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Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute

Started by"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
First post2016-08-23 05:34 +1000
Last post2016-08-26 17:28 -0500
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  Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 05:34 +1000
    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 14:58 -0500
      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 06:44 +1000
        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 15:57 -0500
          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-23 08:20 +1000
            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 07:11 -0500
              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 14:05 -0700
                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:24 -0500
                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 08:13 -0700
                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:55 -0500
                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:34 -0700
                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:51 -0500
                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 02:58 +1000
                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 14:59 -0500
                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:56 -0700
                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 12:22 -0500
                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 09:11 +1000
                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 07:52 -0500
              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-24 07:10 +1000
                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:26 -0500
          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 13:40 -0700
            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 15:59 -0500
              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 14:16 -0700
                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:28 -0500
                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 08:24 -0700
                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:58 -0500
                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:43 -0700
                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:54 -0500
                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 21:13 -0700
                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 15:14 -0500
                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-26 13:36 -0700
                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 21:39 -0700
                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-27 22:58 -0700
                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 06:34 -0700
                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 06:18 +1000
                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 11:28 -0500
                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 05:10 -0700
                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 07:49 -0500
                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 06:32 -0700
                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 09:04 -0500
                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 07:30 -0700
                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 10:23 -0500
                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 11:00 -0500
                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 14:14 -0700
                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 16:34 -0500
                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-08 13:21 +1000
                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:32 -0500
                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-09 08:47 +1000
                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:18 -0500
                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-10 06:12 +1000
                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 15:44 -0500
                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-09 19:20 -0700
                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 17:23 -0500
                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-10 13:39 +1000
                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 17:27 -0500
                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-12 19:56 +1000
                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:41 -0500
                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-13 09:27 +1000
                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:27 -0500
                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 08:43 +1000
                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 10:49 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 08:42 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 09:43 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-18 19:37 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:49 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 05:10 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:20 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 22:40 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 19:13 +1000
                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:53 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-22 08:17 +1000
                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-09 19:19 -0700
                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-10 13:44 +1000
                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-10 04:10 -0700
                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-11 15:27 +1000
                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-11 07:59 -0700
                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-12 07:51 +1000
                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-11 17:41 -0700
                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-12 19:53 +1000
                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:35 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-12 06:25 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-12 21:15 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-13 09:40 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-13 07:01 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-13 10:35 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 09:01 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-13 18:43 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 23:51 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-14 01:00 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 18:18 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 01:46 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 16:23 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 18:57 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 03:48 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 20:56 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-14 04:43 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 08:49 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-15 03:59 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 04:49 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 08:46 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 09:12 +1000
                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:54 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-18 19:55 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 11:52 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-14 13:46 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:47 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 05:33 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:48 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 07:16 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 09:57 -0500
                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 16:18 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 12:32 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 14:39 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:38 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:09 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:27 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:56 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 13:48 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:09 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:45 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:02 -0500
                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 20:42 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:57 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 22:03 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-16 22:16 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 06:05 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 16:57 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:05 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 17:22 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:52 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 18:34 +0200
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 09:56 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:03 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:07 +0200
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 10:19 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 11:07 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 20:13 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 11:40 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:28 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-17 13:52 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 13:23 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-17 20:42 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 02:14 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-20 20:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 19:34 +1000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 05:51 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 06:16 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Python <python@org.invalid> - 2016-09-21 15:20 +0200
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 08:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-22 02:57 +1000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-22 05:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:29 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 05:13 +1000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-22 16:51 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-23 08:06 +1000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 05:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-23 05:32 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:28 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-18 23:06 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:33 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 12:18 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:04 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-18 23:04 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-17 18:50 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:26 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:00 +0200
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-18 03:32 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 02:33 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 07:47 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-18 10:59 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 11:38 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-18 15:52 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 00:22 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-19 01:50 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-19 06:24 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 14:45 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 01:36 +0000
                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 00:30 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 07:50 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-19 06:05 -0700
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 07:15 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 12:28 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-23 08:16 +1000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 07:01 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:45 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 08:16 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 10:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 05:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 05:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 05:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 06:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:36 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 10:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 05:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:05 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 06:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:29 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 14:50 +0000
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:49 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 03:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 23:58 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 13:30 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 11:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 19:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 13:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-20 15:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 13:52 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 22:05 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 00:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-21 13:38 +0000
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 13:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-20 20:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-21 00:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> - 2016-09-20 21:59 +0000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 00:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-21 13:53 +0000
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 13:55 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 15:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:37 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 06:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 10:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:41 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 13:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-21 16:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 15:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-21 17:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-09-21 18:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 14:26 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 16:38 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 17:09 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 00:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 00:47 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 05:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 06:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 06:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 06:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 17:25 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:11 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 18:36 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 11:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 19:51 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 18:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 19:48 +0200
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 11:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-28 10:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-28 13:18 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 14:54 +1000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 05:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 09:30 +1000
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 19:44 -0700
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-01 05:30 +1000
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 13:15 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-03 12:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-04 20:42 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 14:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 22:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 11:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 03:48 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:33 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 12:51 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 15:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 07:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 08:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 10:26 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 05:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 10:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:28 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 11:46 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 12:06 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:00 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 20:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 04:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 07:43 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 10:27 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 10:53 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 15:36 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:01 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 14:25 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:39 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 16:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 14:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 16:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 04:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 04:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 07:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 11:44 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 11:50 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 13:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-28 13:39 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 09:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:28 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:14 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 10:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 14:05 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:52 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 00:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 00:43 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 08:22 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 02:54 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 20:07 +1000
                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 06:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 11:16 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 13:55 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 14:58 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 17:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 17:21 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:17 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-28 14:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-28 23:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 00:25 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:56 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 00:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 13:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 14:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:34 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 13:14 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:35 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 17:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 09:24 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-01 12:43 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 03:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-02 05:59 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 05:31 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 16:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:00 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 03:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 17:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 19:03 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-29 03:19 +0000
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute me <crisdunbar@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 14:07 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 15:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-24 12:09 +0200
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:57 +1000
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-22 13:53 -0500
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:32 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:30 +1000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-22 15:11 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-24 08:36 +1000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 19:33 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 20:57 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-24 15:27 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:48 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 00:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-25 23:21 -0700
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 00:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 10:30 +0200
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 01:44 -0700
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-26 05:54 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 06:37 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 21:23 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:56 -0700
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-28 15:23 +0200
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-27 07:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 10:52 -0700
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 18:10 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 10:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-25 11:53 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-25 23:20 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:23 -0700
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:43 -0700
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 11:29 -0700
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 13:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 17:47 -0700
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 08:57 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-28 23:18 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 05:54 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:18 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:11 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 00:09 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 21:09 +1000
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 05:06 -0700
                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 06:53 -0700
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:25 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 11:39 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:05 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 12:36 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 16:58 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 05:38 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:35 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 10:26 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 12:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 05:41 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Python <python@org.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:48 +0200
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:02 -0500
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-21 13:55 +0000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-09-21 20:33 +0200
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:42 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 06:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:08 -0500
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 02:45 +0000
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 00:13 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 13:37 +0000
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:37 -0500
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 17:42 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:02 -0500
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:30 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-17 05:25 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-17 14:22 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:00 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 02:07 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-19 20:03 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 14:57 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:21 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 07:07 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 18:05 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:54 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 05:24 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 05:25 +1000
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:34 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:54 +1000
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:30 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 02:57 +1000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:20 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 09:30 +1000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 08:50 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-17 18:43 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 09:04 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:03 -0500
                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-18 20:03 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:50 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 05:04 +1000
                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:20 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 05:56 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 19:18 +1000
                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:56 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-22 03:05 +1000
                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 10:26 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 14:02 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-22 08:13 +1000
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 15:36 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-22 12:11 +1000
                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:28 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 05:47 +1000
                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 15:07 -0500
                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:52 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 16:49 -0500
                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-23 08:13 +1000
                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 07:02 -0500
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:50 -0700
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:59 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 05:45 -0700
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 15:56 +0000
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 15:11 -0700
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-25 02:07 +0000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:54 -0500
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:07 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-25 17:29 +1000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 17:04 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 03:02 +1000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 08:48 -0500
                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 14:48 +1000
                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:11 -0500
                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 09:28 +1000
                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 07:13 -0500
                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-01 08:36 +1000
                                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-02 17:58 +1100
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-03 08:46 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-03 07:02 -0700
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-04 07:24 +1100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-06 07:55 +1100
                                                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 16:08 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-05 17:39 -0500
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-08 21:28 +1100
                                                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-10-08 19:04 +0200
                                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 09:34 -0500
                                                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-04 07:25 +1100
                                                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-24 08:55 +1000
                                                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:44 -0500
                                                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-25 05:13 +1000
                                                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:31 -0500
                                                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-25 17:16 +1000
                                                                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 17:03 -0500
                                                                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 02:48 +1000
                                                                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:18 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 15:16 +0000
                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-08 05:57 -0700
                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:53 -0500
                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 13:47 -0700
                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-08 20:12 -0500
                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 00:22 -0700
                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-09 00:47 -0700
                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:21 -0500
                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-09 06:13 -0700
                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-12 12:30 -0500
                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:14 -0500
                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-12 22:59 -0500
                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 00:27 -0700
                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-13 10:31 -0500
                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 10:05 -0700
                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 10:30 -0700
                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-09 07:19 -0700
                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-12 12:45 -0500
                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:16 -0500
                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 10:17 -0700
                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:14 -0500
                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-14 05:12 -0700
                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 11:54 -0500
                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-14 13:53 -0700
                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:48 -0500
                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 03:42 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 05:28 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:47 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 16:14 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-16 16:30 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 12:27 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 14:41 -0500
                                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 13:25 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 15:33 -0500
                                                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-17 05:13 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:16 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:49 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:15 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 21:53 +0000
                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 11:00 -0700
                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 18:11 +1000
                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-14 13:56 +0000
                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 08:39 +1000
                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 02:44 +0000
                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-09 13:46 +0200
                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-09 05:49 -0700
                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-09 06:48 -0700
                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-09 15:47 +0000
                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-10 05:11 -0700
                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 10:46 -0700
                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 00:55 -0700
                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-10 11:56 +0200
                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 06:57 -0700
                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-11 09:27 +0200
                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute thomas789@gmail.com - 2016-09-11 02:26 -0700
                                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-13 21:10 +0200
                                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 13:09 -0700
                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 14:23 -0700
                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 10:25 -0500
                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-09 06:08 -0700
                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 09:29 -0500
                                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-10 05:00 -0700
                                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:00 -0500
                                                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-12 07:07 -0700
                                                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 12:24 -0500
                                                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-12 13:32 -0700
                                                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:37 -0500
                                                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 10:26 -0700
                                                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:21 -0500
                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 09:06 -0700
                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 03:15 +1000
                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:26 -0700
                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 04:30 +1000
                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-25 07:02 -0700
                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 15:22 -0500
                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 09:19 +1000
                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-26 20:35 -0700
                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-27 08:21 +0200
                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-27 05:23 -0700
                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-27 16:26 +0200
                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 07:54 -0500
                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-07 05:18 +1000
                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 17:21 -0500
                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-08 13:13 +1000
                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:31 -0500
                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-09 08:45 +1000
                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 06:23 -0700
                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-06 20:33 +0200
                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 04:52 -0700
                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 13:32 +0000
                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 07:13 -0700
                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 19:02 +0000
                                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 14:06 -0700
                                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 16:29 -0500
                                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-08 05:43 -0700
                                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:48 -0500
                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:59 -0700
                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:45 -0700
                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 21:35 -0700
                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-27 22:48 -0700
                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 06:31 -0700
            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:22 -0700
              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-23 22:59 -0700
                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:11 -0700
              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 03:18 +1000
        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 06:11 +0000
          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-28 02:52 +1000
            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-28 02:59 +0000
              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 06:22 +1000
                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-29 00:48 +0000
    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-22 23:35 +0200
      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-23 08:22 +1000
        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-23 20:18 +0200
          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-24 07:13 +1000
            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 13:31 +0200
              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 03:23 +1000
                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 20:44 +0200
                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 09:13 +1000
      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 14:00 -0700
        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 13:02 +0200
          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 08:03 -0700
            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:54 -0500
              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:33 -0700
                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:50 -0500
                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 14:03 -0700
                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 16:18 -0500
            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 19:12 +0200
              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 19:00 -0700
                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-25 12:21 +0200
                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 06:57 -0700
                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-25 17:44 +0200
                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:47 -0700
                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-25 19:48 +0200
                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:42 -0500
                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:52 -0700
                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 12:21 -0500
                      Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:49 -0700
                        Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:57 -0500
                          Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 14:11 -0700
                            Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 16:22 -0500
                              Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 21:23 -0700
                                Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 15:14 -0500
                                  Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-26 13:29 -0700
                                    Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 17:28 -0500

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#392244

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-13 15:14 -0500
Message-ID<nr9mnp$s2q$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#392231
On 9/13/2016 12:17 PM, kenseto wrote:
>> Ken is trying to angle for some concession that "real" or "physical"
>> > contractions are only the material ones like applied compressive forces
>> > or cooling, and that any other contractions are only "apparent" or
>> > "mathematical" or "illusory". He's wrong of course.
> I am not wrong....physicists failed to understand the real meaning of the
> length contraction equation.

Nonsense. The fact that you don't understand the meaning doesn't mean 
their view is wrong.

> The correct understanding is that the light-path
> length of a moving moving meter stick is predicted to be foreshortened by a
> factor of 1/gamma and this foreshortening is due to that the moving meter stick
> is in a higher state of absolute motion. This prediction by the observer is
> based on the assumption that the light-path length of his meter stick is its
> material length.


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#392313

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-09-14 05:12 -0700
Message-ID<8138dd45-3f5b-49ad-bef8-8eb51ae185ad@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#392244
On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/13/2016 12:17 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >> Ken is trying to angle for some concession that "real" or "physical"
> >> > contractions are only the material ones like applied compressive forces
> >> > or cooling, and that any other contractions are only "apparent" or
> >> > "mathematical" or "illusory". He's wrong of course.
> > I am not wrong....physicists failed to understand the real meaning of the
> > length contraction equation.
> 
> Nonsense. The fact that you don't understand the meaning doesn't mean 
> their view is wrong.

I understand that every time I carry a ladder through a narrow door way does not mean that the ladder is length contracted. Gee you are stupid.

> 
> > The correct understanding is that the light-path
> > length of a moving moving meter stick is predicted to be foreshortened by a
> > factor of 1/gamma and this foreshortening is due to that the moving meter stick
> > is in a higher state of absolute motion. This prediction by the observer is
> > based on the assumption that the light-path length of his meter stick is its
> > material length.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#392330

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-14 11:54 -0500
Message-ID<nrbvcj$114i$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#392313
On 9/14/2016 7:12 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/13/2016 12:17 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>> Ken is trying to angle for some concession that "real" or "physical"
>>>>> contractions are only the material ones like applied compressive forces
>>>>> or cooling, and that any other contractions are only "apparent" or
>>>>> "mathematical" or "illusory". He's wrong of course.
>>> I am not wrong....physicists failed to understand the real meaning of the
>>> length contraction equation.
>>
>> Nonsense. The fact that you don't understand the meaning doesn't mean
>> their view is wrong.
>
> I understand that every time I carry a ladder through a narrow door way does
> not mean that the ladder is length contracted. Gee you are stupid.

You are not following the analogy. Never mind. It doesn't work for you, 
so forget it.

>
>>
>>> The correct understanding is that the light-path
>>> length of a moving moving meter stick is predicted to be foreshortened by a
>>> factor of 1/gamma and this foreshortening is due to that the moving meter stick
>>> is in a higher state of absolute motion. This prediction by the observer is
>>> based on the assumption that the light-path length of his meter stick is its
>>> material length.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>


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#392361

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-09-14 13:53 -0700
Message-ID<dca6e94f-d188-4cdc-965f-6c8a253c039a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#392330
On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 12:54:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/14/2016 7:12 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 9/13/2016 12:17 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>> Ken is trying to angle for some concession that "real" or "physical"
> >>>>> contractions are only the material ones like applied compressive forces
> >>>>> or cooling, and that any other contractions are only "apparent" or
> >>>>> "mathematical" or "illusory". He's wrong of course.
> >>> I am not wrong....physicists failed to understand the real meaning of the
> >>> length contraction equation.
> >>
> >> Nonsense. The fact that you don't understand the meaning doesn't mean
> >> their view is wrong.
> >
> > I understand that every time I carry a ladder through a narrow door way does
> > not mean that the ladder is length contracted. Gee you are stupid.
> 
> You are not following the analogy. Never mind. It doesn't work for you, 
> so forget it.

How does a 80 ft long pole that can pass through a narrow door way and at the same time it can be trapped in 40 ft long barn???

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#392449

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 08:48 -0500
Message-ID<nre8s7$s4s$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#392361
On 9/14/2016 3:53 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 12:54:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/14/2016 7:12 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 4:14:53 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/13/2016 12:17 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>> Ken is trying to angle for some concession that "real" or "physical"
>>>>>>> contractions are only the material ones like applied compressive forces
>>>>>>> or cooling, and that any other contractions are only "apparent" or
>>>>>>> "mathematical" or "illusory". He's wrong of course.
>>>>> I am not wrong....physicists failed to understand the real meaning of the
>>>>> length contraction equation.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense. The fact that you don't understand the meaning doesn't mean
>>>> their view is wrong.
>>>
>>> I understand that every time I carry a ladder through a narrow door way does
>>> not mean that the ladder is length contracted. Gee you are stupid.
>>
>> You are not following the analogy. Never mind. It doesn't work for you,
>> so forget it.
>
> How does a 80 ft long pole that can pass through a narrow door way and at the
> same time it can be trapped in 40 ft long barn???
>

Forget it, Ken. You just aren't getting this at all.

I know you're going to try to blame someone else for not explaining 
things in a way that you can understand. It's nobody's fault. You're 
just not up to it.


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#392535

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-09-16 03:42 +0000
Message-ID<nrfpn6$5rq$9@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#392361
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 12:54:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/14/2016 7:12 AM, kenseto wrote:

>> > I understand that every time I carry a ladder through a narrow door way does
>> > not mean that the ladder is length contracted. Gee you are stupid.
>> 
>> You are not following the analogy. Never mind. It doesn't work for you, 
>> so forget it.

>How does a 80 ft long pole that can pass through a narrow door way and 
>at the same time it can be trapped in 40 ft long barn???

Now you are really, really confused.  Now you think the pole is being
carried slowly through a doorway and at the same time moving at a
relativistic speed through a barn?

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#392575

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-09-16 05:28 -0700
Message-ID<58e217ca-0ebd-40bc-9d9b-b4ac5438bfde@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#392535
On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> 
> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 12:54:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 9/14/2016 7:12 AM, kenseto wrote:
> 
> >> > I understand that every time I carry a ladder through a narrow door way does
> >> > not mean that the ladder is length contracted. Gee you are stupid.
> >> 
> >> You are not following the analogy. Never mind. It doesn't work for you, 
> >> so forget it.
> 
> >How does a 80 ft long pole that can pass through a narrow door way and 
> >at the same time it can be trapped in 40 ft long barn???
> 
> Now you are really, really confused.  Now you think the pole is being
> carried slowly through a doorway and at the same time moving at a
> relativistic speed through a barn?

No I don't think that. Tom Roberts said that a long ladder going through a narrow door way is equivalent to that a 80 ft. pole can be trapped in a 40 ft barn briefly by moving at relativistic speed. I disagree with the analogy. 

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#392584

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-16 08:47 -0500
Message-ID<nrgt4q$11nf$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#392575
On 9/16/2016 7:28 AM, kenseto wrote:

>
> No I don't think that. Tom Roberts said that a long ladder going through a narrow
> door way is equivalent to that a 80 ft. pole can be trapped in a 40 ft barn briefly
> by moving at relativistic speed. I disagree with the analogy.
>

You have not understood the analogy. It hasn't worked for you and has 
only confused you. Give it up.

It's not that it's a wrong analogy. It's that you haven't followed it.


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#392593

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-09-16 16:14 +0000
Message-ID<nrh5pv$7n6$6@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#392575
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
>> 
>> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 12:54:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> >> On 9/14/2016 7:12 AM, kenseto wrote:
>> 
>> >> > I understand that every time I carry a ladder through a narrow door way does
>> >> > not mean that the ladder is length contracted. Gee you are stupid.
>> >> 
>> >> You are not following the analogy. Never mind. It doesn't work for you, 
>> >> so forget it.
>> 
>> >How does a 80 ft long pole that can pass through a narrow door way and 
>> >at the same time it can be trapped in 40 ft long barn???
>> 
>> Now you are really, really confused.  Now you think the pole is being
>> carried slowly through a doorway and at the same time moving at a
>> relativistic speed through a barn?

>No I don't think that. Tom Roberts said that a long ladder going through a narrow door
>way is equivalent to that a 80 ft. pole can be trapped in a 40 ft barn briefly by
>moving at relativistic speed. I disagree with the analogy. 

No, as Tom stated, you simply don't understand the analogy. It is wasted on you.
In one case, the pole is rotated from a space direction into another space
direction, becoming smaller in the first dimension (and larger in the second).
In the other case, the pole is rotated from a space dimension (and thus measured
as shorter in that dimension) and becoming "larger" in the time dimension (seen
as time dilation and other effects by the stationary observer).

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#392596

FromMelzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com>
Date2016-09-16 16:30 +0000
Message-ID<nrh6nk$ga7$27@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#392593
On 2016-09-16, Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
>
>>On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
>>> 
>>> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 12:54:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> >> On 9/14/2016 7:12 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> 
>>> >> > I understand that every time I carry a ladder through a narrow door way does
>>> >> > not mean that the ladder is length contracted. Gee you are stupid.
>>> >> 
>>> >> You are not following the analogy. Never mind. It doesn't work for you, 
>>> >> so forget it.
>>> 
>>> >How does a 80 ft long pole that can pass through a narrow door way and 
>>> >at the same time it can be trapped in 40 ft long barn???
>>> 
>>> Now you are really, really confused.  Now you think the pole is being
>>> carried slowly through a doorway and at the same time moving at a
>>> relativistic speed through a barn?
>
>>No I don't think that. Tom Roberts said that a long ladder going through a narrow door
>>way is equivalent to that a 80 ft. pole can be trapped in a 40 ft barn briefly by
>>moving at relativistic speed. I disagree with the analogy. 
>
> No, as Tom stated, you simply don't understand the analogy. It is wasted on you.
> In one case, the pole is rotated from a space direction into another space
> direction, becoming smaller in the first dimension (and larger in the second).
> In the other case, the pole is rotated from a space dimension (and thus measured
> as shorter in that dimension) and becoming "larger" in the time dimension (seen
> as time dilation and other effects by the stationary observer).

Hm, how time can be dimension?  Time is constatation that something happens,
IMO...



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#392618

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-09-16 12:27 -0700
Message-ID<0c793b14-a5d6-4bb4-bc8d-784c45bd4905@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#392593
On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 12:16:03 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> 
> >On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 11:43:38 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:
> >> 
> >> >On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 12:54:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> >> On 9/14/2016 7:12 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> > I understand that every time I carry a ladder through a narrow door way does
> >> >> > not mean that the ladder is length contracted. Gee you are stupid.
> >> >> 
> >> >> You are not following the analogy. Never mind. It doesn't work for you, 
> >> >> so forget it.
> >> 
> >> >How does a 80 ft long pole that can pass through a narrow door way and 
> >> >at the same time it can be trapped in 40 ft long barn???
> >> 
> >> Now you are really, really confused.  Now you think the pole is being
> >> carried slowly through a doorway and at the same time moving at a
> >> relativistic speed through a barn?
> 
> >No I don't think that. Tom Roberts said that a long ladder going through a narrow door
> >way is equivalent to that a 80 ft. pole can be trapped in a 40 ft barn briefly by
> >moving at relativistic speed. I disagree with the analogy. 
> 
> No, as Tom stated, you simply don't understand the analogy. It is wasted on you.
> In one case, the pole is rotated from a space direction into another space
> direction, becoming smaller in the first dimension (and larger in the second).
> In the other case, the pole is rotated from a space dimension (and thus measured
> as shorter in that dimension) and becoming "larger" in the time dimension (seen
> as time dilation and other effects by the stationary observer).

ROTFLOL.....I THINK THE SPACE FAIRY DID IT.

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#392623

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-16 14:41 -0500
Message-ID<nrhhsb$66v$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#392618
On 9/16/2016 2:27 PM, kenseto wrote:
>> No, as Tom stated, you simply don't understand the analogy. It is wasted on you.
>> > In one case, the pole is rotated from a space direction into another space
>> > direction, becoming smaller in the first dimension (and larger in the second).
>> > In the other case, the pole is rotated from a space dimension (and thus measured
>> > as shorter in that dimension) and becoming "larger" in the time dimension (seen
>> > as time dilation and other effects by the stationary observer).
> ROTFLOL.....I THINK THE SPACE FAIRY DID IT.

Ken, do you think it really helps your image by mocking incredulously 
something you don't understand?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#392626

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-09-16 13:25 -0700
Message-ID<ff5c6648-a801-454d-ba2f-552d534002b1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#392623
On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:41:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/16/2016 2:27 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >> No, as Tom stated, you simply don't understand the analogy. It is wasted on you.
> >> > In one case, the pole is rotated from a space direction into another space
> >> > direction, becoming smaller in the first dimension (and larger in the second).
> >> > In the other case, the pole is rotated from a space dimension (and thus measured
> >> > as shorter in that dimension) and becoming "larger" in the time dimension (seen
> >> > as time dilation and other effects by the stationary observer).
> > ROTFLOL.....I THINK THE SPACE FAIRY DID IT.
> 
> Ken, do you think it really helps your image by mocking incredulously 
> something you don't understand?

What you said is equivalent to what a fairy would do.

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#392627

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-16 15:33 -0500
Message-ID<nrhkv7$b4s$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#392626
On 9/16/2016 3:25 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:41:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/16/2016 2:27 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>> No, as Tom stated, you simply don't understand the analogy. It is wasted on you.
>>>>> In one case, the pole is rotated from a space direction into another space
>>>>> direction, becoming smaller in the first dimension (and larger in the second).
>>>>> In the other case, the pole is rotated from a space dimension (and thus measured
>>>>> as shorter in that dimension) and becoming "larger" in the time dimension (seen
>>>>> as time dilation and other effects by the stationary observer).
>>> ROTFLOL.....I THINK THE SPACE FAIRY DID IT.
>>
>> Ken, do you think it really helps your image by mocking incredulously
>> something you don't understand?
>
> What you said is equivalent to what a fairy would do.
>

Arthur C. Clarke said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
indistinguishable from magic."

You don't understand how it works, so you call it the work of elves and 
pixies.

Tell me, Ken, do you know how a PET Scanner works? If you don't, do you 
suppose that they're the work of warlocks?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#392686

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-09-17 05:13 -0700
Message-ID<8641bf8c-6af6-4d79-8afc-bdcd389e005c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#392627
On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/16/2016 3:25 PM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:41:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 9/16/2016 2:27 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>> No, as Tom stated, you simply don't understand the analogy. It is wasted on you.
> >>>>> In one case, the pole is rotated from a space direction into another space
> >>>>> direction, becoming smaller in the first dimension (and larger in the second).
> >>>>> In the other case, the pole is rotated from a space dimension (and thus measured
> >>>>> as shorter in that dimension) and becoming "larger" in the time dimension (seen
> >>>>> as time dilation and other effects by the stationary observer).
> >>> ROTFLOL.....I THINK THE SPACE FAIRY DID IT.
> >>
> >> Ken, do you think it really helps your image by mocking incredulously
> >> something you don't understand?
> >
> > What you said is equivalent to what a fairy would do.
> >
> 
> Arthur C. Clarke said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is 
> indistinguishable from magic."
> 
> You don't understand how it works, so you call it the work of elves and 
> pixies. 

I know that a metal rod will come back the same length after a journey. That proved that length is intrinsic. 

> 
> Tell me, Ken, do you know how a PET Scanner works? If you don't, do you 
> suppose that they're the work of warlocks?
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#392824

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-18 08:16 -0500
Message-ID<nrm42d$l31$9@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#392686
On 9/17/2016 7:13 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/16/2016 3:25 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:41:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/16/2016 2:27 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>> No, as Tom stated, you simply don't understand the analogy. It is wasted on you.
>>>>>>> In one case, the pole is rotated from a space direction into another space
>>>>>>> direction, becoming smaller in the first dimension (and larger in the second).
>>>>>>> In the other case, the pole is rotated from a space dimension (and thus measured
>>>>>>> as shorter in that dimension) and becoming "larger" in the time dimension (seen
>>>>>>> as time dilation and other effects by the stationary observer).
>>>>> ROTFLOL.....I THINK THE SPACE FAIRY DID IT.
>>>>
>>>> Ken, do you think it really helps your image by mocking incredulously
>>>> something you don't understand?
>>>
>>> What you said is equivalent to what a fairy would do.
>>>
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
>> indistinguishable from magic."
>>
>> You don't understand how it works, so you call it the work of elves and
>> pixies.
>
> I know that a metal rod will come back the same length after a journey. That proved
> that length is intrinsic.

Nope. That's a "rule" you have made up.

>
>>
>> Tell me, Ken, do you know how a PET Scanner works? If you don't, do you
>> suppose that they're the work of warlocks?
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#392828

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-09-18 06:49 -0700
Message-ID<dfbb11b9-bc15-4038-b0f6-d78fad458fb9@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#392824
On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 9:16:00 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/17/2016 7:13 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 9/16/2016 3:25 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:41:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> On 9/16/2016 2:27 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>> No, as Tom stated, you simply don't understand the analogy. It is wasted on you.
> >>>>>>> In one case, the pole is rotated from a space direction into another space
> >>>>>>> direction, becoming smaller in the first dimension (and larger in the second).
> >>>>>>> In the other case, the pole is rotated from a space dimension (and thus measured
> >>>>>>> as shorter in that dimension) and becoming "larger" in the time dimension (seen
> >>>>>>> as time dilation and other effects by the stationary observer).
> >>>>> ROTFLOL.....I THINK THE SPACE FAIRY DID IT.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken, do you think it really helps your image by mocking incredulously
> >>>> something you don't understand?
> >>>
> >>> What you said is equivalent to what a fairy would do.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Arthur C. Clarke said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
> >> indistinguishable from magic."
> >>
> >> You don't understand how it works, so you call it the work of elves and
> >> pixies.
> >
> > I know that a metal rod will come back the same length after a journey. That proved
> > that length is intrinsic.
> 
> Nope. That's a "rule" you have made up.

I didn't make up such rule....that's the definition of intrinsic. material length does not change and therefore it is an intrinsic property.
> 
> >
> >>
> >> Tell me, Ken, do you know how a PET Scanner works? If you don't, do you
> >> suppose that they're the work of warlocks?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#392958

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-09-19 10:15 -0500
Message-ID<nrove9$1cdc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#392828
On 9/18/2016 8:49 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Sunday, September 18, 2016 at 9:16:00 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/17/2016 7:13 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 4:33:47 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/16/2016 3:25 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:41:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/16/2016 2:27 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>> No, as Tom stated, you simply don't understand the analogy. It is wasted on you.
>>>>>>>>> In one case, the pole is rotated from a space direction into another space
>>>>>>>>> direction, becoming smaller in the first dimension (and larger in the second).
>>>>>>>>> In the other case, the pole is rotated from a space dimension (and thus measured
>>>>>>>>> as shorter in that dimension) and becoming "larger" in the time dimension (seen
>>>>>>>>> as time dilation and other effects by the stationary observer).
>>>>>>> ROTFLOL.....I THINK THE SPACE FAIRY DID IT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken, do you think it really helps your image by mocking incredulously
>>>>>> something you don't understand?
>>>>>
>>>>> What you said is equivalent to what a fairy would do.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Arthur C. Clarke said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
>>>> indistinguishable from magic."
>>>>
>>>> You don't understand how it works, so you call it the work of elves and
>>>> pixies.
>>>
>>> I know that a metal rod will come back the same length after a journey. That proved
>>> that length is intrinsic.
>>
>> Nope. That's a "rule" you have made up.
>
> I didn't make up such rule....that's the definition of intrinsic.

Prove it. Where is that so defined outside your head?

> material length
> does not change and therefore it is an intrinsic property.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tell me, Ken, do you know how a PET Scanner works? If you don't, do you
>>>> suppose that they're the work of warlocks?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


-- 
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#392643

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-09-16 21:53 +0000
Message-ID<nrhpkr$7vl$1@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#392626
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:41:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/16/2016 2:27 PM, kenseto wrote:
>> > ROTFLOL.....I THINK THE SPACE FAIRY DID IT.
>> 
>> Ken, do you think it really helps your image by mocking incredulously 
>> something you don't understand?

>What you said is equivalent to what a fairy would do.

Ken, just because you are too stupid to understand the analogy
doesn't mean that space fairies did it.

But at least space fairies are more believable than IRT.

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#392235

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-09-13 11:00 -0700
Message-ID<29749d84-fedd-408b-b2d1-2d465df0c13b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#392164
On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 1:45:56 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> On 9/9/16 9/9/16 - 9:19 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 9:12:55 PM UTC-4, tjrob137 wrote:
> >> On 9/8/16 9/8/16   3:47 PM, Thomas wrote:
> >>> Moving relatively to an object can not make it shorter:
> >> Of course not.
> >
> > Good we all agreed.
> >> [...]
> >
> > So do you agree that length contraction is an apparent effect?
> 
> No. Because of the ambiguity in the word "apparent".
> 
> As I keep telling you and you keep forgetting, "length contraction" is a
> GEOMETRICAL PROJECTION, and it behaves exactly as such projections behave. So,
> for instance, if you want to carry a ladder through a doorway, what matters is
> the geometrical projection of the ladder's length onto the width of the doorway
> -- rotating the ladder does NOT change the ladder, but does change that projection.

But that's not length contraction.....

> 
> It's difficult to come up with a similar physical situation for "length
> contraction", except for various gedankens. The "pole and barn" does so -- it is
> in principle possible for a 40 meter pole to be wholly contained within a 20
> meter barn, if it moves fast enough relative to the barn. 

No it is not possible for a 40meter pole to be wholly contained within a 20 meter barn without material contraction. Since you denied the existence of material contraction then you resort to RoS to bail you out. RoS allows the barn door close and open at different times for the pole frame....this allow the pole to pass through the barn without hitting the barn doors. 
IRT avoids this problem....the 40 meter pole remake ins the same length in both frames however the light-path length of the pole is foreshortened by a factor of 1/gamma and thus the light-path length of the 40 meter pole is able to fit in the 20 meters material length of the barn.


>This OBVIOUSLY has to
> do with measuring the containment simultaneously in the barn frame. (and there
> must be open doors for the pole to move through, etc.). That "simultaneously" is
> performing a GEOMETRICAL PROJECTION of the pole's length onto the barn frame.
> 
> ain
> > IOW you can't compare the real width (material width) of the building W with
> > the apparent width of W*cos(45) to reach the conclusion that the width of the
> > building is contracted.
> 
> Sure you can. That is EXACTLY what those words mean in this context, with the
> specific meaning of "width" that I gave.
> 
> 
> > Time dilation is not exactly the same as projected length contraction. A
> > clock will accumulate less number of clock seconds after a journey while a
> > meter stick will return the same length after a journey.
> 
> As I keep telling you and you keep forgetting, a ruler makes a differential
> measurement but a clock makes an integral measurement. If you used an odometer
> to measure length, which is also an integrating instrument, its value would
> remain after the stick returns to rest. If you considered the differential tick 
> rate of the clock, it would not remain after the clock comes to rest.
> 

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