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  The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-28 12:47 +0000
    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-28 12:51 +0000
      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 15:58 +0000
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 16:00 +0000
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 09:11 -0700
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 16:59 +0000
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 10:17 -0700
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:22 +0000
                  Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 10:28 -0700
                    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:35 +0000
                      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 10:45 -0700
                        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 10:48 -0700
                          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:56 +0000
                            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 -0400
                        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:52 +0000
                          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 10:59 -0700
                            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 18:04 +0000
                              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 11:06 -0700
                                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 18:51 +0000
                                  Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 11:55 -0700
                                    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 19:27 +0000
                    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:45 +0000
    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-28 19:55 +0000
      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-08-28 15:20 -0700
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 16:42 -0700
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-28 20:45 -0400
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-08-29 10:44 -0700
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 19:30 +0000
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:39 -0700
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-08-29 17:18 -0700
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 17:28 -0700
                  Pretender Stephane Baune continues to puff himself "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 17:40 -0700
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 09:53 +0000
                  Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 15:43 -0500
    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 16:30 -0500
      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:15 +0000
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 12:18 -0500
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:24 +0000
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-30 13:56 -0500
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 19:20 +0000
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-31 19:56 +0000
    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-28 20:22 -0500
      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:28 -0700
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:35 -0700
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:39 -0700
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:50 -0700
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox YBM <ybmess@nooos.fr.invalid> - 2015-09-02 00:42 -0300
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 20:59 -0700
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 21:56 -0700
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 22:37 -0700
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 22:59 -0700
                  Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 23:15 -0700
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 21:38 -0700
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:45 -0700
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 21:59 -0700
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:11 +0000
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:08 +0000
      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:08 +0000
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-29 11:23 +0000
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 11:50 +0000
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 05:17 -0700
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 12:21 +0000
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Photon Beam" <none@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:03 -0700
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 04:24 -0700
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 11:49 +0000
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 05:10 -0700
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 12:20 +0000
              Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 07:35 -0700
                Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:34 -0700
                  Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 08:43 -0700
                    Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:59 -0700
                      Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 09:03 -0700
                      Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 09:08 -0700
                        Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:35 -0700
                          Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 16:54 -0700
                  Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 19:56 +0000
                    Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:07 -0700
                      Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 20:12 +0000
                      Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 16:56 -0700
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-29 08:23 -0400
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 12:26 +0000
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-29 08:43 -0400
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 04:29 -0700
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 11:46 +0000
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-29 13:51 -0500
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 19:27 +0000
    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:34 +0000
    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:38 +0000
    The Wheels/Track Paradox fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-08-29 08:23 -0700
    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 17:49 -0700
      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 19:25 -0700
        Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 19:31 -0700
          Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 20:39 -0700
            Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 20:52 -0700
              Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 21:13 -0700
                Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 21:22 -0700
                  Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 22:06 -0700
                    Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 23:34 -0700
                    Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:07 +0000
      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-29 22:02 -0700
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 22:17 -0700
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 23:37 -0700
        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:13 +0000
          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 03:29 -0700
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:36 +0000
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 03:53 -0700
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 11:30 +0000
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-30 08:31 -0400
                  Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 07:06 -0700
                    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 15:33 +0000
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:39 +0000
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 03:41 -0700
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 06:29 -0700
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 07:18 -0700
                  Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-30 13:47 -0500
            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 06:26 -0700
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 13:34 +0000
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 15:35 +0000
              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 07:11 -0700
                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 07:30 -0700
                  Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-31 02:30 -0700
                    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 06:20 -0700
                      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-31 06:26 -0700
                        Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 06:27 -0700
                          Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Thomas Yee <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:34 -0700
                            Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 06:39 -0700
                              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Thomas Yee <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:47 -0700
                                Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 06:55 -0700
                              Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:53 -0700
                                NPA Member , Crackpot Stephane Baune chimes in "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 06:58 -0700
                                  Re: NPA Member , Crackpot Stephane Baune chimes in Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-31 18:27 +0000
                                    Re: NPA Member , Crackpot Stephane Baune chimes in rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 12:12 -0700
                                    Re: NPA Member , Crackpot Stephane Baune chimes in "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 12:36 -0700
      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:04 +0000
    Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-08-30 14:44 +1000
      Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:21 +0000

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#362073 — The Wheels/Track Paradox

Came to think on this New Paradox in Relativity, never seen anywhere 
before.

A wheel can maximally only speed up to LESS then A HALF of the speed of 
light.

I let the agile vivacious sprightly readers to find out why.

Consequently, all the secondary aggregated wheels have to be bounded by 
this limit.

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#362075

Margarita Cibulkova wrote:

> Came to think on this New Paradox in Relativity, never seen anywhere
> before.
> 
> A wheel can maximally only speed up to LESS then A HALF of the speed of
> light.

To be read "than" instead of "then". I apologise for the inconvenience.

> I let the agile vivacious sprightly readers to find out why.
> 
> Consequently, all the secondary aggregated wheels have to be bounded by
> this limit.

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#362359

Margarita Cibulkova wrote:

> Margarita Cibulkova wrote:
> 
>> Came to think on this New Paradox in Relativity, never seen anywhere
>> before.
>> 
>> A wheel can maximally only speed up to LESS then A HALF of the speed of
>> light.
> 
> To be read "than" instead of "then". I apologise for the inconvenience.
> 
>> I let the agile vivacious sprightly readers to find out why.
>> 
>> Consequently, all the secondary aggregated wheels have to be bounded by
>> this limit.

I take the liberty to invite everyone, those that got this gedanken wrong,
to go push the "Combined" button to see how a wheel perform inside its
domain of applicability. Regards.
http://www.wiley.com/college/halliday/0470469080/simulations/fig11_04/fig11_04.html

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#362360

Reginald Ehrett wrote:

>>> I let the agile vivacious sprightly readers to find out why.
>>> Consequently, all the secondary aggregated wheels have to be bounded by
>>> this limit.
> 
> I take the liberty to invite everyone, those that got this gedanken wrong,
> to go push the "Combined" button to see how a wheel perform inside its
> domain of applicability. Regards.
> http://www.wiley.com/college/halliday/0470469080/simulations/fig11_04/fig11_04.html

It comes out clearly, that the top of the wheel cannot move slower than
the required motion imposed by the axle at the center of the wheel.

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#362363

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 9:00:33 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> 
> >>> I let the agile vivacious sprightly readers to find out why.
> >>> Consequently, all the secondary aggregated wheels have to be bounded by
> >>> this limit.
> > 
> > I take the liberty to invite everyone, those that got this gedanken wrong,
> > to go push the "Combined" button to see how a wheel perform inside its
> > domain of applicability. Regards.
> > http://www.wiley.com/college/halliday/0470469080/simulations/fig11_04/fig11_04.html
> 
> It comes out clearly, that the top of the wheel cannot move slower than
> the required motion imposed by the axle at the center of the wheel.

This is true. 

Say that the axle moves at speed V.
The top of the wheel moves at u wrt the axle.
The, the top of the wheel moves at 

[tex]u'=\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}[/tex] wrt the ground

One can easily show that u'>V and u'>u.
What you will NEVER be able to show is that , in the case of your OP, u'=2V. This is only valid in Galilean kinematics, not in SR. 

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#362371

Dono, wrote:

> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 9:00:33 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
>> Reginald Ehrett wrote:
>> 
>> >>> I let the agile vivacious sprightly readers to find out why.
>> >>> Consequently, all the secondary aggregated wheels have to be
>> >>> bounded by this limit.
>> > 
>> > I take the liberty to invite everyone, those that got this gedanken
>> > wrong,
>> > to go push the "Combined" button to see how a wheel perform inside
>> > its domain of applicability. Regards.
>> > http://www.wiley.com/college/halliday/0470469080/simulations/fig11_04/
fig11_04.html
>> 
>> It comes out clearly, that the top of the wheel cannot move slower than
>> the required motion imposed by the axle at the center of the wheel.
> 
> This is true.
> 
> Say that the axle moves at speed V.
> The top of the wheel moves at u wrt the axle.
> The, the top of the wheel moves at
> 
> [tex]u'=\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}[/tex] wrt the ground

You just add the two speeds u and V, relativisticly, right?

Yet you don't know the value of u. 
What you do is apparently u=2V than reduce their sum, u+V by composition.

> One can easily show that u'>V and u'>u.

Is this sufficeient?

> What you will NEVER be able to show is that , in the case of your OP,
> u'=2V. This is only valid in Galilean kinematics, not in SR.

Yes?

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#362373

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 9:59:54 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> Dono, wrote:
> 
> > On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 9:00:33 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> >> Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> >> 
> >> >>> I let the agile vivacious sprightly readers to find out why.
> >> >>> Consequently, all the secondary aggregated wheels have to be
> >> >>> bounded by this limit.
> >> > 
> >> > I take the liberty to invite everyone, those that got this gedanken
> >> > wrong,
> >> > to go push the "Combined" button to see how a wheel perform inside
> >> > its domain of applicability. Regards.
> >> > http://www.wiley.com/college/halliday/0470469080/simulations/fig11_04/
> fig11_04.html
> >> 
> >> It comes out clearly, that the top of the wheel cannot move slower than
> >> the required motion imposed by the axle at the center of the wheel.
> > 
> > This is true.
> > 
> > Say that the axle moves at speed V.
> > The top of the wheel moves at u wrt the axle.
> > The, the top of the wheel moves at
> > 
> > [tex]u'=\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}[/tex] wrt the ground
> 
> You just add the two speeds u and V, relativisticly, right?
> 

Right. 

> Yet you don't know the value of u. 
Don't have to, the proof is general.




> What you do is apparently u=2V than reduce their sum, u+V by composition.
> 


No, this is not what I did.


> > One can easily show that u'>V and u'>u.
> 
> Is this sufficeient?
> 

Yes. In addition, one can easily show that, contrary to your OP claim, u'<c.


> > What you will NEVER be able to show is that , in the case of your OP,
> > u'=2V. This is only valid in Galilean kinematics, not in SR.
> 
> Yes?

Yes. You need to stop trolling, stop nymshifting and start learning. 

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#362376

Dono, wrote:

>> > One can easily show that u'>V and u'>u.
>> 
>> Is this sufficeient?
>>  
> Yes. In addition, one can easily show that, contrary to your OP claim,
> u'<c.

Of course not. You are not paying attention. The question is whether the 
wheel will rotate or not. I say it will not, disregard your relativistic 
addition of the speeds. 

Let's go numerical. Assume your V = 0.6c, hence your u = 1.2c Convince me.

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#362378

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:22:08 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> Dono, wrote:
> 
> >> > One can easily show that u'>V and u'>u.
> >> 
> >> Is this sufficeient?
> >>  
> > Yes. In addition, one can easily show that, contrary to your OP claim,
> > u'<c.
> 
> Of course not. You are not paying attention. The question is whether the 
> wheel will rotate or not. I say it will not, disregard your relativistic 
> addition of the speeds. 
> 
> Let's go numerical. Assume your V = 0.6c, hence your u = 1.2c Convince me.

You are a bigger cretin than you pretend to be:

[tex]\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}<c[/tex] for ANY, u, V.

Simple algebra, silly troll. 

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#362379

Dono, wrote:

>> Of course not. You are not paying attention. The question is whether
>> the wheel will rotate or not. I say it will not, disregard your
>> relativistic addition of the speeds.
>> 
>> Let's go numerical. Assume your V = 0.6c, hence your u = 1.2c Convince
>> me.
> 
> You are a bigger cretin than you pretend to be:
> 
> [tex]\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}<c[/tex] for ANY, u, V.
> 
> Simple algebra, silly troll.

You are simply compose the two speeds, troll. Nobody asked you to do that. 
Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I must 
insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of rotation requires 
first order PROPORTIONALITY.

Invented long time ago, people still don't understand their wheels.

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#362381

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:35:58 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> Dono, wrote:
> 
> >> Of course not. You are not paying attention. The question is whether
> >> the wheel will rotate or not. I say it will not, disregard your
> >> relativistic addition of the speeds.
> >> 
> >> Let's go numerical. Assume your V = 0.6c, hence your u = 1.2c Convince
> >> me.
> > 
> > You are a bigger cretin than you pretend to be:
> > 
> > [tex]\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}<c[/tex] for ANY, u, V.
> > 
> > Simple algebra, silly troll.
 
> Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I must 
> insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of rotation requires 
> first order PROPORTIONALITY.


Cretin. Incurable.

The rim rotates at [tex]\vec{u}=\vec{/omega} \cross \vec{r}[/tex]

This means that the top of the rim moves at [tex]u=\omega *r[/tex]
The bottom of the rim moves at:

[tex\frac{V-\omega *r}{1+V\omega *r/c^2}[/tex]

where V is the speed of the axle. In order for the wheel to move wo slippage, you need to have [tex]V-\omega *r=0[/tex]


So, [tex]V=u=\omega*r[/tex]

In the frame of the track:

[tex]u'=\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}=\frac{2 \omega*r}{1+(\omega*r/c)^2}<c[/tex]

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#362382

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:45:55 AM UTC-7, Dono, wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:35:58 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> > Dono, wrote:
> > 
> > >> Of course not. You are not paying attention. The question is whether
> > >> the wheel will rotate or not. I say it will not, disregard your
> > >> relativistic addition of the speeds.
> > >> 
> > >> Let's go numerical. Assume your V = 0.6c, hence your u = 1.2c Convince
> > >> me.
> > > 
> > > You are a bigger cretin than you pretend to be:
> > > 
> > > [tex]\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}<c[/tex] for ANY, u, V.
> > > 
> > > Simple algebra, silly troll.
>  
> > Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I must 
> > insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of rotation requires 
> > first order PROPORTIONALITY.
> 
> 
> Cretin. Incurable.
> 
> The rim rotates at [tex]\vec{u}=\vec{/omega} \cross \vec{r}[/tex]
> 
> This means that the top of the rim moves at [tex]u=\omega *r[/tex]
> The bottom of the rim moves at:
> 
> [tex\frac{V-\omega *r}{1+V\omega *r/c^2}[/tex]
> 
> where V is the speed of the axle. In order for the wheel to move wo slippage, you need to have [tex]V-\omega *r=0[/tex]
> 
> 
> So, [tex]V=u=\omega*r[/tex]
> 
> In the frame of the track:
> 
> [tex]u'=\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}=\frac{2 \omega*r}{1+(\omega*r/c)^2}<c[/tex]

Typo:

The bottom of the rim moves at:

[tex\frac{V-\omega *r}{1-V\omega *r/c^2}[/tex] 


The proof stands. 

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#362384

Dono, wrote:

>> > Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I
>> > must insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of rotation
>> > requires first order PROPORTIONALITY.
>> 
>> Cretin. Incurable.
>> The rim rotates at [tex]\vec{u}=\vec{/omega} \cross \vec{r}[/tex]
>> This means that the top of the rim moves at [tex]u=\omega *r[/tex]
>> The bottom of the rim moves at:
>> [tex\frac{V-\omega *r}{1+V\omega *r/c^2}[/tex]
>> where V is the speed of the axle. In order for the wheel to move wo
>> slippage, you need to have [tex]V-\omega *r=0[/tex]
>> So, [tex]V=u=\omega*r[/tex]
>> In the frame of the track:
>> [tex]u'=\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}=\frac{2
>> \omega*r}{1+(\omega*r/c)^2}<c[/tex]
> 
> Typo:
> The bottom of the rim moves at:
> [tex\frac{V-\omega *r}{1-V\omega *r/c^2}[/tex]
> The proof stands.

Another faulty connected cable detected. The bottom rim is fixed to the 
track. It can't possible move.

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#362395

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:56:13 +0000 (UTC), Reginald Ehrett
<chasi@competence.org> wrote:

>Dono, wrote:
>
>>> > Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I
>>> > must insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of rotation
>>> > requires first order PROPORTIONALITY.
>>> 
>>> Cretin. Incurable.
>>> The rim rotates at [tex]\vec{u}=\vec{/omega} \cross \vec{r}[/tex]
>>> This means that the top of the rim moves at [tex]u=\omega *r[/tex]
>>> The bottom of the rim moves at:
>>> [tex\frac{V-\omega *r}{1+V\omega *r/c^2}[/tex]
>>> where V is the speed of the axle. In order for the wheel to move wo
>>> slippage, you need to have [tex]V-\omega *r=0[/tex]
>>> So, [tex]V=u=\omega*r[/tex]
>>> In the frame of the track:
>>> [tex]u'=\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}=\frac{2
>>> \omega*r}{1+(\omega*r/c)^2}<c[/tex]
>> 
>> Typo:
>> The bottom of the rim moves at:
>> [tex\frac{V-\omega *r}{1-V\omega *r/c^2}[/tex]
>> The proof stands.
>
>Another faulty connected cable detected. The bottom rim is fixed to the 
>track. It can't possible move.

         The flange can, but not much.

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#362383

Dono, wrote:

> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:35:58 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
>> Dono, wrote:
>> 
>> >> Of course not. You are not paying attention. The question is whether
>> >> the wheel will rotate or not. I say it will not, disregard your
>> >> relativistic addition of the speeds.
>> >> 
>> >> Let's go numerical. Assume your V = 0.6c, hence your u = 1.2c
>> >> Convince me.
>> > 
>> > You are a bigger cretin than you pretend to be:
>> > 
>> > [tex]\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}<c[/tex] for ANY, u, V.
>> > 
>> > Simple algebra, silly troll.
>  
>> Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I must
>> insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of rotation requires
>> first order PROPORTIONALITY.
> 
> 
> Cretin. Incurable.
> 
> The rim rotates at [tex]\vec{u}=\vec{/omega} \cross \vec{r}[/tex]

Reduce the problem to 1d, imbecile. Make it simple. And as said, make it 
NUMERICAL.

> This means that the top of the rim moves at [tex]u=\omega *r[/tex]
> The bottom of the rim moves at:
> 
> [tex\frac{V-\omega *r}{1+V\omega *r/c^2}[/tex]

Idiot, the bottom point does not move. I'm forced to delete the rest, to 
protect the public.

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#362385

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:52:37 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> Dono, wrote:
> 
> > On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 10:35:58 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> >> Dono, wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> Of course not. You are not paying attention. The question is whether
> >> >> the wheel will rotate or not. I say it will not, disregard your
> >> >> relativistic addition of the speeds.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Let's go numerical. Assume your V = 0.6c, hence your u = 1.2c
> >> >> Convince me.
> >> > 
> >> > You are a bigger cretin than you pretend to be:
> >> > 
> >> > [tex]\frac{u+V}{1+uV/c^2}<c[/tex] for ANY, u, V.
> >> > 
> >> > Simple algebra, silly troll.
> >  
> >> Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I must
> >> insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of rotation requires
> >> first order PROPORTIONALITY.
> > 
> > 
> > Cretin. Incurable.
> > 
> > The rim rotates at [tex]\vec{u}=\vec{/omega} \cross \vec{r}[/tex]
> 
> Reduce the problem to 1d,


You pretend to be an idiot in order to show how smart you are. Turns out that you ARE a genuine idiot. So, you need to go back to fucking yourself. 

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#362387

Dono, wrote:

>> >> Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I
>> >> must insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of rotation
>> >> requires first order PROPORTIONALITY.
>> > 
>> > Cretin. Incurable.
>> > The rim rotates at [tex]\vec{u}=\vec{/omega} \cross \vec{r}[/tex]
>> 
>> Reduce the problem to 1d,
> 
> You pretend to be an idiot in order to show how smart you are. Turns out
> that you ARE a genuine idiot. So, you need to go back to fucking
> yourself.

I see, you start snipping for no reason. A valid indicator that you found 
your faulty connected cable. I enjoyed severely much your speed of the 
bottom rim :)

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#362388

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 11:04:37 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> Dono, wrote:
> 
> >> >> Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I
> >> >> must insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of rotation
> >> >> requires first order PROPORTIONALITY.
> >> > 
> >> > Cretin. Incurable.
> >> > The rim rotates at [tex]\vec{u}=\vec{/omega} \cross \vec{r}[/tex]
> >> 
> >> Reduce the problem to 1d,
> > 
> > You pretend to be an idiot in order to show how smart you are. Turns out
> > that you ARE a genuine idiot. So, you need to go back to fucking
> > yourself.
> 
> I see, you start snipping for no reason. 


Go fuck "Margarita", "Reginald".  :-) 

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#362392

Dono, wrote:

> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 11:04:37 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
>> Dono, wrote:
>> 
>> >> >> Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I
>> >> >> must insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of
>> >> >> rotation requires first order PROPORTIONALITY.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Cretin. Incurable.
>> >> > The rim rotates at [tex]\vec{u}=\vec{/omega} \cross \vec{r}[/tex]
>> >> 
>> >> Reduce the problem to 1d,
>> > 
>> > You pretend to be an idiot in order to show how smart you are. Turns
>> > out that you ARE a genuine idiot. So, you need to go back to fucking
>> > yourself.
>> 
>> I see, you start snipping for no reason.
> 
> Go fuck "Margarita", "Reginald".  :-)

As I can see it a rigid connection restricts Relativity, that's all, 
mister Dono. But I can be wrong of course. I'm not certified so to speak.

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#362393

On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 11:51:49 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> Dono, wrote:
> 
> > On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 11:04:37 AM UTC-7, Reginald Ehrett wrote:
> >> Dono, wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> >> Show your results for the top speed assuming the wheel at 0.6c. I
> >> >> >> must insist, that wheel cannot rotate, since that type of
> >> >> >> rotation requires first order PROPORTIONALITY.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Cretin. Incurable.
> >> >> > The rim rotates at [tex]\vec{u}=\vec{/omega} \cross \vec{r}[/tex]
> >> >> 
> >> >> Reduce the problem to 1d,
> >> > 
> >> > You pretend to be an idiot in order to show how smart you are. Turns
> >> > out that you ARE a genuine idiot. So, you need to go back to fucking
> >> > yourself.
> >> 
> >> I see, you start snipping for no reason.
> > 
> > Go fuck "Margarita", "Reginald".  :-)
> 
> But I can be wrong of course.

You ARE wrong, "Margarita" 


>I'm not certified so to speak.

So, STFU. 

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