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| Started by | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2023-08-06 15:31 -0700 |
| Last post | 2023-08-23 08:26 +0200 |
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Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:31 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:37 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 18:07 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 19:08 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 20:34 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 21:18 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 01:04 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-07 11:15 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 08:24 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 08:31 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-07 10:21 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 19:32 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 12:39 -0500
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 16:58 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 18:41 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-08 07:30 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-08 12:26 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-08 21:49 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 08:47 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-16 07:47 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 09:04 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-08 12:57 -0500
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 11:47 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 15:52 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 21:37 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-09 08:26 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 12:43 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-09 11:54 -0400
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 18:25 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 09:48 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-09 11:14 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 21:47 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 13:05 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 22:57 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 15:21 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 15:39 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-10 11:37 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 07:35 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 07:37 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 08:31 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-09 16:16 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 19:17 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 21:47 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-10 07:31 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-10 11:37 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-11 08:20 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-16 18:19 -0400
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-17 07:42 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 00:53 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 02:04 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Booker Martos <etrs@eoaksmao.tb> - 2023-08-23 10:09 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-23 16:33 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-24 02:06 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-24 00:23 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 13:25 -0400
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 10:31 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 13:09 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-24 21:45 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 15:10 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 12:07 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 14:09 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Lee Mihailovich <mmhc@eoeilhll.av> - 2023-08-26 21:20 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 20:48 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 12:12 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-25 14:34 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 15:47 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-25 02:03 -0400
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 12:21 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-26 19:54 -0400
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Ryker Libman <kmki@kkrmkaik.km> - 2023-08-27 08:25 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 10:47 -0500
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Marcus Rempel <raer@rlsrmcaa.rr> - 2023-08-27 19:40 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-26 09:13 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-26 10:44 -0400
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 08:09 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 14:12 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-31 08:35 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 09:19 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 00:31 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-08 09:28 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 00:43 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-09-08 23:18 -0500
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 22:16 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-09 07:59 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 23:47 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-10 07:24 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-09 22:45 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-10 08:01 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-09-10 19:12 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-10 19:22 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-09-10 22:55 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-11 07:29 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-09-16 01:08 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-16 01:26 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-10 22:42 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-09-16 01:03 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-09-16 01:02 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Dourglas Mukaseev <glva@rlauaoks.rl> - 2023-09-16 09:25 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 11:07 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 13:13 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 11:25 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-30 07:52 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-28 12:22 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-11 08:44 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-10 23:46 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-13 08:33 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-12 23:47 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-15 08:42 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-15 00:35 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-16 07:35 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-15 22:45 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 21:32 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 12:28 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-16 07:50 +0200
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Lukas Vainberger <asag@rkarueik.ub> - 2023-08-16 11:42 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 09:18 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 13:57 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Chadrick Mahno <mdah@cacamcmm.ro> - 2023-08-09 21:59 +0000
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 13:18 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 09:47 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-09 11:03 -0700
Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-23 08:26 +0200
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-26 11:25 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kktup5F6g2iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #618648 |
On 2023-08-23 07:53:35 +0000, JanPB said: > On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote: >> >> I have spent a lot of time on analysing>> 'On the electrodynamics of >> moving bodies'.>> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. > You've found zero errors. > > What you call "errors" are just your misunderstandings. > The solution to your problem is either to learn physics or > to give up on this entirely and do something else. I don't doubt you for one moment (or Volney and others who have said similar things), but it would be useful if you could give us an example of a sentrnce that Thomas Heger calls an error, but which you consider to be an error on Thomas Heger's part. (I expect this has been done before, but I'm not able to dind it to find it.) -- athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2023-08-30 07:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kl83laFrg12U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #618648 |
Am 23.08.2023 um 09:53 schrieb JanPB: > On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote: >> >> I have spent a lot of time on analysing >> >> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'. >> >> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. > > You've found zero errors. > > What you call "errors" are just your misunderstandings. > The solution to your problem is either to learn physics or > to give up on this entirely and do something else. I had used a certain method: I took the text 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' as the homework of a student (of e.g. physics), which I, as his (hypothetical) professor, have to write corrections for. This setting is certainly not real, but has actually benefits. The method is mainly a learning tool and meant as kind of 'critical reading'. In my role as 'teatcher', I don't know anything about relativity or what the student actually wants to prove. I have ONLY the text and nothing else than what a physics professor in 1905 would usually know. Therefore, what is in the text is in it, what is not written is not in it and ignored, if not standard physics and/or math. This could lead totally off the track, if that is a valid interpretation of the text. It is therefore not my aim, to bring any kind of background knowledge into the text, but to analyze the text itself and what it actually says. In general I took anything written as true representation of the will of the author. In case of any tiny error of whatever kind, I took the text verbatim, even if wrong. But if I find an error, I tried to analyze it and tried to estimate, what the author actually (most likely) wanted to express and where and how he went wrong. I also analysed every equation and tried to find the used symbols in the verbal discription. So, any variable name needs to be mentioned somewhere, where the text explains, what this variable shall express (besides of common varibles, like x or t, for instance). Now Einstein had the odd habbit to reuse variable names for other purposes. This caused an ambiguity between various uses of e.g. X, A or x'. I also wanted a consistency of the type of an object and do not want that type to be changed (e.g. from scalar to vector or from function to value). I also disliked ambiguity of types of operators. E.g. a(x,y,z,t) can be interpreted in different ways, e.g.: as a function 'a' with some variables x,y,z,t in the argument as a scalar a, which gets multiplied to a fourvector (x,y,z,t) I also disliked the ambiguity between scalars and vectors in general in Einstein's text. For instance c is a scalar quantity and v a vector. It is therefore illegal to perfom something like v+c. I also looked at formal requirements and precison of the used phrases, because I'm actually a (hypothetical) teatcher. Now any small deviation from good homework writing is marked and annotated by me, in the hope, the student would learn something from my corrections. TH
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| From | RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-28 12:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9dca95c6-f3d9-4e4f-a7df-060533f3b40cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617346 |
On August 10, Thomas Heger wrote: > I have spent a lot of time on analysing > 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'. > And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. No doubt you have. Your problem is, science is a social activity, conducted by humans, according to conventions and rules. Truth and error, within this realm, are determined by consensus, or at least democracy. They have no independent existence. Six billion hominids on this rock, maybe 2% know a little relativity. None of them accept your declarations of Einstein's errors. The problem looks insurmountable. Take heart, thus it ever was for jeenyuses and prophets - -- Rich
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2023-09-11 08:44 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <km7r7eF463U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #619133 |
Am 28.08.2023 um 21:22 schrieb RichD: > On August 10, Thomas Heger wrote: >> I have spent a lot of time on analysing >> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'. >> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. > > No doubt you have. > > Your problem is, science is a social activity, conducted > by humans, according to conventions and rules. Truth > and error, within this realm, are determined by consensus, > or at least democracy. They have no independent existence. > > Six billion hominids on this rock, maybe 2% know a little > relativity. None of them accept your declarations of Einstein's > errors. The problem looks insurmountable. > > Take heart, thus it ever was for jeenyuses and prophets - No, you are entirely wrong. Science is not concerned with democracy and is by its very nature independent of what people believe. Science has to do with truth and whether or not assumptions are actually correct. And truth is not altered by even billions of people, who believe otherwise. Actually something could be true and scientific, if absolutely nobody believes in it. Social life is an entirely different thing, even social life in science. People are as people are, and that is not always governed by rational thinking. So social interactions in such environments does not necessarily produce truth. Instead it does generate some kind of consensus, which is an expression of social life among the participants in a certain community, but not per se of scientific truth. TH
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-10 23:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <73d3f716-872b-47e6-aba7-875337435f01n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620090 |
On Monday, 11 September 2023 at 08:42:58 UTC+2, Thomas Heger wrote: > Science has to do with truth and whether or not assumptions are actually > correct. And truth is not altered by even billions of people, who > believe otherwise. Sorry, but it's not the truth. Actually, it's a very naive and lacking any competence faith of yours.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2023-09-13 08:33 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kmd3alFpu8nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #620092 |
Am 11.09.2023 um 08:46 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > On Monday, 11 September 2023 at 08:42:58 UTC+2, Thomas Heger wrote: > >> Science has to do with truth and whether or not assumptions are actually >> correct. And truth is not altered by even billions of people, who >> believe otherwise. > > Sorry, but it's not the truth. Actually, it's a very naive and > lacking any competence faith of yours. > If science that does not, at least, try to discover actual truth, it is not science. I would call it 'scienentific carneval', where people in white coats perform obscure rituals. That may eventually look scientific, but mainly because of the titles, the machinery and the white coats. But if the scientific method is not applied, then it's only something remotely similar, but not science. TH
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-12 23:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <864e649f-c2df-40da-b19e-d4a051832d79n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620202 |
On Wednesday, 13 September 2023 at 08:31:52 UTC+2, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 11.09.2023 um 08:46 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > > On Monday, 11 September 2023 at 08:42:58 UTC+2, Thomas Heger wrote: > > > >> Science has to do with truth and whether or not assumptions are actually > >> correct. And truth is not altered by even billions of people, who > >> believe otherwise. > > > > Sorry, but it's not the truth. Actually, it's a very naive and > > lacking any competence faith of yours. > > > If science that does not, at least, try to discover actual truth, it is > not science. Nope. You simply know practically nothing about science and the same about truth. Anyway, you're not the one deciding what is science and what is not, sorry.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2023-09-15 08:42 +0200 |
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| In reply to | #620204 |
Am 13.09.2023 um 08:47 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: >>>> Science has to do with truth and whether or not assumptions are actually >>>> correct. And truth is not altered by even billions of people, who >>>> believe otherwise. >>> >>> Sorry, but it's not the truth. Actually, it's a very naive and >>> lacking any competence faith of yours. >>> >> If science that does not, at least, try to discover actual truth, it is >> not science. > > Nope. You simply know practically nothing > about science and the same about truth. > > Anyway, you're not the one deciding what is > science and what is not, sorry. > Sure, the men and women in white coats do. They also decide, what is right and what is wrong (by means of consensus). But, as I told you, truth is not concerned with democracy and you cannot not decide by vote about actual truth. TH
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-15 00:35 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d0a3079f-af48-48c7-8d08-1b965377df45n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620275 |
On Friday, 15 September 2023 at 08:40:37 UTC+2, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 13.09.2023 um 08:47 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > > >>>> Science has to do with truth and whether or not assumptions are actually > >>>> correct. And truth is not altered by even billions of people, who > >>>> believe otherwise. > >>> > >>> Sorry, but it's not the truth. Actually, it's a very naive and > >>> lacking any competence faith of yours. > >>> > >> If science that does not, at least, try to discover actual truth, it is > >> not science. > > > > Nope. You simply know practically nothing > > about science and the same about truth. > > > > Anyway, you're not the one deciding what is > > science and what is not, sorry. > > > Sure, the men and women in white coats do. > > They also decide, what is right and what is wrong (by means of consensus). While not all of them wear white coats - yes. You don't have to like it, it's still the reality. > But, as I told you, truth is not concerned with democracy and you cannot > not decide by vote about actual truth. As I told you - it's not the truth. You're mistaken. You don't know what the truth is, where it came from and how it works. Don't get offended, if you approach rationally to the subject you'll have to admit you don't know that.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2023-09-16 07:35 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kmkt0oF3oa3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #620276 |
Am 15.09.2023 um 09:35 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > On Friday, 15 September 2023 at 08:40:37 UTC+2, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Am 13.09.2023 um 08:47 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: >> >>>>>> Science has to do with truth and whether or not assumptions are actually >>>>>> correct. And truth is not altered by even billions of people, who >>>>>> believe otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, but it's not the truth. Actually, it's a very naive and >>>>> lacking any competence faith of yours. >>>>> >>>> If science that does not, at least, try to discover actual truth, it is >>>> not science. >>> >>> Nope. You simply know practically nothing >>> about science and the same about truth. >>> >>> Anyway, you're not the one deciding what is >>> science and what is not, sorry. >>> >> Sure, the men and women in white coats do. >> >> They also decide, what is right and what is wrong (by means of consensus). > > While not all of them wear white coats - yes. You > don't have to like it, it's still the reality. > >> But, as I told you, truth is not concerned with democracy and you cannot >> not decide by vote about actual truth. > > As I told you - it's not the truth. You're mistaken. Actually I know what you mean with that realm without truth, where the particpants in the show wear white coats. I usually call that 'academia' and mean that is the sense of an infectuous desease. > > You don't know what the truth is, where it > came from and how it works. Sure, nobody knows actual truth. That's why we got science to find out. ... TH
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-09-15 22:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <97d03ec0-8657-47cd-971c-2aad90df4bd6n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #620350 |
On Saturday, 16 September 2023 at 07:33:16 UTC+2, Thomas Heger wrote: > Sure, nobody knows actual truth. That's why we got science to find out. But science is not finding it out. It's building it.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-06 21:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1b460042-b1f9-4184-9473-8e10e6ea2d22n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #616937 |
Einstein Relations with the Royal Astronomical Society https://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1979QJRAS..20..251M
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-08 12:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <441ceddd-e4c9-4757-85ac-e3bc4afe36dcn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #616937 |
On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 3:31:56 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: > Plagiarism is an act of academic dishonesty. > > The three names in the topic, besides having an indelible thread that > connect them to 1915-1919 GR HOAX (Lorentz as the hub between > Einstein and Eddington during WWI), built their careers MAINLY on > plagiarism over other's people work. > > In the case of Eddington, and his infamous "contributions" to the internal constitution of the stars, he deserved a public accusation of James Jeans (1877–1946) and others about many of the fundamental issues concerning the internal structure of the stars. > > This extract is from a letter which Jeans published in The Observatory in November 1926 (Jeans, 1926): > > "May I conclude by assuring Prof. Eddington it would give me great pleasure if he could remove a long-standing source of friction between us by abstaining in future from making wild attacks on my work which he cannot substantiate, and by making the usual acknowledgements whenever he finds that my previous work is of use to him?" > > "I attach all the more importance to the second part of the request > because I find that some of the most fruitful ideas which I have introduced into astronomical physics –e.g., the annihilation of matter as the source of stellar energy, and highly dissociated atoms and free electrons as the substance of the stars – are by now fairly generally attributed to Prof. Eddington." > > But Eddington, the Plumian Professor of Astronomy in Cambridge since > 1913, where he was to remain for the rest of his career, and where he published over a dozen papers between 1916 and 1924 about the internal constitution of the stars, was "untouchable" because of his role in the > fudging and cooking of data of the 1919 eclipse, which launched Einstein > to the stardom. > > Lorentz, being the PR man for Einstein since 1910, and the communicating > hub between Eddington and Einstein during WWI and afterward, remained > the spokesperson for Einstein to the English media until 1921. > > In 1920, his famous comment: "Einstein is not an astronomer, but...." left > everyone puzzled about what he meant. A Freudian slip. > > Lorentz had also several dead bodies in the closet of plagiarism, like to > steal completely the results of Voigt's relativity (1887), which was credited > by Minkowski in June 1908 as THE SOLE ORIGIN of relativity. People don't own truth. Everyone can represent it. The truth doesn't answer to anyone Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2023-08-16 07:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kk36acFqmm1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #617142 |
Am 08.08.2023 um 21:28 schrieb mitchr...@gmail.com: > On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 3:31:56 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: >> Plagiarism is an act of academic dishonesty. >> ... >> Lorentz had also several dead bodies in the closet of plagiarism, like to >> steal completely the results of Voigt's relativity (1887), which was credited >> by Minkowski in June 1908 as THE SOLE ORIGIN of relativity. > > People don't own truth. Everyone can represent it. > The truth doesn't answer to anyone > Sure, but the presenter should give proper credit to those, from where they got their truth. Therefore quotes and references are mandatory in science. To leave them away is only one step away from fraud. TH
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| From | Lukas Vainberger <asag@rkarueik.ub> |
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| Date | 2023-08-16 11:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ubicn6$39j54$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #617879 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 08.08.2023 um 21:28 schrieb mitchr...@gmail.com: >> People don't own truth. Everyone can represent it. >> The truth doesn't answer to anyone >> > Sure, but the presenter should give proper credit to those, from where > they got their truth. Therefore quotes and references are mandatory in > science. To leave them away is only one step away from fraud. fucking idiots. A truth is truth disregard appurtenance. Your nazi country is a shithole. They give big money to the nazis of ukurina, for you to be good. What a fucking nazi braindead regime. At least Hitler had a brain. Fuck youuu.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-09 09:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d079d13b-0336-4e5a-a8c2-6253ca51231cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #616937 |
The jew network of communication and support for Einstein's HOAX: ************************************************ Gali Weinstein During World War I, copies of Einstein’s papers got to the Netherlands (to Leiden), in particular to Einstein’s friends Hendrik Antoon Lorentz and Willen de Sitter. De Sitter had sent copies of Einstein’s paper to Arthur Eddington in Britain. In the midst of World War I, two British expeditions were planned exclusively to test Einstein’s prediction of the deflection of light near the sun. In a letter of June 11, 1916, to Willem de Sitter Arthur Eddington wrote: We are having a discussion at the British Association [for the Advancement of Science] on gravitation — at Newcastle, Dec. 5–8. I wish we could have invited you to come over to take part; but we are not inviting any foreign guest this year because Newcastle is a “restricted area” and aliens are not allowed in it… I feel sure you will allow me to make use of the papers you send [Einstein’s papers on general relativity], in making my contribution to the discussion. Quoted in Stachel, John, “Eddington and Einstein”, Einstein from B to Z, Springer, 2002. It is reasonable to assume that De Sitter informed Einstein of Eddington’s meetings and plans. On June 16m 1919, Einstein wrote to his mother and told her (Collected Papers of Albert Einstein 9, Doc. 19): In a Dutch newspaper, it was reported that both expeditions obtained successful images of the solar eclipse, so the result should be publicized within 6 weeks. Thus, Einstein knew that two British expeditions were headed by Eddington and Frank Dyson and sent to observe the total solar eclipse with the sole purpose to observe a deflection of light predicted by his theory. On September 12, 1919, Einstein wrote to Paul Ehrenfest in Leiden on September 12, 1919 (Collected Papers of Albert Einstein 9, Doc. 103): ***** I wonder? Have you by any chance heard anything over there about the English solar-eclipse expedition? ****** Ten days later, on September 22, 1919, Lorentz informed Einstein of Eddington’s experimental results confirming Einstein’s prediction of the defection of light near the sun (Collected Papers of Albert Einstein 9, Doc. 110): ..... Thus, on October 7, 1919, Lorentz told Einstein that he heard about the result obtained by Eddington from a report by Balthasar van der Pol, who attended the meeting of the British Association for the Advancement of Science held on September 12, 1919, at Bournemouth, in which Arthur Eddington reported on the solar eclipse expeditions. Van der Pol told Lorentz upon his return to Leiden what Eddington had presented in Bournemouth. ----------------------------------------------------------- AND THIS, JUST IN 1919. DETAILS OF "THE NETWORK" BETWEEN 1915 AND 1918 ARE ABUNDANT, BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO SEEK DATA. EINSTEIN'S HOAX
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| From | JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-09 13:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1e51fc83-5145-4676-8897-9fc88ca1fd9fn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617184 |
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: > The jew network of communication and support for Einstein's HOAX: > > ************************************************ > Gali Weinstein > > During World War I, copies of Einstein’s papers got to the Netherlands (to Leiden), in particular to Einstein’s friends Hendrik > Antoon Lorentz and Willen de Sitter. De Sitter had sent copies of Einstein’s paper to Arthur Eddington in Britain. In the midst > of World War I, two British expeditions were planned exclusively to test Einstein’s prediction of the deflection of light near the sun. > > In a letter of June 11, 1916, to Willem de Sitter Arthur Eddington wrote: > > We are having a discussion at the British Association [for the Advancement of Science] on gravitation — at Newcastle, Dec. 5–8. > I wish we could have invited you to come over to take part; but we are not inviting any foreign guest this year because Newcastle > is a “restricted area” and aliens are not allowed in it… I feel sure you will allow me to make use of the papers you send > [Einstein’s papers on general relativity], in making my contribution to the discussion. > > Quoted in Stachel, John, “Eddington and Einstein”, Einstein from B to Z, Springer, 2002. > > It is reasonable to assume that De Sitter informed Einstein of Eddington’s meetings and plans. > > On June 16m 1919, Einstein wrote to his mother and told her (Collected Papers of Albert Einstein 9, Doc. 19): > > In a Dutch newspaper, it was reported that both expeditions obtained successful images of the solar eclipse, so the > result should be publicized within 6 weeks. > > Thus, Einstein knew that two British expeditions were headed by Eddington and Frank Dyson and sent to observe the > total solar eclipse with the sole purpose to observe a deflection of light predicted by his theory. > > On September 12, 1919, Einstein wrote to Paul Ehrenfest in Leiden on September 12, 1919 (Collected Papers of > Albert Einstein 9, Doc. 103): > > ***** I wonder? Have you by any chance heard anything over there about the English solar-eclipse expedition? ****** > > Ten days later, on September 22, 1919, Lorentz informed Einstein of Eddington’s experimental results confirming > Einstein’s prediction of the defection of light near the sun (Collected Papers of Albert Einstein 9, Doc. 110): > ..... > Thus, on October 7, 1919, Lorentz told Einstein that he heard about the result obtained by Eddington from a report by > Balthasar van der Pol, who attended the meeting of the British Association for the Advancement of Science held on > September 12, 1919, at Bournemouth, in which Arthur Eddington reported on the solar eclipse expeditions. Van der Pol > told Lorentz upon his return to Leiden what Eddington had presented in Bournemouth. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > AND THIS, JUST IN 1919. > > DETAILS OF "THE NETWORK" BETWEEN 1915 AND 1918 ARE ABUNDANT, BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO SEEK DATA. > > EINSTEIN'S HOAX See a doctor. You may get a stroke if you let this imagined parallel reality affect you too much. -- Jan
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| From | Chadrick Mahno <mdah@cacamcmm.ro> |
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| Date | 2023-08-09 21:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ub1273$2hs7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #617220 |
JanPB wrote: > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: >> AND THIS, JUST IN 1919. >> DETAILS OF "THE NETWORK" BETWEEN 1915 AND 1918 ARE ABUNDANT, BUT YOU >> HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO SEEK DATA. EINSTEIN'S HOAX > > See a doctor. You may get a stroke if you let this imagined parallel > reality affect you too much. you are siphoning money from america. And you are peeing on the floor. Not even germony likes you anymore. Respectfully, you are a disgrace.
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| From | JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-10 13:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6e2808f3-d663-45a2-9b9f-0f00df434e37n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617222 |
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:59:03 PM UTC-7, Chadrick Mahno wrote: > JanPB wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: > >> AND THIS, JUST IN 1919. > >> DETAILS OF "THE NETWORK" BETWEEN 1915 AND 1918 ARE ABUNDANT, BUT YOU > >> HAVE TO KNOW HOW TO SEEK DATA. EINSTEIN'S HOAX > > > > See a doctor. You may get a stroke if you let this imagined parallel > > reality affect you too much. > you are siphoning money from america. And you are peeing on the floor. Not > even germony likes you anymore. Respectfully, you are a disgrace. You too see a doctor. -- Jan
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-09 09:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <af398835-2532-4efc-a6de-f5a1cf915657n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #616937 |
THE DEEP HATE OF EINSTEIN OVER GERMANY AND GERMANS: https://erenow.net/biographies/einsteinhislifeanduniverse/10.php Einstein also became an early member of the liberal and cautiously pacifist New Fatherland League, a club that pushed for an early peace and the establishment of a federal structure in Europe to avoid future conflicts. It published a pamphlet titled “The Creation of the United States of Europe,” and it helped get pacifist literature into prisons and other places. Elsa went with Einstein to some of the Monday evening meetings until the group was banned in early 1916.48 .... As they sat on a hotel terrace amid swarms of bees plundering the flowering vines, Einstein joked about the faculty meetings in Berlin where each of the professors would anguish over the topic “why are we Germans hated in the world” and then would “carefully steer clear of the truth.” ******** Daringly, maybe even recklessly, Einstein openly said that he thought Germany could not be reformed and therefore hoped the allies would win, “which would smash the power of Prussia and the dynasty.”49 ******* The following month, Einstein got into a bitter exchange with Paul Hertz, a noted mathematician in Göttingen who was, or had been, a friend. Hertz was an associate member of the New Fatherland League with Einstein, but he had shied away from becoming a full member when it became controversial. “This type of cautiousness, not standing up for one’s rights, is the cause of the entire wretched political situation,” Einstein berated. “You have that type of valiant mentality the ruling powers love so much in Germans.” -------------------------------------
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