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| First post | 2025-12-29 09:57 +0100 |
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Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-29 09:57 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-29 13:53 +0000
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-30 02:16 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-30 15:29 +0000
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-30 10:30 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-29 10:23 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-30 15:32 +0000
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 10:05 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-30 20:02 +0000
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-30 13:22 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 17:07 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-31 15:16 +0000
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-30 17:06 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-31 05:15 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-31 09:48 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-01 06:27 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-01 10:30 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-30 23:57 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-01 10:34 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-01-01 14:30 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-02 01:04 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 02:12 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 02:27 -0800
Mass--energy equivalence (was: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-02 16:55 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-02 09:35 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-03 08:14 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-01-03 08:30 +0000
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-03 11:30 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-01-03 12:54 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-03 16:41 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-03 20:48 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-03 21:59 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-03 22:02 +0100
Mass--energy equivalence (was: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-03 16:42 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-03 20:48 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-03 21:50 +0100
[OT] Non-ASCII characters (was: Mass--energy equivalence) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-03 21:57 +0100
Re: [OT] Non-ASCII characters nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-03 23:18 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-03 23:18 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-04 01:17 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-08 12:32 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-08 15:24 +0100
MacSOUP (was: Mass--energy equivalence) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-08 16:03 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-08 22:28 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-08 14:29 +0000
Re: Mass--energy equivalence athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-04 11:04 +0000
Re: Mass--energy equivalence nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-08 12:32 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-04 09:19 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-03 08:28 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-03 20:48 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 01:59 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-04 11:59 -0800
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2026-01-03 18:49 +0000
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-01-02 15:13 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-02 16:35 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-01-03 22:06 +0100
Mass--energy equivalence and the atomic bomb (was: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-03 22:28 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence and the atomic bomb "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-01-04 12:42 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence and the atomic bomb nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-04 20:20 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence and the atomic bomb "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-01-04 21:08 +0100
Re: Mass--energy equivalence and the atomic bomb nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-05 13:17 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-01-02 10:33 +0100
Re: Fwd: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-30 15:44 -0800
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2026-01-05 13:17 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Mass--energy equivalence and the atomic bomb |
| Message-ID | <1rogsa2.1txmsngvorbjN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #668035 |
Paul.B.Andersen <relativity@paulba.no> wrote: > Den 04.01.2026 20:20, skrev J. J. Lodder: > > Paul.B.Andersen <relativity@paulba.no> wrote: > > > >> > >> My claim is: > >> There would have been no atomic bomb in 1945 if > >> the nuclear fission of uranium had not been discovered > >> in 1938. > > > > Or without the discovery of the U235 isotope, > > in 1935, by Arthur Jeffrey Dempster. > > > >> The fission was not discovered because someone thought > >> that since E = mc?, it must be possible to release energy > >> by splitting atoms. > > > > Accurate values of nuclear masses had been known > > from mass spectroscopy since sice the 1920s. > > Through this it was already known that there were vast stores of energy > > trapped in all atomic nuclei. (and not just radioactive ones) > > People started speculating about liberating nuclear energy since then. > > (without yet having a clue as to how this might be practically achieved) > > Exactly! > My point was that the equation E = mc^2 was no help > to how to liberate the nuclear energy in matter. As a matter of historical interest, the first SF story which features large amount of 'atomic energy' being released seems to be by H.G. Wells. (1914) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Set_Free> Eddington (1920) already proposed that the energy release of stars might be from nuclear reactions at high temperatures inside. As the 1920-ies progressed the curve of binding energy/nucleon became available through precision mass spectrometry, showing that Iron and Nickel were the most tightly bound elements, and that there huge amounts of bound nuclear energy in every bit of ordinary matter, [1] Jan [1] In other words, E=mc^2 was already 'unproblematic background knowlwdge' among scientists, more than a hundred years ago.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-02 10:33 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mrphb2Frsq8U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #667976 |
Am Donnerstag000001, 01.01.2026 um 14:30 schrieb Paul.B.Andersen: > Den 01.01.2026 10:34, skrev Thomas Heger: >> Am Mittwoch000031, 31.12.2025 um 08:57 schrieb The Starmaker: >> ... >>> >>> https://content.time.com/time/magazine/archive/ >>> covers/1946/1101460701_400.jpg >> >> 'Time' magazine suggested, that Einstein actually invented the atomic >> bomb (or at least its theoretical foundations). > > No. > But the atom bomb proved in a very convincing way > that mass could be converted to energy as > predicted by Einstein's E = mc². > >> >> But I don't see a relation between atomic bombs and Einstein's >> equation (which actually wasn't Einstein's invention). > > There is no way the atom bomb could be invented > from the equation E = mc². > > And Alfred Nobel had never heard of E = mc² when he > invented dynamite. But the detonation of dynamite > is another proof of mass converted to energy. > >> >> Investors of the foundations of atomic bombs were: >> Otto Hahn >> Marie Curie >> Leo Szillard >> Edward Teller >> ... > > Don't forget Lisa Meitner who worked together with Otto Hahn > before the war. Otto Hahn got the Nobel price in chemistry 1944,' > and many thought that it should be shared with Lisa Meitner. Sure, I forgot Lise Meitner. Sorry. But there had certainly been numerous others, who contributed something. ... >>> >>> >>> 1905 refers to theory of relativity. >> >> But the article 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' (commonly >> called SRT) didn't contain that equation. >> >> So: which paper of 1905 actually did? > > https://paulba.no/paper/Einstein_mc2.pdf > Thanks! I have never seen that paper before. TH
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-30 15:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <695463F5.73DE@ix.netcom.com> |
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jojo wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > >> > >>> Thomas Heger wrote: > >>>> Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo: > >>>>> Dawn Flood wrote: > >>>>>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he > >>>>>> may have thought differently about some things?! Agreed?? > >>>>> > >>>>> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have > >>>>> probably become too much for him. > >>>> > >>>> He would have several problems today: > >>> > >>> You completely missed the point again. Granted, it was a weak, trollish > >>> point, easy to miss. > >>> > >>>> 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance > >>>> Quote > >>>> "A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them > >>>> access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to > >>>> restricted areas,.." > >>> > >>> Einstein already did not get a security clearance for working on the > >>> Manhattan Project. > >> > >> Einstein worked in the Swiss patent office in the early 20th century and > >> roughly forty years earlier than the Manhattan Project took place. > >> > >>>> 2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz) > >>>> Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected > >>>> into an office. > >>> > >>> Nonsense. > >>> > >> The patent offices of the world also contain state secrets. > >> > >> This wouldn't be much different in Switzerland. > >> > >> But Einstein was stateless alien and came from Germany. Many Swiss have > >> hostile emotions towards Germany and Germans and are also not very > >> 'philo-semitic'. > >> > >> Therefore, it wouldn't make much sense to assume, that Swiss authorities > >> would have allowed an Einstein to look at their state secrets. > >> > >> A much more plausible assumption would have been, if Einstein's vitae > >> was a fake and he was actually a Swiss agent and should spy on Germany > >> and later in the USA. > >> > >> TH > > > > As I already mentioned before... > > > > Since Albert Einstein worked at a patent office for around ten years.. > > Albert Einstein told all his scientist friends to patent all their > > designs on the > > atomic bomb with complete details on how it works. All 2,000 of the > > patents. (with all the instructions) > > end up at the patent office where anybody (Russian spies) can get a copy > > of it > > and build one in Russia. Anyone, even from a foreign country had access > > to all the > > 2,000 of the atomic bomb patents. > > > > I mean, by they had to invent everything..because it didn't exist. (only > > in Albert Einstein's mind the inventor of the atomic bomb) > > > > There are over 2,000 patents related to the building the atomic bomb. > > (dat is how einstien convince scientist to get paid for helping > > him build it) > > > > > > > > Albert Einstein built another atomic bomb in Russia. And he passed all > > the secrets to Russia. Albert Einstein was The Master Spy! > > > > Of course, everyone he knew were his spies also and he had them pass > > secrets to the Russians. > > > > Albert Einstein secretly passed all the patents to the Russians. All > > 2,000 of the patents. (with all the instructions) > > > > > > The FBI was not aware at that time about the patent office gateway... > > > > > > > > Hell, in those days you didn't need to make a prototype of a patent. > > > > > > ok now that is mad, einstein helping russia build the bomb. You have the right to draw your own conclusions: Albert Einstein was very upset that they were arresting 'all his friends'. I mean, Albert Einstein 'hand picked' every single one of them. Albert Einstein first started to pick scientists who were all members of a communist society group. Then he made sure those 12 scientist hand picked other communists scientists, and so on and so on. Albert Einstein WAS the Master Spy. Albert Einstein transfered *thousands* of atomic secrets to Russia. More than anyone else. The FBI simply wasn't that smart then... This is all they had on him... https://www.paperlessarchives.com/einstein.html?srsltid=AfmBOoqYRusVtSWrSvonQVwZmIixRbJ3rsaV_KrTAw1Z9h6t8cVfXXTc https://vault.fbi.gov/Albert%20Einstein https://www.amazon.com/Albert-Einstein-Files-F-B-I-Vault-ebook/dp/B0B64W78C3 A book reveals the 22-year effort by FBI director J Edgar Hoover to get Albert Einstein arrested as a political subversive or even a Soviet spy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2033324.stm https://twitter.com/Starmaker111/ -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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