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  Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-17 14:44 -0800
    Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-12-17 19:00 -0600
      Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-17 20:03 -0800
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-18 14:22 +0000
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-12-18 10:35 -0600
    Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-18 08:25 +0100
    Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-20 23:25 -0800
      Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2025-12-21 16:50 -0600
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-22 16:24 +0000
          Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-12-22 09:43 -0800
          Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-22 19:07 +0100
          Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-12-24 09:06 +0100
            Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-24 15:57 +0000
            Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-28 06:26 +0100
              Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God jojo <f00@0f0.00f> - 2025-12-28 15:55 +0000
                Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2025-12-28 19:54 +0100
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-12-22 10:10 -0800
      Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-01-31 23:38 -0800
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-01 10:12 -0800
          Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-01 15:28 -0800
            Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-01 18:23 -0800
              Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-01 19:05 -0800
        Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-04 12:47 -0800
          Re: Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-02-04 14:44 -0800
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#667884 — Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God

Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
Einstein believes in.
No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
determined by natural causes. 


God doesn't do Math.

maybe because his math teacher taught gym...

Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
for the freshmen they accepted.

I'm going to Harvard!

BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!

2  plus 2 equal 22
-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#667885

On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
> Einstein believes in.
> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
> determined by natural causes.
> 
> 
> God doesn't do Math.
> 
> maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
> 
> Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
> for the freshmen they accepted.
> 
> I'm going to Harvard!
> 
> BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
> 
> 2  plus 2 equal 22

In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated 
that, "you may call me an agnostic."

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#667888

On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 19:00:27 -0600, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>> Einstein believes in.
>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>> determined by natural causes.
>> 
>> 
>> God doesn't do Math.
>> 
>> maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
>> 
>> Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
>> for the freshmen they accepted.
>> 
>> I'm going to Harvard!
>> 
>> BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
>> 
>> 2  plus 2 equal 22
>
>In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated 
>that, "you may call me an agnostic."

I'm sure Professor Einstein would then say..."I never said I was an
absolute agnostic!"

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#667894

The Starmaker wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 19:00:27 -0600, Dawn Flood
> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>> Einstein believes in.
>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>> determined by natural causes.
>>>
>>>
>>> God doesn't do Math.
>>>
>>> maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
>>>
>>> Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
>>> for the freshmen they accepted.
>>>
>>> I'm going to Harvard!
>>>
>>> BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
>>>
>>> 2  plus 2 equal 22
>>
>> In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated
>> that, "you may call me an agnostic."
> 
> I'm sure Professor Einstein would then say..."I never said I was an
> absolute agnostic!"
> 

professor einstein had head lice.

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#667896

On 12/17/2025 10:03 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 19:00:27 -0600, Dawn Flood
> <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 12/17/2025 4:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>> Einstein believes in.
>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>> determined by natural causes.
>>>
>>>
>>> God doesn't do Math.
>>>
>>> maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
>>>
>>> Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
>>> for the freshmen they accepted.
>>>
>>> I'm going to Harvard!
>>>
>>> BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
>>>
>>> 2  plus 2 equal 22
>>
>> In his very last letter just before he died, Professor Einstein stated
>> that, "you may call me an agnostic."
> 
> I'm sure Professor Einstein would then say..."I never said I was an
> absolute agnostic!"

Not many atheists are!  See Professor Richard Dawkins' "The God 
Delusion"; here's a shorter summary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability

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#667891

Am Mittwoch000017, 17.12.2025 um 23:44 schrieb The Starmaker:
> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
> Einstein believes in.
> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
> determined by natural causes.
> 
> 
> God doesn't do Math.
> 
> maybe because his math teacher taught gym...
> 
> Harvard’s Department of Mathematics is starting a baby math section
> for the freshmen they accepted.
> 
> I'm going to Harvard!
> 
> BABY MATH! I KNOW DAT STUFF!!
> 
> 2  plus 2 equal 22


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh3Yz3PiXZw

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#667907

On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>Einstein believes in.
>No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>determined by natural causes. 
>

Here are some quotes by Albert Einstein  that appear to me was
influenced by  Spinoza's God:

If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the
earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly
convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the
strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being,
endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching
man and his doings, smile about man's illusion that he was acting
according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein
 
  
I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what
he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all
situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of
others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the
lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too
seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my
temper.
Albert Einstein
 
  
Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free
agents but are as causally bound as the stars in their motion.
Albert Einstein
 
  
So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect
intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man's illusion
that he was acting according to his own free will.
Albert Einstein
 
  

I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are
concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an
unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he
does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets.
Albert Einstein
 
  
I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free
will...Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom
of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I
must act as if man is a responsible being.
Albert Einstein
 
  
I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews
believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I
reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew.
Albert Einstein
 

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#667920

On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>> Einstein believes in.
>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>> determined by natural causes.

Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he may 
have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??

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#667922

Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , 
>>> the God
>>> Einstein believes in.
>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>> determined by natural causes.
> 
> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, 
> he may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??

he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because 
requirements have probably become too much for him.

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#667923

On 12/22/2025 08:24 AM, jojo wrote:
> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>>> Einstein believes in.
>>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>>> determined by natural causes.
>>
>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he
>> may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
>
> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have
> probably become too much for him.
>

Maybe the Mrs. could do it.


If Spinoza wasn't a Calvinist it's almost as bad, instead of
"human animals are born sinners" it's "human animals are
born enemies", there's not much difference at all between
Spinoza's and Calvin's ethics in that sense, though it may
reflect a sort of practicality, then that if there's
Spinoza and Augustine, and about moral absolutism and
relativism, has that one can entertain monotheism and
science together while still making for moral absolutism
and free will as essentially an exercise in fairness and
the various notions of golden rule.


I.e., "Einstein's G-d as Spinoza's G-d", just refers to
the idea of there not being intercession, while yet though
that's just the omni and supreme of the super-scientific
the super-natural, whatever is those things of this sort
of perfection, is those things of those sorts of perfection.


Somehow Buridan's Donkey never goes hungry, ....


One imagines that Einstein today would have that
"you know when I say PDE everywhere, what I really
mean is in a system already defined by continuous
transforms everywhere and integral, with integrity",
though I guess that's what he was working on
"total field theory".


Anyways Duns Scotus has the infinitary part already,
while though Spinoza's contribution in mathematics
is along those lines.

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#667924

jojo wrote:
> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion)

Oversimplified.

>>> is called Spinoza's God , 

No.  Instead, Einstein subscribed to an idea of "God" the same as the Dutch
philosopher, Baruch Spinoza (who was excommunicated by the Jewish community
of Amsterdam because of that).

>>>> the God Einstein believes in.

"Belief" should not be understood in terms of "religion" here.  Einstein was
an atheist (by his own account), an agnostic at best (also by his own
account).  He often referred to that "god" tongue-in-cheek as "der Alte"
(German for "the Old Man").  That is not what a true believer in a deity
would do.

>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>>> determined by natural causes.

That is only part of what Spinoza's idea of "God" is all about.  It is
mainly about that "God" would be manifested in all things (without having
created the Universe; and not all attributes of "God" would be manifested);
but they would not communicate with humans, would not consider them or Earth
special, would not have a plan for them or any individual, nor would they
exert any subsequent influence on the Universe.

It is an ongoing discussion whether that makes Spinoza an atheist; but if
so, then Einstein, who by his own account subscribed to that worldview, was
an atheist, too.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Pantheism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Spinoza#Metaphysics>

>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, 
>> he may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
> 
> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because 
> requirements have probably become too much for him.

*facepalm*

Under which rock does one have to live to reduce Einstein to that job?

Albert Einstein (1879-1955) only worked at the Swiss Patent Office for 7
years (!) of his life (1902-1909), and from at least 1905 on his friend
Michele Besso did most of his work there (by Einstein's design, and Besso
happily did it) as that was only a fallback as he could not earn enough
money as a private teacher to support his wife and newborn son.  As Besso
was doing his work *and* Einstein's, Einstein had more time to develop his
theories, which they talked about after work (especially Besso's support in
developing special relativity is well-documented by Einstein in a "thank
you" note at the end of the first paper on that).

Most of his life, from 1908 on, Einstein worked as a university professor of
Physics and as a theoretical physicist.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Life_and_career>

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#667934

Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>>> Einstein believes in.
>>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>>> determined by natural causes.
>>
>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he 
>> may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
> 
> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have 
> probably become too much for him.
> 

He would have several problems today:

1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
Quote
"A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them 
access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to 
restricted areas,.."

2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected 
into an office.
The question would be, whether or not Einstein would be eligible today.

3)https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta/eu-efta_buerger_schweiz.html

It would be next to impossible for Einstein today, to enter, go to 
school, study and work in Switzerland as stateless alien.

4) he was actually educated as a teacher. Most likely this wouldn't be 
sufficient for the patent office today.


TH

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#667936

Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , 
>>>>> the God
>>>>> Einstein believes in.
>>>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices 
>>>>> are
>>>>> determined by natural causes.
>>>
>>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive 
>>> today, he may have thought differently about some things?!  
>>> Agreed??
>>
>> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because 
>> requirements have probably become too much for him.
>>
> 
> He would have several problems today:
> 
> 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
> Quote
> "A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing 
> them access to classified information (state or organizational 
> secrets) or to restricted areas,.."
> 
> 2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
> Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be 
> elected into an office.
> The question would be, whether or not Einstein would be eligible 
> today.
> 
> 3)https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/themen/fza_schweiz-eu-efta/eu-efta_buerger_schweiz.html 
> 
> 
> It would be next to impossible for Einstein today, to enter, go 
> to school, study and work in Switzerland as stateless alien.
> 
> 4) he was actually educated as a teacher. Most likely this 
> wouldn't be sufficient for the patent office today.
> 
> 
> TH

my guess is that he would have gone into techno and dj'ing. he 
would study math and physics during the day and mix <insert 
adjective> beats at night.

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#667939

Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he 
>>> may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
>>
>> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have 
>> probably become too much for him.
> 
> He would have several problems today:

You completely missed the point again.  Granted, it was a weak, trollish
point, easy to miss.

> 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
> Quote
> "A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them 
> access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to 
> restricted areas,.."

Einstein already did not get a security clearance for working on the
Manhattan Project.

> 2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
> Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected 
> into an office.

Nonsense.

F'up2 poster

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#667941

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am Montag000022, 22.12.2025 um 17:24 schrieb jojo:
>>> Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>> Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he
>>>> may have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??
>>>
>>> he wouldnt be able to get the patent clerk job because requirements have
>>> probably become too much for him.
>>
>> He would have several problems today:
> 
> You completely missed the point again.  Granted, it was a weak, trollish
> point, easy to miss.
> 
>> 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance
>> Quote
>> "A security clearance is a status granted to individuals allowing them
>> access to classified information (state or organizational secrets) or to
>> restricted areas,.."
> 
> Einstein already did not get a security clearance for working on the
> Manhattan Project.
> 
>> 2)https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamter_(Schweiz)
>> Switzerland has no 'Beamte' like in Germany. But you need to be elected
>> into an office.
> 
> Nonsense.
> 
> F'up2 poster
> 

i'm confused.. are you replying to yourself???

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#667947

jojo wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
                       ^^^^
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
          ^^^^^
>> [...]
> 
> i'm confused.. are you replying to yourself???

Probably someone has told you that before: You need to read more carefully.

F'up2 poster again

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#667925

On Sun, 21 Dec 2025 16:50:27 -0600, Dawn Flood
<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/21/2025 1:25 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>> Einstein believes in.
>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>> determined by natural causes.
>
>Professor Einstein died 75 years ago; now, if he was alive today, he may 
>have thought differently about some things?!  Agreed??

Well, if he changes his mind about something, it certaintly would not
be under his own free will.

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#668456

On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 23:25:14 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>Einstein believes in.
>>No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>determined by natural causes. 
>>
>
>Here are some quotes by Albert Einstein  that appear to me was
>influenced by  Spinoza's God:
>
>If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the
>earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly
>convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the
>strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being,
>endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching
>man and his doings, smile about man's illusion that he was acting
>according to his own free will.
>Albert Einstein
> 
>  
>I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what
>he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all
>situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of
>others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the
>lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too
>seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my
>temper.
>Albert Einstein
> 
>  
>Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free
>agents but are as causally bound as the stars in their motion.
>Albert Einstein
> 
>  
>So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect
>intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man's illusion
>that he was acting according to his own free will.
>Albert Einstein
> 
>  
>
>I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are
>concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an
>unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he
>does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets.
>Albert Einstein
> 
>  
>I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free
>will...Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom
>of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I
>must act as if man is a responsible being.
>Albert Einstein
> 
>  
>I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews
>believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I
>reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew.
>Albert Einstein
> 


More...I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. 


"In a sense," he added, "we can hold no one responsible. I am a
determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews believe
in free will—they believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that
doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew."  

 "Don’t you believe that man is a free agent, at least in a limited
sense?"  

 Einstein smiled ingratiatingly. "I believe with Schopenhauer: *We can
do what we wish, but we can only wish what we must.* Practically, I am
nevertheless compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I
wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a
responsible being.  

 "I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his
crime; nevertheless, I must protect myself from unpleasant contacts. I
may consider him guiltless, but I prefer not to take tea with him."  

 "Do you mean to say that you did not choose your own career, but that
your actions were predetermined by some power outside yourself?"  

 **The Danger of Too Much Analysis**  

 "My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by
various factors over which I have no control—primarily those
mysterious glands in which Nature prepares the very essence of life:
our internal secretions."  

 "It may interest you," I interjected, "that Henry Ford once told me
he, too, did not carve out his own life, but that all his actions were
determined by an inner voice."  

 "Ford," Einstein replied, "may call it his inner voice. Socrates
referred to it as his *daimon.* We moderns prefer to speak of our
glands or internal secretions. Each explains in his own way the
undeniable fact that the human will is not free."  

 "Don’t you deliberately ignore all psychic factors in human
development? What, for instance," I asked, "is your attitude toward
the subconscious? According to Freud, psychic events registered
indelibly in our nether mind make and mar our lives."  

 "Whereas materialistic historians and philosophers neglect psychic
realities, Freud is inclined to overstress their importance. I am not
a psychologist, but it seems to me fairly evident that physiological
factors—especially our endocrines—control our destiny."  

 "Then you do not believe in psychoanalysis?"  

 "I am not," Einstein modestly replied, "able to venture a judgment on
so important a phase of modern thought. However, it seems to me that
psychoanalysis is not always salutary. It may not always be helpful to
delve into the subconscious. The machinery of our legs is controlled
by a hundred different muscles. Do you think it would help us to walk
if we analyzed our legs and knew exactly which of the little muscles
must be employed in locomotion and the order in which they work?  

 "Perhaps," he added with the whimsical smile that sometimes lights up
the somber pools of his eyes like a will-o’-the-wisp, "you remember
the story of the toad and the centipede? The centipede was very proud
of having one hundred legs. His neighbor, the toad, was much depressed
because he had only four. One day, a diabolic inspiration prompted the
toad to write a letter to the centipede as follows:  

 *Honored Sir: Can you tell me which one of your hundred legs you move
first when you transfer your distinguished body from one place to
another, and in what order you move the other ninety-nine legs?*  

 "When the centipede received this letter, he began to think. He tried
first one leg, then another. Finally, to his consternation, he
discovered that he was unable to move a single leg. He could no longer
walk at all—he was paralyzed!  

 "It is possible," Einstein concluded, "that analysis may paralyze our
mental and emotional processes in a similar manner."  

 "Are you then an opponent of Freud?"  

 "By no means. I am not prepared to accept all his conclusions, but I
consider his work an immensely valuable contribution to the science of
human behavior. I think he is even greater as a writer than as a
psychologist. Freud’s brilliant style is unsurpassed by anyone since
Schopenhauer."  

 There was a pause, filled by more fruit salad and strawberry juice.  

 "Is there," I resumed the conversation, "such a thing as progress in
the story of human effort?"  

 "The only progress I can see is progress in organization. The
ordinary human being does not live long enough to draw any substantial
benefit from his own experience. And no one, it seems, can benefit by
the experiences of others. Being both a father and a teacher, I know
we can teach our children nothing. We can transmit to them neither our
knowledge of life nor of mathematics. Each must learn its lesson
anew."  

 "But," I interjected, "nature crystallizes our experiences. The
experiences of one generation are the instincts of the next."  

 "Ah," Einstein remarked, "that is true. But it takes Nature ten
thousand or ten million years to transmit inherited experiences or
characteristics. It must have taken the bees and the ants aeons before
they learned to adapt themselves so marvelously to their environments.
Human beings, alas, seem to learn more slowly than insects."  

 "Do you think that mankind will eventually evolve the superman?"  

 "If so," Einstein replied, "it will be a matter of millions of
years."  

 "You don’t agree with Nietzsche’s sister that Mussolini is the
superman prophesied by her brother?"  

 Again a smile illuminated Einstein’s features, but it was not as
jovial as before. A pacifist and internationalist, Einstein is the
very antithesis of the dictator. Although he denies the freedom of the
will philosophically, Einstein resents any attempt to circumscribe
still further the limited sphere within which the human will may exert
itself with the illusion of freedom.  

 "If we owe so little to the experience of others, how do you account
for sudden leaps forward in the sphere of science? Do you ascribe your
own discoveries to intuition or inspiration?"  

 **The Meaning of Mankind**  

 "I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am
right; I do not *know* that I am. When two expeditions of scientists,
financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of
relativity, I was convinced their conclusions would tally with my
hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919
confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been
wrong."  

 "Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?"  

 "I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited.
Imagination encircles the world."  

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#668464

On 01/31/2026 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 23:25:14 -0800, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>> Einstein believes in.
>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>> determined by natural causes.
>>>
>>
>> Here are some quotes by Albert Einstein  that appear to me was
>> influenced by  Spinoza's God:
>>
>> If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the
>> earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly
>> convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the
>> strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being,
>> endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching
>> man and his doings, smile about man's illusion that he was acting
>> according to his own free will.
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what
>> he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all
>> situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of
>> others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the
>> lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too
>> seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my
>> temper.
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free
>> agents but are as causally bound as the stars in their motion.
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect
>> intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man's illusion
>> that he was acting according to his own free will.
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are
>> concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an
>> unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he
>> does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets.
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free
>> will...Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom
>> of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I
>> must act as if man is a responsible being.
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>>
>> I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews
>> believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I
>> reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew.
>> Albert Einstein
>>
>
>
> More...I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will.
>
>
> "In a sense," he added, "we can hold no one responsible. I am a
> determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews believe
> in free will—they believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that
> doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew."
>
>   "Don’t you believe that man is a free agent, at least in a limited
> sense?"
>
>   Einstein smiled ingratiatingly. "I believe with Schopenhauer: *We can
> do what we wish, but we can only wish what we must.* Practically, I am
> nevertheless compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I
> wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a
> responsible being.
>
>   "I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his
> crime; nevertheless, I must protect myself from unpleasant contacts. I
> may consider him guiltless, but I prefer not to take tea with him."
>
>   "Do you mean to say that you did not choose your own career, but that
> your actions were predetermined by some power outside yourself?"
>
>   **The Danger of Too Much Analysis**
>
>   "My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by
> various factors over which I have no control—primarily those
> mysterious glands in which Nature prepares the very essence of life:
> our internal secretions."
>
>   "It may interest you," I interjected, "that Henry Ford once told me
> he, too, did not carve out his own life, but that all his actions were
> determined by an inner voice."
>
>   "Ford," Einstein replied, "may call it his inner voice. Socrates
> referred to it as his *daimon.* We moderns prefer to speak of our
> glands or internal secretions. Each explains in his own way the
> undeniable fact that the human will is not free."
>
>   "Don’t you deliberately ignore all psychic factors in human
> development? What, for instance," I asked, "is your attitude toward
> the subconscious? According to Freud, psychic events registered
> indelibly in our nether mind make and mar our lives."
>
>   "Whereas materialistic historians and philosophers neglect psychic
> realities, Freud is inclined to overstress their importance. I am not
> a psychologist, but it seems to me fairly evident that physiological
> factors—especially our endocrines—control our destiny."
>
>   "Then you do not believe in psychoanalysis?"
>
>   "I am not," Einstein modestly replied, "able to venture a judgment on
> so important a phase of modern thought. However, it seems to me that
> psychoanalysis is not always salutary. It may not always be helpful to
> delve into the subconscious. The machinery of our legs is controlled
> by a hundred different muscles. Do you think it would help us to walk
> if we analyzed our legs and knew exactly which of the little muscles
> must be employed in locomotion and the order in which they work?
>
>   "Perhaps," he added with the whimsical smile that sometimes lights up
> the somber pools of his eyes like a will-o’-the-wisp, "you remember
> the story of the toad and the centipede? The centipede was very proud
> of having one hundred legs. His neighbor, the toad, was much depressed
> because he had only four. One day, a diabolic inspiration prompted the
> toad to write a letter to the centipede as follows:
>
>   *Honored Sir: Can you tell me which one of your hundred legs you move
> first when you transfer your distinguished body from one place to
> another, and in what order you move the other ninety-nine legs?*
>
>   "When the centipede received this letter, he began to think. He tried
> first one leg, then another. Finally, to his consternation, he
> discovered that he was unable to move a single leg. He could no longer
> walk at all—he was paralyzed!
>
>   "It is possible," Einstein concluded, "that analysis may paralyze our
> mental and emotional processes in a similar manner."
>
>   "Are you then an opponent of Freud?"
>
>   "By no means. I am not prepared to accept all his conclusions, but I
> consider his work an immensely valuable contribution to the science of
> human behavior. I think he is even greater as a writer than as a
> psychologist. Freud’s brilliant style is unsurpassed by anyone since
> Schopenhauer."
>
>   There was a pause, filled by more fruit salad and strawberry juice.
>
>   "Is there," I resumed the conversation, "such a thing as progress in
> the story of human effort?"
>
>   "The only progress I can see is progress in organization. The
> ordinary human being does not live long enough to draw any substantial
> benefit from his own experience. And no one, it seems, can benefit by
> the experiences of others. Being both a father and a teacher, I know
> we can teach our children nothing. We can transmit to them neither our
> knowledge of life nor of mathematics. Each must learn its lesson
> anew."
>
>   "But," I interjected, "nature crystallizes our experiences. The
> experiences of one generation are the instincts of the next."
>
>   "Ah," Einstein remarked, "that is true. But it takes Nature ten
> thousand or ten million years to transmit inherited experiences or
> characteristics. It must have taken the bees and the ants aeons before
> they learned to adapt themselves so marvelously to their environments.
> Human beings, alas, seem to learn more slowly than insects."
>
>   "Do you think that mankind will eventually evolve the superman?"
>
>   "If so," Einstein replied, "it will be a matter of millions of
> years."
>
>   "You don’t agree with Nietzsche’s sister that Mussolini is the
> superman prophesied by her brother?"
>
>   Again a smile illuminated Einstein’s features, but it was not as
> jovial as before. A pacifist and internationalist, Einstein is the
> very antithesis of the dictator. Although he denies the freedom of the
> will philosophically, Einstein resents any attempt to circumscribe
> still further the limited sphere within which the human will may exert
> itself with the illusion of freedom.
>
>   "If we owe so little to the experience of others, how do you account
> for sudden leaps forward in the sphere of science? Do you ascribe your
> own discoveries to intuition or inspiration?"
>
>   **The Meaning of Mankind**
>
>   "I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am
> right; I do not *know* that I am. When two expeditions of scientists,
> financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of
> relativity, I was convinced their conclusions would tally with my
> hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919
> confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been
> wrong."
>
>   "Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?"
>
>   "I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
> Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited.
> Imagination encircles the world."
>
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>   to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>   the unchallengeable.
>

The idea that "true determinism" and "free will" make a contradiction
is not necessarily so, instead a proper juxtaposition, contradistinction.

That nature is continuous and so as far as us finite creatures
in the mesoscale may interpret our views of the macroscale and
microscale, that it's "indistinguishable" from random, still
has that the modern data suggests it's also always the same laws.


That individuals have free will while yet there's a system of
the world, is most certainly agreeable since that diversity
and variety make for that individuals are distinct and unique,
while each in a world of thinking and feeling beings,
there are individuals.

It's like something Einstein might have said:
"G-d only had to roll one die, once,
and it's still rolling."

Einstein didn't exactly say "G-d does not roll dice."


These days sometimes one might browse the giant boob tube,
which though with the public access aspect has had a very
democratizing effect, in the sense of the popular, peupular, vis-a-vis
the usual Aristotlian definition of "democracy" as "rule of law",
that though the "AI Avatars of Feynman" or something like that,
are pretty much incomplete and shallow simulacrums (simulacra), i.e.,
failing the Turing simulacrum test. They don't have "the intuition"
and just re-hash the boiled-down.

So, having a pretty thorough account of "de res de racio de natura de
re", the reasoned rationality of nature the real, is pretty simple
once you get a paradox-free reason about principles of sufficient
and thorough reason and a strong mathematical platonism for a
strong logicist positivism for a strong mathematical universe
hypothesis.

Then, there's order and structure in nature, including that
life in it is as of individuals. Aristotle's definition of
"entropy" and Leibnitz' definition of "entropy" are opposites.


It's a continuum mechanics, ....

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#668474

On Sun, 1 Feb 2026 10:12:58 -0800, Ross Finlayson
<ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 01/31/2026 11:38 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 23:25:14 -0800, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 14:44:12 -0800, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Einstein's God (a cosmic religion) is called Spinoza's God , the God
>>>> Einstein believes in.
>>>> No Free Will   , human free will is an illusion; our choices are
>>>> determined by natural causes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Here are some quotes by Albert Einstein  that appear to me was
>>> influenced by  Spinoza's God:
>>>
>>> If the moon, in the act of completing its eternal way around the
>>> earth, were gifted with self-consciousness, it would feel thoroughly
>>> convinced that it was traveling its way of its own accord on the
>>> strength of a resolution taken once and for all. So would a Being,
>>> endowed with higher insight and more perfect intelligence, watching
>>> man and his doings, smile about man's illusion that he was acting
>>> according to his own free will.
>>> Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>> I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what
>>> he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,' accompany me in all
>>> situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of
>>> others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the
>>> lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too
>>> seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my
>>> temper.
>>> Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>> Human beings, in their thinking, feeling and acting are not free
>>> agents but are as causally bound as the stars in their motion.
>>> Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>> So would a Being, endowed with higher insight and more perfect
>>> intelligence, watching man and his doings, smile about man's illusion
>>> that he was acting according to his own free will.
>>> Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are
>>> concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an
>>> unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he
>>> does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets.
>>> Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free
>>> will...Practically, I am, nevertheless, compelled to act as if freedom
>>> of the will existed. If I wish to live in a civilized community, I
>>> must act as if man is a responsible being.
>>> Albert Einstein
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews
>>> believe in free will. They believe that man shapes his own life. I
>>> reject that doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew.
>>> Albert Einstein
>>>
>>
>>
>> More...I am a determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will.
>>
>>
>> "In a sense," he added, "we can hold no one responsible. I am a
>> determinist. As such, I do not believe in free will. The Jews believe
>> in free will—they believe that man shapes his own life. I reject that
>> doctrine philosophically. In that respect I am not a Jew."
>>
>>   "Don’t you believe that man is a free agent, at least in a limited
>> sense?"
>>
>>   Einstein smiled ingratiatingly. "I believe with Schopenhauer: *We can
>> do what we wish, but we can only wish what we must.* Practically, I am
>> nevertheless compelled to act as if freedom of the will existed. If I
>> wish to live in a civilized community, I must act as if man is a
>> responsible being.
>>
>>   "I know that philosophically a murderer is not responsible for his
>> crime; nevertheless, I must protect myself from unpleasant contacts. I
>> may consider him guiltless, but I prefer not to take tea with him."
>>
>>   "Do you mean to say that you did not choose your own career, but that
>> your actions were predetermined by some power outside yourself?"
>>
>>   **The Danger of Too Much Analysis**
>>
>>   "My own career was undoubtedly determined not by my own will, but by
>> various factors over which I have no control—primarily those
>> mysterious glands in which Nature prepares the very essence of life:
>> our internal secretions."
>>
>>   "It may interest you," I interjected, "that Henry Ford once told me
>> he, too, did not carve out his own life, but that all his actions were
>> determined by an inner voice."
>>
>>   "Ford," Einstein replied, "may call it his inner voice. Socrates
>> referred to it as his *daimon.* We moderns prefer to speak of our
>> glands or internal secretions. Each explains in his own way the
>> undeniable fact that the human will is not free."
>>
>>   "Don’t you deliberately ignore all psychic factors in human
>> development? What, for instance," I asked, "is your attitude toward
>> the subconscious? According to Freud, psychic events registered
>> indelibly in our nether mind make and mar our lives."
>>
>>   "Whereas materialistic historians and philosophers neglect psychic
>> realities, Freud is inclined to overstress their importance. I am not
>> a psychologist, but it seems to me fairly evident that physiological
>> factors—especially our endocrines—control our destiny."
>>
>>   "Then you do not believe in psychoanalysis?"
>>
>>   "I am not," Einstein modestly replied, "able to venture a judgment on
>> so important a phase of modern thought. However, it seems to me that
>> psychoanalysis is not always salutary. It may not always be helpful to
>> delve into the subconscious. The machinery of our legs is controlled
>> by a hundred different muscles. Do you think it would help us to walk
>> if we analyzed our legs and knew exactly which of the little muscles
>> must be employed in locomotion and the order in which they work?
>>
>>   "Perhaps," he added with the whimsical smile that sometimes lights up
>> the somber pools of his eyes like a will-o’-the-wisp, "you remember
>> the story of the toad and the centipede? The centipede was very proud
>> of having one hundred legs. His neighbor, the toad, was much depressed
>> because he had only four. One day, a diabolic inspiration prompted the
>> toad to write a letter to the centipede as follows:
>>
>>   *Honored Sir: Can you tell me which one of your hundred legs you move
>> first when you transfer your distinguished body from one place to
>> another, and in what order you move the other ninety-nine legs?*
>>
>>   "When the centipede received this letter, he began to think. He tried
>> first one leg, then another. Finally, to his consternation, he
>> discovered that he was unable to move a single leg. He could no longer
>> walk at all—he was paralyzed!
>>
>>   "It is possible," Einstein concluded, "that analysis may paralyze our
>> mental and emotional processes in a similar manner."
>>
>>   "Are you then an opponent of Freud?"
>>
>>   "By no means. I am not prepared to accept all his conclusions, but I
>> consider his work an immensely valuable contribution to the science of
>> human behavior. I think he is even greater as a writer than as a
>> psychologist. Freud’s brilliant style is unsurpassed by anyone since
>> Schopenhauer."
>>
>>   There was a pause, filled by more fruit salad and strawberry juice.
>>
>>   "Is there," I resumed the conversation, "such a thing as progress in
>> the story of human effort?"
>>
>>   "The only progress I can see is progress in organization. The
>> ordinary human being does not live long enough to draw any substantial
>> benefit from his own experience. And no one, it seems, can benefit by
>> the experiences of others. Being both a father and a teacher, I know
>> we can teach our children nothing. We can transmit to them neither our
>> knowledge of life nor of mathematics. Each must learn its lesson
>> anew."
>>
>>   "But," I interjected, "nature crystallizes our experiences. The
>> experiences of one generation are the instincts of the next."
>>
>>   "Ah," Einstein remarked, "that is true. But it takes Nature ten
>> thousand or ten million years to transmit inherited experiences or
>> characteristics. It must have taken the bees and the ants aeons before
>> they learned to adapt themselves so marvelously to their environments.
>> Human beings, alas, seem to learn more slowly than insects."
>>
>>   "Do you think that mankind will eventually evolve the superman?"
>>
>>   "If so," Einstein replied, "it will be a matter of millions of
>> years."
>>
>>   "You don’t agree with Nietzsche’s sister that Mussolini is the
>> superman prophesied by her brother?"
>>
>>   Again a smile illuminated Einstein’s features, but it was not as
>> jovial as before. A pacifist and internationalist, Einstein is the
>> very antithesis of the dictator. Although he denies the freedom of the
>> will philosophically, Einstein resents any attempt to circumscribe
>> still further the limited sphere within which the human will may exert
>> itself with the illusion of freedom.
>>
>>   "If we owe so little to the experience of others, how do you account
>> for sudden leaps forward in the sphere of science? Do you ascribe your
>> own discoveries to intuition or inspiration?"
>>
>>   **The Meaning of Mankind**
>>
>>   "I believe in intuitions and inspirations. I sometimes feel that I am
>> right; I do not *know* that I am. When two expeditions of scientists,
>> financed by the Royal Academy, went forth to test my theory of
>> relativity, I was convinced their conclusions would tally with my
>> hypothesis. I was not surprised when the eclipse of May 29, 1919
>> confirmed my intuitions. I would have been surprised if I had been
>> wrong."
>>
>>   "Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge?"
>>
>>   "I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination.
>> Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited.
>> Imagination encircles the world."
>>
>> --
>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>>   to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>>   the unchallengeable.
>>
>
>The idea that "true determinism" and "free will" make a contradiction
>is not necessarily so, instead a proper juxtaposition, contradistinction.
>
>That nature is continuous and so as far as us finite creatures
>in the mesoscale may interpret our views of the macroscale and
>microscale, that it's "indistinguishable" from random, still
>has that the modern data suggests it's also always the same laws.
>
>
>That individuals have free will while yet there's a system of
>the world, is most certainly agreeable since that diversity
>and variety make for that individuals are distinct and unique,
>while each in a world of thinking and feeling beings,
>there are individuals.
>
>It's like something Einstein might have said:
>"G-d only had to roll one die, once,
>and it's still rolling."
>
>Einstein didn't exactly say "G-d does not roll dice."
>
>
>These days sometimes one might browse the giant boob tube,
>which though with the public access aspect has had a very
>democratizing effect, in the sense of the popular, peupular, vis-a-vis
>the usual Aristotlian definition of "democracy" as "rule of law",
>that though the "AI Avatars of Feynman" or something like that,
>are pretty much incomplete and shallow simulacrums (simulacra), i.e.,
>failing the Turing simulacrum test. They don't have "the intuition"
>and just re-hash the boiled-down.
>
>So, having a pretty thorough account of "de res de racio de natura de
>re", the reasoned rationality of nature the real, is pretty simple
>once you get a paradox-free reason about principles of sufficient
>and thorough reason and a strong mathematical platonism for a
>strong logicist positivism for a strong mathematical universe
>hypothesis.
>
>Then, there's order and structure in nature, including that
>life in it is as of individuals. Aristotle's definition of
>"entropy" and Leibnitz' definition of "entropy" are opposites.
>
>
>It's a continuum mechanics, ....
>
>
>
>
>
>


What most people are NOT aware of in this newsgroup is that...

determinist and Relativity are one of the same.


they both have the exact same meaning.


So, when Einstein sez 
 I am a determinist. As such,..

he is also saying  'I am a Relativist. As such,'

they are both the same thing...

I guess nobody invented the word 'relativity' then...

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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