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| Started by | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| First post | 2016-08-23 05:34 +1000 |
| Last post | 2016-08-26 17:28 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 664 — 26 participants |
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Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 05:34 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 14:58 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-23 06:44 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 15:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-23 08:20 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 07:11 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 14:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:24 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 08:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:55 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:34 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:51 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 02:58 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 14:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 12:22 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 09:11 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 07:52 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-24 07:10 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:26 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 13:40 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 15:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 14:16 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 08:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:58 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 21:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 15:14 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-26 13:36 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 21:39 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-27 22:58 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 06:34 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 06:18 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 11:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 05:10 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 07:49 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 06:32 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 09:04 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 07:30 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 10:23 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 11:00 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 14:14 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 16:34 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-08 13:21 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:32 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-09 08:47 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:18 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-10 06:12 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 15:44 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-09 19:20 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 17:23 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-10 13:39 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 17:27 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-12 19:56 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-13 09:27 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:27 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 08:43 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 10:49 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 08:42 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 09:43 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-18 19:37 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:49 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 05:10 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:20 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 22:40 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 19:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:53 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-22 08:17 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-09 19:19 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-10 13:44 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-10 04:10 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-11 15:27 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-11 07:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-12 07:51 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-11 17:41 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-12 19:53 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:35 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-12 06:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-12 21:15 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-13 09:40 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-13 07:01 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-13 10:35 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 09:01 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-13 18:43 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 23:51 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-14 01:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 18:18 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 01:46 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 16:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 18:57 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 03:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 20:56 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-14 04:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 08:49 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-15 03:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 04:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 08:46 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 09:12 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 05:54 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-18 19:55 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 11:52 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-14 13:46 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:47 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 05:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:48 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 07:16 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 09:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 16:18 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 12:32 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 14:39 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:38 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:09 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:27 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:56 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 13:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:09 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 20:42 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 13:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 22:03 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-16 22:16 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 06:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 16:57 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 17:22 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 08:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 18:34 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 09:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:03 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:07 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 10:19 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:30 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 11:07 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 20:13 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 11:40 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:30 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-17 13:52 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 13:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-17 20:42 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 02:14 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-20 20:34 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 19:34 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 05:51 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:04 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 06:16 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Python <python@org.invalid> - 2016-09-21 15:20 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 08:34 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:29 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-22 02:57 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-22 05:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:29 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 05:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:31 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-22 16:51 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-23 08:06 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 05:01 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-23 05:32 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:28 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:42 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-18 23:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:33 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 12:18 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:04 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-18 23:04 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-17 18:50 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:26 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-09-17 19:00 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-18 03:32 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 02:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:10 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 07:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-18 10:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 11:38 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-18 15:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 00:22 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-19 01:50 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-19 06:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 14:45 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 01:36 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 00:30 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 07:50 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-19 06:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 07:15 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:27 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 12:28 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-23 08:16 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 07:01 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:45 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 08:16 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 10:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 05:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 05:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 05:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 06:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:36 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 10:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 05:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:05 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 06:20 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:29 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 14:50 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 03:05 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 23:58 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 13:30 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 11:03 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 19:53 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 13:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-20 15:25 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 13:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 22:05 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 00:20 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-21 13:38 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 13:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-20 20:03 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-21 00:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> - 2016-09-20 21:59 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 00:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-21 13:53 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 13:55 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 15:45 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:37 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 06:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 10:37 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 13:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-21 16:07 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 15:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:39 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-21 17:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-09-21 18:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 14:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 16:38 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 17:09 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 00:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 00:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 05:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 06:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 06:21 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 06:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 17:25 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 18:36 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 11:10 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 19:51 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 18:07 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:27 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 04:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-22 19:48 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 11:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:15 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-28 10:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-28 13:18 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 14:54 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 05:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 09:30 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 19:44 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-01 05:30 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 13:15 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-03 12:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-04 20:42 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 14:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 22:22 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 11:36 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-22 03:48 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 10:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:33 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 12:51 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 15:46 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 07:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 08:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 10:26 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 05:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:08 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 10:42 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 11:46 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 12:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 20:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 04:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 07:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 10:27 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 10:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 15:36 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:01 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:08 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 14:25 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 13:39 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 16:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 14:37 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 16:48 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 04:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 04:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-24 07:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 11:44 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 11:50 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 13:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-28 13:39 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 09:00 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:13 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 06:28 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:14 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 10:42 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:32 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:32 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:52 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 00:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 00:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 08:22 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 02:54 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:19 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 20:07 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 06:11 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 11:16 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 13:55 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 14:58 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 17:11 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 17:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-28 14:37 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:58 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-28 23:21 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 00:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 14:10 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:56 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 00:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:19 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 13:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-29 14:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 11:34 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 13:14 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:35 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-30 17:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 09:24 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-01 12:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 03:37 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-02 05:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 05:31 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 16:34 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 13:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:00 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 03:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 17:54 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 19:03 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-29 03:19 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute me <crisdunbar@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 14:07 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 15:42 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-24 12:09 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:57 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-22 13:53 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:32 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:30 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-22 15:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-24 08:36 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 19:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-23 20:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-24 15:27 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 00:07 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-25 23:21 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 00:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 10:30 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 01:44 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-26 05:54 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 06:37 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-26 21:23 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-28 15:23 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-27 07:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 10:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-26 18:10 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 10:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-25 11:53 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-25 23:20 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 23:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 11:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 13:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-09-27 17:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 08:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-28 23:18 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 05:54 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:18 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 00:09 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 21:09 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 05:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 06:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:25 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 11:39 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:19 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 12:36 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-19 16:58 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 05:38 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:35 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-20 10:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 12:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 05:41 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Python <python@org.invalid> - 2016-09-21 14:48 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-21 13:55 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-09-21 20:33 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:42 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-21 06:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 08:08 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 02:45 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 00:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-20 13:37 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 08:37 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 17:42 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:30 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-17 05:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-17 14:22 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 02:07 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-19 20:03 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 14:57 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 11:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-19 07:07 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-19 18:05 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 05:24 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 13:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 05:25 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 14:34 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:54 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:30 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 02:57 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:20 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-27 09:30 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 08:50 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-17 18:43 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 09:04 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 10:03 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-18 20:03 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 09:50 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-20 05:04 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 07:20 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-20 05:56 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-21 19:18 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 07:56 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-22 03:05 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 10:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 14:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-22 08:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 15:36 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-22 12:11 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 09:28 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 05:47 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 15:07 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-23 06:52 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-22 16:49 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-23 08:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 07:02 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-23 07:50 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 09:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 05:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-24 15:56 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-24 15:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-25 02:07 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 13:07 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-25 17:29 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 17:04 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 03:02 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-28 08:48 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-29 14:48 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 10:11 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-30 09:28 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-30 07:13 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-01 08:36 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:03 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-02 17:58 +1100
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-03 08:46 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-03 07:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-04 07:24 +1100
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-06 07:55 +1100
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 16:08 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-05 17:39 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-08 21:28 +1100
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@hotspam.not> - 2016-10-08 19:04 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 09:34 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-04 07:25 +1100
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-24 08:55 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 12:44 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-25 05:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-24 15:31 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-25 17:16 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 17:03 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-27 02:48 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-26 12:18 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 15:16 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-08 05:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:53 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 13:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-08 20:12 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 00:22 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-09 00:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 07:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-09 06:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-12 12:30 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:14 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-12 22:59 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 00:27 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-13 10:31 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 10:05 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 10:30 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-09 07:19 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-09-12 12:45 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:16 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 10:17 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:14 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-14 05:12 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 11:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-14 13:53 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 08:48 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 03:42 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 05:28 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 08:47 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 16:14 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-16 16:30 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 12:27 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 14:41 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-16 13:25 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-16 15:33 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-17 05:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-18 08:16 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-18 06:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-19 10:15 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 21:53 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 11:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 18:11 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-14 13:56 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 08:39 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-16 02:44 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-09 13:46 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-09 05:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-09 06:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-09 15:47 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-10 05:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 10:46 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 00:55 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-10 11:56 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-10 06:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-11 09:27 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute thomas789@gmail.com - 2016-09-11 02:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-09-13 21:10 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 13:09 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 14:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 10:25 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-09 06:08 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-09 09:29 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-10 05:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-11 18:00 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-12 07:07 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 12:24 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-12 13:32 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-12 15:37 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-13 10:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-13 15:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 09:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 03:15 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:26 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 04:30 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2016-08-25 07:02 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 15:22 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 09:19 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-26 20:35 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-27 08:21 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-27 05:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-08-27 16:26 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 07:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-07 05:18 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 17:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-08 13:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:31 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-09-09 08:45 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-09-06 06:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-06 20:33 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 04:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 13:32 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 07:13 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-07 19:02 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-07 14:06 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-07 16:29 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-09-08 05:43 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-09-08 11:48 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:45 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-27 21:35 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-27 22:48 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-28 06:31 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-23 16:22 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-08-23 22:59 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 03:18 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-27 06:11 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-28 02:52 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-28 02:59 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-29 06:22 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-29 00:48 +0000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-22 23:35 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-08-23 08:22 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-23 20:18 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-24 07:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 13:31 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-25 03:23 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 20:44 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-08-27 09:13 +1000
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-23 14:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 13:02 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 08:03 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 10:54 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:33 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:50 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 14:03 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 16:18 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-24 19:12 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-24 19:00 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-25 12:21 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 06:57 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-25 17:44 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:47 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-08-25 19:48 +0200
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 08:42 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 09:52 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 12:21 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 13:49 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 15:57 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 14:11 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-25 16:22 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-25 21:23 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 15:14 -0500
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-26 13:29 -0700
Re: Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-26 17:28 -0500
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| From | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-08-23 05:34 +1000 |
| Subject | Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute |
| Message-ID | <npfk40$o28$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute According to the theory of Einstein, two events which are simultaneous in one frame of reference, are not simultaneous in another. The following thought experiment shows that this cannot be true. It demonstrates that if two events occur at the same instant according to clocks in one frame, they also occur at the same instant according to the clocks of any other frame. The proof makes three assumptions, all of which have been vehemently supported by proponents of Einstein on this very newsgroup. They are (1) There is no absolute aether. (2) Atomic clocks are unaffected by changes in gravity or the forces experienced in centrifuges or GPS rocket launchers. (3) Nothing PHYSICALLY happens to rigid rods or cesium clocks as a result of a speed change (that is logically obvious since an acceleration in one frame means a deceleration in an infinite number of others). The experiment requires two aligned and identical rods and four identical clocks, all of which are absolutely synchronized in both rate and reading whilst together. The following steps are taken: 1. C1C2C3C4 __________________________________ __________________________________ 2. The four clocks are moved carefully to the ends of the rods. C1__________________________________C2 C3__________________________________C4 Since no aether exists, it can be assumed that the clocks have not changed in any way (there is nothing which might have caused them to change). They remain in perfect absiolute synch (and can be reunited any time to check) 3. The rods are separated with identical but opposite movements. C1__________________________________C2 C3__________________________________C4 Again, since there is no aether, it can be assumed that nothing physically happens to either clocks or rods during this process. 4. The two systems are symmetrically caused to move towards each other. C1__________________________________C2>v v<C3__________________________________C4 5. Two events are now defined. E1 occurs when C1 and C3 are adjacent. E2 occurs when C2 and C4 are adjacent. Since the clocks have not physically changed (and there is nothing which might have caused them to change), it is obvious that when E1 occurs, the reading of C1 must be identical to that of C3 and when E2 occurs, the reading of C2 must be identical to that of C4. It also follows that since the rods have not physically changed (and there is nothing which might have caused them to change), all four readings which register the two events must be the same. Therefore simultaneity has been shown to be identical in both frames and the events E1 and E2 are thus known to DEFINE the same ABSOLUTE instant in all frames.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-22 14:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npflgk$qf1$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390586 |
On 8/22/2016 2:34 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > Proof That Simultaneity is Absolute > > According to the theory of Einstein, two events which are simultaneous > in one frame of reference, are not simultaneous in another. The > following thought experiment shows that this cannot be true. It > demonstrates that if two events occur at the same instant according to > clocks in one frame, they also occur at the same instant according to > the clocks of any other frame. The proof makes three assumptions, all of > which have been vehemently supported by proponents of Einstein on this > very newsgroup. They are (1) There is no absolute aether. (2) Atomic > clocks are unaffected by changes in gravity or the forces experienced in > centrifuges or GPS rocket launchers. (3) Nothing PHYSICALLY happens to > rigid rods or cesium clocks as a result of a speed change (that is > logically obvious since an acceleration in one frame means a > deceleration in an infinite number of others). > > The experiment requires two aligned and identical rods and four > identical clocks, all of which are absolutely synchronized in both rate > and reading whilst together. The following steps are taken: > > 1. C1C2C3C4 > __________________________________ > __________________________________ > > 2. The four clocks are moved carefully to the ends of the rods. > C1__________________________________C2 > C3__________________________________C4 > > Since no aether exists, it can be assumed that the clocks have not > changed in any way (there is nothing which might have caused them to > change). They remain in perfect absiolute synch (and can be reunited any > time to check) > > 3. The rods are separated with identical but opposite movements. > > C1__________________________________C2 > C3__________________________________C4 > > Again, since there is no aether, it can be assumed that nothing > physically happens to either clocks or rods during this process. > > 4. The two systems are symmetrically caused to move towards each other. > C1__________________________________C2>v > v<C3__________________________________C4 > > 5. Two events are now defined. E1 occurs when C1 and C3 are adjacent. E2 > occurs when C2 and C4 are adjacent. > Since the clocks have not physically changed (and there is nothing which > might have caused them to change), it is obvious that when E1 occurs, > the reading of C1 must be identical to that of C3 and when E2 occurs, > the reading of C2 must be identical to that of C4. It also follows that > since the rods have not physically changed (and there is nothing which > might have caused them to change), all four readings which register the > two events must be the same. > Therefore simultaneity has been shown to be identical in both frames and > the events E1 and E2 are thus known to DEFINE the same ABSOLUTE instant > in all frames. > > Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-08-23 06:44 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <npfo6b$unc$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390589 |
On 23/08/16 05:58, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> >> > > Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one > frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? Idiot! Th0ere are two frames....each rod defines one. > > >
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-22 15:57 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npfov1$101i$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390596 |
On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > On 23/08/16 05:58, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>> >>> >> >> Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one >> frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? > > Idiot! Th0ere are two frames....each rod defines one. > Oh, but you only drew it from the perspective of a third frame, in which both rods are moving. There is no inertial frame that either of the rod defines, because as you say, the motion of the rod is not constant and so cannot be at rest in any inertial frame. If you want to take a look at the last part of your thought experiment where the two rods are approaching each other, we can certainly find a frame where one of the rods is at rest and the other one is moving. In this frame, one does not expect E1 and E2 to occur at the same time. This is obvious because one rod is shorter than the other in this frame, and so it is physically impossible for the paired ends of the rods to coincide at the same time. Isn't that obvious? In this frame, there's going to be a rod of length L that's stationary, and a rod of length L/gamma that's passing it. How are the ends of those two rods going to coincide at the same time? -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "HGW." <hw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-08-23 08:20 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <npftr2$17l5$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390598 |
On 23/08/16 06:57, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >> On 23/08/16 05:58, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one >>> frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? >> >> Idiot! Th0ere are two frames....each rod defines one. >> > > Oh, but you only drew it from the perspective of a third frame, in which > both rods are moving. > > There is no inertial frame that either of the rod defines, because as > you say, the motion of the rod is not constant and so cannot be at rest > in any inertial frame. > > If you want to take a look at the last part of your thought experiment > where the two rods are approaching each other, we can certainly find a > frame where one of the rods is at rest and the other one is moving. In > this frame, one does not expect E1 and E2 to occur at the same time. The rod frames can represent any frame you like. No wonder you can't understand Ken Seto when he talks about frames. You obviously haven't a clue. > This is obvious because one rod is shorter than the other in this frame, Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? > and so it is physically impossible for the paired ends of the rods to > coincide at the same time. Sorry. it is impossible for them NOT to coincide at the same absolute instant. You are basing your argument on a theory which has been derived on a presumption that either an aether exists OR simultaneity is relative. Like all your arguments, you are relying on circular logic. Isn't that obvious? In this frame, there's > going to be a rod of length L that's stationary, and a rod of length > L/gamma that's passing it. How are the ends of those two rods going to > coincide at the same time? Gamma does not exist. Nothing exists that can affect the lengths of the rods. --
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-23 07:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npheh0$18ab$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390607 |
On 8/22/2016 5:20 PM, HGW. wrote: > On 23/08/16 06:57, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >>> On 23/08/16 05:58, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one >>>> frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? >>> >>> Idiot! Th0ere are two frames....each rod defines one. >>> >> >> Oh, but you only drew it from the perspective of a third frame, in which >> both rods are moving. >> >> There is no inertial frame that either of the rod defines, because as >> you say, the motion of the rod is not constant and so cannot be at rest >> in any inertial frame. >> >> If you want to take a look at the last part of your thought experiment >> where the two rods are approaching each other, we can certainly find a >> frame where one of the rods is at rest and the other one is moving. In >> this frame, one does not expect E1 and E2 to occur at the same time. > > The rod frames can represent any frame you like. ????? > No wonder you can't > understand Ken Seto when he talks about frames. You obviously haven't a > clue. > >> This is obvious because one rod is shorter than the other in this frame, > > Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie about itself. So the fact that you don't understand WHY it happens should not lead you to believe that it does NOT happen. > >> and so it is physically impossible for the paired ends of the rods to >> coincide at the same time. > > Sorry. it is impossible for them NOT to coincide at the same absolute > instant. Sorry, but I disagree, based on experimental observation. You deciding what is possible and what is impossible without reference to experimental fact is faith at best, delusion at worst. > You are basing your argument on a theory which has been derived on a > presumption that either an aether exists OR simultaneity is relative. > Like all your arguments, you are relying on circular logic. No, I'm relying on experimental fact. I know you don't want to look at data, preferring instead to focus on arguments and circularity and logic and which presumptions you want to choose. But that's not what science is about. > > Isn't that obvious? In this frame, there's >> going to be a rod of length L that's stationary, and a rod of length >> L/gamma that's passing it. How are the ends of those two rods going to >> coincide at the same time? > > Gamma does not exist. Nothing exists that can affect the lengths of the > rods. Experimental fact. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-23 14:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e64e984b-b79b-49a7-a4ae-96242468d5da@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390639 |
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:11:15 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/22/2016 5:20 PM, HGW. wrote: > > On 23/08/16 06:57, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > >>> On 23/08/16 05:58, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one > >>>> frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? > >>> > >>> Idiot! Th0ere are two frames....each rod defines one. > >>> > >> > >> Oh, but you only drew it from the perspective of a third frame, in which > >> both rods are moving. > >> > >> There is no inertial frame that either of the rod defines, because as > >> you say, the motion of the rod is not constant and so cannot be at rest > >> in any inertial frame. > >> > >> If you want to take a look at the last part of your thought experiment > >> where the two rods are approaching each other, we can certainly find a > >> frame where one of the rods is at rest and the other one is moving. In > >> this frame, one does not expect E1 and E2 to occur at the same time. > > > > The rod frames can represent any frame you like. > > ????? > > > No wonder you can't > > understand Ken Seto when he talks about frames. You obviously haven't a > > clue. > > > >> This is obvious because one rod is shorter than the other in this frame, > > > > Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? > > Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie > about itself. That's a lie. There is no material length contraction. There is light-path length shortening. That means that Henry's thought experiment is valid and simultaneity is absolute. > > So the fact that you don't understand WHY it happens should not lead you > to believe that it does NOT happen. > > > > >> and so it is physically impossible for the paired ends of the rods to > >> coincide at the same time. > > > > Sorry. it is impossible for them NOT to coincide at the same absolute > > instant. > > Sorry, but I disagree, based on experimental observation. You deciding > what is possible and what is impossible without reference to > experimental fact is faith at best, delusion at worst. > > > You are basing your argument on a theory which has been derived on a > > presumption that either an aether exists OR simultaneity is relative. > > Like all your arguments, you are relying on circular logic. > > No, I'm relying on experimental fact. I know you don't want to look at > data, preferring instead to focus on arguments and circularity and logic > and which presumptions you want to choose. But that's not what science > is about. > > > > > Isn't that obvious? In this frame, there's > >> going to be a rod of length L that's stationary, and a rod of length > >> L/gamma that's passing it. How are the ends of those two rods going to > >> coincide at the same time? > > > > Gamma does not exist. Nothing exists that can affect the lengths of the > > rods. > > Experimental fact. > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-23 16:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npietg$114c$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390684 |
On 8/23/2016 4:05 PM, kenseto wrote: > On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:11:15 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 8/22/2016 5:20 PM, HGW. wrote: >>> On 23/08/16 06:57, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >>>>> On 23/08/16 05:58, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one >>>>>> frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? >>>>> >>>>> Idiot! Th0ere are two frames....each rod defines one. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh, but you only drew it from the perspective of a third frame, in which >>>> both rods are moving. >>>> >>>> There is no inertial frame that either of the rod defines, because as >>>> you say, the motion of the rod is not constant and so cannot be at rest >>>> in any inertial frame. >>>> >>>> If you want to take a look at the last part of your thought experiment >>>> where the two rods are approaching each other, we can certainly find a >>>> frame where one of the rods is at rest and the other one is moving. In >>>> this frame, one does not expect E1 and E2 to occur at the same time. >>> >>> The rod frames can represent any frame you like. >> >> ????? >> >>> No wonder you can't >>> understand Ken Seto when he talks about frames. You obviously haven't a >>> clue. >>> >>>> This is obvious because one rod is shorter than the other in this frame, >>> >>> Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? >> >> Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie >> about itself. > > That's a lie. There is no material length contraction. Length contraction is not material. It has nevertheless been measured in experiment. Only an idiot would say that length contraction could only be measurable if it were material. Are you an idiot? > There is light-path length shortening. That means that Henry's thought experiment > is valid and simultaneity is absolute. > > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 08:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0ba5537e-3f2e-47b5-85ae-f0bf3f30de62@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390690 |
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 5:24:04 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/23/2016 4:05 PM, kenseto wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:11:15 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 8/22/2016 5:20 PM, HGW. wrote: > >>> On 23/08/16 06:57, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > >>>>> On 23/08/16 05:58, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one > >>>>>> frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? > >>>>> > >>>>> Idiot! Th0ere are two frames....each rod defines one. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Oh, but you only drew it from the perspective of a third frame, in which > >>>> both rods are moving. > >>>> > >>>> There is no inertial frame that either of the rod defines, because as > >>>> you say, the motion of the rod is not constant and so cannot be at rest > >>>> in any inertial frame. > >>>> > >>>> If you want to take a look at the last part of your thought experiment > >>>> where the two rods are approaching each other, we can certainly find a > >>>> frame where one of the rods is at rest and the other one is moving. In > >>>> this frame, one does not expect E1 and E2 to occur at the same time. > >>> > >>> The rod frames can represent any frame you like. > >> > >> ????? > >> > >>> No wonder you can't > >>> understand Ken Seto when he talks about frames. You obviously haven't a > >>> clue. > >>> > >>>> This is obvious because one rod is shorter than the other in this frame, > >>> > >>> Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? > >> > >> Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie > >> about itself. > > > > That's a lie. There is no material length contraction. > > Length contraction is not material. It has nevertheless been measured in > experiment. A lie....if it is not material then the two ends will line up perfectly to give absolute synch. > > Only an idiot would say that length contraction could only be measurable > if it were material. Are you an idiot? ROTFLOL....pot kettle black. Idiot it is measurable if you assume that the incoming speed of light is c. It is not. Also if it is not material what is contracting by a factor of 1/gamma? > > > There is light-path length shortening. That means that Henry's thought experiment > > is valid and simultaneity is absolute. No answer.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 10:55 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npkg20$qi$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390756 |
On 8/24/2016 10:13 AM, kenseto wrote: > On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 5:24:04 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 8/23/2016 4:05 PM, kenseto wrote: >>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:11:15 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 8/22/2016 5:20 PM, HGW. wrote: >>>>> On 23/08/16 06:57, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >>>>>>> On 23/08/16 05:58, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one >>>>>>>> frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Idiot! Th0ere are two frames....each rod defines one. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, but you only drew it from the perspective of a third frame, in which >>>>>> both rods are moving. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is no inertial frame that either of the rod defines, because as >>>>>> you say, the motion of the rod is not constant and so cannot be at rest >>>>>> in any inertial frame. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to take a look at the last part of your thought experiment >>>>>> where the two rods are approaching each other, we can certainly find a >>>>>> frame where one of the rods is at rest and the other one is moving. In >>>>>> this frame, one does not expect E1 and E2 to occur at the same time. >>>>> >>>>> The rod frames can represent any frame you like. >>>> >>>> ????? >>>> >>>>> No wonder you can't >>>>> understand Ken Seto when he talks about frames. You obviously haven't a >>>>> clue. >>>>> >>>>>> This is obvious because one rod is shorter than the other in this frame, >>>>> >>>>> Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? >>>> >>>> Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie >>>> about itself. >>> >>> That's a lie. There is no material length contraction. >> >> Length contraction is not material. It has nevertheless been measured in >> experiment. > > A lie....if it is not material then the two ends will line up perfectly to give absolute synch. Nope. Length contraction is measured. > >> >> Only an idiot would say that length contraction could only be measurable >> if it were material. Are you an idiot? > > ROTFLOL....pot kettle black. Idiot it is measurable if you assume that the incoming > speed of light is c. It's measured to be c. And length contraction is measurable. > It is not. Also if it is not material what is contracting by a factor of 1/gamma? The measured length. Even though the length contraction is not material. > >> >>> There is light-path length shortening. That means that Henry's thought experiment >>> is valid and simultaneity is absolute. > > No answer. > It wasn't worth answering. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 13:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6409abe6-a9c7-4d9b-8095-5a5e12838d40@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390760 |
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 11:55:47 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/24/2016 10:13 AM, kenseto wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 5:24:04 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 8/23/2016 4:05 PM, kenseto wrote: > >>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:11:15 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>> On 8/22/2016 5:20 PM, HGW. wrote: > >>>>> On 23/08/16 06:57, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>> On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > >>>>>>> On 23/08/16 05:58, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one > >>>>>>>> frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Idiot! Th0ere are two frames....each rod defines one. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Oh, but you only drew it from the perspective of a third frame, in which > >>>>>> both rods are moving. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There is no inertial frame that either of the rod defines, because as > >>>>>> you say, the motion of the rod is not constant and so cannot be at rest > >>>>>> in any inertial frame. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you want to take a look at the last part of your thought experiment > >>>>>> where the two rods are approaching each other, we can certainly find a > >>>>>> frame where one of the rods is at rest and the other one is moving. In > >>>>>> this frame, one does not expect E1 and E2 to occur at the same time. > >>>>> > >>>>> The rod frames can represent any frame you like. > >>>> > >>>> ????? > >>>> > >>>>> No wonder you can't > >>>>> understand Ken Seto when he talks about frames. You obviously haven't a > >>>>> clue. > >>>>> > >>>>>> This is obvious because one rod is shorter than the other in this frame, > >>>>> > >>>>> Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? > >>>> > >>>> Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie > >>>> about itself. > >>> > >>> That's a lie. There is no material length contraction. > >> > >> Length contraction is not material. It has nevertheless been measured in > >> experiment. > > > > A lie....if it is not material then the two ends will line up perfectly to give absolute synch. > > Nope. Length contraction is measured. Nope length contraction never been measured......in fact it is impossible to do so. > > > > >> > >> Only an idiot would say that length contraction could only be measurable > >> if it were material. Are you an idiot? > > > > ROTFLOL....pot kettle black. Idiot it is measurable if you assume that the incoming > > speed of light is c. > > It's measured to be c. And length contraction is measurable. > > > It is not. Also if it is not material what is contracting by a factor of 1/gamma? > > The measured length. Even though the length contraction is not material. > > > > >> > >>> There is light-path length shortening. That means that Henry's thought experiment > >>> is valid and simultaneity is absolute. > > > > No answer. > > > > It wasn't worth answering. > > > -- > Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 15:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npnlp7$13m0$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390910 |
On 8/25/2016 3:34 PM, kenseto wrote: > On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 11:55:47 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 8/24/2016 10:13 AM, kenseto wrote: >>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 5:24:04 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 8/23/2016 4:05 PM, kenseto wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 8:11:15 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> On 8/22/2016 5:20 PM, HGW. wrote: >>>>>>> On 23/08/16 06:57, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 23/08/16 05:58, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Throughout this whole discussion, you've stayed in one frame and one >>>>>>>>>> frame only. And in this one frame E2 and E1 are simultaneous. So what? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Idiot! Th0ere are two frames....each rod defines one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh, but you only drew it from the perspective of a third frame, in which >>>>>>>> both rods are moving. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no inertial frame that either of the rod defines, because as >>>>>>>> you say, the motion of the rod is not constant and so cannot be at rest >>>>>>>> in any inertial frame. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you want to take a look at the last part of your thought experiment >>>>>>>> where the two rods are approaching each other, we can certainly find a >>>>>>>> frame where one of the rods is at rest and the other one is moving. In >>>>>>>> this frame, one does not expect E1 and E2 to occur at the same time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The rod frames can represent any frame you like. >>>>>> >>>>>> ????? >>>>>> >>>>>>> No wonder you can't >>>>>>> understand Ken Seto when he talks about frames. You obviously haven't a >>>>>>> clue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is obvious because one rod is shorter than the other in this frame, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? >>>>>> >>>>>> Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie >>>>>> about itself. >>>>> >>>>> That's a lie. There is no material length contraction. >>>> >>>> Length contraction is not material. It has nevertheless been measured in >>>> experiment. >>> >>> A lie....if it is not material then the two ends will line up perfectly to give absolute synch. >> >> Nope. Length contraction is measured. > > Nope length contraction never been measured......in fact it is impossible to do so. Factually incorrect. There is documentation of length contraction measurement, though not in the way you have suggested would convince you. Nevertheless, it has been done. You saying that's impossible means nothing. You might as well say that men landing on the moon is impossible and has never been done. >> >>> >>>> >>>> Only an idiot would say that length contraction could only be measurable >>>> if it were material. Are you an idiot? >>> >>> ROTFLOL....pot kettle black. Idiot it is measurable if you assume that the incoming >>> speed of light is c. >> >> It's measured to be c. And length contraction is measurable. >> >>> It is not. Also if it is not material what is contracting by a factor of 1/gamma? >> >> The measured length. Even though the length contraction is not material. >> >>> >>>> >>>>> There is light-path length shortening. That means that Henry's thought experiment >>>>> is valid and simultaneity is absolute. >>> >>> No answer. >>> >> >> It wasn't worth answering. >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 02:58 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <npkjni$7p3$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390690 |
On 24/08/16 07:24, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/23/2016 4:05 PM, kenseto wrote: >>>> >>>> Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? >>> >>> Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie >>> about itself. >> >> That's a lie. There is no material length contraction. > > Length contraction is not material. It has nevertheless been measured in > experiment. In aether theories...which includes SR... length contraction IS material. It has never been measured and there is no aether. > Only an idiot would say that length contraction could only be measurable > if it were material. Are you an idiot? If it was not material it would exist only in fairyland. >> There is light-path length shortening. That means that Henry's thought >> experiment >> is valid and simultaneity is absolute. Light plays no part in my experiment. Light has nothing to do with the existence of space or time.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 14:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npkubq$pu4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390768 |
On 8/24/2016 11:58 AM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > On 24/08/16 07:24, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 8/23/2016 4:05 PM, kenseto wrote: > >>>>> >>>>> Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? >>>> >>>> Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie >>>> about itself. >>> >>> That's a lie. There is no material length contraction. >> >> Length contraction is not material. It has nevertheless been measured in >> experiment. > > In aether theories...which includes SR... length contraction IS > material. In aether theories, which SR is NOT, length contraction is material indeed. In SR, length contraction is not material. > It has never been measured and there is no aether. It HAS been measured in the real world, though maybe not in your fantasy world. And there is no evidence of aether. > >> Only an idiot would say that length contraction could only be measurable >> if it were material. Are you an idiot? > > If it was not material it would exist only in fairyland. Bullshit. > >>> There is light-path length shortening. That means that Henry's thought >>> experiment >>> is valid and simultaneity is absolute. > > Light plays no part in my experiment. > > Light has nothing to do with the existence of space or time. > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 09:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c6b9ba0c-15e3-4d81-ae91-cb59b018e14c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #390789 |
On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 3:59:58 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/24/2016 11:58 AM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > > On 24/08/16 07:24, Odd Bodkin wrote: > >> On 8/23/2016 4:05 PM, kenseto wrote: > > > >>>>> > >>>>> Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? > >>>> > >>>> Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie > >>>> about itself. > >>> > >>> That's a lie. There is no material length contraction. > >> > >> Length contraction is not material. It has nevertheless been measured in > >> experiment. > > > > In aether theories...which includes SR... length contraction IS > > material. > > In aether theories, which SR is NOT, length contraction is material indeed. > > In SR, length contraction is not material. So what is contracting? > > > It has never been measured and there is no aether. > > It HAS been measured in the real world, though maybe not in your fantasy > world. And there is no evidence of aether. Bullshit....no such measurement ever been made. > > > > >> Only an idiot would say that length contraction could only be measurable > >> if it were material. Are you an idiot? > > > > If it was not material it would exist only in fairyland. > > Bullshit. Yes what you said is bullshit. >
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-25 12:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npn9h7$drm$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390892 |
On 8/25/2016 11:56 AM, kenseto wrote: > On Wednesday, August 24, 2016 at 3:59:58 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 8/24/2016 11:58 AM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >>> On 24/08/16 07:24, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 8/23/2016 4:05 PM, kenseto wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why is it shorter? What would make it shorter? >>>>>> >>>>>> Length contraction, an observed experimental result. Nature doesn't lie >>>>>> about itself. >>>>> >>>>> That's a lie. There is no material length contraction. >>>> >>>> Length contraction is not material. It has nevertheless been measured in >>>> experiment. >>> >>> In aether theories...which includes SR... length contraction IS >>> material. >> >> In aether theories, which SR is NOT, length contraction is material indeed. >> >> In SR, length contraction is not material. > > So what is contracting? The length of the rod. It is not a material contraction. >> >>> It has never been measured and there is no aether. >> >> It HAS been measured in the real world, though maybe not in your fantasy >> world. And there is no evidence of aether. > > Bullshit....no such measurement ever been made. Nonsense. It's documented in the literature. >> >>> >>>> Only an idiot would say that length contraction could only be measurable >>>> if it were material. Are you an idiot? >>> >>> If it was not material it would exist only in fairyland. >> >> Bullshit. > > Yes what you said is bullshit. No, it's really been measured. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-08-27 09:11 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <npqiap$1smn$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390897 |
On 26/08/16 03:22, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/25/2016 11:56 AM, kenseto wrote: >>> In aether theories, which SR is NOT, length contraction is material >>> indeed. >>> >>> In SR, length contraction is not material. >> >> So what is contracting? > > The length of the rod. It is not a material contraction. > >>> >>>> It has never been measured and there is no aether. >>> >>> It HAS been measured in the real world, though maybe not in your fantasy >>> world. And there is no evidence of aether. >> >> Bullshit....no such measurement ever been made. > > Nonsense. It's documented in the literature. Aether SciFi literature.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-09-06 07:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <nqme55$12rn$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #391015 |
On 8/26/2016 6:11 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > On 26/08/16 03:22, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 8/25/2016 11:56 AM, kenseto wrote: > >>>> In aether theories, which SR is NOT, length contraction is material >>>> indeed. >>>> >>>> In SR, length contraction is not material. >>> >>> So what is contracting? >> >> The length of the rod. It is not a material contraction. >> >>>> >>>>> It has never been measured and there is no aether. >>>> >>>> It HAS been measured in the real world, though maybe not in your >>>> fantasy >>>> world. And there is no evidence of aether. >>> >>> Bullshit....no such measurement ever been made. >> >> Nonsense. It's documented in the literature. > > Aether SciFi literature. > True scientists do not dismiss confirmed data. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-08-24 07:10 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <npie41$vsa$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390639 |
On 23/08/16 22:11, Odd Bodkin wrote: > On 8/22/2016 5:20 PM, HGW. wrote: >> On 23/08/16 06:57, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>> On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >> > >> >>> and so it is physically impossible for the paired ends of the rods to >>> coincide at the same time. >> >> Sorry. it is impossible for them NOT to coincide at the same absolute >> instant. > > Sorry, but I disagree, based on experimental observation. You deciding > what is possible and what is impossible without reference to > experimental fact is faith at best, delusion at worst. There has never been anything like such an experimental observation. >> You are basing your argument on a theory which has been derived on a >> presumption that either an aether exists OR simultaneity is relative. >> Like all your arguments, you are relying on circular logic. > > No, I'm relying on experimental fact. There is none which supports your view. I know you don't want to look at > data, preferring instead to focus on arguments and circularity and logic > and which presumptions you want to choose. But that's not what science > is about. > >> >> Isn't that obvious? In this frame, there's >>> going to be a rod of length L that's stationary, and a rod of length >>> L/gamma that's passing it. How are the ends of those two rods going to >>> coincide at the same time? >> >> Gamma does not exist. Nothing exists that can affect the lengths of the >> rods. > > Experimental fact. ....which exists only in dingleberry dreams. > >
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-08-23 16:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <npif21$114c$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #390686 |
On 8/23/2016 4:10 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > On 23/08/16 22:11, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 8/22/2016 5:20 PM, HGW. wrote: >>> On 23/08/16 06:57, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 8/22/2016 3:44 PM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >>> >> >>> >>>> and so it is physically impossible for the paired ends of the rods to >>>> coincide at the same time. >>> >>> Sorry. it is impossible for them NOT to coincide at the same absolute >>> instant. >> >> Sorry, but I disagree, based on experimental observation. You deciding >> what is possible and what is impossible without reference to >> experimental fact is faith at best, delusion at worst. > > There has never been anything like such an experimental observation. You're wrong. Denial of historical and empirical facts only means that you are insisting on living in a fantasy world where things offensive to you are presumed nonexistence. I really don't care about your fantasy world. I care about the real world. > >>> You are basing your argument on a theory which has been derived on a >>> presumption that either an aether exists OR simultaneity is relative. >>> Like all your arguments, you are relying on circular logic. >> >> No, I'm relying on experimental fact. > > There is none which supports your view. > > I know you don't want to look at >> data, preferring instead to focus on arguments and circularity and logic >> and which presumptions you want to choose. But that's not what science >> is about. >> >>> >>> Isn't that obvious? In this frame, there's >>>> going to be a rod of length L that's stationary, and a rod of length >>>> L/gamma that's passing it. How are the ends of those two rods going to >>>> coincide at the same time? >>> >>> Gamma does not exist. Nothing exists that can affect the lengths of the >>> rods. >> >> Experimental fact. > > ....which exists only in dingleberry dreams. Simply not true. But go ahead and insist that Madagascar doesn't exist while you're at it. >> >> > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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