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Clarification of Simultaneity.

Started byHGW <hw@....>
First post2016-09-25 17:24 +1000
Last post2016-10-13 19:32 +1100
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  Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-25 17:24 +1000
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 10:36 +0200
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-25 12:00 +0200
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-25 20:02 +1000
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 12:25 +0200
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-25 14:41 +0200
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-26 06:52 +1000
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2016-09-25 08:46 -0600
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-09-25 20:21 +0200
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-26 06:55 +1000
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 00:18 -0500
                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-25 23:16 -0700
                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-26 20:01 +1000
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-01 21:13 +0200
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-26 06:53 +1000
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-26 03:18 +0000
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-26 20:03 +1000
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-27 01:20 +0000
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-09-27 13:22 +1000
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 20:11 +1000
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-09-27 20:18 +1000
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-28 14:25 +1000
                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-09-28 14:49 +1000
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 08:49 +1000
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-27 03:33 -0700
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-25 05:36 -0700
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-26 06:58 +1000
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 17:12 -0500
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-25 16:27 -0700
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-09-25 20:44 -0600
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 08:17 -0500
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 06:35 -0700
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-26 07:13 -0700
                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 09:42 -0500
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-27 06:47 -0700
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 09:08 -0500
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-27 08:04 -0700
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 11:10 -0500
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-27 12:54 -0700
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 14:59 -0500
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-28 06:11 -0700
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 09:29 -0500
                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-28 09:15 -0700
                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:37 -0500
                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:54 -0500
                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-28 13:30 -0700
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:36 -0500
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 10:58 -0700
                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 21:05 +0200
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 09:22 +1000
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-27 13:39 +0200
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 09:17 +1000
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-29 10:37 +0200
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 19:56 +1000
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:20 -0500
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 10:30 +1000
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-27 06:27 -0700
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Python <python@org.invalid> - 2016-09-27 15:45 +0200
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 09:05 -0500
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-27 07:54 -0700
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 10:05 -0500
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-27 12:51 -0700
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 14:58 -0500
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-28 06:00 -0700
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 09:27 -0500
                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-28 23:33 -0700
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-28 15:14 +0200
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-28 09:05 -0700
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:37 -0500
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-28 14:09 -0700
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:48 -0500
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 14:24 +1000
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:08 -0500
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-29 05:48 -0700
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:26 -0500
                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-30 07:08 -0700
                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 09:29 -0500
                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-01 07:57 -0700
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:52 -0500
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-03 06:04 -0700
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 10:04 -0500
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-03 06:36 -0700
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 10:07 -0500
                                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-04 07:19 +1100
                                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 15:25 -0500
                                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-05 09:24 +1100
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-30 06:23 -0700
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 09:17 -0500
                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-01 07:10 -0700
                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 18:34 -0500
                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-02 18:41 +1100
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 09:41 -0500
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-04 06:47 +1100
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 15:14 -0500
                                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-05 09:25 +1100
                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-02 07:33 -0700
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-03 09:01 -0500
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-03 07:22 -0700
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 09:51 -0500
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-04 06:52 +1100
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 15:15 -0500
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-05 01:18 -0700
                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 08:24 -0500
                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-03 06:46 -0700
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 12:25 -0500
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-04 04:36 -0700
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:55 -0500
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-04 15:02 +0000
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-29 03:05 +0000
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 14:26 +1000
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-29 15:42 +0000
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 10:37 +1000
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-30 03:38 +0000
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 07:15 -0500
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-07 23:22 +0200
                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-08 21:01 +1100
                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-08 19:25 +0200
                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-09 20:22 +1100
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-09 14:33 +0200
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-13 05:35 +0200
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-13 18:42 +1100
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-14 21:08 +0200
                                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-15 06:35 +1100
                                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-15 06:10 +0200
                                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-16 05:06 +1100
                                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-15 22:02 +0200
                                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-16 01:38 +0000
                                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-16 09:43 +0200
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-29 10:44 +0200
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-15 12:13 -0700
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-16 06:22 +1100
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-26 06:12 +0200
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-26 20:05 +1000
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-27 06:24 +0200
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 20:18 +1000
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-27 21:30 +0200
                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-28 11:24 +1000
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-29 22:12 +0200
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 10:28 +1000
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-30 06:59 +0200
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-01 05:24 +1000
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-01 06:31 +0200
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-01 20:09 +1000
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-10-01 13:27 +0200
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-01 17:44 +0200
                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-02 08:54 +1100
                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 03:33 +0200
                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-02 18:27 +1100
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 22:11 +0200
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-03 09:11 +1100
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-03 07:04 +0200
                                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-05 09:22 +1100
                                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-05 05:22 +0200
                                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-06 07:41 +1100
                                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-06 06:54 +0200
                                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-07 10:10 +1100
                                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-07 06:18 +0200
                                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-06 23:46 -0700
                                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-07 22:59 +0200
                                                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-08 21:07 +1100
                                                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-08 19:33 +0200
                                                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-09 05:26 +0200
                                                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-10 06:39 +0200
                                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-08 09:25 +1100
                                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-08 19:26 +0200
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-04 14:48 +1100
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 13:27 -0700
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-05 20:41 +0200
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-05 23:48 -0700
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-16 09:40 +0200
                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-16 11:33 +0200
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-16 18:25 +0200
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-17 00:02 -0700
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-17 21:18 +0200
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-17 23:36 -0700
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-26 09:11 +0200
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-26 01:56 -0700
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-26 22:39 +0200
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-29 12:18 +0200
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-09-25 11:38 +0200
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-25 05:54 -0700
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-09-25 16:39 +0200
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-25 21:53 +0200
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-26 07:02 +1000
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 10:17 +0200
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 01:46 -0700
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-26 20:14 +1000
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 20:59 +0200
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 09:24 +1000
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 08:45 +0200
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-03 08:57 -0500
                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-03 18:18 +0200
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-04 06:56 +1100
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-04 05:14 +0200
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-04 16:31 +1100
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-04 15:19 -0500
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-05 05:40 +0200
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-06 10:05 +1100
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-12 04:55 +0200
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-13 09:02 +1100
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-13 04:27 +0200
                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-13 19:32 +1100
                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-17 21:07 +0200
                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 07:40 +1100
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-18 06:32 +0200
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-19 07:23 +1100
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-18 17:21 -0700
                                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-19 19:30 +0000
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-19 04:59 +0200
                                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-20 04:05 +1100
                                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-19 21:06 +0200
                                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 04:12 +1100
                                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-20 10:59 -0700
                                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-20 18:15 +0000
                                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-21 05:37 +0200
                                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 20:35 +1100
                                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-21 22:12 +0200
                                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-21 20:20 +0000
                                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-21 22:56 +0200
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 14:07 -0700
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-04 04:52 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 17:04 -0500
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 13:13 -0700
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 09:27 +1000
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 06:12 -0500
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 13:42 -0700
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:43 -0500
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 13:08 -0700
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 14:21 -0700
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 16:29 -0500
                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-30 05:57 -0700
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 09:15 -0500
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-01 06:30 -0700
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:07 -0500
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-03 05:57 -0700
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 10:03 -0500
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Python <python@org.invalid> - 2016-09-30 16:17 +0200
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-01 06:44 -0700
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Python <python@python.invalid> - 2016-10-01 18:24 +0200
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-02 06:25 -0700
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 08:24 -0500
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-03 06:50 -0700
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 12:27 -0500
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-04 04:37 -0700
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:55 -0500
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-05 01:21 -0700
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-30 14:32 +0000
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-30 18:28 +0200
                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:03 -0700
                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:00 -0500
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 02:53 -0700
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-02 05:43 -0700
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 13:21 -0700
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-04 18:01 -0700
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 13:39 -0700
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-06 08:05 -0700
                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:59 -0700
                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-06 19:09 -0700
                                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 14:13 -0700
                                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-07 20:25 -0700
                                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-09 09:35 -0700
                                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-09 10:36 -0700
                                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 13:42 -0700
                                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-10 15:35 -0700
                                                Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 14:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-16 10:16 -0700
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-02 06:55 -0700
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-02 13:26 -0700
                        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-03 05:40 -0700
                          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-03 10:27 -0700
                            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-10-04 04:39 -0700
                              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-04 05:53 -0700
                      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 09:49 -0500
                    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-11 07:47 +0200
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-30 03:49 +0000
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-27 20:22 -0500
        Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 13:00 -0700
          Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-09-30 11:58 +0200
            Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-30 13:47 +0000
              Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-09-30 19:24 +0200
    Clarification of Simultaneity. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-29 19:27 -0700
      Clarification of Simultaneity. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-29 19:32 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-02 16:22 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-02 16:23 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-03 16:28 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-04 14:34 +1100
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 14:43 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 15:02 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 16:22 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 16:23 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 16:46 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-05 14:16 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-07 15:07 -0700
    Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-10-07 15:09 -0700
    Clarification of Simultaneity. John Gogo <jfgogo22@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 19:36 -0700
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-13 14:54 +1100
      Re: Clarification of Simultaneity. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-13 19:32 +1100

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#393694 — Clarification of Simultaneity.

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-09-25 17:24 +1000
SubjectClarification of Simultaneity.
Message-ID<ns7u3f$1lb2$1@gioia.aioe.org>
Two events that are absolutely simultaneous will not, in general, appear 
to be simultaneous. That is a consequence of the finite speed of light 
and is not an indication that simultaneity is relative.

Einstein and his followers were always too stupid to realize this.

Without the RoS, the whole of Einstein's theory becomes nonsensical.

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#393700

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-25 10:36 +0200
Message-ID<ns829s$vro$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#393694
Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
> Two events that are absolutely simultaneous will not, in general, appear 
> to be simultaneous. That is a consequence of the finite speed of light 
> and is not an indication that simultaneity is relative.
> 

How do you define absolute simultaneity ?

-- 
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#393715

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2016-09-25 12:00 +0200
Message-ID<ns878j$7jj$1@node1.news.atman.pl>
In reply to#393700

Użytkownik "Poutnik"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:ns829s$vro$1@dont-email.me...

Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
> Two events that are absolutely simultaneous will not, in general, appear
> to be simultaneous. That is a consequence of the finite speed of light
> and is not an indication that simultaneity is relative.
>

|How do you define absolute simultaneity ?

How do you define "define", poor idiot?

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#393716

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-09-25 20:02 +1000
Message-ID<ns87bu$36k$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#393700
On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
> Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
>> Two events that are absolutely simultaneous will not, in general, appear
>> to be simultaneous. That is a consequence of the finite speed of light
>> and is not an indication that simultaneity is relative.
>>
>
> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?

You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched 
while together.
Simple isn't it. I'm sure you could have worked that out yourself if you 
really tried.



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#393717

FromPoutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-25 12:25 +0200
Message-ID<ns88mo$ibi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#393716
Dne 25/09/2016 v 12:02 HGW napsal(a):
> On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>> Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
>>> Two events that are absolutely simultaneous will not, in general, appear
>>> to be simultaneous. That is a consequence of the finite speed of light
>>> and is not an indication that simultaneity is relative.
>>>
>>
>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
> 
> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched 
> while together.

It would work if absolutely synced clocks ever existed,
as their sync is frame dependent.

-
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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#393725

FromMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2016-09-25 14:41 +0200
Message-ID<ns8gnb$3sl$1@node2.news.atman.pl>
In reply to#393717

Użytkownik "Poutnik"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:ns88mo$ibi$1@dont-email.me...

|It would work if absolutely synced clocks ever existed,
|as their sync is frame dependent.

And, of course, no heaavier-than-air plane can fly.
So said The Laws of Physics!!!!

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#393759

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-09-26 06:52 +1000
Message-ID<ns9dct$31l$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#393717
On 25/09/16 20:25, Poutnik wrote:
> Dne 25/09/2016 v 12:02 HGW napsal(a):

>>>
>>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
>>
>> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched
>> while together.
>
> It would work if absolutely synced clocks ever existed,
> as their sync is frame dependent.

It works in the REAL universe we inhabit.

> -
> Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
> Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
>

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#393734

FromMike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net>
Date2016-09-25 08:46 -0600
Message-ID<bade9a0f-546f-55cd-f766-c5f8cb4b8d25@comcast.net>
In reply to#393716
On 9/25/16 4:02 AM, HGW wrote:
> On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>> Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
>>
>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
>
> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched
> while together.
>

If a collection of co-located clocks at rest in some inertial reference
frame are synchronized, and then arbitrarily-slowly separated, you
get the same synchronization that you get with Einstein's method
using light signals.  If the same procedure is used in some other
inertial reference frame to synchronize THEIR clocks, and if the
clocks in each of those frames (together with observers permanently
co-located with those clocks in each of the frames) are used to check
the synchronization of the momentarily co-located clocks in the other
frame, each frame will find that the clocks in the other frame aren't
synchronized.

-- 
   https://sites.google.com/site/cadoequation/cado-reference-frame

   "Accelerated Observers in Special Relativity", PHYSICS ESSAYS, 
December 1999, p629.

   All you ever need to know about the twin "paradox".

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#393749

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2016-09-25 20:21 +0200
Message-ID<2997572.QJadu78ljV@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#393734
Mike Fontenot wrote:

> On 9/25/16 4:02 AM, HGW wrote:
>> On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>>> Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
>>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
>> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched
>> while together.
> 
> If a collection of co-located clocks at rest in some inertial reference
> frame are synchronized, and then arbitrarily-slowly separated, you
> get the same synchronization that you get with Einstein's method
> using light signals. 

The only separation speed that would allow this is zero, and the result 
would be no separation at all.  For all other speeds, time dilation applies.
So, by contrast to Einstein’s method, this method is neither feasible nor 
reliable.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#393761

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-09-26 06:55 +1000
Message-ID<ns9dis$31l$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#393749
On 26/09/16 04:21, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Mike Fontenot wrote:
>
>> On 9/25/16 4:02 AM, HGW wrote:
>>> On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>>>> Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
>>>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
>>> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched
>>> while together.
>>
>> If a collection of co-located clocks at rest in some inertial reference
>> frame are synchronized, and then arbitrarily-slowly separated, you
>> get the same synchronization that you get with Einstein's method
>> using light signals.
>
> The only separation speed that would allow this is zero, and the result
> would be no separation at all.  For all other speeds, time dilation applies.
> So, by contrast to Einstein’s method, this method is neither feasible nor
> reliable.

It doesn't matter how the clocks are separated...as long as you don't 
break them. They will remain in synch...within known drift.

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#393809

FromTom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2016-09-26 00:18 -0500
Message-ID<OOKdnR2bxYotMnXKnZ2dnUU7_81g4p2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#393761
On 9/25/16 9/25/16   3:55 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
> It doesn't matter how the clocks are separated...as long as you don't break
> them. They will remain in synch...within known drift.

This is just plain not true in the world we inhabit.

You can take two atomic clocks, synchronize them together, put one in a car or 
airplane and take it on a round trip, and when it comes back to the first they 
VISIBLY display different times, differing by more than their inherent resolutions.

Your fantasy world is NOT the world we inhabit.


Tom Roberts

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#393812

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2016-09-25 23:16 -0700
Message-ID<c1a05a70-bdf5-4604-8437-4d9f2e1037f3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#393809
W dniu poniedziałek, 26 września 2016 07:18:46 UTC+2 użytkownik tjrob137 napisał:
> On 9/25/16 9/25/16   3:55 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
> > It doesn't matter how the clocks are separated...as long as you don't break
> > them. They will remain in synch...within known drift.
> 
> This is just plain not true in the world we inhabit.

The world you inhabit is the world of your 
moronic dreams.

> 
> You can take two atomic clocks, synchronize them together, put one in a car or 
> airplane and take it on a round trip, and when it comes back to the first they 
> VISIBLY display different times, differing by more than their inherent resolutions.
> 
> Your fantasy world is NOT the world we inhabit.

We can do the same with satellites of GPS. 
The results are different, than you describe.
That's because clocks there are serious.
Your fantasy world IS the world you inhabit.

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#393837

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-09-26 20:01 +1000
Message-ID<nsarm5$1v0s$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#393809
On 26/09/16 15:18, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 9/25/16 9/25/16   3:55 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote:
>> It doesn't matter how the clocks are separated...as long as you don't
>> break
>> them. They will remain in synch...within known drift.
>
> This is just plain not true in the world we inhabit.
>
> You can take two atomic clocks, synchronize them together, put one in a
> car or airplane and take it on a round trip, and when it comes back to
> the first they VISIBLY display different times, differing by more than
> their inherent resolutions.
>
> Your fantasy world is NOT the world we inhabit.

Tom, when are you going to wake up to the fact that it is YOU who lives 
in fantasy land.

>
> Tom Roberts
>


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#394510

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2016-10-01 21:13 +0200
Message-ID<7201858.T7Z3S40VBb@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#393749
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Mike Fontenot wrote:
>> On 9/25/16 4:02 AM, HGW wrote:
>>> On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>>>> Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
>>>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
>>> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched
>>> while together.
>> If a collection of co-located clocks at rest in some inertial reference
>> frame are synchronized, and then arbitrarily-slowly separated, you
>> get the same synchronization that you get with Einstein's method
>> using light signals.
> 
> The only separation speed that would allow this is zero, and the result
> would be no separation at all.  For all other speeds, time dilation
> applies. So, by contrast to Einstein’s method, this method is neither
> feasible nor reliable.

Clarification:

In a perfect world where there are no gravity wells along the way one could 
separate the clocks at a relative speed that is known for an infinitesimal 
time interval with arbitrary precision.  Then, if also the clocks had 
arbitrary precision, one would precisely know the time dilation between the 
clocks and could re-sync them without actually looking at the other clock.

However, while this world is sufficient for a thought experiment, it remains 
a nice fantasy: there *are* gravity wells along the way (i.e., spacetime is 
not completely flat, so there is gravitational time dilation to consider), 
one cannot know the separation speeds of the clocks with arbitrary 
precision, and the clocks do not have arbitrary precision either.

So using the fact of the constant speed of light by sending a signal from 
the first clock to the second one and back again, and using this to 
synchronize them, is, practically, a vastly superior approach.
 
-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#393760

From"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
Date2016-09-26 06:53 +1000
Message-ID<ns9dfv$31l$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#393734
On 26/09/16 00:46, Mike Fontenot wrote:
> On 9/25/16 4:02 AM, HGW wrote:
>> On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>>> Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
>>>
>>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
>>
>> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched
>> while together.
>>
>
> If a collection of co-located clocks at rest in some inertial reference
> frame are synchronized, and then arbitrarily-slowly separated, you
> get the same synchronization that you get with Einstein's method
> using light signals.  If the same procedure is used in some other
> inertial reference frame to synchronize THEIR clocks, and if the
> clocks in each of those frames (together with observers permanently
> co-located with those clocks in each of the frames) are used to check
> the synchronization of the momentarily co-located clocks in the other
> frame, each frame will find that the clocks in the other frame aren't
> synchronized.

Yes...we know all that....it's complete bullshit based on a flawed 
postulate.

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#393803

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-09-26 03:18 +0000
Message-ID<nsa424$5dj$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#393716
HGW <hw@....> writes:

>On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>>
>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?

>You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched 
>while together.

Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, you complained about *me* using circvular logic,
Ralph?

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#393838

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-09-26 20:03 +1000
Message-ID<nsarpk$1v0s$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#393803
On 26/09/16 13:18, Michael Moroney wrote:
> HGW <hw@....> writes:
>
>> On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>>>
>>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
>
>> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched
>> while together.
>
>Dr Wilson, you complained about *me* using circvular logic,
> doctor?

Poor little moron-y. The potato famine took away his brain cells...


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#393938

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-09-27 01:20 +0000
Message-ID<nschgb$ugr$3@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#393838
HGW <hw@....> writes:

>On 26/09/16 13:18, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> HGW <hw@....> writes:
>>
>>> On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
>>
>>> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched
>>> while together.
>>
>>Dr Wilson, you complained about *me* using circvular logic,
>> doctor?

Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, I keep telling you (Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge) to
quit doctoring my posts, Ralph.  Ralph, I was not talking to any
imaginary doctor Wilson, I was talking to you, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge.

Ralph, do I have to show everyone your self-awarded "doctor" diploma,
Ralph? So that everyone can laugh at the piss-poor photoshop job you did,
Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge?

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#393944

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2016-09-27 13:22 +1000
Message-ID<e4u6vgFaufU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#393716
On 25/09/2016 8:02 PM, HGW wrote:
> On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>> Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
>>> Two events that are absolutely simultaneous will not, in general, appear
>>> to be simultaneous. That is a consequence of the finite speed of light
>>> and is not an indication that simultaneity is relative.
>>>
>>
>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
>
> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched
> while together.

How do you know that they remain absolutely synced when moved apart?

Sylvia.

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#393957

FromHGW <hw@....>
Date2016-09-27 20:11 +1000
Message-ID<nsdgkb$jl8$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#393944
On 27/09/16 13:22, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 25/09/2016 8:02 PM, HGW wrote:
>> On 25/09/16 18:36, Poutnik wrote:
>>> Dne 25/09/2016 v 09:24 HGW napsal(a):
>>>> Two events that are absolutely simultaneous will not, in general,
>>>> appear
>>>> to be simultaneous. That is a consequence of the finite speed of light
>>>> and is not an indication that simultaneity is relative.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How do you define absolute simultaneity ?
>>
>> You check their timing with two clocks that were absolutely synched
>> while together.
>
> How do you know that they remain absolutely synced when moved apart?

What would cause them to change?..and their normal drift can be 
monitored. They can be brought together regularly to check on their 
accuracy.

> Sylvia.
>


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