt552j$8jp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#394975
On 06/10/16 14:55, Michael Moroney wrote:
> HGW <hw@....> writes:

>
>> ...and since it is the distance that you are trying to determine, you
>> are in a bit of trouble....
>.
>  No, Dr.  We are trying to determine our position (and the time).
>  From the broadcast position and time (which we know is the broadcast
> time plus the PRN bit count time) from 4 satellites, we solve four
> equations and four unknowns to get the position and time.

...and in the time it takes to do all that, the receiver will have moved 
considerably.
>

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#394998

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2016-10-06 16:23 +0200
Message-ID<nt5mpp$ojn$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#394956
On 05.10.2016 23:30, HGW wrote:
> On 06/10/16 02:52, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> writes:
>>
>>> The GPS signals are continuous, so the receiver is at any time
>>> simultaneously receiving the times of transmission of the signals
>>> from several satellites (>=4).
>>
>>> Each satellite is transmitting the time signal at regular intervals,
>>> but the PRN signal is synced to this time and is transmitted
>>> continuously. Since the satellites are identified by the PRN
>>> signals which are known by the receiver, and is locked to the PRN
>>> in a phase locked loop, the receiver will by counting the PRN bits
>>> always know the time of transmission of the signal it is receiving
>>> now.
>>
>> I forgot about this.  The GPS knows the time of each satellite just
>> by adding the time from the last broadcast of the time to the time
>> corresponding to the PRN bit count since then

Exactly.
So at any time the receiver will know the times of transmission
of all the signals it is receiving 'now'. And since the receiver
knows the nominal position of the SVs as a function of time,
and it has received the orbit correction data from the SVs,
it will know the exact [*] position of all the SVs when they
transmitted the signals it is receiving 'now'.

   [*] within the precision of the SV clock


>> (all delayed by thedistance over c, of course).

Yes, but not quite. c is the speed of light in vacuum,
but the signal is not in vacuum. It has to pass the ionosphere
which is a plasma, and the speed of light in a plasma is lower
than c. So the signal will be delayed in the ionosphere.
This delay varies between daytime and nighttime, it varies
with latitude, it varies with season, and it varies with
solar activity (the ionosphere is ionized by the solar wind).
The diurnal variation is strongest, a typical variation in
the delay will be ~ 10 ns at night, and 50 - 80 ns during
the day. This delay must be corrected for, which is done
as follows:
The receiver has a model of the ionosphere to calculate
the delay. This model has a number of parameters which
depend on the conditions in the ionosphere. The GPS
monitoring stations will monitor the ionosphere and
calculate the values of these parameters and upload
them to the SVs, which will transmit them to the receiver.

>
> ...and since it is the distance that you are trying to determine, you
> are in a bit of trouble....

What are you babbling about?

All you have to do is to solve the four equations
with respect to the time of reception t and
the position of the receiver (x,y,z):
(with the correction mentioned above)

(tn-t) = sqrt((x_n - x)^2 + (y_n - y)^2 + (z_n - z)^2)/c
n = 1,2,3,4

where tn is the known time of transmission of the signal from SV n,
and (x_n, y_n, z_n) is its known position at the time t_n.

All coordinates in the ECI-frame.

And note:

The radial speed of the satellites at 45 degrees from vertical
is ~ +/- 600m/s = +/- 2E-6 c.
If the speed of light were source dependent this would
give a variation in the delay of +/- 133ns as the satellite
passed from +45 degrees to -45 degrees.
The GPS wouldn't work.
But the GPS does work so the speed of light doesn't depend
on the speed of the source.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#395040

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-10-07 09:15 +1100
Message-ID<nt6idm$19gr$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#394998
On 07/10/16 01:23, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

> So at any time the receiver will know the times of transmission
> of all the signals it is receiving 'now'. And since the receiver
> knows the nominal position of the SVs as a function of time,
> and it has received the orbit correction data from the SVs,
> it will know the exact [*] position of all the SVs when they
> transmitted the signals it is receiving 'now'.
>
>    [*] within the precision of the SV clock
>
>
>>> (all delayed by thedistance over c, of course).
>
> Yes, but not quite. c is the speed of light in vacuum,
> but the signal is not in vacuum. It has to pass the ionosphere
> which is a plasma, and the speed of light in a plasma is lower
> than c. So the signal will be delayed in the ionosphere.
> This delay varies between daytime and nighttime, it varies
> with latitude, it varies with season, and it varies with
> solar activity (the ionosphere is ionized by the solar wind).
> The diurnal variation is strongest, a typical variation in
> the delay will be ~ 10 ns at night, and 50 - 80 ns during
> the day. This delay must be corrected for, which is done
> as follows:
> The receiver has a model of the ionosphere to calculate
> the delay. This model has a number of parameters which
> depend on the conditions in the ionosphere. The GPS
> monitoring stations will monitor the ionosphere and
> calculate the values of these parameters and upload
> them to the SVs, which will transmit them to the receiver.

In reality, this provides a neat way of empirically correcting out the 
use of c rather than c+v without actually telling anyone. (not to 
mention the infamous 'GR corretion' and all the other bogus SR based 
corrections)

>> ...and since it is the distance that you are trying to determine, you
>> are in a bit of trouble....
>
> What are you babbling about?
>
> All you have to do is to solve the four equations
> with respect to the time of reception t and
> the position of the receiver (x,y,z):
> (with the correction mentioned above)
>
> (tn-t) = sqrt((x_n - x)^2 + (y_n - y)^2 + (z_n - z)^2)/c
> n = 1,2,3,4
>
> where tn is the known time of transmission of the signal from SV n,
> and (x_n, y_n, z_n) is its known position at the time t_n.
>
> All coordinates in the ECI-frame.
>
> And note:
>
> The radial speed of the satellites at 45 degrees from vertical
> is ~ +/- 600m/s = +/- 2E-6 c.
> If the speed of light were source dependent this would
> give a variation in the delay of +/- 133ns as the satellite
> passed from +45 degrees to -45 degrees.
> The GPS wouldn't work.

> But the GPS does work so the speed of light doesn't depend
> on the speed of the source.

In the frame of a satellite, the clock is at rest, the signal departs at 
speed c and the receiver is moving. The signal leaves at time t and 
arrives at t'. Both are recorded as numbers on presynched clocks. From 
the satellite's POV, the term c(t'-t) is the length of a line between it 
and the current position of the moving receiver.
 From the receiver's POV, the satellite has moved so the same line 
c(t'-t) must be the distance from IT to the CURRENT position of the 
satellite.




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#395077

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2016-10-07 09:59 +0200
Message-ID<nt7km0$5ml$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#395040
On 07.10.2016 00:15, HGW wrote:
> On 07/10/16 01:23, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>
>> All you have to do is to solve the four equations
>> with respect to the time of reception t and
>> the position of the receiver (x,y,z):
>>
>> (t-tn) = sqrt((x_n - x)^2 + (y_n - y)^2 + (z_n - z)^2)/c
>> n = 1,2,3,4
>>
>> where tn is the known time of transmission of the signal from SV n,
>> and (x_n, y_n, z_n) is its known position at the time t_n.
>>
>> All coordinates in the ECI-frame.
>>
>> And note:
>>
>> The radial speed of the satellites at 45 degrees from vertical
>> is ~ +/- 600m/s = +/- 2E-6 c.
>> If the speed of light were source dependent this would
>> give a variation in the delay of +/- 133ns as the satellite
>> passed from +45 degrees to -45 degrees.
>> The GPS wouldn't work.
>
>> But the GPS does work so the speed of light doesn't depend
>> on the speed of the source.

This is one falsification of the emission theory, and thanks
for giving yet another falsification of the emission theory:

> In the frame of a satellite, the clock is at rest, the signal departs at
> speed c and the receiver is moving. The signal leaves at time t and
> arrives at t'. Both are recorded as numbers on presynched clocks. From
> the satellite's POV, the term c(t'-t) is the length of a line between it
> and the current position of the moving receiver.
> From the receiver's POV, the satellite has moved so the same line
> c(t'-t) must be the distance from IT to the CURRENT position of the
> satellite.
>

The reason why the c(t'-t) is the distance between the satellite
and receiver at the time of reception is obviously based on
the assumptions that Galilean relativity applies and that
the speed of light is c in the source frame and thus c+/-v
in the receiver frame. (v is the radial speed)

The fact that the GPS works when the equations I showed above
are used prove that c(t'-t) is the distance between the position
of the satellite at the time of emission and the position of
the receiver at the time of reception.
Your scenario is thus a falsification of the emission theory.

Thanks again, Ralph.
Well done!


-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#395184

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-10-08 21:44 +1100
Message-ID<ntailk$1nge$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#395077
On 07/10/16 18:59, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> On 07.10.2016 00:15, HGW wrote:

>
> The reason why the c(t'-t) is the distance between the satellite
> and receiver at the time of reception is obviously based on
> the assumptions that Galilean relativity applies and that
> the speed of light is c in the source frame and thus c+/-v
> in the receiver frame. (v is the radial speed)
>
> The fact that the GPS works when the equations I showed above
> are used prove that c(t'-t) is the distance between the position
> of the satellite at the time of emission and the position of
> the receiver at the time of reception.
> Your scenario is thus a falsification of the emission theory.

Paul, four lines are effectively drawn from the clock coordinates at 
signal emission time and their arcs intersect on Earth. Their lengths 
are c(t'-t). The speed of the signals is c relative to the clocks. That 
is why the the GPS works. GPS prove BaTh.

> Thanks again, Ralph.
> Well done!
>
>

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