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Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2016-09-13 09:30 -0700
Last post2016-09-13 23:23 -0700
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  Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:30 -0700
    Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-13 09:44 -0700
      Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 15:06 -0700
        Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-13 15:16 -0700
          Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 18:27 -0700
            Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-14 20:41 -0700
              Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-14 20:46 -0700
    Re: Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-13 23:23 -0700

#392225 — Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-09-13 09:30 -0700
SubjectMath is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
Message-ID<57D829A8.4692@ix.netcom.com>
I'll try to make this brief..

Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.

Take for example:

The "Mandelbrot set"


It is no different
than giving an Artist
cannabis
and music
and you get the same effect
in the mind of the Artist
that you get with the
"Mandelbrot set".


That is proof Math is an invention of man.

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#392229

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-09-13 09:44 -0700
Message-ID<nr9ad3$ija$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#392225
On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> I'll try to make this brief..
>
> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
>
> Take for example:
>
> The "Mandelbrot set"

Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay 
small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his 
colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot 
set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery.


>
>
> It is no different
> than giving an Artist
> cannabis
> and music
> and you get the same effect
> in the mind of the Artist
> that you get with the
> "Mandelbrot set".

I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it 
kill their buzz?

;^)


>
>
> That is proof Math is an invention of man.
>

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#392246

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-09-13 15:06 -0700
Message-ID<57D87874.6243@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#392229
Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
> On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > I'll try to make this brief..
> >
> > Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
> >
> > Take for example:
> >
> > The "Mandelbrot set"
> 
> Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay
> small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his
> colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot
> set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery.
> 
> >
> >
> > It is no different
> > than giving an Artist
> > cannabis
> > and music
> > and you get the same effect
> > in the mind of the Artist
> > that you get with the
> > "Mandelbrot set".
> 
> I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it
> kill their buzz?


I didn't say "by hand", I wrote: "in the mind of the Artist"


"in the mind..."


That is where The "Mandelbrot set" exist Only, in the Mind.


Now, with 
giving an Artist
 cannabis
and music...
 you get the same effect
 'in the mind' of the Artist
 that you get with the
 "Mandelbrot set".









> 
> ;^)
> 
> >
> >
> > That is proof Math is an invention of man.
> >

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#392247

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-09-13 15:16 -0700
Message-ID<nr9ts2$t1l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#392246
On 9/13/2016 3:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> I'll try to make this brief..
>>>
>>> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
>>>
>>> Take for example:
>>>
>>> The "Mandelbrot set"
>>
>> Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay
>> small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his
>> colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot
>> set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is no different
>>> than giving an Artist
>>> cannabis
>>> and music
>>> and you get the same effect
>>> in the mind of the Artist
>>> that you get with the
>>> "Mandelbrot set".
>>
>> I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it
>> kill their buzz?
>
>
> I didn't say "by hand", I wrote: "in the mind of the Artist"
>
>
> "in the mind..."

Wow. Smoking weed and listing to music can create zooms of the set in 
your mind?

>
>
> That is where The "Mandelbrot set" exist Only, in the Mind.

Na. You can actually plot it, its not that hard and pretty 
straightforward. Have you ever tried to do it?

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#392268

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2016-09-13 18:27 -0700
Message-ID<57D8A777.34FB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#392247
Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> 
> On 9/13/2016 3:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> >>
> >> On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> I'll try to make this brief..
> >>>
> >>> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
> >>>
> >>> Take for example:
> >>>
> >>> The "Mandelbrot set"
> >>
> >> Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay
> >> small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his
> >> colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot
> >> set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery.
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is no different
> >>> than giving an Artist
> >>> cannabis
> >>> and music
> >>> and you get the same effect
> >>> in the mind of the Artist
> >>> that you get with the
> >>> "Mandelbrot set".
> >>
> >> I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it
> >> kill their buzz?
> >
> >
> > I didn't say "by hand", I wrote: "in the mind of the Artist"
> >
> >
> > "in the mind..."
> 
> Wow. Smoking weed and listing to music can create zooms of the set in
> your mind?

Well of course! If you do a google Image search for 1970's vintage posters during the turn-on generation,

you will see ' zooms of the set'
https://img1.etsystatic.com/043/0/9722227/il_fullxfull.636981077_rkpv.jpg
http://67.media.tumblr.com/febcd47fc00a46dc729f039f7a27ee49/tumblr_nb10gavOKy1sndzdgo1_1280.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/22/96740684_c3f1867877.jpg
http://www.trippystore.com/shop/images/items/005195.jpg



> 
> >
> >
> > That is where The "Mandelbrot set" exist Only, in the Mind.
> 
> Na. You can actually plot it, its not that hard and pretty
> straightforward. Have you ever tried to do it?



You can do it without using math...


cannabis
 and music
....
the math version is just....LSD with numbers.

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#392396

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-09-14 20:41 -0700
Message-ID<nrd591$is$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#392268
On 9/13/2016 6:27 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>
>> On 9/13/2016 3:06 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 9/13/2016 9:30 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> I'll try to make this brief..
>>>>>
>>>>> Math is an Invention, not a Discovery...arguement solved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take for example:
>>>>>
>>>>> The "Mandelbrot set"
>>>>
>>>> Mandelbrot wanted to see what happens when the orbits of z=z^2+c stay
>>>> small vs the ones that blow up into infinity. He got some of his
>>>> colleagues to write a program to graph it, and out popped the Mandelbrot
>>>> set. AFAICT, it was quite a beautiful discovery.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is no different
>>>>> than giving an Artist
>>>>> cannabis
>>>>> and music
>>>>> and you get the same effect
>>>>> in the mind of the Artist
>>>>> that you get with the
>>>>> "Mandelbrot set".
>>>>
>>>> I would like to see a stoned Artist plot the set by hand. Wouldn't it
>>>> kill their buzz?
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't say "by hand", I wrote: "in the mind of the Artist"
>>>
>>>
>>> "in the mind..."
>>
>> Wow. Smoking weed and listing to music can create zooms of the set in
>> your mind?
>
> Well of course! If you do a google Image search for 1970's vintage posters during the turn-on generation,
>
> you will see ' zooms of the set'
> https://img1.etsystatic.com/043/0/9722227/il_fullxfull.636981077_rkpv.jpg
> http://67.media.tumblr.com/febcd47fc00a46dc729f039f7a27ee49/tumblr_nb10gavOKy1sndzdgo1_1280.jpg
> https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/22/96740684_c3f1867877.jpg
> http://www.trippystore.com/shop/images/items/005195.jpg

Those are some beautiful pieces of art! Thank you for posting them.


>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is where The "Mandelbrot set" exist Only, in the Mind.
>>
>> Na. You can actually plot it, its not that hard and pretty
>> straightforward. Have you ever tried to do it?
>
>
>
> You can do it without using math...

Well, I guess one can. But, using math, one does not have to expose the 
mind to chemicals.

;^)


>
>
> cannabis
>  and music
> ....
> the math version is just....LSD with numbers.
>

LSD! Now, that shi% is really bad... A couple of friends of mine told me 
they never really felt the same after exposing their brain to it, and 
they actually regret doing it in the first place.

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#392397

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Date2016-09-14 20:46 -0700
Message-ID<nrd5ih$17r$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#392396
On 9/14/2016 8:41 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 9/13/2016 6:27 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
[...]
>> cannabis
>>  and music
>> ....
>> the math version is just....LSD with numbers.
>>
>
> LSD! Now, that shi% is really bad... A couple of friends of mine told me
> they never really felt the same after exposing their brain to it, and
> they actually regret doing it in the first place.

Hummm. I think I may have missed your point. Are you saying that once 
one plots the MSet, one must have theoretically absorbed LSD, and its 
brain might be totally fried, even though it never has taken it at all?

;^)

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#392286

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2016-09-13 23:23 -0700
Message-ID<0aca0f5a-ea5d-401b-8db4-cb493b87966e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#392225
W dniu wtorek, 13 września 2016 18:29:40 UTC+2 użytkownik The Starmaker napisał:

> That is proof Math is an invention of man.

Man? No. It was matrix. Still it is an invention.

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