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  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-12 14:52 -0700
    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2015-07-13 08:14 +0200
      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-07-13 02:30 -0400
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-14 16:59 +0200
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 10:31 -0500
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-15 06:55 +1000
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-07-14 20:58 -0400
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. xxein1@att.net - 2015-07-14 18:36 -0700
      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 23:14 -0700
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 00:01 -0700
    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. qw <qw@qw.au> - 2015-07-14 19:46 +0000
      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 09:23 -0700
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. qw <qw@qw.au> - 2015-07-16 16:39 +0000
    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 13:19 -0700
      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 13:49 -0700
      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-16 17:19 +0200
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 09:13 -0700
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. qw <qw@qw.au> - 2015-07-16 16:20 +0000
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 09:26 -0700
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-16 18:38 +0200
                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 13:30 -0700
                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-16 22:36 +0200
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 13:40 -0700
                      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-16 23:01 +0200
                        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 14:09 -0700
                          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-16 23:20 +0200
                            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-17 08:12 +0200
                              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 23:46 -0700
                                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-17 09:15 +0200
                                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 14:50 -0700
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. qw <qw@qw.au> - 2015-07-16 16:38 +0000
                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-07-16 15:56 -0400
                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 13:20 -0700
                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-07-16 16:23 -0400
                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. qw <qw@qw.au> - 2015-07-16 20:33 +0000
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 13:49 -0700
                      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. qw <qw@qw.au> - 2015-07-16 21:01 +0000
                        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 14:09 -0700
                          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. qw <qw@qw.au> - 2015-07-16 21:21 +0000
                      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-16 23:06 +0200
                        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 14:13 -0700
                          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-16 23:23 +0200
                            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-17 08:15 +0200
                              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 23:33 -0700
                            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 23:53 -0700
                              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 23:57 -0700
                                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 00:42 -0700
                              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-17 07:22 -0500
    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-15 06:47 +1000
    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. HW <hw@...> - 2015-07-15 07:16 +1000
      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-16 20:26 +1000
      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 09:20 -0700
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. qw <qw@qw.au> - 2015-07-16 16:34 +0000
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-16 18:36 +0200
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-07-16 15:59 -0400
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-16 22:06 +0200
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 13:20 -0700
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-16 21:22 -0700
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-16 21:28 -0700
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-16 21:40 -0700
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-07-16 15:55 -0400
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 13:35 -0700
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 13:33 -0700
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-16 22:56 +0200
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-16 14:03 -0700
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-18 09:23 +1000
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-19 08:04 +1000
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. xxein1@att.net - 2015-07-18 20:17 -0700
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-07-19 20:56 +0200
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-19 22:46 +0000
                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-22 05:43 +0000
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-23 08:43 +1000
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-23 08:08 -0500
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-22 17:46 -0500
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-22 15:54 -0700
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-23 16:50 -0700
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-23 17:20 -0700
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 20:49 -0500
                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 12:02 -0500
                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-25 12:00 -0700
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 09:35 -0500
                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 12:46 -0500
                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-07-25 11:58 -0700
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 09:34 -0500
                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-26 02:10 +0000
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-07-24 14:15 +0200
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 09:44 -0500
                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-28 08:19 +1000
                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 17:45 -0500
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-29 06:52 +1000
                      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 16:37 -0500
                        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-29 07:56 +1000
                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 16:10 -0700
                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-07-28 10:40 +0200
                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-29 06:40 +1000
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 16:35 -0500
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-07-29 02:35 +0000
    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. alsor@interia.pl - 2015-07-25 10:47 -0700
      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 13:19 -0700
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-07-25 23:48 +0200
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. alsor@interia.pl - 2015-07-26 12:17 -0700
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. alsor@interia.pl - 2015-07-30 13:16 -0700
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-01 22:16 -0700
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. alsor@interia.pl - 2015-08-02 11:24 -0700
      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 23:54 -0700
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-26 20:42 -0700
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-28 08:23 +1000
        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-28 08:29 +1000
          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 16:26 -0700
            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-29 07:40 +1000
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 16:42 -0500
                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-30 07:05 +1000
                  Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-08-01 19:50 +1000
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-08-03 04:54 +1000
                      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-10 18:33 +0000
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-08-03 05:22 +1000
                      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-02 14:23 -0700
                        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-08-03 20:03 +1000
                          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-03 05:38 -0700
                        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. HW@...(HG Wilson) - 2015-08-04 07:56 +1000
                          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-03 18:22 -0700
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 17:07 -0500
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 09:02 -0500
                      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 13:30 -0700
                    Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-04 21:52 +0200
                      Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 14:57 -0500
                        Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-08-05 06:13 +1000
                          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 15:42 -0500
                          Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-05 15:23 +0200
                            Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-08-06 06:56 +1000
                              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-08-05 15:08 -0700
                              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-08-06 12:03 +0200
              Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 15:06 -0700
                Re: The GPS GR Argument Finally Settled. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-30 06:57 +1000

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#357465

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:10:06 PM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
> dyskusyjnych:4925fdf8-239b-4975-86de-35faef987fc6@googlegroups.com...
> 
> On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 9:38:23 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> > Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup
> > dyskusyjnych:8a59a426-09e6-4f77-b7c1-fa38714018ec@googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > > I dont understand. Whats the point in doing that?
> >
> > |Because curvature can be expressed entirely in terms of the metric.
> >
> > Too bad, you don't know, how to measure it.
> 
> |Not even wrong.
> 
> Yeah, I've heard it every time I asked this question. But have
> never heard the answer.

When you say "you don't know how to measure [the metric]", it
tells me immediately that you do not understand what the game
is all about (not just in GR but in science in general). This
I certainly cannot teach you here.

You shoehorn everything into what happens to be your field of
expertise and yell invective at everyone who dares to point out
the silliness of this approach.

--
Jan

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#357471

Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:ba5828fc-b60c-42e5-a633-61067e99c27f@googlegroups.com...

> > Too bad, you don't know, how to measure it.
>
> |Not even wrong.
>
> Yeah, I've heard it every time I asked this question. But have
> never heard the answer.

|When you say "you don't know how to measure [the metric]", it
|tells me immediately that you do not understand what the game
|is all about (not just in GR but in science in general). This
|I certainly cannot teach you here.

And blahblahblahblahblahblah.

|You shoehorn everything into what happens to be your field of
|expertise and yell invective at everyone who dares to point out
|the silliness of this approach.

Science, poor idiot, is an information construct. It happened
to be in my field of expertise. You do not understand what
the game is all about (not just in GR but in science in general).
And, instead of answerring questions, you're simply denying
their existence.
As expected from a relativistic moron.

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#357473

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 1:37:00 PM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
> dyskusyjnych:ba5828fc-b60c-42e5-a633-61067e99c27f@googlegroups.com...
> 
> > > Too bad, you don't know, how to measure it.
> >
> > |Not even wrong.
> >
> > Yeah, I've heard it every time I asked this question. But have
> > never heard the answer.
> 
> |When you say "you don't know how to measure [the metric]", it
> |tells me immediately that you do not understand what the game
> |is all about (not just in GR but in science in general). This
> |I certainly cannot teach you here.
> 
> And blahblahblahblahblahblah.
> 
> |You shoehorn everything into what happens to be your field of
> |expertise and yell invective at everyone who dares to point out
> |the silliness of this approach.
> 
> Science, poor idiot, is an information construct.

I recommend you stop peppering every post with "poor idiot". It hurts
your case.

> It happened
> to be in my field of expertise. You do not understand what
> the game is all about (not just in GR but in science in general).
> And, instead of answerring questions, you're simply denying
> their existence.

You don't understand how the game is played and your questions are
not even wrong. Sorry.

> As expected from a relativistic moron.

And stop peppering with "relativistic moron" too. Your arguments won't
become true by reciting a mantra.

--
Jan

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#357477

Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:c5c0fc15-8911-4568-bb03-befc3e0494db@googlegroups.com...
> > > Too bad, you don't know, how to measure it.
> >
> > |Not even wrong.
> >
> > Yeah, I've heard it every time I asked this question. But have
> > never heard the answer.
>
> |When you say "you don't know how to measure [the metric]", it
> |tells me immediately that you do not understand what the game
> |is all about (not just in GR but in science in general). This
> |I certainly cannot teach you here.
>
> And blahblahblahblahblahblah.
>
> |You shoehorn everything into what happens to be your field of
> |expertise and yell invective at everyone who dares to point out
> |the silliness of this approach.
>
> Science, poor idiot, is an information construct.

|I recommend you stop peppering every post with "poor idiot". It hurts
|your case.

Unfortunately, recommendation of such an  idiot means nothing
to me.

> It happened
> to be in my field of expertise. You do not understand what
> the game is all about (not just in GR but in science in general).
> And, instead of answerring questions, you're simply denying
> their existence.

|You don't understand how the game is played and your questions are

No, poor idiot. It's MY field. Not yours. You don't understand how
the game is played. But it's obvious you don't like questions you'
re too stupid too answer.

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#357483

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 2:01:13 PM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
> dyskusyjnych:c5c0fc15-8911-4568-bb03-befc3e0494db@googlegroups.com...
> > > > Too bad, you don't know, how to measure it.
> > >
> > > |Not even wrong.
> > >
> > > Yeah, I've heard it every time I asked this question. But have
> > > never heard the answer.
> >
> > |When you say "you don't know how to measure [the metric]", it
> > |tells me immediately that you do not understand what the game
> > |is all about (not just in GR but in science in general). This
> > |I certainly cannot teach you here.
> >
> > And blahblahblahblahblahblah.
> >
> > |You shoehorn everything into what happens to be your field of
> > |expertise and yell invective at everyone who dares to point out
> > |the silliness of this approach.
> >
> > Science, poor idiot, is an information construct.
> 
> |I recommend you stop peppering every post with "poor idiot". It hurts
> |your case.
> 
> Unfortunately, recommendation of such an  idiot means nothing
> to me.

So why do you post here? You enjoy your tragic act being called out
as dumb posturing?

> > It happened
> > to be in my field of expertise. You do not understand what
> > the game is all about (not just in GR but in science in general).
> > And, instead of answerring questions, you're simply denying
> > their existence.
> 
> |You don't understand how the game is played and your questions are
> 
> No, poor idiot. It's MY field.

I know it is, it's just that your field is not terribly relevant here.
You certainly post no content, just screams. Post content, so people can 
actually answer.

> Not yours. You don't understand how
> the game is played. But it's obvious you don't like questions you'
> re too stupid too answer.

You have no questions, all you have rants and vulgar one-liners.

--
Jan

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#357488

Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:6d69e667-031c-4efc-a4b7-d60e4aece5ab@googlegroups.com...
|So why do you post here? You enjoy your tragic act being called out
|as dumb posturing?

No, poor idiot, but I'm still enjoying a little your tragic act being
called out as dumb posturing.
And I don't like naked emperors.


|I know it is, it's just that your field is not terribly relevant here.

Once again. Will you agree at least, that science is information,
and it is related to language somehow, or are you too stupid
even for that?


|You certainly post no content, just screams. Post content, so people can
|actually answer.

You're too stupid to answer anything. You can only scream "not
even wrong", or alike.

> Not yours. You don't understand how
> the game is played. But it's obvious you don't like questions you'
> re too stupid too answer.

|You have no questions, all you have rants and vulgar one-liners.

So I'll repeat them once again. Not much hope they will ever break
through your concrete skull, but not impossible.
Why aren't you using your idiotic standard of clocks at GPS?
Where are you going to use it, if not in places like GPS?
What's your measurement procedure of your piece-of-shit
metric?

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#357541

W dniu 2015-07-16 o 23:52, JanPB pisze:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 2:21:05 PM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>> Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup
>> dyskusyjnych:6d69e667-031c-4efc-a4b7-d60e4aece5ab@googlegroups.com...
>> |So why do you post here? You enjoy your tragic act being called out
>> |as dumb posturing?
>>
>> No, poor idiot, but I'm still enjoying a little your tragic act being
>> called out as dumb posturing.
>> And I don't like naked emperors.
>
> But you do like repeating what I say.

Sometimes.

>
>> |I know it is, it's just that your field is not terribly relevant here.
>>
>> Once again. Will you agree at least, that science is information,
>> and it is related to language somehow, or are you too stupid
>> even for that?
>
> This is saying almost nothing. "Consciousness is related to organisms
> somehow"

Of course it's not saying anything to you. You are stupid
and have no idea about, what's going on.

.
>
>> |You certainly post no content, just screams. Post content, so people can
>> |actually answer.
>>
>> You're too stupid to answer anything. You can only scream "not
>> even wrong", or alike.
>
> That's all it deserves. I'm not being paid for the time I read this group.
>
>>> Not yours. You don't understand how
>>> the game is played. But it's obvious you don't like questions you'
>>> re too stupid too answer.
>>
>> |You have no questions, all you have rants and vulgar one-liners.
>>
>> So I'll repeat them once again. Not much hope they will ever break
>> through your concrete skull, but not impossible.
>> Why aren't you using your idiotic standard of clocks at GPS?
>> Where are you going to use it, if not in places like GPS?
>> What's your measurement procedure of your piece-of-shit
>> metric?
>
> Be specific. What procedure exactly is not using the standard?
> What would you change to make it proper?

O. You noticed the question? Unbelievable.
I mean, of course, procedure of setting clocks.
What would I change to make them "proper in the
sense of relativistic moron"? I would leave
them uncorrected and unsynchronized, of course.
Now, will you answer?


> Bonus question: why do you think everyone disagrees with you?

Because everyone disagrees with me?

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#357546

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 11:12:03 PM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> W dniu 2015-07-16 o 23:52, JanPB pisze:
> > On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 2:21:05 PM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> >> Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup
> >> dyskusyjnych:6d69e667-031c-4efc-a4b7-d60e4aece5ab@googlegroups.com...
> >> |So why do you post here? You enjoy your tragic act being called out
> >> |as dumb posturing?
> >>
> >> No, poor idiot, but I'm still enjoying a little your tragic act being
> >> called out as dumb posturing.
> >> And I don't like naked emperors.
> >
> > But you do like repeating what I say.
> 
> Sometimes.
> 
> >
> >> |I know it is, it's just that your field is not terribly relevant here.
> >>
> >> Once again. Will you agree at least, that science is information,
> >> and it is related to language somehow, or are you too stupid
> >> even for that?
> >
> > This is saying almost nothing. "Consciousness is related to organisms
> > somehow"
> 
> Of course it's not saying anything to you. You are stupid
> and have no idea about, what's going on.

Excuse my ESP powers being somewhat strained this week but here is
what you wrote: " Will you agree at least, that science is information,
and it is related to language somehow, or are you too stupid
even for that?"

Do you really think this has any non-trivial content? OK, fine, science
is information and it is related to language somehow. It's like saying
the art of Leonardo da Vinci is information and is related to pigments
somehow. Yes, both are true but this captures about 0.00001% of what's
involved here.

Bottom line is that you won't get anywhere at all with your insane quest
until you learn the subject you want to write critiques on. Until then
you are simply daydreaming.

> >> |You certainly post no content, just screams. Post content, so people can
> >> |actually answer.
> >>
> >> You're too stupid to answer anything. You can only scream "not
> >> even wrong", or alike.
> >
> > That's all it deserves. I'm not being paid for the time I read this group.
> >
> >>> Not yours. You don't understand how
> >>> the game is played. But it's obvious you don't like questions you'
> >>> re too stupid too answer.
> >>
> >> |You have no questions, all you have rants and vulgar one-liners.
> >>
> >> So I'll repeat them once again. Not much hope they will ever break
> >> through your concrete skull, but not impossible.
> >> Why aren't you using your idiotic standard of clocks at GPS?
> >> Where are you going to use it, if not in places like GPS?
> >> What's your measurement procedure of your piece-of-shit
> >> metric?
> >
> > Be specific. What procedure exactly is not using the standard?
> > What would you change to make it proper?
> 
> O. You noticed the question? Unbelievable.

Yes, it's hard to fish them out from your posts actually.

> I mean, of course, procedure of setting clocks.

Would it kill you to state plainly what your objection is?
The clocks are set in a certain way. They read the numbers relativity
predicts the numbers should be. Why is this a problem?

> What would I change to make them "proper in the
> sense of relativistic moron"?

What is "relativistic moron"? I don't know the term.

> I would leave
> them uncorrected and unsynchronized, of course.
> Now, will you answer?

Answer what?

> > Bonus question: why do you think everyone disagrees with you?
> 
> Because everyone disagrees with me?

It's because you make no sense.

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Jan

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#357558

W dniu 2015-07-17 o 08:46, JanPB pisze:

>
> Do you really think this has any non-trivial content? OK, fine, science
> is information and it is related to language somehow.

So, what can you tell about structure of science as a piece
of information and about the mentioned relationship?
Nothing.
You know very little about science.

>>>> |You certainly post no content, just screams. Post content, so people can
>>>> |actually answer.
>>>>
>>>> You're too stupid to answer anything. You can only scream "not
>>>> even wrong", or alike.
>>>
>>> That's all it deserves. I'm not being paid for the time I read this group.
>>>
>>>>> Not yours. You don't understand how
>>>>> the game is played. But it's obvious you don't like questions you'
>>>>> re too stupid too answer.
>>>>
>>>> |You have no questions, all you have rants and vulgar one-liners.
>>>>
>>>> So I'll repeat them once again. Not much hope they will ever break
>>>> through your concrete skull, but not impossible.
>>>> Why aren't you using your idiotic standard of clocks at GPS?
>>>> Where are you going to use it, if not in places like GPS?
>>>> What's your measurement procedure of your piece-of-shit
>>>> metric?
>>>
>>> Be specific. What procedure exactly is not using the standard?
>>> What would you change to make it proper?
>>
>> O. You noticed the question? Unbelievable.
>
> Yes, it's hard to fish them out from your posts actually.
>
>> I mean, of course, procedure of setting clocks.
>
> Would it kill you to state plainly what your objection is?
> The clocks are set in a certain way. They read the numbers relativity
> predicts the numbers should be. Why is this a problem?

Not true.  Numbers read indicate - t'=t.
But real problem is: you have issued a standard. You're
pissing at your own standard. You are a bunch of morons.


>> I would leave
>> them uncorrected and unsynchronized, of course.
>> Now, will you answer?
>
> Answer what?

Answer, why are you pissing at your own standard.
And where are you going to use it, if not in a
GPS-like places.

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#357636

On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 10:55:51 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
> dyskusyjnych:0e9d62ba-5b96-4074-8aeb-e4fef8985688@googlegroups.com...
> 
> On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 12:15:01 AM UTC-7, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> > W dniu 2015-07-17 o 08:46, JanPB pisze:
> > So, what can you tell about structure of science as a piece
> > of information and about the mentioned relationship?
> > Nothing.
> > You know very little about science.
> 
> |There is no useful content in the statement "structure of science
> |as a piece of information".
> 
> Because you don't  know any, poor idiot?

No, because there is no useful content in the statement "structure of
science as a piece of information". It's just hot air, like saying
"structure of van Gogh's art as pigment on canvas". It's true, correct,
and useless. BTW, your paste button seems to be stuck.

> > Not true.  Numbers read indicate - t'=t.
> > But real problem is: you have issued a standard. You're
> > pissing at your own standard. You are a bunch of morons.
> 
> |Again, no details and screams. WHAT numbers "indicate t'=t"?
> 
> Numbers read from clocks. Clocks, you know, have indicators.
> And these indicators are numeric. You can read numbers from
> them.

I'm dying of old age here. Post an actual argument. You won't get
anywhere by posting one sentence at a time.

> |WHAT "pissing at your own standard"?
> 
> Claiming a kind of clock as a standard, and then constructing
> different ones.

What "different one"? If you think the clock on the orbit is "different"
than the one on Earth, then your definition of "different" is so, well, 
"different" from the universally accepted one that any discussion with
you is doomed from the start.

If you want people to understand you, you must define all exotic terms,
people are not clairvoyant. Two clocks identically made start to exhibit 
certain behaviour when one of them is sent to the orbit. Relativity
quantifies this effect. That's all. You can play definition games with
this setup, of course but you must state the rules if you want others
to join the discussion.

> > And where are you going to use it, if not in a
> > GPS-like places.
> 
> |Whatever that means.
> 
> Not expecting a relativistic moron to be able to read, of course.

I'm not able to guess what's inside your head. You use common words
in idiosyncratic ways which makes communication pretty much impossible
as you never post anything complete, just one-liners and rants.
You also hurt your case by calling people you offend "stupid". I'm 100%
insensitive to such language through my years here so you can scream all
you want.

--
Jan

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#357411

JanPB wrote:

> On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 9:20:17 AM UTC-7, qw wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>> 
>> >> Would you trust a physicist, inventing a great, brandly new quantity
>> >> called "metric", that couldn't even tell, how to measure it?
>> > 
>> > Not even wrong.
>> 
>> Metric are a Canadian rock band founded in 1998 in Toronto.[1]
>> 
>> A Metric Tensor is a type of _function_ defined on a manifold (such as
>> a surface (2d) in space (3d)) which takes as input a pair of tangent
>> vectors (3d -> 2d plane) v and w and produces a real number (scalar)
>> g(v,w) in a way that generalizes many of the familiar properties of the
>> dot product of vectors in Euclidean space. In the same way as a dot
>> product, metric tensors are used to define the length of, and angle
>> between, tangent vectors.
>> 
>> I dont understand. Whats the point in doing that?
> 
> Because curvature can be expressed entirely in terms of the metric. This
> was Gauss' big discovery (aka. "theorema egregium" which is a 2D
> version).

No, it is exactly about what you've been told and you refuse to 
understand. Those tensors maps the curvature into the flat representation.

This is infact what that GR "Field" equation is all about. Maps the curved 
_spacetime_ into a flat _spacetime_. I see you dont understand Relativity.

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#357457

On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:06:31 +0000 (UTC), qw <qw@qw.au> wrote:

>JanPB wrote:
>
>>> This is infact what that GR "Field" equation is all about. Maps the
>>> curved _spacetime_ into a flat _spacetime_. I see you dont understand
>>> Relativity.
>> 
>> Ditto.
>
>Man, what a shame. This wannabe mathematician cant read tensor equations, 
>lol. I am so depressed. If I need to teach a mathematician to read 
>equation, what should I expect from a piano mover, a half-engineer, a cad 
>designer and such.
>
>Come on, you must be able to read an equation. Probably not in a flash, as 
>I do, but still. You look at it for days and years, and still dont sense 
>what that equation stands for. You see no the dynamics, the evolution in 
>it. I am so depress, being alone understanding the GR tensor field 
>equation.
>
>Avoid fluoride, makes you stupid.

        That sounds like Cannabis talking,
is that you Cannabis?

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#357460

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:06:36 PM UTC-7, qw wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> >> This is infact what that GR "Field" equation is all about. Maps the
> >> curved _spacetime_ into a flat _spacetime_. I see you dont understand
> >> Relativity.
> > 
> > Ditto.
> 
> Man, what a shame. This wannabe mathematician cant read tensor equations, 
> lol. I am so depressed. If I need to teach a mathematician to read 
> equation, what should I expect from a piano mover, a half-engineer, a cad 
> designer and such.
> 
> Come on, you must be able to read an equation. Probably not in a flash, as 
> I do, but still. You look at it for days and years, and still dont sense 
> what that equation stands for. You see no the dynamics, the evolution in 
> it. I am so depress, being alone understanding the GR tensor field 
> equation.
> 
> Avoid fluoride, makes you stupid.

You talk like a kid. If you can "read" tensors "in a flash", you should
answer that 2D metric question quickly (ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 + dy^2).

--
Jan

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#357464

On Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT), JanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:06:36 PM UTC-7, qw wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>> 
>> >> This is infact what that GR "Field" equation is all about. Maps the
>> >> curved _spacetime_ into a flat _spacetime_. I see you dont understand
>> >> Relativity.
>> > 
>> > Ditto.
>> 
>> Man, what a shame. This wannabe mathematician cant read tensor equations, 
>> lol. I am so depressed. If I need to teach a mathematician to read 
>> equation, what should I expect from a piano mover, a half-engineer, a cad 
>> designer and such.
>> 
>> Come on, you must be able to read an equation. Probably not in a flash, as 
>> I do, but still. You look at it for days and years, and still dont sense 
>> what that equation stands for. You see no the dynamics, the evolution in 
>> it. I am so depress, being alone understanding the GR tensor field 
>> equation.
>> 
>> Avoid fluoride, makes you stupid.
>
>You talk like a kid. If you can "read" tensors "in a flash", you should
>answer that 2D metric question quickly (ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 + dy^2).

        Obviously the over-active, nym-changing troll,
_IS_ a kid, not more than 12 or 13.


        With the mind of a retarded 3-year-old.

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#357467

JanPB wrote:

> On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:06:36 PM UTC-7, qw wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>> 
>> >> This is infact what that GR "Field" equation is all about. Maps the
>> >> curved _spacetime_ into a flat _spacetime_. I see you dont
>> >> understand Relativity.
>> > 
>> > Ditto.
>> 
>> Man, what a shame. This wannabe mathematician cant read tensor
>> equations, lol. I am so depressed. If I need to teach a mathematician
>> to read equation, what should I expect from a piano mover, a
>> half-engineer, a cad designer and such.
>> 
>> Come on, you must be able to read an equation. Probably not in a flash,
>> as I do, but still. You look at it for days and years, and still dont
>> sense what that equation stands for. You see no the dynamics, the
>> evolution in it. I am so depress, being alone understanding the GR
>> tensor field equation.
>> 
>> Avoid fluoride, makes you stupid.
> 
> You talk like a kid. If you can "read" tensors "in a flash", you should
> answer that 2D metric question quickly (ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 + dy^2).

Cant remember the question, I just popped in. Heck, now you got support 
from the piano mover and implicitly from the theory of divergent matter.

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#357474

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 1:33:44 PM UTC-7, qw wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 12:06:36 PM UTC-7, qw wrote:
> >> JanPB wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> This is infact what that GR "Field" equation is all about. Maps the
> >> >> curved _spacetime_ into a flat _spacetime_. I see you dont
> >> >> understand Relativity.
> >> > 
> >> > Ditto.
> >> 
> >> Man, what a shame. This wannabe mathematician cant read tensor
> >> equations, lol. I am so depressed. If I need to teach a mathematician
> >> to read equation, what should I expect from a piano mover, a
> >> half-engineer, a cad designer and such.
> >> 
> >> Come on, you must be able to read an equation. Probably not in a flash,
> >> as I do, but still. You look at it for days and years, and still dont
> >> sense what that equation stands for. You see no the dynamics, the
> >> evolution in it. I am so depress, being alone understanding the GR
> >> tensor field equation.
> >> 
> >> Avoid fluoride, makes you stupid.
> > 
> > You talk like a kid. If you can "read" tensors "in a flash", you should
> > answer that 2D metric question quickly (ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 + dy^2).
> 
> Cant remember the question, I just popped in. Heck, now you got support 
> from the piano mover and implicitly from the theory of divergent matter.

The question was: consider the following metric tensor in the (x,y)-plane:

    ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 + dy^2

It's obviously singular at x = 0. What is the nature of this
singularity? Can one cross from, say, the point (1,0) to (-1,0) ? 

--
Jan

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#357478

JanPB wrote:

>> > You talk like a kid. If you can "read" tensors "in a flash", you
>> > should answer that 2D metric question quickly (ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 +
>> > dy^2).
>> 
>> Cant remember the question, I just popped in. Heck, now you got support
>> from the piano mover and implicitly from the theory of divergent
>> matter.
> 
> The question was: consider the following metric tensor in the
> (x,y)-plane:
> 
>     ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 + dy^2
> 
> It's obviously singular at x = 0. What is the nature of this
> singularity? Can one cross from, say, the point (1,0) to (-1,0) ?

Of course not, unless you allow y to be other than 0. Is there a point in 
this gymnastics?

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#357484

On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 2:01:38 PM UTC-7, qw wrote:
> JanPB wrote:
> 
> >> > You talk like a kid. If you can "read" tensors "in a flash", you
> >> > should answer that 2D metric question quickly (ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 +
> >> > dy^2).
> >> 
> >> Cant remember the question, I just popped in. Heck, now you got support
> >> from the piano mover and implicitly from the theory of divergent
> >> matter.
> > 
> > The question was: consider the following metric tensor in the
> > (x,y)-plane:
> > 
> >     ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 + dy^2
> > 
> > It's obviously singular at x = 0. What is the nature of this
> > singularity? Can one cross from, say, the point (1,0) to (-1,0) ?
> 
> Of course not, unless you allow y to be other than 0. Is there a point in 
> this gymnastics?

Your answer is incorrect. So much for your "reading tensors in a flash".

--
Jan

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#357489

JanPB wrote:

> On Thursday, July 16, 2015 at 2:01:38 PM UTC-7, qw wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>> 
>> >> > You talk like a kid. If you can "read" tensors "in a flash", you
>> >> > should answer that 2D metric question quickly (ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 +
>> >> > dy^2).
>> >> 
>> >> Cant remember the question, I just popped in. Heck, now you got
>> >> support from the piano mover and implicitly from the theory of
>> >> divergent matter.
>> > 
>> > The question was: consider the following metric tensor in the
>> > (x,y)-plane:
>> > 
>> >     ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 + dy^2
>> > 
>> > It's obviously singular at x = 0. What is the nature of this
>> > singularity? Can one cross from, say, the point (1,0) to (-1,0) ?
>> 
>> Of course not, unless you allow y to be other than 0. Is there a point
>> in this gymnastics?
> 
> Your answer is incorrect. So much for your "reading tensors in a flash".

LOL, the mathematician want to go through a singularity. Why am I not 
surprised.

This was your question, huh? However, in a model (in applied Physics) one 
will always exclude singularities, just to get the related necessary info.

I would suggest you to rephrase your question, or to give detailed and 
required info for why it should be otherwise.

Listen up, that equation is invalid for x=zero. LOL.

I 

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#357481

Użytkownik "JanPB"  napisał w wiadomości grup 
dyskusyjnych:9ac9e910-a40c-4f9c-9f3a-7886d8ea100a@googlegroups.com...

|The question was: consider the following metric tensor in the (x,y)-plane:
|    ds^2 = dx^2/x^4 + dy^2
|It's obviously singular at x = 0. What is the nature of this
|singularity?

It's nature is - it is imagined.

| Can one cross from, say, the point (1,0) to (-1,0) ?

Your imagination, your assumptions, whatever you say. 

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