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| Started by | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| First post | 2015-10-30 23:40 +0100 |
| Last post | 2015-11-12 11:32 -0600 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 146 — 24 participants |
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Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-30 23:40 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 16:15 -0700
Re: Twins and the universe John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 18:49 -0700
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-31 09:02 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-10-30 22:03 -0500
Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-30 21:30 -0700
Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-30 21:39 -0700
Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 20:00 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 00:03 -0700
Re: Twins and the universe crisd <crisdunbar@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 14:08 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 23:01 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-31 09:11 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-02 13:28 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 21:32 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 10:19 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-04 01:41 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-04 02:09 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 21:51 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 22:27 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-04 09:24 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 07:48 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-04 06:43 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-05 04:19 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 10:47 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-05 21:00 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-06 05:46 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 20:54 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 07:54 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 19:28 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 22:10 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-03 01:22 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-10-31 10:04 -0500
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-01 09:36 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-03 10:14 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-03 19:45 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-07 08:52 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-07 17:02 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-09 08:13 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 10:25 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Open Collector <openc@opencollector.org> - 2015-11-09 19:00 +0000
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-09 11:55 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 15:51 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Open Collector <openc@opencollector.org> - 2015-11-09 18:59 +0000
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-01 06:25 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-01 06:49 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Wayne Olmstead <wayols@eclipseevenet.org> - 2015-11-01 14:55 +0000
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 09:32 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-03 01:15 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-07 07:59 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 09:23 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-09 08:23 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 10:27 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-09 12:22 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 15:58 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-10 06:07 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:32 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-10 06:54 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 13:44 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-11 06:19 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 09:12 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-11 12:47 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 15:02 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-14 06:52 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Ty Knotts <TyKnotts@hotmail.org> - 2015-11-14 16:14 +0000
Re: Twins and the universe kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-11-07 07:49 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-10-30 21:58 -0700
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-31 05:58 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-31 09:14 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-10-31 10:14 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-10-31 11:14 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-01 05:16 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-01 09:11 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-11-01 07:13 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-01 23:03 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-03 05:42 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-03 01:31 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-04 01:34 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-03 23:51 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-05 00:30 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-05 10:16 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 18:17 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-07 16:41 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 18:35 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-07 16:42 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe alsor@interia.pl - 2015-11-05 11:43 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-06 18:14 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 20:21 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-03 20:30 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 18:00 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-07 03:07 +0000
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-07 05:35 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-07 06:28 +0000
Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-07 09:02 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Edgardo Alcantara <edgardoalcantara@carosseryrepair.org> - 2015-11-07 15:09 +0000
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-07 17:05 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-08 07:52 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 04:38 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 13:58 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 05:38 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 15:24 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 06:36 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 07:13 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 16:18 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 07:32 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 16:48 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 16:15 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-08 14:22 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 13:41 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-08 23:18 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-08 19:05 +0000
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-08 20:51 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-08 13:55 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-08 14:00 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-08 14:13 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-09 05:58 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-10 04:31 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:34 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-09 20:45 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-10 21:23 +0000
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 15:42 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 03:01 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 20:06 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 06:21 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-11 01:08 -0500
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 04:00 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 07:32 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 16:51 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 10:27 -0600
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-11 22:48 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-11 18:11 -0500
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-12 06:22 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 01:23 -0500
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 04:13 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-12 21:30 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-12 16:25 -0500
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 14:35 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Ted Striker <tedstrickdr@mailaccount.org> - 2015-11-12 22:47 +0000
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-13 05:25 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 20:49 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-14 05:02 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-14 10:11 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-14 11:10 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-14 12:11 +0100
Re: Twins and the universe Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-14 04:54 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-11 16:18 -0800
Re: Twins and the universe Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:32 -0600
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 06:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9742f25c-010d-4026-a9d5-8c5b96150a8a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #369374 |
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 7:24:17 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote: > > Użytkownik "Gary Harnagel" napisał w wiadomości grup > dyskusyjnych:00c849db-715d-4d2b-b2a4-5e6cc982e315@googlegroups.com... > > > |Why does this moron keep posting lies? Because he is basically dishonest > |and craves attention in an infantile manner. > > Why does this moron keep posting lies? Because he is basically dishonest > and craves attention in an infantile manner. And, last but not least, he is > stupid. Wozniak's post just proved that he is an infantile brattish troll. Of course, he does that EVERYTIME he posts.
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| From | paparios <paparios@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 07:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bdd6af4f-6fe4-4a84-a0c9-7b762ad5348d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #369375 |
El domingo, 8 de noviembre de 2015, 11:36:28 (UTC-3), Gary Harnagel escribió: > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 7:24:17 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote: > > > > Użytkownik "Gary Harnagel" napisał w wiadomości grup > > dyskusyjnych:00c849db-715d-4d2b-b2a4-5e6cc982e315@googlegroups.com... > > > > > > |Why does this moron keep posting lies? Because he is basically dishonest > > |and craves attention in an infantile manner. > > > > Why does this moron keep posting lies? Because he is basically dishonest > > and craves attention in an infantile manner. And, last but not least, he is > > stupid. > > Wozniak's post just proved that he is an infantile brattish troll. Of > course, he does that EVERYTIME he posts. He was just a software developer at Info Baza Technology, and now works at Happy Team Sp, with too litle work to do and a total ignorance of physics subjects. It also appears the he is also a not nice person in his subject, as seen in https://twitter.com/eldhash Just ignore him
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 16:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n1np3o$r5m$1@node1.news.atman.pl> |
| In reply to | #369377 |
Użytkownik "paparios" napisał w wiadomości grup dyskusyjnych:bdd6af4f-6fe4-4a84-a0c9-7b762ad5348d@googlegroups.com... |He was just a software developer at Info Baza Technology, and now works at Happy Team Sp, with too litle work to do and a total ignorance of physics subjects. |It also appears the he is also a not nice person in his subject, as seen in https://twitter.com/eldhash A miss. As usual. It's a popular name in Poland.
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 07:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8b16c101-b2cc-4b42-ac15-bb20e7eff50d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #369377 |
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 8:13:53 AM UTC-7, paparios wrote: > > El domingo, 8 de noviembre de 2015, 11:36:28 (UTC-3), Gary Harnagel escribió: > > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 7:24:17 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote: > > > > > > Użytkownik "Gary Harnagel" napisał w wiadomości grup > > > dyskusyjnych:00c849db-715d-4d2b-b2a4-5e6cc982e315@googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > |Why does this moron keep posting lies? Because he is basically dishonest > > > |and craves attention in an infantile manner. > > > > > > Why does this moron keep posting lies? Because he is basically dishonest > > > and craves attention in an infantile manner. And, last but not least, he is > > > stupid. > > > > Wozniak's post just proved that he is an infantile brattish troll. Of > > course, he does that EVERYTIME he posts. > > He was just a software developer at Info Baza Technology, and now works > at Happy Team Sp, with too litle work to do and a total ignorance of > physics subjects. > > It also appears the he is also a not nice person in his subject, as seen > in https://twitter.com/eldhash > > Just ignore him He looks like a bird brain :-)
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 16:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n1nqrm$su6$1@node1.news.atman.pl> |
| In reply to | #369382 |
Użytkownik "Gary Harnagel" napisał w wiadomości grup dyskusyjnych:8b16c101-b2cc-4b42-ac15-bb20e7eff50d@googlegroups.com... > It also appears the he is also a not nice person in his subject, as seen > in https://twitter.com/eldhash > > Just ignore him |He looks like a bird brain :-) Maybe he does, there is a lot of bird brains around, but he's not me.
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 16:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n1nou6$r19$1@node1.news.atman.pl> |
| In reply to | #369375 |
Użytkownik "Gary Harnagel" napisał w wiadomości grup dyskusyjnych:9742f25c-010d-4026-a9d5-8c5b96150a8a@googlegroups.com... |Wozniak's post just proved that he is an infantile brattish troll. Of |course, he does that EVERYTIME he posts. Harmagel's post just proved that he is an infantile brattish troll. Of course, he does that EVERYTIME he posts.
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 14:22 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <8PudnSt8p89wM6LLnZ2dnUU7_82dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #369370 |
On 11/8/15 11/8/15 6:38 AM, Gary Harnagel wrote: > Of course the earth is growing. Meteorites account for around 5 tons > per year of additional mass. This, of course, is not what your "growing > earth" means. Growing from "inside" is complete nonsense because it > violates conservation of mass/energy. If it were true, it would be > observed on the surface, too, but all tests demonstrate that the conser- > vation principle is alive and well. I can imagine a situation in which the mass of the earth is increasing, essentially "growing from inside" (in addition to the meteorites entering from outside). If dark matter is real, and consists of massive particles that interact with each other considerably more than gravitationally, but only interact with normal matter gravitationally, then it might be possible for dark matter to accumulate at the center of the earth, and be held there gravitationally. This, of course, is essentially "dark matter meteorites". But to us it would appear that the earth was gaining mass from inside. At present we do not know what dark matter is, and have no evidence whatsoever that the above scenario happens. Note that even if dark matter has appropriate properties, it still requires a distribution near earth that permits this accumulation, which seems unlikely.... Tom Roberts
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 13:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d4b3965d-6767-47ae-84b0-acf22f33d110@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #369398 |
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:22:07 PM UTC-7, tjrob137 wrote: > > On 11/8/15 11/8/15 6:38 AM, Gary Harnagel wrote: > > > > Of course the earth is growing. Meteorites account for around 5 tons > > per year of additional mass. This, of course, is not what your "growing > > earth" means. Growing from "inside" is complete nonsense because it > > violates conservation of mass/energy. If it were true, it would be > > observed on the surface, too, but all tests demonstrate that the conser- > > vation principle is alive and well. > > I can imagine a situation in which the mass of the earth is increasing, > essentially "growing from inside" (in addition to the meteorites > entering from outside). > > If dark matter is real, and consists of massive particles that interact > with each other considerably more than gravitationally, but only interact > with normal matter gravitationally, then it might be possible for dark > matter to accumulate at the center of the earth, and be held there > gravitationally. Yesss! I LIKE it! May I use this idea to explain my radioactive decay anomaly? BTW, did you get my recent emails? > This, of course, is essentially "dark matter meteorites". But to us > it would appear that the earth was gaining mass from inside. But they still wouldn't cause the earth to expand. > At present we do not know what dark matter is, and have no evidence > whatsoever that the above scenario happens. Indeed. > Note that even if dark matter has appropriate properties, it still > requires a distribution near earth that permits this accumulation, > which seems unlikely.... > > > Tom Roberts Earth may have a large dark matter core, which explains why its density appears to be significantly greater than iron. Okay, taking off my speculation/arm-waving hat now .... Gary
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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 23:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <n1ohn4$9ub$1@node2.news.atman.pl> |
| In reply to | #369398 |
Użytkownik "Tom Roberts" napisał w wiadomości grup dyskusyjnych:8PudnSt8p89wM6LLnZ2dnUU7_82dnZ2d@giganews.com... |I can imagine a situation in which the mass of the earth is increasing, And - can you imagine a jedi knight, poor idiot?
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| From | shuba <tim@sh.uba> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 19:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n1o6eb$9gl$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #369364 |
Thomas Heger wrote:
> 'scientists' ignore evidence as long as they possibly can
So ironic. There is much evidence and good theoretical calculations
just in the Lineweaver/Egan article and its 56 included references
that I posted a link to (those being, of course, just a few of the
plethora of credible scientific works). It's comical that you've
invented this entire crusade against 'scientists', complete with
imaginary black helicopters and everything. At least you've got
support from those like the ignorant fool John "thumbs up" Heath,
who also believes the way to "do science" is to avoid learning
anything actually done by the serious practitioners of the field.
> If they can't do that anymore, then come insults.
Good thing you cranks never stoop that low.
---Tim Shuba---
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 20:51 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <da9netF84s8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #369393 |
Am 08.11.2015 20:05, schrieb shuba: >> 'scientists' ignore evidence as long as they possibly can > > So ironic. There is much evidence and good theoretical calculations > just in the Lineweaver/Egan article and its 56 included references > that I posted a link to (those being, of course, just a few of the > plethora of credible scientific works). It's comical that you've > invented this entire crusade against 'scientists', complete with > imaginary black helicopters and everything. At least you've got > support from those like the ignorant fool John "thumbs up" Heath, > who also believes the way to "do science" is to avoid learning > anything actually done by the serious practitioners of the field. Actually invented was 'Growing Earth' by a German geologist, named Ott Cristoph Hilgenberger. As a matter of fact, I have spent a significant part of my study (at TU-Berlin) in the very same building, where Hilgenberger had worked. The name of the University had changed (since 1930) and the use of this building. But I'm pretty sure, to once have seen these 'expanding balls', by what he tried to illustrate the expanding Earth, (catching dust somewhere there). This was actually the same place, where I had to learn thermodynamics and how to calculate entropy. (Entropy is a really nasty subject !!) Anyhow. Now I have changed the focus of my 'studies' and create (mainly) 'conspiracy theories'. One of my theories is, that 'Hitler' was actually a British spy, who was related to the 'Apostles' of Cambridge (possibly: Noel Travelian Huxley). >> If they can't do that anymore, then come insults. > > Good thing you cranks never stoop that low. > Insults are not the problem. MIB are ;-) TH
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 13:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d987b856-3591-40ee-8617-962ade34b45d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #369364 |
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 10:52:23 PM UTC-8, Thomas Heger wrote: > Have I told you, that I think 'Growing Earth' is true? > Well, actually I do think, that the Earth does in fact grow and gains > mass from the inside. > > (btw: This would - if true- render large parts of current physics > practically useless.) > I have spent several years on this subject, but made similar experience > as Neil Adams did: > > it's a complete waste of time, since these 'scientists' ignore evidence > as long as they possibly can. So, just what so-called 'evidence' do you have that you claim is being ignored? you know, of course, that you are dangerously close to earning 40 points on the Crackpot Index... http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.
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| From | Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 14:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <be3c3a75-ce44-470d-9eab-d4127d8d978e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #369402 |
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 2:55:37 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 10:52:23 PM UTC-8, Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > Have I told you, that I think 'Growing Earth' is true? > > > > Well, actually I do think, that the Earth does in fact grow and gains > > mass from the inside. > > > > (btw: This would - if true- render large parts of current physics > > practically useless.) > > > > I have spent several years on this subject, but made similar experience > > as Neil Adams did: > > > > it's a complete waste of time, since these 'scientists' ignore evidence > > as long as they possibly can. > > So, just what so-called 'evidence' do you have that you claim is being > ignored? > > you know, of course, that you are dangerously close to earning 40 points > on the Crackpot Index... > > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html > > 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged > in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved > fame, or suchlike. I gave him 106 points in my post.
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 14:13 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c3ca7382-23d5-422d-8045-5e16a841e4b7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #369404 |
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 2:00:22 PM UTC-8, Gary Harnagel wrote: > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 2:55:37 PM UTC-7, pnal...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 10:52:23 PM UTC-8, Thomas Heger wrote: > > > > > > Have I told you, that I think 'Growing Earth' is true? > > > > > > Well, actually I do think, that the Earth does in fact grow and gains > > > mass from the inside. > > > > > > (btw: This would - if true- render large parts of current physics > > > practically useless.) > > > > > > I have spent several years on this subject, but made similar experience > > > as Neil Adams did: > > > > > > it's a complete waste of time, since these 'scientists' ignore evidence > > > as long as they possibly can. > > > > So, just what so-called 'evidence' do you have that you claim is being > > ignored? > > > > you know, of course, that you are dangerously close to earning 40 points > > on the Crackpot Index... > > > > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html > > > > 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged > > in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved > > fame, or suchlike. > > I gave him 106 points in my post. I guess you did more research than I did...
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2015-11-09 05:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <daangiFfeq3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #369402 |
Am 08.11.2015 22:55, schrieb pnalsing@gmail.com: > On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 10:52:23 PM UTC-8, Thomas Heger wrote: > >> Have I told you, that I think 'Growing Earth' is true? > >> Well, actually I do think, that the Earth does in fact grow and gains >> mass from the inside. >> >> (btw: This would - if true- render large parts of current physics >> practically useless.) > >> I have spent several years on this subject, but made similar experience >> as Neil Adams did: >> >> it's a complete waste of time, since these 'scientists' ignore evidence >> as long as they possibly can. > > So, just what so-called 'evidence' do you have that you claim is being ignored? > How much do you want? Let me begin with problems of moving plates (what 'plate tectonics' is about): the crust of planet Earth rests on the mantle and this mantle is not liquid. Instead we have a very dense semi-plastic material. So we have problems, to see compelling reason, why plates should float. Since the density is higher, we have also a problem with submerging pieces of the crust. Then the Earth is completely covered with crust, which contains only small cracks. So, if plates move, they must make space for themselves, by pushing other pieces away. The problem is related to a theorem of Euler, that movement of a piece of the spherial shell of a ball upon this ball is equivalent to a rotation of this piece around a so called 'Euler pole'. In other words: the part of this piece, that is opposite to this Euler pole should look round (what is doesn't). Then we have the problem of pressure, that applies sideways between these plates. since the plates are quite thick and the borders are very long, we have a huge area, upon which a high pressure presses the pieces side against the neighbouring plate. From the rules of mechanics we know, this would require a high force, that would be larger than the resistance. Also the form of plates would hinder movements, since they do not look like made for sliding along other plates. If a plate would submerge, this plate had to overcome a difficult problem. This is related to the reason, why egg-shells are so strong: if you try to bent down a hard spherical sheet, this sheet would create internal pressure, since the piece is spherical. Also the thickness of the plate would require, that upper parts of the piece are stretched, while lower parts are pushed together. Since rock is quite incompressible, we would expect large parallel cracks, where such a piece submerges. (what we don't find) Also the age of the crust and the sea-floor does not fit to plate tectonics. Instead the surface of the continents is in the range of billion of years, while the sea-floor is no older than about 300 million years. Continents look way to levelled for way too long time, since if plates would move, emerge and dive under other ones, theses pieces would not stay horizontal. There is evidence for steady drop of sea-levels, what plate tectonic can't explain, but what Growing Earth assumes. Growing Earth would explain, why planets exist in the first place or why there are so many double-star systems. The assumption is, that Jupiter will once become a sun and its current moons will become planets then. and so forth.. (This was meant as a small sample of what I had to say about this subject. But I can provide more, if you like.) TH
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2015-11-10 04:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <dad6ooF4c8nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #369402 |
Am 08.11.2015 22:55, schrieb pnalsing@gmail.com:
>> Have I told you, that I think 'Growing Earth' is true?
>> > Well, actually I do think, that the Earth does in fact grow and gains
>> > mass from the inside.
>> >
>> > (btw: This would - if true- render large parts of current physics
>> > practically useless.)
>> > I have spent several years on this subject, but made similar experience
>> > as Neil Adams did:
>> >
>> > it's a complete waste of time, since these 'scientists' ignore evidence
>> > as long as they possibly can.
> So, just what so-called 'evidence' do you have that you claim is being ignored?
>
> you know, of course, that you are dangerously close to earning 40 points on the Crackpot Index...
>
> http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
>
> 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.
What I actually think is this:
in the late 19th century certain discoveries have been made.
They turned out to be useful, but only, if they were kept secret.
I think, that the ideas of Maxwell have been quite close to such
discoveries, since he had used quaternions. His famous equations have
been initially 20 quaternion equations, from what we today know only 4.
The rest have been removed from science by a coordinated afford of very
influential forces.
Instead some carefully crafted nonsense was created and 'sold' to the
public.
This scheme is similar to 'voodoo' (or other forms of occultism), since
it attempts to kept certain knowledge secret.
But it is possible to estimate, who did that and how. And this would
allow to estimate, why that had happened.
First: who?
Actually a guy named Heaviside removed quaternions and replaced them by
vectors.
Vectors are linear by nature and belong to the idea of sums, while
quaternions are 'more multiplicative' and 'curved', hence are much more
appropriate for the description of fields and particles.
Than we have Planck, who resembles in a way 'Darth Vader' and who
introduced certain principles, that made physicists look even closer -
in the wrong direction.
Than we have Albert Einstein, who tried to eliminate, what Maxwell still
believed in: the 'aether'.
This was replaced by particles ('..moving bodies..'), for what a
plausible origin was needed: 'big-bang-theory'.
This was provided by a Jesuit: Lemaitre.
Then we have 'evidence' by an apparently British astronomer, posing as
American: Edwin Hubble.
In the meantime, there were sceptics criticising this development, who
developed alternative ideas.
E.g. there was Herman Minkovski, who invented something similar to GR.
And geologists found, the Earth would grow, like the German Hilgenberger.
And than certain things have been developed, that look really 'far out'
today:
'Vril' for example, anti-gravity, bio-energy or 'structured water' by
Victor Schauberger.
All of this is now - somehow- removed from the public, especially from
academic research.
Instead we have such elaborated nonsense as 'Global Climate Change',
caused (allegedly) by CO2.
More nonsense was produced, but not that elaborated.
Then the poor students of physics have been forced to swallow the
nonsense, unless they want to be expelled from the holy sect of academics.
But some outsiders seem to be 'silenced' in a more active manner.
E.g. there was a guy named Stanley Meyer, who ran his car by water and
who died after crying 'I was poisoned'.
Other unexpected death occured with Nicola Tesla, Victor Schauberger and
Herman Minkowski.
Another method to silence dissidents was apparently the use of
institutions for mental health. Famous example: Andre Sacharov.
But more efficient is actually: more nonsense, much more!
So this science is kind of flooded with all sorts of questionable
'knowledge', that nobody cares to sort out. And more is created on a
daily basis - much more actually.
As I'm not a physicist and do not belong to any kind of sect, I have not
known anything about it.
But for some personal reason I had made the decision, I should try to
understand modern physics. This is more or less a hobby. But I had
produced something and found:
'...that was in a way too easy...'
So I have tried to 'reverse engineer' this 'plot'.
But such an endeavour is dangerous, since based on speculations only,
which could bring one into one of these institutions.
So, I decided, physics is not for me and moved to other subjects.
TH
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| From | JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-09 20:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a9d5f289-07bb-461b-81f6-3f231b810769@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #369493 |
On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 7:31:41 PM UTC-8, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 08.11.2015 22:55, schrieb pnalsing@gmail.com: > >> Have I told you, that I think 'Growing Earth' is true? > >> > Well, actually I do think, that the Earth does in fact grow and gains > >> > mass from the inside. > >> > > >> > (btw: This would - if true- render large parts of current physics > >> > practically useless.) > >> > I have spent several years on this subject, but made similar experience > >> > as Neil Adams did: > >> > > >> > it's a complete waste of time, since these 'scientists' ignore evidence > >> > as long as they possibly can. > > So, just what so-called 'evidence' do you have that you claim is being ignored? > > > > you know, of course, that you are dangerously close to earning 40 points on the Crackpot Index... > > > > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html > > > > 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike. > > > What I actually think is this: > > in the late 19th century certain discoveries have been made. > > They turned out to be useful, but only, if they were kept secret. > > I think, that the ideas of Maxwell have been quite close to such > discoveries, since he had used quaternions. His famous equations have > been initially 20 quaternion equations, from what we today know only 4. Things have progressed since the 19th century. We are way beyond quaternions now, look up "Clifford algebra". > The rest have been removed from science by a coordinated afford of very > influential forces. No. This is science fiction. -- Jan
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| From | pnalsing@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-11-09 20:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9e2d255d-2c6c-4150-a092-45eac1b2e572@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #369493 |
On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 7:31:41 PM UTC-8, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 08.11.2015 22:55, schrieb pnal...@gmail.com:
> >> Have I told you, that I think 'Growing Earth' is true?
> >> > Well, actually I do think, that the Earth does in fact grow and gains
> >> > mass from the inside.
> >> >
> >> > (btw: This would - if true- render large parts of current physics
> >> > practically useless.)
> >> > I have spent several years on this subject, but made similar experience
> >> > as Neil Adams did:
> >> >
> >> > it's a complete waste of time, since these 'scientists' ignore evidence
> >> > as long as they possibly can.
> > So, just what so-called 'evidence' do you have that you claim is being ignored?
> >
> > you know, of course, that you are dangerously close to earning 40 points on the Crackpot Index...
> >
> > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
> >
> > 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.
>
>
> What I actually think is this:
>
> in the late 19th century certain discoveries have been made.
>
> They turned out to be useful, but only, if they were kept secret.
>
> I think, that the ideas of Maxwell have been quite close to such
> discoveries, since he had used quaternions. His famous equations have
> been initially 20 quaternion equations, from what we today know only 4.
>
> The rest have been removed from science by a coordinated afford of very
> influential forces.
>
> Instead some carefully crafted nonsense was created and 'sold' to the
> public.
>
> This scheme is similar to 'voodoo' (or other forms of occultism), since
> it attempts to kept certain knowledge secret.
>
> But it is possible to estimate, who did that and how. And this would
> allow to estimate, why that had happened.
>
> First: who?
>
> Actually a guy named Heaviside removed quaternions and replaced them by
> vectors.
>
> Vectors are linear by nature and belong to the idea of sums, while
> quaternions are 'more multiplicative' and 'curved', hence are much more
> appropriate for the description of fields and particles.
>
> Than we have Planck, who resembles in a way 'Darth Vader' and who
> introduced certain principles, that made physicists look even closer -
> in the wrong direction.
>
> Than we have Albert Einstein, who tried to eliminate, what Maxwell still
> believed in: the 'aether'.
>
> This was replaced by particles ('..moving bodies..'), for what a
> plausible origin was needed: 'big-bang-theory'.
>
> This was provided by a Jesuit: Lemaitre.
>
> Then we have 'evidence' by an apparently British astronomer, posing as
> American: Edwin Hubble.
>
> In the meantime, there were sceptics criticising this development, who
> developed alternative ideas.
>
> E.g. there was Herman Minkovski, who invented something similar to GR.
>
> And geologists found, the Earth would grow, like the German Hilgenberger.
>
> And than certain things have been developed, that look really 'far out'
> today:
> 'Vril' for example, anti-gravity, bio-energy or 'structured water' by
> Victor Schauberger.
>
> All of this is now - somehow- removed from the public, especially from
> academic research.
>
> Instead we have such elaborated nonsense as 'Global Climate Change',
> caused (allegedly) by CO2.
>
> More nonsense was produced, but not that elaborated.
>
> Then the poor students of physics have been forced to swallow the
> nonsense, unless they want to be expelled from the holy sect of academics.
>
> But some outsiders seem to be 'silenced' in a more active manner.
>
> E.g. there was a guy named Stanley Meyer, who ran his car by water and
> who died after crying 'I was poisoned'.
>
> Other unexpected death occured with Nicola Tesla, Victor Schauberger and
> Herman Minkowski.
>
> Another method to silence dissidents was apparently the use of
> institutions for mental health. Famous example: Andre Sacharov.
>
> But more efficient is actually: more nonsense, much more!
>
> So this science is kind of flooded with all sorts of questionable
> 'knowledge', that nobody cares to sort out. And more is created on a
> daily basis - much more actually.
>
> As I'm not a physicist and do not belong to any kind of sect, I have not
> known anything about it.
>
> But for some personal reason I had made the decision, I should try to
> understand modern physics. This is more or less a hobby. But I had
> produced something and found:
> '...that was in a way too easy...'
>
> So I have tried to 'reverse engineer' this 'plot'.
>
> But such an endeavour is dangerous, since based on speculations only,
> which could bring one into one of these institutions.
>
> So, I decided, physics is not for me and moved to other subjects.
>
>
> TH
So, essentially you are just a basic run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist, who has no trust of mainstream physicists... right? Even though you don't understand a darn thing about physics, you just don't trust them... makes perfect sense to me!
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| From | shuba <tim@sh.uba> |
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| Date | 2015-11-10 21:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n1tn98$osj$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #369501 |
pnalsing wrote:
> So, essentially you are just a basic run-of-the-mill conspiracy
> theorist, who has no trust of mainstream physicists... right?
Not quite. Thomas Heger is batshit insane and has an extreme,
uncontrollable hatred for scientists and all intellectual
activities in general. This has led him to be a conspiracy kook.
Pretty much everything he says about relativity is seriously
misinformed, and the same can be said for his irrational fixation
on 'growing earth', where he has shown stunning lack of study of the
basics of modern concepts in geoscience in favor of pure crankery.
---Tim Shuba---
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-10 15:42 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <n1tobt$rpe$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #369578 |
On 11/10/2015 3:23 PM, shuba wrote: > pnalsing wrote: > >> So, essentially you are just a basic run-of-the-mill conspiracy >> theorist, who has no trust of mainstream physicists... right? > > Not quite. Thomas Heger is batshit insane and has an extreme, > uncontrollable hatred for scientists and all intellectual > activities in general. This has led him to be a conspiracy kook. > > Pretty much everything he says about relativity is seriously > misinformed, and the same can be said for his irrational fixation > on 'growing earth', where he has shown stunning lack of study of the > basics of modern concepts in geoscience in favor of pure crankery. > > > ---Tim Shuba--- > It's just a preliminary observation, but it seems to me there are really only a few that post here that have an outright hatred of scientists. However, there are a lot of them that feel excluded from the activities of science. They really aren't, but that's their perception. Their perceptions is based on a number of mistaken assumptions and inappropriate opinions: - That all scientific publications should be written for the interested layperson. - That all scientific publications should be open-access and freely accessible without logins, pay walls, or subscriptions. - That scientists should seize on any idea presented by anyone, as long as it is presented with earnest sincerity, and that scientists owe it to laypeople to work out those sincerely offered ideas to see if they are legitimate or not. - That validity of ideas should be obvious from reading, rather than from experimental test. Thomas is one of the larger pool. He's by no means alone. -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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