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| Started by | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| First post | 2016-08-23 05:34 +1000 |
| Last post | 2016-08-26 17:28 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 664 — 26 participants |
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Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 05:34 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 14:58 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 06:44 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 15:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-23 08:20 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 07:11 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 14:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:24 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 08:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:55 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:34 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:51 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 02:58 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 14:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 12:22 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 09:11 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 07:52 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-24 07:10 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:26 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 13:40 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 15:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 14:16 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 08:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:58 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 21:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 15:14 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-26 13:36 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 21:39 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-27 22:58 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 06:34 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 06:18 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 11:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 05:10 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 07:49 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 06:32 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 09:04 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 07:30 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 10:23 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 11:00 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 14:14 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 16:34 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-08 13:21 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:32 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-09 08:47 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:18 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-10 06:12 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 15:44 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-09 19:20 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 17:23 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-10 13:39 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 17:27 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-12 19:56 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-13 09:27 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:27 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 08:43 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 10:49 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 08:42 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 09:43 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-18 19:37 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:49 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 05:10 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:20 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 22:40 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 19:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:53 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-22 08:17 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-09 19:19 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-10 13:44 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-10 04:10 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-11 15:27 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-11 07:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-12 07:51 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-11 17:41 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-12 19:53 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:35 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-12 06:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-12 21:15 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-13 09:40 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-13 07:01 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-13 10:35 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 09:01 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-13 18:43 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 23:51 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-14 01:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 18:18 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 01:46 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 16:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 18:57 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 03:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 20:56 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-14 04:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 08:49 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-15 03:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 04:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 08:46 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 09:12 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:54 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-18 19:55 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 11:52 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-14 13:46 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:47 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 05:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:48 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 07:16 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 09:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 16:18 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 12:32 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 14:39 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:38 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:09 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:27 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:56 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 13:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:09 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 20:42 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 22:03 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-16 22:16 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 06:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 16:57 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 17:22 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 18:34 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 09:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:03 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:07 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 10:19 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:30 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 11:07 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 20:13 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 11:40 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:30 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-17 13:52 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 13:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-17 20:42 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 02:14 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-20 20:34 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 19:34 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 05:51 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:04 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 06:16 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Python <python@org.invalid> - 2016-09-21 15:20 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 08:34 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:29 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-22 02:57 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-22 05:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:29 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 05:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:31 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-22 16:51 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-23 08:06 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 05:01 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-23 05:32 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:28 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:42 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-18 23:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:33 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 12:18 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:04 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-18 23:04 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-17 18:50 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:26 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:00 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-18 03:32 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 02:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 07:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-18 10:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 11:38 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-18 15:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 00:22 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-19 01:50 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-19 06:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 14:45 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 01:36 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 00:30 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 07:50 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-19 06:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 07:15 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:27 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 12:28 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-23 08:16 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 07:01 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:45 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 08:16 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 10:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 05:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 05:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 05:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 06:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:36 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 10:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 05:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:05 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 06:20 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:29 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 14:50 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 03:05 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 23:58 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 13:30 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 11:03 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 19:53 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 13:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-20 15:25 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 13:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 22:05 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 00:20 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-21 13:38 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 13:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-20 20:03 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-21 00:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> - 2016-09-20 21:59 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 00:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-21 13:53 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 13:55 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 15:45 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:37 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 06:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 10:37 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 13:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-21 16:07 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 15:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:39 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-21 17:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-09-21 18:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 14:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 16:38 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 17:09 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 00:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 00:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 05:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 06:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 06:21 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 06:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 17:25 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 18:36 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 11:10 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 19:51 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 18:07 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:27 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 19:48 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 11:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:15 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-28 10:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-28 13:18 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 14:54 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 05:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 09:30 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 19:44 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-01 05:30 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 13:15 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-03 12:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-04 20:42 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 14:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 22:22 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 11:36 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 03:48 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:33 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 12:51 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 15:46 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 07:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 08:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 10:26 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 05:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:08 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 10:42 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 11:46 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 12:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 20:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 04:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 07:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 10:27 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 10:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 15:36 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:01 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:08 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 14:25 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:39 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 16:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 14:37 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 16:48 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 04:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 04:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 07:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 11:44 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 11:50 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 13:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-28 13:39 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 09:00 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:13 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:28 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:14 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 10:42 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:32 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:32 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:52 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 00:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 00:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 08:22 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 02:54 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:19 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 20:07 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 06:11 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 11:16 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 13:55 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 14:58 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 17:11 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 17:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-28 14:37 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:58 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-28 23:21 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 00:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:10 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:56 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 00:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:19 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 13:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 14:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:34 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 13:14 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:35 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 17:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 09:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-01 12:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 03:37 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-02 05:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 05:31 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 16:34 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:00 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 03:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 17:54 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 19:03 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-29 03:19 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute me <crisdunbar@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 14:07 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 15:42 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-24 12:09 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:57 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-22 13:53 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:32 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:30 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-22 15:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-24 08:36 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 19:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 20:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-24 15:27 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 00:07 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-25 23:21 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 00:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 10:30 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 01:44 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-26 05:54 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 06:37 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 21:23 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-28 15:23 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-27 07:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 10:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 18:10 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 10:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-25 11:53 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-25 23:20 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 11:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 13:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 17:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 08:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-28 23:18 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 05:54 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:18 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 00:09 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 21:09 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 05:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 06:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:25 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 11:39 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 12:36 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 16:58 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 05:38 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:35 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 10:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 12:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 05:41 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Python <python@org.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:48 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-21 13:55 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-09-21 20:33 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:42 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 06:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:08 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 02:45 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 00:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 13:37 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:37 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 17:42 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:30 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-17 05:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-17 14:22 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 02:07 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-19 20:03 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 14:57 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 07:07 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 18:05 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 05:24 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 05:25 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:34 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:54 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:30 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 02:57 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:20 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 09:30 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 08:50 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-17 18:43 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 09:04 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:03 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-18 20:03 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:50 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 05:04 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:20 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 05:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 19:18 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:56 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-22 03:05 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 10:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 14:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-22 08:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 15:36 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-22 12:11 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 05:47 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 15:07 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:52 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 16:49 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-23 08:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 07:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:50 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 05:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 15:56 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 15:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-25 02:07 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:07 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-25 17:29 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 17:04 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 03:02 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 08:48 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 14:48 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:11 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 09:28 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 07:13 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-01 08:36 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:03 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-02 17:58 +1100
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-03 08:46 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-03 07:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-04 07:24 +1100
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-06 07:55 +1100
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 16:08 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-05 17:39 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-08 21:28 +1100
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-10-08 19:04 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 09:34 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-04 07:25 +1100
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-24 08:55 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:44 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-25 05:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:31 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-25 17:16 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 17:03 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 02:48 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:18 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 15:16 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-08 05:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:53 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 13:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-08 20:12 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 00:22 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-09 00:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-09 06:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-12 12:30 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:14 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-12 22:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 00:27 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-13 10:31 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 10:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 10:30 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-09 07:19 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-12 12:45 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:16 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 10:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:14 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-14 05:12 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 11:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-14 13:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:48 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 03:42 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 05:28 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:47 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 16:14 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-16 16:30 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 12:27 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 14:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 13:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 15:33 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-17 05:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:16 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:15 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 21:53 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 11:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 18:11 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-14 13:56 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 08:39 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 02:44 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-09 13:46 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-09 05:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-09 06:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-09 15:47 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-10 05:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 10:46 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 00:55 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-10 11:56 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 06:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-11 09:27 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute thomas789@gmail.com - 2016-09-11 02:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 13:09 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 14:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 10:25 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-09 06:08 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 09:29 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-10 05:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:00 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-12 07:07 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 12:24 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-12 13:32 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:37 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 10:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 09:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 03:15 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 04:30 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-25 07:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 15:22 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 09:19 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-26 20:35 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-27 08:21 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-27 05:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-27 16:26 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 07:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-07 05:18 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 17:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-08 13:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:31 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-09 08:45 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 06:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-06 20:33 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 04:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 13:32 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 07:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 19:02 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 14:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 16:29 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-08 05:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:48 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 21:35 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-27 22:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 06:31 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:22 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-23 22:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 03:18 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 06:11 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-28 02:52 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-28 02:59 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 06:22 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-29 00:48 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-22 23:35 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-23 08:22 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-23 20:18 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-24 07:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 13:31 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 03:23 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 20:44 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 09:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 14:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 13:02 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 08:03 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:50 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 14:03 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 16:18 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 19:12 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 19:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-25 12:21 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 06:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-25 17:44 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-25 19:48 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:42 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 12:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 14:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 16:22 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 21:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 15:14 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-26 13:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 17:28 -0500
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| Date | 2016-09-22 16:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ns1jki$n87$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393408 |
On 9/22/2016 3:52 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > On 23/09/16 06:07, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 9/22/2016 2:47 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > >>>> Instead, one lays down the operational minimum requirements for >>>> measuring that property, regardless of reference frame, and then >>>> one leaves it to observational result: Is the result of this >>>> measurement the same in all reference frames, or is it not the >>>> same? If it is the same, then by force of OBSERVATION, it is >>>> intrinsic. If it is not the same, then by force of OBSERVATION, >>>> it is extrinsic. >>> >>> That sounds very reasonable....there might be exceptions. ...but >>> can't think of any right now. >> >> Good, then henceforth it will be noted that it is a firm statement >> that a property is only intrinsic if that is validated by >> OBSERVATION, not by decree or definition. > > No the word 'observation' implies that light will be used. That is > forbidden. Nonsense. > >>>> To recapitulate this for the case of the property length, it >>>> does absolutely no good to insist that length is DEFINED to be >>>> intrinsic and therefore absolute. Instead, one specifies the >>>> minimum requirements of making the observational measurement that >>>> will work regardless of reference frame. Here the procedural >>>> minimum is straightforward: one records AT THE SAME TIME the >>>> locations of the ends of the object against a standard measuring >>>> stick or scale. The key words are "AT THE SAME TIME", in order to >>>> make this procedure work independent of reference frame. When >>>> this procedure is actually followed, you learn (according to our >>>> process for distinguishing extrinsic from intrinsic properties) >>>> that length is an extrinsic property. >>> >>> This is where you are making your mistake. Time has nothing to do >>> with this at all. >> >> On the contrary, you and I have both offered procedural definitions >> of length. In my prescription, I use synchronized clocks to determine >> that the measurements of the endpoint positions are happening at the >> same time in that frame. In your prescription, you use two >> synchronized clocks to measure the speed of a passing object, and one >> of the clocks to measure the time it takes for both ends to pass it. >> If you have a procedure for measuring the length of a moving object >> that doesn't involve any clocks at all, feel free to try to explain >> it. > > Ah! I see your problem, Bodkin. > The reason you are having difficulty with this is because you are still > living in he dark old days when aether was in vogue and nobody could > work out how to actually synchronize a pair of clocks. > We all now know that SR is nothing more than LET in disguise and just as > firmly relies on the aether's existence...So until you lift yourself out > of the aether rut, you will never be able to get past physics' first base. I see you haven't managed to actually address the question of how to measure length of a moving object without clocks. > >>> Objects DEFINE lengths. The length of an objects can only be >>> specified in comparison with that of another. All lengths are >>> comparative and are specified in relation to a predefined and >>> accepted standard. >> >> Very good, then please explain your procedure for measuring a moving >> object using a comparison with another predefined and accepted >> standard. Go ahead. > > I wouldn't try. I would do the sensible thing...stop it and then measure > it. Good luck doing that with, say, a planet. So you do not have a procedure for conducting any observation that will demonstrate that length is an intrinsic property, since you can only measure length (by your own admission) in the object's rest frame and cannot test at all whether the length is the same or different in any other frame. > >>> Length is not dependent on movement in any way because all abjects >>> retain the same intrinsic properties in all inertial states. >> >> Except that you haven't shown by OBSERVATION that length is >> intrinsic. All you've done is DECLARE that it is, and you agreed >> above that this is not acceptable. > > Objects are made of molecules and it is obvious that they are not all > located at one point in space. Of course. But this does not mean the spacing is identical in all frames. > If you bump your head on a brick wall you > know it doesn't give way easily. We can assume that a brick remain the > same whatever happens to it. Why would you ASSUME such a thing, since you've already agreed that the only way to test whether a property is intrinsic or extrinsic is by OBSERVATION. Not assumption, not decree, not definition. > Even SR says nothing happens to an object > PHYSICALLY due to a speed change. > >>> Object can define lengths for the simple reason that they ARE >>> objects as distinct from 'nothing'. ...and they are as far as we >>> know, STABLE objects.....so we used a metal rod as a length >>> standard because we knew it didn't change much if at all. >> >> Length is no more a property that you would tag to "stability" than >> momentum is. > > Length does not have to be an intrinsic property of a rod. And indeed it isn't. > A length is > an intrinsic property of SPACE. Nonsense. And you've already agreed that the only way to show that the property of length is intrinsic is by OBSERVATION. > ..and a spatial length can be defined > ABSOLUTELY by a rod. > >> The use of the metal rod as a standard came with CLEAR restrictions >> that its use only applied if both the standard rod and the measured >> object were at rest in the observer's frame. Any other circumstance >> would invalidate its usability as a standard. > > That insane notion epitomizes the way in which Einstein's ugly head > completely disrupted the progress of physics. Don't bank on it. It's well known. Tell me, for example, how such a standard metal bar would have been used to measure the length of a moving train in the 1890s? Oh, that's right, you've just said that you would have to stop the train, so that both the rod and the train were at rest relative to you. Ah, but that proves the point, doesn't it? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | HGW <hw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 08:13 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ns1l38$pi6$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393417 |
On 23/09/16 07:49, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 9/22/2016 3:52 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >>> On the contrary, you and I have both offered procedural definitions >>> of length. In my prescription, I use synchronized clocks to determine >>> that the measurements of the endpoint positions are happening at the >>> same time in that frame. In your prescription, you use two >>> synchronized clocks to measure the speed of a passing object, and one >>> of the clocks to measure the time it takes for both ends to pass it. >>> If you have a procedure for measuring the length of a moving object >>> that doesn't involve any clocks at all, feel free to try to explain >>> it. >> >> Ah! I see your problem, Bodkin. >> The reason you are having difficulty with this is because you are still >> living in he dark old days when aether was in vogue and nobody could >> work out how to actually synchronize a pair of clocks. >> We all now know that SR is nothing more than LET in disguise and just as >> firmly relies on the aether's existence...So until you lift yourself out >> of the aether rut, you will never be able to get past physics' first >> base. > > I see you haven't managed to actually address the question of how to > measure length of a moving object without clocks. Bodkin, why don't you simply admit that you are just a traditional aetherist just like Lorentz, Poincare, Einstein and many others were in 1900 and still are. > >> >>>> Objects DEFINE lengths. The length of an objects can only be >>>> specified in comparison with that of another. All lengths are >>>> comparative and are specified in relation to a predefined and >>>> accepted standard. >>> >>> Very good, then please explain your procedure for measuring a moving >>> object using a comparison with another predefined and accepted >>> standard. Go ahead. >> >> I wouldn't try. I would do the sensible thing...stop it and then measure >> it. > > Good luck doing that with, say, a planet. > > So you do not have a procedure for conducting any observation that will > demonstrate that length is an intrinsic property, since you can only > measure length (by your own admission) in the object's rest frame and > cannot test at all whether the length is the same or different in any > other frame. > >> >>>> Length is not dependent on movement in any way because all abjects >>>> retain the same intrinsic properties in all inertial states. >>> >>> Except that you haven't shown by OBSERVATION that length is >>> intrinsic. All you've done is DECLARE that it is, and you agreed >>> above that this is not acceptable. >> >> Objects are made of molecules and it is obvious that they are not all >> located at one point in space. > > Of course. But this does not mean the spacing is identical in all frames. > >> If you bump your head on a brick wall you >> know it doesn't give way easily. We can assume that a brick remain the >> same whatever happens to it. > > Why would you ASSUME such a thing, since you've already agreed that the > only way to test whether a property is intrinsic or extrinsic is by > OBSERVATION. Not assumption, not decree, not definition. Repeat: Even SR says nothing happens to an object PHYSICALLY due to a speed change. > >> Even SR says nothing happens to an object >> PHYSICALLY due to a speed change. >> >>>> Object can define lengths for the simple reason that they ARE >>>> objects as distinct from 'nothing'. ...and they are as far as we >>>> know, STABLE objects.....so we used a metal rod as a length >>>> standard because we knew it didn't change much if at all. >>> >>> Length is no more a property that you would tag to "stability" than >>> momentum is. >> >> Length does not have to be an intrinsic property of a rod. > > And indeed it isn't. > >> A length is >> an intrinsic property of SPACE. > > Nonsense. And you've already agreed that the only way to show that the > property of length is intrinsic is by OBSERVATION. Bodkin, the ends of a rod DEFINE a spatial interval. A rod is used because the length is defines appears to be very stable. >> ..and a spatial length can be defined >> ABSOLUTELY by a rod. >> >>> The use of the metal rod as a standard came with CLEAR restrictions >>> that its use only applied if both the standard rod and the measured >>> object were at rest in the observer's frame. Any other circumstance >>> would invalidate its usability as a standard. >> >> That insane notion epitomizes the way in which Einstein's ugly head >> completely disrupted the progress of physics. > > Don't bank on it. It's well known. > Tell me, for example, how such a standard metal bar would have been used > to measure the length of a moving train in the 1890s? Oh, that's right, > you've just said that you would have to stop the train, so that both the > rod and the train were at rest relative to you. Ah, but that proves the > point, doesn't it? Bodkin, people who make trains do so in a factory not while they are rolling along a track. > > --
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 07:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ns35jk$sg9$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393424 |
On 9/22/2016 5:13 PM, HGW wrote: > On 23/09/16 07:49, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 9/22/2016 3:52 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > > >>>> On the contrary, you and I have both offered procedural definitions >>>> of length. In my prescription, I use synchronized clocks to determine >>>> that the measurements of the endpoint positions are happening at the >>>> same time in that frame. In your prescription, you use two >>>> synchronized clocks to measure the speed of a passing object, and one >>>> of the clocks to measure the time it takes for both ends to pass it. >>>> If you have a procedure for measuring the length of a moving object >>>> that doesn't involve any clocks at all, feel free to try to explain >>>> it. >>> >>> Ah! I see your problem, Bodkin. >>> The reason you are having difficulty with this is because you are still >>> living in he dark old days when aether was in vogue and nobody could >>> work out how to actually synchronize a pair of clocks. >>> We all now know that SR is nothing more than LET in disguise and just as >>> firmly relies on the aether's existence...So until you lift yourself out >>> of the aether rut, you will never be able to get past physics' first >>> base. >> >> I see you haven't managed to actually address the question of how to >> measure length of a moving object without clocks. > > Bodkin, why don't you simply admit that you are just a traditional > aetherist just like Lorentz, Poincare, Einstein and many others were in > 1900 and still are. Continued deflection will accomplish nothing. >> >>> >>>>> Objects DEFINE lengths. The length of an objects can only be >>>>> specified in comparison with that of another. All lengths are >>>>> comparative and are specified in relation to a predefined and >>>>> accepted standard. >>>> >>>> Very good, then please explain your procedure for measuring a moving >>>> object using a comparison with another predefined and accepted >>>> standard. Go ahead. >>> >>> I wouldn't try. I would do the sensible thing...stop it and then measure >>> it. >> >> Good luck doing that with, say, a planet. >> >> So you do not have a procedure for conducting any observation that will >> demonstrate that length is an intrinsic property, since you can only >> measure length (by your own admission) in the object's rest frame and >> cannot test at all whether the length is the same or different in any >> other frame. >> >>> >>>>> Length is not dependent on movement in any way because all abjects >>>>> retain the same intrinsic properties in all inertial states. >>>> >>>> Except that you haven't shown by OBSERVATION that length is >>>> intrinsic. All you've done is DECLARE that it is, and you agreed >>>> above that this is not acceptable. >>> >>> Objects are made of molecules and it is obvious that they are not all >>> located at one point in space. >> >> Of course. But this does not mean the spacing is identical in all frames. >> >>> If you bump your head on a brick wall you >>> know it doesn't give way easily. We can assume that a brick remain the >>> same whatever happens to it. >> >> Why would you ASSUME such a thing, since you've already agreed that the >> only way to test whether a property is intrinsic or extrinsic is by >> OBSERVATION. Not assumption, not decree, not definition. > > Repeat: Even SR says nothing happens to an object > PHYSICALLY due to a speed change. Already addressed. This is true, but doesn't change the fact that extrinsic properties DO CHANGE even if nothing physical happens to the object. And the matter of which properties are intrinsic and which are extrinsic is settled by observation, which you agree with. >> >>> Even SR says nothing happens to an object >>> PHYSICALLY due to a speed change. >>> >>>>> Object can define lengths for the simple reason that they ARE >>>>> objects as distinct from 'nothing'. ...and they are as far as we >>>>> know, STABLE objects.....so we used a metal rod as a length >>>>> standard because we knew it didn't change much if at all. >>>> >>>> Length is no more a property that you would tag to "stability" than >>>> momentum is. >>> >>> Length does not have to be an intrinsic property of a rod. >> >> And indeed it isn't. >> >>> A length is >>> an intrinsic property of SPACE. >> >> Nonsense. And you've already agreed that the only way to show that the >> property of length is intrinsic is by OBSERVATION. > > Bodkin, the ends of a rod DEFINE a spatial interval. Only in the rest frame of the rod. > A rod is used > because the length is defines appears to be very stable. You just said that length does not have to be an intrinsic property of a rod. > >>> ..and a spatial length can be defined >>> ABSOLUTELY by a rod. >>> >>>> The use of the metal rod as a standard came with CLEAR restrictions >>>> that its use only applied if both the standard rod and the measured >>>> object were at rest in the observer's frame. Any other circumstance >>>> would invalidate its usability as a standard. >>> >>> That insane notion epitomizes the way in which Einstein's ugly head >>> completely disrupted the progress of physics. >> >> Don't bank on it. It's well known. >> Tell me, for example, how such a standard metal bar would have been used >> to measure the length of a moving train in the 1890s? Oh, that's right, >> you've just said that you would have to stop the train, so that both the >> rod and the train were at rest relative to you. Ah, but that proves the >> point, doesn't it? > > Bodkin, people who make trains do so in a factory not while they are > rolling along a track. This is true, but I shouldn't have to be making the train to measure its length, should I? Still no way to measure the length of an object that's moving? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 07:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <26595ba5-046d-4aff-bf04-74c2a7cc1375@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #393474 |
On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 8:02:01 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 9/22/2016 5:13 PM, HGW wrote: > > On 23/09/16 07:49, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 9/22/2016 3:52 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > > > > > >>>> On the contrary, you and I have both offered procedural definitions > >>>> of length. In my prescription, I use synchronized clocks to determine > >>>> that the measurements of the endpoint positions are happening at the > >>>> same time in that frame. In your prescription, you use two > >>>> synchronized clocks to measure the speed of a passing object, and one > >>>> of the clocks to measure the time it takes for both ends to pass it. > >>>> If you have a procedure for measuring the length of a moving object > >>>> that doesn't involve any clocks at all, feel free to try to explain > >>>> it. > >>> > >>> Ah! I see your problem, Bodkin. > >>> The reason you are having difficulty with this is because you are still > >>> living in he dark old days when aether was in vogue and nobody could > >>> work out how to actually synchronize a pair of clocks. > >>> We all now know that SR is nothing more than LET in disguise and just as > >>> firmly relies on the aether's existence...So until you lift yourself out > >>> of the aether rut, you will never be able to get past physics' first > >>> base. > >> > >> I see you haven't managed to actually address the question of how to > >> measure length of a moving object without clocks. > > > > Bodkin, why don't you simply admit that you are just a traditional > > aetherist just like Lorentz, Poincare, Einstein and many others were in > > 1900 and still are. > > Continued deflection will accomplish nothing. > > >> > >>> > >>>>> Objects DEFINE lengths. The length of an objects can only be > >>>>> specified in comparison with that of another. All lengths are > >>>>> comparative and are specified in relation to a predefined and > >>>>> accepted standard. > >>>> > >>>> Very good, then please explain your procedure for measuring a moving > >>>> object using a comparison with another predefined and accepted > >>>> standard. Go ahead. > >>> > >>> I wouldn't try. I would do the sensible thing...stop it and then measure > >>> it. > >> > >> Good luck doing that with, say, a planet. > >> > >> So you do not have a procedure for conducting any observation that will > >> demonstrate that length is an intrinsic property, since you can only > >> measure length (by your own admission) in the object's rest frame and > >> cannot test at all whether the length is the same or different in any > >> other frame. > >> > >>> > >>>>> Length is not dependent on movement in any way because all abjects > >>>>> retain the same intrinsic properties in all inertial states. > >>>> > >>>> Except that you haven't shown by OBSERVATION that length is > >>>> intrinsic. All you've done is DECLARE that it is, and you agreed > >>>> above that this is not acceptable. > >>> > >>> Objects are made of molecules and it is obvious that they are not all > >>> located at one point in space. > >> > >> Of course. But this does not mean the spacing is identical in all frames. > >> > >>> If you bump your head on a brick wall you > >>> know it doesn't give way easily. We can assume that a brick remain the > >>> same whatever happens to it. > >> > >> Why would you ASSUME such a thing, since you've already agreed that the > >> only way to test whether a property is intrinsic or extrinsic is by > >> OBSERVATION. Not assumption, not decree, not definition. > > > > Repeat: Even SR says nothing happens to an object > > PHYSICALLY due to a speed change. > > Already addressed. This is true, but doesn't change the fact that > extrinsic properties DO CHANGE even if nothing physical happens to the > object. And the matter of which properties are intrinsic and which are > extrinsic is settled by observation, which you agree with. > Observations are extrinsic property.....rod length is an intrinsic property.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-23 09:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ns3fvs$1fhj$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393488 |
On 9/23/2016 9:50 AM, kenseto wrote: > Observations are extrinsic property.....rod length is an intrinsic property. Bullshit. "Intrinsic property" and "extrinsic properties" are terms with well-known definitions in physics. If you don't know what those definitions are, this doesn't give you license to make up your own. If you want to know what those definitions are, read. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-24 05:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <97ede008-f648-4e79-a8e5-6c344f17ad00@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #393489 |
On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 10:59:14 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 9/23/2016 9:50 AM, kenseto wrote: > > Observations are extrinsic property.....rod length is an intrinsic property. > > Bullshit. > "Intrinsic property" and "extrinsic properties" are terms with > well-known definitions in physics. If you don't know what those > definitions are, this doesn't give you license to make up your own. If > you want to know what those definitions are, read. Bullshit is on your part.....a material meter stick is by definition the standard (and thus it is an intrinsic property) and that's why we engineers use it everyday to measure length.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-09-24 15:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns67nr$pme$5@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #393587 |
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: >On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 10:59:14 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 9/23/2016 9:50 AM, kenseto wrote: >> > Observations are extrinsic property.....rod length is an intrinsic property. >> >> Bullshit. >> "Intrinsic property" and "extrinsic properties" are terms with >> well-known definitions in physics. If you don't know what those >> definitions are, this doesn't give you license to make up your own. If >> you want to know what those definitions are, read. >Bullshit is on your part.....a material meter stick is by definition the >standard (and thus it is an intrinsic property) and that's why we >engineers use it everyday to measure length. Only when the standard meter stick was stationary, since the length is known not to be an intrinsic property. And that standard is no longer used, first being replaced by the wavelength of a krypton light emission and then later in terms of c. That's because we can measure c and time more accurately than we can measure length, so this gives a more accurate length than actually measuring the length of something.
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-09-24 15:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <457f06a2-9e29-4f44-a6d2-3d51a4b9a02f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #393602 |
On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote: > kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: > > >On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 10:59:14 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 9/23/2016 9:50 AM, kenseto wrote: > >> > Observations are extrinsic property.....rod length is an intrinsic property. > >> > >> Bullshit. > >> "Intrinsic property" and "extrinsic properties" are terms with > >> well-known definitions in physics. If you don't know what those > >> definitions are, this doesn't give you license to make up your own. If > >> you want to know what those definitions are, read. > > >Bullshit is on your part.....a material meter stick is by definition the > >standard (and thus it is an intrinsic property) and that's why we > >engineers use it everyday to measure length. > > Only when the standard meter stick was stationary, since the length is > known not to be an intrinsic property. And that standard is no longer > used, first being replaced by the wavelength of a krypton light emission > and then later in terms of c. That's because we can measure c and time > more accurately than we can measure length, so this gives a more accurate > length than actually measuring the length of something. Baloney.....they couldn't get the measured speed of light to be a universal constant c. So they redefined the meter to be 1/299,792,458 light-seconds. This circular definition (using light speed to measure light speed) guarantees that the speed of light is c and thus SR is saved. We Engineers use material meter stick to measure length everyday and this enables us to design all sorts of products.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 02:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ns7bgv$foc$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #393661 |
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: >On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote: >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes: >> >Bullshit is on your part.....a material meter stick is by definition the >> >standard (and thus it is an intrinsic property) and that's why we >> >engineers use it everyday to measure length. >> >> Only when the standard meter stick was stationary, since the length is >> known not to be an intrinsic property. And that standard is no longer >> used, first being replaced by the wavelength of a krypton light emission >> and then later in terms of c. That's because we can measure c and time >> more accurately than we can measure length, so this gives a more accurate >> length than actually measuring the length of something. >Baloney.....they couldn't get the measured speed of light to be a universal > constant c. So they redefined the meter to be 1/299,792,458 light-seconds. Nope. They already knew the speed of light was a universal constant, measured to 9 digits. They could also measure time to about 9 digits but could measure length to quite a bit fewer digits. So instead of trying to measure inaccurate lengths by some bar in Paris, we can define the length of the meter much more accurately by redefining it. And that is what engineers and scientists did. > This circular definition (using light speed to measure light speed) It's not circular as the speed of light was measured again and again and always found to be the same value. And there is nothing stopping anyone from measuring the speed of light using an old definition of the meter. It'll be slightly inaccurate due to the inaccuracy of the old definition of the meter, but it can easily be done. I could even measure c using the yardstick I got from the hardware store. It will be inaccurate since that yardstick isn't going to be that accurate. >We Engineers "We Engineers" Ken? How could you be an engineer yet be so ignorant about SR? How were you able to get or keep a license? Perhaps you were a "Sanitary Engineer"? >We Engineers use material meter stick to measure length everyday and this >enables us to design all sorts of products. They can be good approximations when high accuracy is not needed. These days they use laser ranging that uses the speed of light when more accuracy is needed. I remember when helping my father (a land surveyer) when he got a then-new and very expensive laser-based transit. Much more accurate than the old transit and range pole. These days laser measurements are much cheaper. An engineer would know this.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 16:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ns9h2j$849$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393661 |
On 9/24/2016 5:11 PM, kenseto wrote: >> Only when the standard meter stick was stationary, since the length is >> > known not to be an intrinsic property. And that standard is no longer >> > used, first being replaced by the wavelength of a krypton light emission >> > and then later in terms of c. That's because we can measure c and time >> > more accurately than we can measure length, so this gives a more accurate >> > length than actually measuring the length of something. > Baloney.....they couldn't get the measured speed of light to be a universal constant c. Don't fabricate history, Ken. The rationale for the change of standards is a matter of historical record and does not at all support your view of history. > So they redefined the meter to be 1/299,792,458 light-seconds. This circular > definition (using light speed to measure light speed) guarantees that the speed > of light is c and thus SR is saved. We Engineers use material meter stick to measure > length everyday and this enables us to design all sorts of products. Engineers have not used the platinum-iridium bar as a standard since you were in your early 20's, Ken. I don't know why you got left behind. But don't try to speak for other engineers when they adhere to a different standard than you think. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-24 13:07 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ns6fcv$1osl$8@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393587 |
On 9/24/2016 7:45 AM, kenseto wrote: > On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 10:59:14 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 9/23/2016 9:50 AM, kenseto wrote: >>> Observations are extrinsic property.....rod length is an intrinsic property. >> >> Bullshit. >> "Intrinsic property" and "extrinsic properties" are terms with >> well-known definitions in physics. If you don't know what those >> definitions are, this doesn't give you license to make up your own. If >> you want to know what those definitions are, read. > > Bullshit is on your part.....a material meter stick is by definition the > standard Ken, you were in your 20's and a young engineer when the international board of scientists AND ENGINEERS in charge of standards declared that this metal rod was no longer the standard. Where were you and how did you keep your license if you did not know this? > (and thus it is an intrinsic property) and that's why we engineers use > it everyday to measure length. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | HGW <hw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 17:29 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <ns7ud5$1lj3$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393625 |
On 25/09/16 04:07, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> Bullshit is on your part.....a material meter stick is by definition the >> standard > > Ken, you were in your 20's and a young engineer when the international > board of scientists AND ENGINEERS in charge of standards declared that > this metal rod was no longer the standard. Where were you and how did > you keep your license if you did not know this? The metal rod's absolute length was the standard to which the new and silly standard was compared. >>>> (and thus it is an intrinsic property) and that's why we engineers use >> it everyday to measure length. >> > > --
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-25 17:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ns9hl7$849$8@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393695 |
On 9/25/2016 2:29 AM, HGW wrote: > On 25/09/16 04:07, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>> Bullshit is on your part.....a material meter stick is by definition the >>> standard >> >> Ken, you were in your 20's and a young engineer when the international >> board of scientists AND ENGINEERS in charge of standards declared that >> this metal rod was no longer the standard. Where were you and how did >> you keep your license if you did not know this? > > The metal rod's absolute length was the standard to which the new and > silly standard was compared. Bullshit. Flat-out lie. > >>>>> (and thus it is an intrinsic property) and that's why we engineers use >>> it everyday to measure length. >>> >> >> > > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-09-27 03:02 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <nsbk9m$1g7l$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393782 |
On 26/09/16 08:04, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 9/25/2016 2:29 AM, HGW wrote: >>> >>> Ken, you were in your 20's and a young engineer when the international >>> board of scientists AND ENGINEERS in charge of standards declared that >>> this metal rod was no longer the standard. Where were you and how did >>> you keep your license if you did not know this? >> >> The metal rod's absolute length was the standard to which the new and >> silly standard was compared. > > Bullshit. Flat-out lie. Bodkin, you don't appear to know much about physics. Why do you keep writing to this NG? Have you an explanation as to why light speed is defined as exactly 299792458 m/s and not 300000000 m/s or better still, 100000000 m/s?
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-28 08:48 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nsgho2$1gha$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #393886 |
On 9/26/2016 12:02 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > On 26/09/16 08:04, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 9/25/2016 2:29 AM, HGW wrote: > >>>> >>>> Ken, you were in your 20's and a young engineer when the international >>>> board of scientists AND ENGINEERS in charge of standards declared that >>>> this metal rod was no longer the standard. Where were you and how did >>>> you keep your license if you did not know this? >>> >>> The metal rod's absolute length was the standard to which the new and >>> silly standard was compared. >> >> Bullshit. Flat-out lie. > > Bodkin, you don't appear to know much about physics. Why do you keep > writing to this NG? > Have you an explanation as to why light speed is defined as exactly > 299792458 m/s and not 300000000 m/s or better still, 100000000 m/s? > Or better yet, 1. (Natural units) Any idea why you are still using meters for distance and seconds for time? Do you also use feet for north-south distances and kilometers for east-west distances? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | HGW <hw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-09-29 14:48 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <nsi6e6$1uu5$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #394113 |
On 28/09/16 23:48, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 9/26/2016 12:02 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >> On 26/09/16 08:04, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> On 9/25/2016 2:29 AM, HGW wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>> Ken, you were in your 20's and a young engineer when the international >>>>> board of scientists AND ENGINEERS in charge of standards declared that >>>>> this metal rod was no longer the standard. Where were you and how did >>>>> you keep your license if you did not know this? >>>> >>>> The metal rod's absolute length was the standard to which the new and >>>> silly standard was compared. >>> >>> Bullshit. Flat-out lie. >> >> Bodkin, you don't appear to know much about physics. Why do you keep >> writing to this NG? >> Have you an explanation as to why light speed is defined as exactly >> 299792458 m/s and not 300000000 m/s or better still, 100000000 m/s? >> > > Or better yet, 1. > (Natural units) Correction. 1 length unit/s You physics amateurs clearly know nothing about dimensional consistency. > Any idea why you are still using meters for distance and seconds for > time? Do you also use feet for north-south distances and kilometers for > east-west distances? 'feet' go back to Greek or Roman times IIRC....or even earlier. Seconds are related to the earth's rotation period divided by a convenient set of factors...2^7x3^3x5^2 The metre was defined in France as 1/4000000 of a terrestrial meridian. Frenchmen apparently had longer paces than Italians. --
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-29 10:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nsjav0$1oeg$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #394212 |
On 9/28/2016 11:48 PM, HGW wrote: > On 28/09/16 23:48, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 9/26/2016 12:02 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >>> On 26/09/16 08:04, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 9/25/2016 2:29 AM, HGW wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken, you were in your 20's and a young engineer when the >>>>>> international >>>>>> board of scientists AND ENGINEERS in charge of standards declared >>>>>> that >>>>>> this metal rod was no longer the standard. Where were you and how did >>>>>> you keep your license if you did not know this? >>>>> >>>>> The metal rod's absolute length was the standard to which the new and >>>>> silly standard was compared. >>>> >>>> Bullshit. Flat-out lie. >>> >>> Bodkin, you don't appear to know much about physics. Why do you keep >>> writing to this NG? >>> Have you an explanation as to why light speed is defined as exactly >>> 299792458 m/s and not 300000000 m/s or better still, 100000000 m/s? >>> >> >> Or better yet, 1. >> (Natural units) > > Correction. 1 length unit/s > You physics amateurs clearly know nothing about dimensional consistency. Nope, not in natural units. > >> Any idea why you are still using meters for distance and seconds for >> time? Do you also use feet for north-south distances and kilometers for >> east-west distances? > > 'feet' go back to Greek or Roman times IIRC....or even earlier. Seconds > are related to the earth's rotation period divided by a convenient set > of factors...2^7x3^3x5^2 Seconds come from the Babylonians and their sense of magical properties of 12 and 60. So why are you using units that stem from the French, the Babylonians, and the Greco-Romans? > > The metre was defined in France as 1/4000000 of a terrestrial meridian. > Frenchmen apparently had longer paces than Italians. > > > > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | HGW <hw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 09:28 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <nsk83k$18cu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #394257 |
On 30/09/16 01:11, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 9/28/2016 11:48 PM, HGW wrote: >> On 28/09/16 23:48, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> On 9/26/2016 12:02 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >>>> On 26/09/16 08:04, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>> On 9/25/2016 2:29 AM, HGW wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken, you were in your 20's and a young engineer when the >>>>>>> international board of scientists AND ENGINEERS in charge >>>>>>> of standards declared that this metal rod was no longer >>>>>>> the standard. Where were you and how did you keep your >>>>>>> license if you did not know this? >>>>>> >>>>>> The metal rod's absolute length was the standard to which >>>>>> the new and silly standard was compared. >>>>> >>>>> Bullshit. Flat-out lie. >>>> >>>> Bodkin, you don't appear to know much about physics. Why do you >>>> keep writing to this NG? Have you an explanation as to why >>>> light speed is defined as exactly 299792458 m/s and not >>>> 300000000 m/s or better still, 100000000 m/s? >>>> >>> >>> Or better yet, 1. (Natural units) >> >> Correction. 1 length unit/s You physics amateurs clearly know >> nothing about dimensional consistency. > > Nope, not in natural units. Bodkin, it is not surprising that you make such a fool of yourself when you try to talk physics. You simply don't understand the basics. c will always have dimensions L/T no matter what value it is assigned. If it is defined as 1 U/s, that means the standard length unit U is the distance light moves in 1 second.....which is rather inconvenient for building houses or making tables, wouldn't you agree?.. >>> Any idea why you are still using meters for distance and seconds >>> for time? Do you also use feet for north-south distances and >>> kilometers for east-west distances? >> >> 'feet' go back to Greek or Roman times IIRC....or even earlier. >> Seconds are related to the earth's rotation period divided by a >> convenient set of factors...2^7x3^3x5^2 > > Seconds come from the Babylonians and their sense of magical > properties of 12 and 60. > > So why are you using units that stem from the French, the > Babylonians, and the Greco-Romans? Because they are convenient for making tables and keeping appointments....as they were in Babylonian days
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-30 07:13 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nslksh$134p$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #394300 |
On 9/29/2016 6:28 PM, HGW wrote: > On 30/09/16 01:11, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 9/28/2016 11:48 PM, HGW wrote: >>> On 28/09/16 23:48, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> Or better yet, 1. (Natural units) >>> >>> Correction. 1 length unit/s You physics amateurs clearly know >>> nothing about dimensional consistency. >> >> Nope, not in natural units. > > Bodkin, it is not surprising that you make such a fool of yourself when > you try to talk physics. You simply don't understand the basics. > c will always have dimensions L/T no matter what value it is assigned. > If it is defined as 1 U/s, that means the standard length unit U is the > distance light moves in 1 second.....which is rather inconvenient for > building houses or making tables, wouldn't you agree?.. And meters are inconvenient for measuring highway distances, which is why it is convenient to precede "meters" with "kilo". In the same way, a nanosecond of distance is very convenient for building houses or making tables. If you can use kilo without gagging, I'm sure you'll eventually learn to use nano. So once you use seconds for distance, what are the units of c again? > >>>> Any idea why you are still using meters for distance and seconds >>>> for time? Do you also use feet for north-south distances and >>>> kilometers for east-west distances? >>> >>> 'feet' go back to Greek or Roman times IIRC....or even earlier. >>> Seconds are related to the earth's rotation period divided by a >>> convenient set of factors...2^7x3^3x5^2 >> >> Seconds come from the Babylonians and their sense of magical >> properties of 12 and 60. >> >> So why are you using units that stem from the French, the >> Babylonians, and the Greco-Romans? > > Because they are convenient for making tables and keeping > appointments....as they were in Babylonian days > Aha, so no special reason other than inertia and old age. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | HGW <hw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-10-01 08:36 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <nsmpdn$10pv$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #394357 |
On 30/09/16 22:13, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> >> Bodkin, it is not surprising that you make such a fool of yourself >> when you try to talk physics. You simply don't understand the >> basics. c will always have dimensions L/T no matter what value it >> is assigned. If it is defined as 1 U/s, that means the standard >> length unit U is the distance light moves in 1 second.....which is >> rather inconvenient for building houses or making tables, wouldn't >> you agree?.. > > And meters are inconvenient for measuring highway distances, which is > why it is convenient to precede "meters" with "kilo". In the same > way, a nanosecond of distance is very convenient for building houses > or making tables. If you can use kilo without gagging, I'm sure > you'll eventually learn to use nano. > > So once you use seconds for distance, what are the units of c again? Bodkin, you are so clueless about basic physics that you don't understand the consequences of changing the value of c. If c is 1 LU/sec, every constant and defined standard value will have to be changed accordingly...Every scientist will have to relearn all the figures that have been remembered after years of training and experience. All the past papers and texts will have to be rewritten...etc. Frankly, I think that because c is such an important universal constant, it would have been better defined as having the exact value of 10^8 LU/sec., making 1 LU = about 3 current metres. ...or even exactly 3e8 m/s.....but it is too late to change it now. Since you are so keen on change, you might be interested in promoting this idea of mine: http://www.scisite.info/sixday.html
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