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  Re: Time dilation question: kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-02 11:35 -0700
    Re: Time dilation question: Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2015-08-02 21:35 -0700
      Re: Time dilation question: Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 09:10 -0500
        Re: Time dilation question: Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:36 +0200
          Re: Time dilation question: Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-03 15:13 +0000
            Re: Time dilation question: Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-03 08:26 -0700
              Re: Time dilation question: Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-03 15:33 +0000
            Re: Time dilation question: Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 17:55 +0200
              Re: Time dilation question: Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-03 16:06 +0000
        Re: Time dilation question: Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2015-08-03 09:37 -0700
          Re: Time dilation question: Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 11:41 -0500
            Re: Time dilation question: Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 11:11 -0700
              Re: Time dilation question: Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 14:33 -0500

#359460 — Re: Time dilation question:

On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:42:56 AM UTC-4, Fritz Köhler wrote:
> kenseto wrote:
> 
> > On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 8:19:01 AM UTC-4, ikshvaku wrote:
> >> Spacecraft A sees spacecraft B travelling at speed x*c and finds >that
> >> clock on B is running slow, 1 second on A is equal to 1 year
> >>on B.
> >  
> > That's the problem with SR. According to A: He uses the SR formula and
> > predicts that 1 second on A is equal to 1 year on B. According to B: He
> > uses the same SR formula and predicts that 1 second on B is equal to 1
> > year on A. Obviously both of these predictions cannot be correct.
> 
> Both are identical, can't you read your own wording. It's about your world 
> perspective.

No.... both are not identical. If they were they would  accumulate different number of clock seconds between meetings.


 Are you an A or a B? Please remark the conjunction *or*, it 
> should rather be exclusive or *xor*. Very important, may never be *and*. 
> Git it now?

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#359482

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 7:35:54 PM UTC+1, kenseto wrote:
> On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 9:42:56 AM UTC-4, Fritz Köhler wrote:
> > kenseto wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 8:19:01 AM UTC-4, ikshvaku wrote:
> > 
> > >> Spacecraft A sees spacecraft B travelling at speed x*c and finds >that
> > >> clock on B is running slow, 1 second on A is equal to 1 year
> > >>on B.
> > >  
> > > That's the problem with SR. According to A: He uses the SR formula and
> > > predicts that 1 second on A is equal to 1 year on B. According to B: He
> > > uses the same SR formula and predicts that 1 second on B is equal to 1
> > > year on A. Obviously both of these predictions cannot be correct.

They can, there is no contradiction with multiverses.

> > Both are identical, can't you read your own wording. It's about your world 
> > perspective.
> 
> No.... both are not identical. If they were they would [not] accumulate different number of clock seconds between meetings.

Most people do not really reason, and the mistake was in Einstein's 1905 paper already...

Julio

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#359507

On 8/2/2015 11:35 PM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> Most people do not really reason,

Julio, this is one of your largest mistakes, thinking that people are 
generally stupid and unthinking, and that therefore you have an 
advantage over most people. That's a very dangerous self-delusion.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#359511

On 08/03/2015 04:10 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/2/2015 11:35 PM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>> Most people do not really reason,
> 
> Julio, this is one of your largest mistakes, thinking that people are 
> generally stupid and unthinking, and that therefore you have an 
> advantage over most people. That's a very dangerous self-delusion.
> 

Fooling oneself is easier than fooling others.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

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#359514

Poutnik wrote:

> On 08/03/2015 04:10 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/2/2015 11:35 PM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>>> Most people do not really reason,
>> 
>> Julio, this is one of your largest mistakes, thinking that people are
>> generally stupid and unthinking, and that therefore you have an
>> advantage over most people. That's a very dangerous self-delusion.
>> 
> Fooling oneself is easier than fooling others.

How do you know that?

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#359519

On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 9:13:22 AM UTC-6, Bohuš Matuška wrote:
>
> Poutnik wrote:
> >
> > Fooling oneself is easier than fooling others.
> 
> How do you know that?

Because Saint Richard of Feynman said so:

“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the
easiest person to fool.” -- Richard P. Feynman

And you prove it every time you shift your 'nym.  No one else is fooled
by your stupidity.

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#359521

Gary Harnagel wrote:

> On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 9:13:22 AM UTC-6, Bohuš Matuška wrote:
>>
>> Poutnik wrote:
>> >
>> > Fooling oneself is easier than fooling others.
>> 
>> How do you know that?
> 
> Because Saint Richard of Feynman said so:
> 
> “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the
> easiest person to fool.” -- Richard P. Feynman

You just proved that you applied this lemma on yourself. Hard to see, It 
must be your poker face.

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#359525

On 08/03/2015 05:13 PM, Bohuš Matuška wrote:
> Poutnik wrote:
> 
>> On 08/03/2015 04:10 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2015 11:35 PM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>>>> Most people do not really reason,
>>>
>>> Julio, this is one of your largest mistakes, thinking that people are
>>> generally stupid and unthinking, and that therefore you have an
>>> advantage over most people. That's a very dangerous self-delusion.
>>>
>> Fooling oneself is easier than fooling others.
> 
> How do you know that?
> 

Those who do not know that are fooling themselves right now.

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself
and you are the easiest person to fool."

                Richard P. Feynman

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

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#359526

Poutnik wrote:

> On 08/03/2015 05:13 PM, Bohuš Matuška wrote:
>> Poutnik wrote:
>> 
>>> On 08/03/2015 04:10 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/2/2015 11:35 PM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>>>>> Most people do not really reason,
>>>>
>>>> Julio, this is one of your largest mistakes, thinking that people are
>>>> generally stupid and unthinking, and that therefore you have an
>>>> advantage over most people. That's a very dangerous self-delusion.
>>>>
>>> Fooling oneself is easier than fooling others.
>> 
>> How do you know that?
>>  
> Those who do not know that are fooling themselves right now.

The easiest way to avoid this inconvenience is to always solve a problem 
at least two different ways. Followed by a comparison of the two results 
of course and a cross-check.

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#359530

On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 3:10:29 PM UTC+1, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/2/2015 11:35 PM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > Most people do not really reason,
> 
> Julio, this is one of your largest mistakes, thinking that people are 
> generally stupid and unthinking, and that therefore you have an 
> advantage over most people. That's a very dangerous self-delusion.

Sick scum like you should be permanently exiled on Pluto, where you could play your domination games with each other without affecting everybody else.

*Plonk*

Julio

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#359531

On 8/3/2015 11:37 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 3:10:29 PM UTC+1, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/2/2015 11:35 PM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
>>> Most people do not really reason,
>>
>> Julio, this is one of your largest mistakes, thinking that people are
>> generally stupid and unthinking, and that therefore you have an
>> advantage over most people. That's a very dangerous self-delusion.
>
> Sick scum like you should be permanently exiled on Pluto, where you could play your
> domination games with each other without affecting everybody else.

Julio, if you feel dominated unless you disparage other people's minds, 
then I think your own self-image problems are what you should ask for 
help on.

>
> *Plonk*
>
> Julio
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#359541

On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 9:41:13 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/3/2015 11:37 AM, Julio Di Egidio wrote:
> > On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 3:10:29 PM UTC+1, Odd Bodkin wrote:

> > > Julio, this is one of your largest mistakes, thinking that people
> > > are  generally stupid and unthinking, and that therefore you have an
> > > advantage over most people. That's a very dangerous self-delusion.
>
> > Sick scum like you should be permanently exiled on Pluto, where you
> > could play your domination games with each other without affecting
> > everybody else.
> 
> Julio, if you feel dominated unless you disparage other people's minds, 
> then I think your own self-image problems are what you should ask for 
> help on.

PD really loves to cut deep into the ones who know little about the mathematics.  So, that makes PD ever so dominant.  Well, being such a bully does not work on Koobee Wublee.  In fact, Koobee Wublee takes tremendous pleasure demolishing the Einstein dingleberries through sound mathematics and logic.  It is a blast to watch these imbeciles whining more bullshit, and it is also amusing to see so much personal attacks on Koobee Wublee.  In the meantime, Koobee Wublee shall polish the mathematics and logic that shall cut deep into the egos of the Einstein dingleberries until they storm into Caltech to demand all these degrees rewarded to Koobee Wublee to be revoked.  That would certainly complete PD's personal quest.  Oh, don't forget to tell them how you were buried by Koobee Wublee on the subjects that the Einstein dingleberries are supposed to be experts in.  Ahahaha...  Thanks for the laughs, PD.  <shrug>

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#359551

On 8/3/2015 1:11 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> Ahahaha...  Thanks for the laughs, PD.  <shrug>

Borrow a little from hanson, borrow a little from Tom Roberts, borrow a 
little from John Sefton.
You have no identity left, Koobee. You're just a mishmash of other 
people's tics. What's left of the genuine Koobee inside? Not much, other 
than a severe case of OCD and general incompetence at mathematics.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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