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How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get?

Started by"HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....>
First post2016-06-28 20:21 +1000
Last post2016-07-02 05:53 +1000
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  How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-28 20:21 +1000
    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-28 12:16 +0000
    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-28 22:27 +1000
      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-30 11:50 +1000
        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-30 21:38 +1000
          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-30 22:25 +1000
            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? HGW <hw@...> - 2016-07-01 14:07 +1000
              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-01 14:49 +1000
                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-30 23:44 -0700
                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-01 17:13 +1000
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-07-01 00:21 -0700
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-01 18:57 +1000
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-07-01 02:54 -0700
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 05:21 -0700
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 07:50 -0500
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-07-01 06:21 -0700
                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-02 05:26 +1000
                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-02 12:46 +1000
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-03 06:41 +1000
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-07-02 15:59 -0700
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-07-02 20:45 -0700
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-02 18:12 -0700
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-03 14:39 +1000
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-07-02 23:10 -0700
                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-03 17:17 +1000
                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-07-03 01:18 -0700
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-03 19:54 +1000
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-03 23:20 +1000
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 21:03 +1000
                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-04 21:29 +1000
                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-05 08:25 +1000
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-05 10:03 +1000
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-06 07:15 +1000
                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-06 11:46 +1000
                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-07 11:06 +1000
                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-04 05:47 -0700
                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-05 08:30 +1000
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-04 19:34 -0700
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-04 20:42 -0700
                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-06 07:22 +1000
                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 16:30 -0500
                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-07 05:27 +1000
                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 14:47 -0500
                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-07 07:20 +1000
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-04 15:09 +1000
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-03 23:28 +1000
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-07-03 07:50 -0700
                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 08:44 +1000
                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-07-03 17:07 -0700
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-07-04 08:10 -0700
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:34 -0500
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:32 -0500
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-05 08:47 +1000
                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-07-04 16:43 -0700
                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-06 07:28 +1000
                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 16:38 -0500
                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 14:56 -0700
                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "Dr. Bob John" <drbobjohn@hotmail.org> - 2016-07-05 21:59 +0000
                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 17:52 -0500
                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-07 05:44 +1000
                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 14:50 -0500
                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-07 07:18 +1000
                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 13:17 -0500
                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 22:27 -0700
                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-07-05 16:31 -0700
                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-07 05:46 +1000
                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? dancouriann@gmail.com - 2016-07-06 16:00 -0700
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 21:11 +1000
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:25 -0500
                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-05 08:49 +1000
                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 07:38 -0500
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-06 07:30 +1000
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 17:48 -0500
                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 18:09 -0500
                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-07 05:59 +1000
                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 15:09 -0500
                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-12 05:11 +1000
                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-03 23:50 +1000
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-04 18:43 +1000
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-04 19:27 +1000
                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 21:24 +1000
                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-04 21:32 +1000
                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 13:15 +0000
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-05 08:54 +1000
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-05 09:57 +1000
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-05 02:34 +0000
                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-07-05 18:55 +0200
                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-06 07:34 +1000
                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 17:50 -0500
                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-06 05:46 -0700
                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 08:26 -0500
                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-06 06:55 -0700
                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 09:22 -0500
                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-06 08:03 -0700
                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 10:49 -0500
                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-06 15:22 -0700
                                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 17:39 -0500
                                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-07 05:25 -0700
                                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 09:13 -0500
                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-06 15:05 +0000
                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-06 08:23 -0700
                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-06 15:41 +0000
                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 10:54 -0500
                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-07-06 17:40 +0200
                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-07 06:57 +1000
                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 16:10 -0500
                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-07 11:19 +1000
                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-08 12:49 +1000
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? HGW <hw@...> - 2016-07-04 16:21 +1000
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-04 15:11 +1000
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-03 22:38 +1000
    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? David Waite <waitedavid1618@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-28 07:05 -0700
    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-28 07:42 -0700
    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 09:17 -0700
      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-29 06:44 +1000
        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 16:38 -0500
          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-29 23:29 +1000
            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 09:25 -0500
              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-30 06:05 +1000
                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 15:27 -0500
                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-30 07:05 +1000
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 16:24 -0500
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-30 08:09 +1000
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 17:27 -0500
                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-30 20:45 +1000
                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 08:17 -0500
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? HGW <hw@...> - 2016-07-01 13:59 +1000
              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-06-30 05:24 -0700
                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 08:21 -0500
                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-06-30 06:39 -0700
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 09:16 -0500
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-06-30 14:33 -0700
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 17:31 -0500
                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-01 09:28 -0700
                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 13:38 -0500
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-01 14:24 -0700
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-03 05:01 -0700
                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:25 -0500
                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-04 10:48 -0700
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 13:03 -0500
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-04 13:30 -0700
                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 07:35 -0500
                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-05 06:38 -0700
                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 08:50 -0500
                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-05 11:18 -0700
                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 13:28 -0500
                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-06 06:03 -0700
                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 08:43 -0500
                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-06 08:17 -0700
                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-06 15:33 +0000
                                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-07 06:04 -0700
                                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 09:24 -0500
                                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-07 09:21 -0700
                                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 12:24 -0500
                                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-07 17:54 -0700
                                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 04:30 +0000
                                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-08 05:39 -0700
                                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 14:24 +0000
                                                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-08 15:08 -0700
                                                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-09 03:11 +0000
                                                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-09 05:28 -0700
                                                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 07:36 -0700
                                                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-10 03:53 +0000
                                                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-10 05:10 -0700
                                                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:24 -0500
                                                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:56 -0700
                                                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:47 -0500
                                                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 06:42 -0700
                                                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:22 -0500
                                                                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 13:04 -0700
                                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 07:38 -0500
                                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-08 05:48 -0700
                                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-08 06:27 -0700
                                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 08:59 -0500
                                                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 15:24 +0000
                                                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-08 14:58 -0700
                                                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:22 -0500
                                                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:48 -0700
                                                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:46 -0500
                                                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 06:39 -0700
                                                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:21 -0500
                                                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 13:01 -0700
                                                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-12 08:29 -0500
                                                                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-12 15:19 -0700
                                                                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:39 -0500
                                                                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-14 04:15 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:25 -0500
                                                                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-07-14 23:22 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-15 07:43 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 10:14 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-15 13:35 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 15:46 -0500
                                                                                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-15 21:46 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-16 07:06 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-16 09:19 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-17 02:48 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-16 05:05 -0700
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                                                                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 10:58 -0500
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                                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 12:07 -0500
                                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-08 05:22 -0700
                                                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 07:43 -0500
                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 10:53 -0500
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                                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 16:07 -0500
                                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-06 22:25 +0000
                                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 17:41 -0500
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                                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 09:20 -0500
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                                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 12:09 -0500
                                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 12:28 -0500
                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 11:05 -0500
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                                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 12:26 -0500
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                                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-08 07:46 -0500
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 11:05 -0500
                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-04 10:40 -0700
                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-04 13:02 -0500
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-04 13:23 -0700
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 07:33 -0500
        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 08:52 -0700
          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-30 06:00 +1000
            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 15:21 -0500
              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-30 07:07 +1000
                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 16:26 -0500
            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-30 04:16 +0000
              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-30 20:52 +1000
                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 08:19 -0500
                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? HGW <hw@...> - 2016-07-01 14:02 +1000
                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-03 20:14 +0000
                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 09:27 +1000
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 02:58 +0000
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 17:00 +0000
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-05 09:18 +1000
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 21:43 +1000
            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-06-30 11:00 -0700
              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-02 05:50 +1000
                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-07-01 16:58 -0700
                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? HGW <hw@...> - 2016-07-02 10:41 +1000
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 08:52 -0700
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-06 07:07 +1000
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 16:39 -0700
                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-07 05:07 +1000
                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-07-07 05:55 -0700
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-07-06 13:07 +0200
                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-07 05:24 +1000
                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-07-07 14:54 +0200
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? HGW <hw@....> - 2016-07-10 10:03 +1000
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-07-10 14:47 +0200
                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-12 05:06 +1000
                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-07-11 23:01 +0200
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? HGW <hw@....> - 2016-07-13 08:19 +1000
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-07-13 21:05 +0200
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                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 14:52 -0500
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-07 07:12 +1000
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-06 16:42 -0500
                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-08 15:35 +0000
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? HGW <hw@....> - 2016-07-10 10:08 +1000
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-10 13:22 +1000
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:27 -0500
                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? HGW <hw@....> - 2016-07-13 08:23 +1000
                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-13 16:26 +1000
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-07-12 23:55 -0700
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 06:50 -0700
                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-07-13 07:17 -0700
                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-13 11:27 -0700
                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 13:45 -0700
                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-07-13 23:30 +0200
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                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 08:42 -0500
                                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-14 04:22 -0700
                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 09:25 -0500
                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-15 13:39 -0700
                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGW." <hw@....> - 2016-07-16 08:38 +1000
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                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 12:47 -0500
                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 13:02 -0500
                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-16 11:46 -0700
                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 16:39 -0500
                                                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-17 05:51 -0700
                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-17 07:06 -0700
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                                                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-17 09:41 -0700
                                                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-17 12:45 -0700
                                                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-17 18:07 -0700
                                                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-18 04:47 -0700
                                                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-18 06:54 -0500
                                                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-17 15:34 -0500
                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-03 15:02 +0000
                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-03 11:42 -0500
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-04 06:10 -0700
                  Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 09:23 +1000
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-03 19:12 -0700
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 16:37 +0000
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 21:26 +1000
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-04 04:38 -0700
                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-05 09:05 +1000
                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-05 04:41 -0700
                              Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-06 20:07 +1000
                                Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-06 05:07 -0700
                    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 02:46 +0000
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-04 16:51 +0000
                      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-04 21:36 +1000
                        Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-04 04:49 -0700
                          Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-05 09:01 +1000
                            Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-05 07:40 -0500
    Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-07-01 08:41 +0200
      Re: How Stupid Can a Dingleberry Get? "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-07-02 05:53 +1000

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#387574

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-11 09:21 -0500
Message-ID<nm0a11$1usc$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#387571
On 7/11/2016 8:39 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 8:46:34 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/11/2016 6:48 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 9:22:29 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 7/8/2016 4:58 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 9:59:44 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/8/2016 7:48 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 8:38:58 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2016 7:54 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 1:24:28 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2016 11:21 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 10:24:42 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2016 8:04 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No idiot....you arbitrarily assigning different values for the two different directions to get different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transit times. That's not physics.....that's assertion. In any case you don't even know what the "x" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the term (vx/c^2) in the LT equation means....I'll  give you a hint: it's not the length of the rod.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right! The x in the LT is the POSITION of an event.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> x is the distance of the object (the rod) from the origin of the observer's coordinate system.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is incorrect.
>>>>>>>>>> If you actually READ something about the Lorentz transforms, you will
>>>>>>>>>> learn from those readings that x is not distance but POSITION or COORDINATE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Idiot the position or coordinate is the value of the distance from the origin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you were wrong saying that x is not a distance....Right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agreed that position is a distance from an origin.
>>>>>> x is not distance TRAVELED.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't say that x is distance travelled. I said that distance is the distance of object from the origin.
>>>>
>>>> And when the origin is at the LEFT end of the rod, you said the
>>>> x-position of someone standing at the RIGHT end of a 5m long rod was x=0.
>>>
>>> Idiot....if you want to use the coordinate system you need to make sure that both directions are started
>>> from the origin.
>>
>> No, you don't.
>> Good grief, Ken. First you don't know fifth grade math.
>> Then you make up things like this.
>>
>>> For example: left to right x=+5 meters and right to left x=-5 meters.
>>
>> Again, you confused POSITION with DISPLACEMENT. x is a POSITION, not a
>> DISPLACEMENT. If you don't know the difference, you could always look at
>> a high school physics text to learn that difference.
>
> No idiot....what I said is not displacement, x is a position from the origin.

Ken, Ken, Ken.
There is a rod that is 5m long. The left end of the rod is placed at the 
origin.

Here are some simple questions for you.
In this coordinate system,
1. What portion of the rod is at x=0m?
2. What portion of the rod is at x=5m?
3. What portion of the rod is at x=-5m?

>
>
>>
>>> Now substitute these
>>> x values into the LT you will get the same transit time for both directions. It appears that you are the
>>> one who don't know how the coordinate system in the LT works. Gee you are stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


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#387615

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-07-11 13:01 -0700
Message-ID<b0b02e76-e78a-4c0a-8bec-70d4cb68b403@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#387574
On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 10:21:25 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/11/2016 8:39 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 8:46:34 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 7/11/2016 6:48 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 9:22:29 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> On 7/8/2016 4:58 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 9:59:44 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> On 7/8/2016 7:48 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 8:38:58 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 7/7/2016 7:54 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 1:24:28 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2016 11:21 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 10:24:42 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2016 8:04 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No idiot....you arbitrarily assigning different values for the two different directions to get different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> transit times. That's not physics.....that's assertion. In any case you don't even know what the "x" in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the term (vx/c^2) in the LT equation means....I'll  give you a hint: it's not the length of the rod.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Right! The x in the LT is the POSITION of an event.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> x is the distance of the object (the rod) from the origin of the observer's coordinate system.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> That is incorrect.
> >>>>>>>>>> If you actually READ something about the Lorentz transforms, you will
> >>>>>>>>>> learn from those readings that x is not distance but POSITION or COORDINATE.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Idiot the position or coordinate is the value of the distance from the origin.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That's right.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So you were wrong saying that x is not a distance....Right?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I agreed that position is a distance from an origin.
> >>>>>> x is not distance TRAVELED.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I didn't say that x is distance travelled. I said that distance is the distance of object from the origin.
> >>>>
> >>>> And when the origin is at the LEFT end of the rod, you said the
> >>>> x-position of someone standing at the RIGHT end of a 5m long rod was x=0.
> >>>
> >>> Idiot....if you want to use the coordinate system you need to make sure that both directions are started
> >>> from the origin.
> >>
> >> No, you don't.
> >> Good grief, Ken. First you don't know fifth grade math.
> >> Then you make up things like this.
> >>
> >>> For example: left to right x=+5 meters and right to left x=-5 meters.
> >>
> >> Again, you confused POSITION with DISPLACEMENT. x is a POSITION, not a
> >> DISPLACEMENT. If you don't know the difference, you could always look at
> >> a high school physics text to learn that difference.
> >
> > No idiot....what I said is not displacement, x is a position from the origin.
> 
> Ken, Ken, Ken.
> There is a rod that is 5m long. The left end of the rod is placed at the 
> origin.
> 
> Here are some simple questions for you.
> In this coordinate system,
> 1. What portion of the rod is at x=0m?

The left end is at the origin.....so x=0

> 2. What portion of the rod is at x=5m?

The right end is 5m left to right from the origin so it is at x=+5m

> 3. What portion of the rod is at x=-5m?

The right end is right to left to the origin so its coordinate is x=-5m
> 
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> Now substitute these
> >>> x values into the LT you will get the same transit time for both directions. It appears that you are the
> >>> one who don't know how the coordinate system in the LT works. Gee you are stupid.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> 
> -- 
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#387640

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-12 08:29 -0500
Message-ID<nm2rc5$1mkk$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#387615
On 7/11/2016 3:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
>> 2. What portion of the rod is at x=5m?
> The right end is 5m left to right from the origin so it is at x=+5m
>
>> > 3. What portion of the rod is at x=-5m?
> The right end is right to left to the origin so its coordinate is x=-5m

LOL.

Ken, you have the weirdest brain.

I can't believe you think this makes sense.

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#387663

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-07-12 15:19 -0700
Message-ID<846584ca-69f0-4cf0-829f-9f717129b468@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#387640
On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 9:29:44 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/11/2016 3:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >> 2. What portion of the rod is at x=5m?
> > The right end is 5m left to right from the origin so it is at x=+5m
> >
> >> > 3. What portion of the rod is at x=-5m?
> > The right end is right to left to the origin so its coordinate is x=-5m
> 
> LOL.
> 
> Ken, you have the weirdest brain.
> 
> I can't believe you think this makes sense.

What does not make sense is your claim that different transit times for light rays in the opposite directions and at the same time claiming that the speed of light is isotropic in all frames of reference.
Also it seems that you have no clue how to apply the correct signs to the coordinates of different directions.

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#387685

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-13 08:39 -0500
Message-ID<nm5gal$1jm4$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#387663
On 7/12/2016 5:19 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 9:29:44 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/11/2016 3:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>> 2. What portion of the rod is at x=5m?
>>> The right end is 5m left to right from the origin so it is at x=+5m
>>>
>>>>> 3. What portion of the rod is at x=-5m?
>>> The right end is right to left to the origin so its coordinate is x=-5m
>>
>> LOL.
>>
>> Ken, you have the weirdest brain.
>>
>> I can't believe you think this makes sense.
>
> What does not make sense is your claim that different transit times for light rays
> in the opposite directions and at the same time claiming that the speed of light is
> isotropic in all frames of reference.

I've shown you the correct Lorentz transforms. I've also shown you the 
correct quantities to substitute into the variables of those transforms 
and even told you what the variables mean, because you didn't know 
before. I also told you the steps to take to calculate the transit times 
for light going in both directions. You are unable to do the simple 
algebra to follow those steps. If you were able to follow those steps 
you would see that the transit times are different. It doesn't MATTER 
that this result makes no sense to you.

> Also it seems that you have no clue how to apply the correct signs to the coordinates
> of different directions.

LOL, Ken.




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#387740

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-07-14 04:15 -0700
Message-ID<eaec7e02-4b9c-4fac-ab39-96022fb0b060@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#387685
On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 9:39:36 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/12/2016 5:19 PM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 9:29:44 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 7/11/2016 3:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>> 2. What portion of the rod is at x=5m?
> >>> The right end is 5m left to right from the origin so it is at x=+5m
> >>>
> >>>>> 3. What portion of the rod is at x=-5m?
> >>> The right end is right to left to the origin so its coordinate is x=-5m
> >>
> >> LOL.
> >>
> >> Ken, you have the weirdest brain.
> >>
> >> I can't believe you think this makes sense.
> >
> > What does not make sense is your claim that different transit times for light rays
> > in the opposite directions and at the same time claiming that the speed of light is
> > isotropic in all frames of reference.
> 
> I've shown you the correct Lorentz transforms. I've also shown you the 
> correct quantities to substitute into the variables of those transforms 
> and even told you what the variables mean, because you didn't know 
> before. I also told you the steps to take to calculate the transit times 
> for light going in both directions. You are unable to do the simple 
> algebra to follow those steps. If you were able to follow those steps 
> you would see that the transit times are different. It doesn't MATTER 
> that this result makes no sense to you.value for the 

The problem is that you assigned the wrong values and signs for the coordinates going from right to left and left to right. That's why you get different transit times. 
If you assign the correct values and signs for the coordinates going at different directions, you will get the same transit time for both directions.


> 
> > Also it seems that you have no clue how to apply the correct signs to the coordinates
> > of different directions.
> 
> LOL, Ken.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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#387754

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-14 09:25 -0500
Message-ID<nm87c2$1d4s$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#387740
On 7/14/2016 6:15 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 9:39:36 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/12/2016 5:19 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 9:29:44 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 7/11/2016 3:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>> 2. What portion of the rod is at x=5m?
>>>>> The right end is 5m left to right from the origin so it is at x=+5m
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. What portion of the rod is at x=-5m?
>>>>> The right end is right to left to the origin so its coordinate is x=-5m
>>>>
>>>> LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Ken, you have the weirdest brain.
>>>>
>>>> I can't believe you think this makes sense.
>>>
>>> What does not make sense is your claim that different transit times for light rays
>>> in the opposite directions and at the same time claiming that the speed of light is
>>> isotropic in all frames of reference.
>>
>> I've shown you the correct Lorentz transforms. I've also shown you the
>> correct quantities to substitute into the variables of those transforms
>> and even told you what the variables mean, because you didn't know
>> before. I also told you the steps to take to calculate the transit times
>> for light going in both directions. You are unable to do the simple
>> algebra to follow those steps. If you were able to follow those steps
>> you would see that the transit times are different. It doesn't MATTER
>> that this result makes no sense to you.value for the
>
> The problem is that you assigned the wrong values and signs for the coordinates going from
> right to left and left to right. That's why you get different transit times.

I really don't think so. The coordinates I gave are correct. Ask six 
people to see if they agree with me or with you. How many people would 
it take agreeing with me and disagreeing with you would it take before 
you would consider the possibility that you have made a mistake?

> If you assign the correct values and signs for the coordinates going at different directions,
> you will get the same transit time for both directions.

I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do 
the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and 
see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.

>
>
>>
>>> Also it seems that you have no clue how to apply the correct signs to the coordinates
>>> of different directions.
>>
>> LOL, Ken.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables


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#387799

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2016-07-14 23:22 -0700
Message-ID<e6f5109e-fe3c-4848-b607-099a5dc4a028@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#387754
W dniu czwartek, 14 lipca 2016 16:25:09 UTC+2 użytkownik Odd Bodkin napisał:

> > The problem is that you assigned the wrong values and signs for the coordinates going from
> > right to left and left to right. That's why you get different transit times.
> 
> I really don't think so.

You're a poor idiot.

> The coordinates I gave are correct. Ask six 
> people to see if they agree with me or with you. How many people would 
> it take agreeing with me and disagreeing with you would it take before 
> you would consider the possibility that you have made a mistake?

Ask 6 people.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/second
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
?
How many people would it take agreeing with me and 
disagreeing with you would it take before 
you would consider the possibility that you have 
made a mistake?

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#387819

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-07-15 07:43 -0700
Message-ID<06e0af09-bacc-4b8d-a4d3-0316002c7a8a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#387754
On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 10:25:09 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/14/2016 6:15 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 9:39:36 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 7/12/2016 5:19 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 9:29:44 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> On 7/11/2016 3:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>> 2. What portion of the rod is at x=5m?
> >>>>> The right end is 5m left to right from the origin so it is at x=+5m
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 3. What portion of the rod is at x=-5m?
> >>>>> The right end is right to left to the origin so its coordinate is x=-5m
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ken, you have the weirdest brain.
> >>>>
> >>>> I can't believe you think this makes sense.
> >>>
> >>> What does not make sense is your claim that different transit times for light rays
> >>> in the opposite directions and at the same time claiming that the speed of light is
> >>> isotropic in all frames of reference.
> >>
> >> I've shown you the correct Lorentz transforms. I've also shown you the
> >> correct quantities to substitute into the variables of those transforms
> >> and even told you what the variables mean, because you didn't know
> >> before. I also told you the steps to take to calculate the transit times
> >> for light going in both directions. You are unable to do the simple
> >> algebra to follow those steps. If you were able to follow those steps
> >> you would see that the transit times are different. It doesn't MATTER
> >> that this result makes no sense to you.value for the
> >
> > The problem is that you assigned the wrong values and signs for the coordinates going from
> > right to left and left to right. That's why you get different transit times.
> 
> I really don't think so. The coordinates I gave are correct. 

No you didn't.....you ignored the different signs for the different directions.

Ask six 
> people to see if they agree with me or with you. How many people would 
> it take agreeing with me and disagreeing with you would it take before 
> you would consider the possibility that you have made a mistake?
> 
> > If you assign the correct values and signs for the coordinates going at different directions,
> > you will get the same transit time for both directions.
> 
> I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do 
> the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and 
> see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.

If you put a minus sign in front of the 5 meters for light going from right to left and put this into the LT you will get the same answer....the resulting answer with the minus sign shows the direction of the light ray.

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#387823

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-15 10:14 -0500
Message-ID<nmaujv$1e49$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#387819
On 7/15/2016 9:43 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 10:25:09 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/14/2016 6:15 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 9:39:36 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 7/12/2016 5:19 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 9:29:44 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/11/2016 3:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>> 2. What portion of the rod is at x=5m?
>>>>>>> The right end is 5m left to right from the origin so it is at x=+5m
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. What portion of the rod is at x=-5m?
>>>>>>> The right end is right to left to the origin so its coordinate is x=-5m
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken, you have the weirdest brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't believe you think this makes sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does not make sense is your claim that different transit times for light rays
>>>>> in the opposite directions and at the same time claiming that the speed of light is
>>>>> isotropic in all frames of reference.
>>>>
>>>> I've shown you the correct Lorentz transforms. I've also shown you the
>>>> correct quantities to substitute into the variables of those transforms
>>>> and even told you what the variables mean, because you didn't know
>>>> before. I also told you the steps to take to calculate the transit times
>>>> for light going in both directions. You are unable to do the simple
>>>> algebra to follow those steps. If you were able to follow those steps
>>>> you would see that the transit times are different. It doesn't MATTER
>>>> that this result makes no sense to you.value for the
>>>
>>> The problem is that you assigned the wrong values and signs for the coordinates going from
>>> right to left and left to right. That's why you get different transit times.
>>
>> I really don't think so. The coordinates I gave are correct.
>
> No you didn't.....you ignored the different signs for the different directions.
>
> Ask six
>> people to see if they agree with me or with you. How many people would
>> it take agreeing with me and disagreeing with you would it take before
>> you would consider the possibility that you have made a mistake?
>>
>>> If you assign the correct values and signs for the coordinates going at different directions,
>>> you will get the same transit time for both directions.
>>
>> I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do
>> the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and
>> see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.
>
> If you put a minus sign in front of the 5 meters for light going from right to left
> and put this into the LT you will get the same answer.

No you won't. Prove it by doing the algebra. You'll see.

>...the resulting answer with the minus sign shows the direction of the light ray.
>


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#387838

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-07-15 13:35 -0700
Message-ID<62e6c3bd-8786-4a04-ac0c-f7842943b2a4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#387823
On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 11:14:11 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/15/2016 9:43 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 10:25:09 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 7/14/2016 6:15 AM, kenseto wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 9:39:36 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>> On 7/12/2016 5:19 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 9:29:44 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>> On 7/11/2016 3:01 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 2. What portion of the rod is at x=5m?
> >>>>>>> The right end is 5m left to right from the origin so it is at x=+5m
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 3. What portion of the rod is at x=-5m?
> >>>>>>> The right end is right to left to the origin so its coordinate is x=-5m
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> LOL.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ken, you have the weirdest brain.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I can't believe you think this makes sense.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What does not make sense is your claim that different transit times for light rays
> >>>>> in the opposite directions and at the same time claiming that the speed of light is
> >>>>> isotropic in all frames of reference.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've shown you the correct Lorentz transforms. I've also shown you the
> >>>> correct quantities to substitute into the variables of those transforms
> >>>> and even told you what the variables mean, because you didn't know
> >>>> before. I also told you the steps to take to calculate the transit times
> >>>> for light going in both directions. You are unable to do the simple
> >>>> algebra to follow those steps. If you were able to follow those steps
> >>>> you would see that the transit times are different. It doesn't MATTER
> >>>> that this result makes no sense to you.value for the
> >>>
> >>> The problem is that you assigned the wrong values and signs for the coordinates going from
> >>> right to left and left to right. That's why you get different transit times.
> >>
> >> I really don't think so. The coordinates I gave are correct.
> >
> > No you didn't.....you ignored the different signs for the different directions.
> >
> > Ask six
> >> people to see if they agree with me or with you. How many people would
> >> it take agreeing with me and disagreeing with you would it take before
> >> you would consider the possibility that you have made a mistake?
> >>
> >>> If you assign the correct values and signs for the coordinates going at different directions,
> >>> you will get the same transit time for both directions.
> >>
> >> I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do
> >> the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and
> >> see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.
> >
> > If you put a minus sign in front of the 5 meters for light going from right to left
> > and put this into the LT you will get the same answer.
> 
> No you won't. Prove it by doing the algebra. You'll see.

Yes you will.....do the algebra, a 5th grader can do it.

> 
> >...the resulting answer with the minus sign shows the direction of the light ray.
> >
> 
> 
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#387842

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-15 15:46 -0500
Message-ID<nmbi3r$d9q$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#387838
On 7/15/2016 3:35 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>> > >> I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do
>>>> > >> the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and
>>>> > >> see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.
>>> > >
>>> > > If you put a minus sign in front of the 5 meters for light going from right to left
>>> > > and put this into the LT you will get the same answer.
>> >
>> > No you won't. Prove it by doing the algebra. You'll see.
> Yes you will.....do the algebra, a 5th grader can do it.
>

Assertion is not an argument. Prove your assertion that you get the same 
answer by doing the math. Otherwise, it's just an empty assertion.

(Calling your bluff. You know you can't do it. I know you can't do it. 
Everyone knows you can't do it.)

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#387848

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-07-15 21:46 +0000
Message-ID<nmblk6$ba0$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#387842
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:

>On 7/15/2016 3:35 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> > >> I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do
>>>>> > >> the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and
>>>>> > >> see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > If you put a minus sign in front of the 5 meters for light going from right to left
>>>> > > and put this into the LT you will get the same answer.
>>> >
>>> > No you won't. Prove it by doing the algebra. You'll see.
>> Yes you will.....do the algebra, a 5th grader can do it.
>>

>Assertion is not an argument. Prove your assertion that you get the same 
>answer by doing the math. Otherwise, it's just an empty assertion.

>(Calling your bluff. You know you can't do it. I know you can't do it. 
>Everyone knows you can't do it.)

Nope, he can't do it.  We know that because h can't even do (-6)/(-2).

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#387868

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-07-16 07:06 -0700
Message-ID<14e432a4-4baa-4d99-97c7-6ad85c5ed37d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#387848
On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
> Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> >On 7/15/2016 3:35 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>> > >> I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do
> >>>>> > >> the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and
> >>>>> > >> see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > If you put a minus sign in front of the 5 meters for light going from right to left
> >>>> > > and put this into the LT you will get the same answer.
> >>> >
> >>> > No you won't. Prove it by doing the algebra. You'll see.
> >> Yes you will.....do the algebra, a 5th grader can do it.
> >>
> 
> >Assertion is not an argument. Prove your assertion that you get the same 
> >answer by doing the math. Otherwise, it's just an empty assertion.
> 
> >(Calling your bluff. You know you can't do it. I know you can't do it. 
> >Everyone knows you can't do it.)
> 
> Nope, he can't do it.  We know that because h can't even do (-6)/(-2).

We know that you are a moron.

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#387875

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2016-07-16 09:19 -0700
Message-ID<7ea79c9e-7a93-40a1-bde6-1e62d3686b2e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#387868
On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-6, kenseto wrote:
>
> We know that you are a moron.

Is that a royal "we" or does Ken have a mouse in his pocket?

For sure we know that Ken is a moron, and anyone with a brain knows that.

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#387904

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2016-07-17 02:48 +0000
Message-ID<nmerm0$q79$2@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#387868
kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 5:47:36 PM UTC-4, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>> >On 7/15/2016 3:35 PM, kenseto wrote:

>> >>> > No you won't. Prove it by doing the algebra. You'll see.
>> >> Yes you will.....do the algebra, a 5th grader can do it.
>> 
>> >Assertion is not an argument. Prove your assertion that you get the same 
>> >answer by doing the math. Otherwise, it's just an empty assertion.
>> 
>> >(Calling your bluff. You know you can't do it. I know you can't do it. 
>> >Everyone knows you can't do it.)
>> 
>> Nope, he can't do it.  We know that because h can't even do (-6)/(-2).

>We know that you are a moron.

"We" Ken? You are just one person with that opinion.

And of course, you proved Odd's and my predictions.  You did not do
the 5th grade algebra that Odd knew you could not do.  And of course,
you did not solve (-6)/(-2) which I knew you could not do.

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#387863

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-07-16 05:05 -0700
Message-ID<88baffa5-e205-437c-a0b1-252bc8d9bb98@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#387842
On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 4:46:55 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/15/2016 3:35 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>> > >> I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do
> >>>> > >> the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and
> >>>> > >> see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > If you put a minus sign in front of the 5 meters for light going from right to left
> >>> > > and put this into the LT you will get the same answer.
> >> >
> >> > No you won't. Prove it by doing the algebra. You'll see.
> > Yes you will.....do the algebra, a 5th grader can do it.
> >
> 
> Assertion is not an argument. Prove your assertion that you get the same 
> answer by doing the math. Otherwise, it's just an empty assertion.
> 
> (Calling your bluff. You know you can't do it. I know you can't do it. 
> Everyone knows you can't do it.)

I'll give  you the following correct equations for each direction. That's more than you ever gave me when you ask me to do a problem.....most of the time you asked me to go and read a book.
Transit time left to right:
Delta(T')=gamma((Delta(5/c)-v*5/c^2))
Transit time right to left:
Delta(T')=gamma((Delta(-5/c)-v(-5)/c^2))

Now a 5th grader can see that both directions gave the same answer for transit time....can you see that??

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#387880

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-16 12:52 -0500
Message-ID<nmds8t$17te$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#387863
On 7/16/2016 7:05 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 4:46:55 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/15/2016 3:35 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do
>>>>>>>>> the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and
>>>>>>>>> see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you put a minus sign in front of the 5 meters for light going from right to left
>>>>>>> and put this into the LT you will get the same answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you won't. Prove it by doing the algebra. You'll see.
>>> Yes you will.....do the algebra, a 5th grader can do it.
>>>
>>
>> Assertion is not an argument. Prove your assertion that you get the same
>> answer by doing the math. Otherwise, it's just an empty assertion.
>>
>> (Calling your bluff. You know you can't do it. I know you can't do it.
>> Everyone knows you can't do it.)
>
> I'll give  you the following correct equations for each direction. That's more
> than you ever gave me when you ask me to do a problem.....most of the time you
> asked me to go and read a book.

Those are not the right equations. I gave you the right equations. You 
can substitute the quantities you want into those correct equations.

> Transit time left to right:
> Delta(T')=gamma((Delta(5/c)-v*5/c^2))
> Transit time right to left:
> Delta(T')=gamma((Delta(-5/c)-v(-5)/c^2))
>
> Now a 5th grader can see that both directions gave the same answer for transit time....can you see that??

Those do NOT give the same answer.

First of all, how much (in seconds) is Delta(5/c)? I know how to find 
(5m/c), but how much is Delta(5/c)?

Secondly do you believe that Delta(5/c) = Delta(-5/c)?


>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#387887

Fromkenseto <setoken@att.net>
Date2016-07-16 11:55 -0700
Message-ID<c0d01224-d263-4610-970c-0b6610bc0647@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#387880
On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 1:52:32 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 7/16/2016 7:05 AM, kenseto wrote:
> > On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 4:46:55 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >> On 7/15/2016 3:35 PM, kenseto wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do
> >>>>>>>>> the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and
> >>>>>>>>> see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you put a minus sign in front of the 5 meters for light going from right to left
> >>>>>>> and put this into the LT you will get the same answer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No you won't. Prove it by doing the algebra. You'll see.
> >>> Yes you will.....do the algebra, a 5th grader can do it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Assertion is not an argument. Prove your assertion that you get the same
> >> answer by doing the math. Otherwise, it's just an empty assertion.
> >>
> >> (Calling your bluff. You know you can't do it. I know you can't do it.
> >> Everyone knows you can't do it.)
> >
> > I'll give  you the following correct equations for each direction. That's more
> > than you ever gave me when you ask me to do a problem.....most of the time you
> > asked me to go and read a book.
> 
> Those are not the right equations. I gave you the right equations. You 
> can substitute the quantities you want into those correct equations.
> 
> > Transit time left to right:
> > Delta(T')=gamma((Delta(5/c)-v*5/c^2))
> > Transit time right to left:
> > Delta(T')=gamma((Delta(-5/c)-v(-5)/c^2))
> >
> > Now a 5th grader can see that both directions gave the same answer for transit time....can you see that??
> 
> Those do NOT give the same answer.
> 
> First of all, how much (in seconds) is Delta(5/c)? I know how to find 
> (5m/c), but how much is Delta(5/c)?

It is understood that we were talking about 5m.
> 
> Secondly do you believe that Delta(5/c) = Delta(-5/c)?

Yes equal but in the opposite directions.

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#387898

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2016-07-16 16:45 -0500
Message-ID<nme9u9$1qos$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#387887
On 7/16/2016 1:55 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 1:52:32 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 7/16/2016 7:05 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 4:46:55 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 7/15/2016 3:35 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I really don't think so, even using YOUR choices. But feel free to do
>>>>>>>>>>> the substitutions you think should go it and then follow the steps and
>>>>>>>>>>> see what you get. You're not going to get the same transit times.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you put a minus sign in front of the 5 meters for light going from right to left
>>>>>>>>> and put this into the LT you will get the same answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No you won't. Prove it by doing the algebra. You'll see.
>>>>> Yes you will.....do the algebra, a 5th grader can do it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Assertion is not an argument. Prove your assertion that you get the same
>>>> answer by doing the math. Otherwise, it's just an empty assertion.
>>>>
>>>> (Calling your bluff. You know you can't do it. I know you can't do it.
>>>> Everyone knows you can't do it.)
>>>
>>> I'll give  you the following correct equations for each direction. That's more
>>> than you ever gave me when you ask me to do a problem.....most of the time you
>>> asked me to go and read a book.
>>
>> Those are not the right equations. I gave you the right equations. You
>> can substitute the quantities you want into those correct equations.
>>
>>> Transit time left to right:
>>> Delta(T')=gamma((Delta(5/c)-v*5/c^2))
>>> Transit time right to left:
>>> Delta(T')=gamma((Delta(-5/c)-v(-5)/c^2))
>>>
>>> Now a 5th grader can see that both directions gave the same answer for transit time....can you see that??
>>
>> Those do NOT give the same answer.
>>
>> First of all, how much (in seconds) is Delta(5/c)? I know how to find
>> (5m/c), but how much is Delta(5/c)?
>
> It is understood that we were talking about 5m.

OK, so 5 m/c = (5 m)/(3E8 m/s) = 1.7E-8 s.
So what's Delta(5m/c)?

>>
>> Secondly do you believe that Delta(5/c) = Delta(-5/c)?
>
> Yes equal but in the opposite directions.
>

-5m/c is -1.7E-8s. That's a NEGATIVE time of traversal, which means that 
it arrived before it was emitted.
Are you claiming that a NEGATIVE time of traversal means a positive time 
of traversal from right to left?
So you're saying that if I want to go from St. Louis to Kansas City 
(right to left on the map), it should take me NEGATIVE 3.5 hours to drive?


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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