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List of Critics of Relativity:

Started byLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
First post2023-08-16 17:38 -0700
Last post2023-08-29 09:45 -0700
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  List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 17:38 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-17 12:05 +1000
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 20:18 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 20:19 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-17 13:24 -0500
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-19 06:58 +0200
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:19 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 23:24 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-20 07:08 +0200
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 22:16 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:06 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:19 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 19:53 -0400
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 17:31 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 18:34 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 19:40 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:10 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:57 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 00:19 -0400
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 21:34 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:08 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 15:13 -0500
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:28 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 14:43 -0500
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 15:04 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 21:19 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 02:05 -0400
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:17 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 15:32 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 20:15 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 11:47 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:57 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:13 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:15 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:33 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:14 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 13:48 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:57 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:04 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:48 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 15:13 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-17 17:46 -0500
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:29 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:40 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 20:06 -0400
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 09:20 +0200
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:23 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:34 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 15:03 -0500
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:44 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-08-17 08:13 -0600
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:59 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:18 -0700
    Cranks Richard Hertz and Laurence Crossen run out of arguments "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 09:37 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 20:15 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 11:50 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:12 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:36 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 22:40 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:49 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 22:40 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:43 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 23:13 +0200
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:44 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-18 12:45 +0200
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 04:08 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 14:32 +0200
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:16 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:19 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 21:00 +0200
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:54 -0500
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:48 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 16:49 -0500
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:18 -0700
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Ben Harin <ianr@ninrbnnr.nn> - 2023-08-18 23:27 +0000
                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 15:40 -0500
                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 19:23 -0500
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:56 -0700
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:18 -0400
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:19 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 21:04 +0200
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:46 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:53 -0500
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:21 -0400
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Wayne Bereznevich <nwne@czewnebe.ze> - 2023-08-18 22:37 +0000
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:49 -0400
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Elton Vakar <eero@aklenaoo.av> - 2023-08-18 23:07 +0000
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:19 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Merlan Bauze <emeu@eabezeel.bn> - 2023-08-19 10:13 +0000
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-18 15:39 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:21 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:56 -0500
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 10:22 +0200
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:31 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 21:40 +0200
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 13:24 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-18 10:56 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:08 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:16 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-18 11:36 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 10:22 +0200
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:49 +0200
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:24 -0700
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:51 -0700
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 18:01 +0200
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 09:16 -0700
                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 18:51 +0200
                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 10:06 -0700
                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 10:30 -0700
                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:21 +0200
                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 12:56 +0200
                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 07:02 -0700
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 16:49 +0200
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 07:57 -0700
                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:35 +0200
                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:43 -0700
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:35 +0200
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 08:13 -0700
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 08:26 -0700
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:13 +0200
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:27 -0700
                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:56 +0200
                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 10:04 -0700
                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 19:49 +0200
                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:07 -0700
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:29 -0700
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 20:30 +0200
                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 12:05 -0700
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 23:15 -0700
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 23:28 -0700
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 10:36 +0200
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 06:21 -0700
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 06:40 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 07:11 -0700
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 07:29 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 08:13 -0700
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:49 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:58 -0700
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 07:53 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 18:03 +0200
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:50 -0700
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 23:21 +0200
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 23:21 +0200
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 00:38 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 01:02 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 11:54 +0200
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 03:05 -0700
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-22 09:38 -0500
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 20:05 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-22 19:52 -0500
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 11:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 13:15 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-23 15:52 -0500
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-24 11:07 -0700
                                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 14:39 -0400
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-03 17:48 -0700
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 12:19 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 22:58 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 21:41 -0400
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 11:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 22:36 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 01:01 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 11:54 +0200
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 23:06 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 23:23 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 12:01 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 03:10 -0700
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 04:22 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 13:55 +0200
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 05:08 -0700
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 15:56 -0700
                                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-24 14:02 +0200
                                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 05:53 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 13:31 -0700
                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:36 -0700
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Delmer Tupalo <rptm@lmlelodl.el> - 2023-08-20 18:44 +0000
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:29 -0400
                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Travis Bazili <aail@ttttviat.sv> - 2023-08-23 09:38 +0000
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 05:48 -0500
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Clarence Talkovsky <nskl@eccaryec.kv> - 2023-08-23 11:53 +0000
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        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
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              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 00:35 -0400
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 21:52 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 10:36 +0200
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              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 13:30 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:50 -0400
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                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:34 -0400
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              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 13:38 -0700
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                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:41 -0400
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                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:07 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:13 -0700
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-21 22:24 -0500
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:34 -0700
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                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:26 -0400
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                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 22:21 -0400
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      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-19 00:13 -0400
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        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
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      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:52 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 14:51 -0500
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 16:50 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:01 -0400
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:06 -0700
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                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:31 -0400
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      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 17:41 -0700
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#618513

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 16:48 -0700
Message-ID<3aac5dcb-5962-49b1-bdd4-8963aafa58e7n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618512
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 5:05 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: 
> 
> >> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> >> experimental evidence discovered. None. 
> 
> > Please explain which twin is predicted to be time dilated when both are moving relative to the other and time dilation is caused by relative motion.
> And again, you don't understand the twin paradox. Time dilation as 
> described in the 1905 paper only applies to inertial motion. And you can 
> apply it to the PORTIONS of the journey where one twin moves at a 
> constant speed relative to the other. However the turnaround 
> event/acceleration causes all of the effects which causes the traveling 
> twin to age less. It is NOT symmetrical.
Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by inertial motion. How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it? Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction.

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#618517

FromTom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2023-08-21 19:11 -0500
Message-ID<8k6dnR43TbiGYH75nZ2dnZfqlJ9j4p2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#618513
On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by 
> inertial motion.

No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph.

> How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it?

Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular
to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you
are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much
smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you
answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation".

	[Both are geometrical projections of an invariant
	 quantity onto a specific coordinate system.]

> Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction.

Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many
particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very
ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this.

Tom Roberts

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#618522

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 18:56 -0700
Message-ID<c01d71c5-d87a-47c7-be8a-f1acfe42caccn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618517
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:11:20 PM UTC-3, Tom Roberts wrote:

<snip>

> Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular 
> to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you 
> are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much 
> smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you 
> answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation". 

Once again, you screw up biophysics.

It depends on the angular velocity and the speed of processing of your visual system.
If the rotation velocity is fast enough, you'll think that you're seeing a DISK surrounding you, and the walls vanish.

This, of course, for a while. Then you start spinning aroud the room and throwing up, before you pass out and fall like a rock.

Return your degree in physics. Better yet, burn it.



....
> > Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction.
> Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many 
> particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very 
> ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this. 

LIAR, DECEIVER. Try muons now.

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#618536

FromTom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2023-08-21 23:33 -0500
Message-ID<6zmdnaydB800p3n5nZ2dnZfqlJ9j4p2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#618522
On 8/21/23 8:56 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:11:20 PM UTC-3, Tom Roberts wrote:
>> Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is 
>> perpendicular to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now 
>> rotate it so you are looking along its length -- it appears to have
>> a width very much smaller than one meter. What "caused" this 
>> difference? -- however you answer, that same answer applies to 
>> "time dilation".
> 
> Once again, you screw up biophysics.

Nope. YOU screw up reading very basic English.

> It depends on the angular velocity and the speed of processing of 
> your visual system.

My words QUITE CLEARLY indicate the meterstick is not moving while you
look at it, twice, with a 90-degree rotation between looks.

> [... further nonsense omitted]

Tom Roberts

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#618538

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 21:52 -0700
Message-ID<53feccfb-eb3f-4507-8896-d5bbf77edb09n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618536
On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 06:33:57 UTC+2, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/21/23 8:56 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:11:20 PM UTC-3, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> >> Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is 
> >> perpendicular to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now 
> >> rotate it so you are looking along its length -- it appears to have 
> >> a width very much smaller than one meter. What "caused" this 
> >> difference? -- however you answer, that same answer applies to 
> >> "time dilation". 
> > 
> > Once again, you screw up biophysics.
> Nope. YOU screw up reading very basic English.

And we're FORCED!!! To THE BEST WAY!!!

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#618523

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 20:07 -0700
Message-ID<4cf1745f-17e1-4703-954d-c421bb04e039n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618517
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by 
> > inertial motion.
> No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph.
> > How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it?
> Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular 
> to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you 
> are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much 
> smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you 
> answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation". 
> 
> [Both are geometrical projections of an invariant 
> quantity onto a specific coordinate system.]
> > Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction.
> Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many 
> particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very 
> ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this. 
> 
> Tom Roberts
I am very impressed by your ignorance of the criticisms of this interpretation of experiments in particle accelerators.

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#618525

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 20:13 -0700
Message-ID<17f27031-7230-4bbf-98b6-ec272dba818an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618523
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:07:42 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by 
> > > inertial motion. 
> > No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph. 
> > > How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it? 
> > Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular 
> > to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you 
> > are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much 
> > smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you 
> > answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation". 
> > 
> > [Both are geometrical projections of an invariant 
> > quantity onto a specific coordinate system.] 
> > > Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction. 
> > Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many 
> > particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very 
> > ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this. 
> > 
> > Tom Roberts

> I am very impressed by your ignorance of the criticisms of this interpretation of experiments in particle accelerators.

If you think that Tom, who has a Ph.D. in physics, is ignorant of experiments in particle accelerators, then you are among the dumbest people who *ever& visited this forum. It is YOUR ignorance that is huge! After all, Tom worked at Fermilab...

https://www.fnal.gov/pub/about/index.html

Could you possibly be a bigger fool than you are now?

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#618527

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-21 22:24 -0500
Message-ID<kkio3iFat64U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#618525
On 8/21/2023 10:13 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:07:42 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>> On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>> Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by
>>>> inertial motion.
>>> No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph.
>>>> How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it?
>>> Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular
>>> to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you
>>> are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much
>>> smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you
>>> answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation".
>>>
>>> [Both are geometrical projections of an invariant
>>> quantity onto a specific coordinate system.]
>>>> Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction.
>>> Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many
>>> particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very
>>> ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this.
>>>
>>> Tom Roberts
> 
>> I am very impressed by your ignorance of the criticisms of this interpretation of experiments in particle accelerators.
> 
> If you think that Tom, who has a Ph.D. in physics, is ignorant of experiments in particle accelerators, then you are among the dumbest people who *ever& visited this forum. It is YOUR ignorance that is huge! After all, Tom worked at Fermilab...
> 
> https://www.fnal.gov/pub/about/index.html
> 
> Could you possibly be a bigger fool than you are now?

Watch this space...

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#618532

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 20:34 -0700
Message-ID<691fc2ad-a5b7-40f2-922b-9d45e94e9bdbn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618525
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:13:45 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:07:42 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > > On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by 
> > > > inertial motion. 
> > > No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph. 
> > > > How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it? 
> > > Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular 
> > > to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you 
> > > are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much 
> > > smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you 
> > > answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation". 
> > > 
> > > [Both are geometrical projections of an invariant 
> > > quantity onto a specific coordinate system.] 
> > > > Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction. 
> > > Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many 
> > > particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very 
> > > ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this. 
> > > 
> > > Tom Roberts 
> 
> > I am very impressed by your ignorance of the criticisms of this interpretation of experiments in particle accelerators.
> If you think that Tom, who has a Ph.D. in physics, is ignorant of experiments in particle accelerators, then you are among the dumbest people who *ever& visited this forum. It is YOUR ignorance that is huge! After all, Tom worked at Fermilab... 
> 
> https://www.fnal.gov/pub/about/index.html 
> 
> Could you possibly be a bigger fool than you are now?
Poor Tom can't distinguish between a result and an irrational interpretation.

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#618537

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 21:41 -0700
Message-ID<7487ce37-8673-4fbd-9134-14b6b360497an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618532
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:13:45 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:07:42 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > > > On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > > Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by 
> > > > > inertial motion. 
> > > > No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph. 
> > > > > How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it? 
> > > > Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular 
> > > > to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you 
> > > > are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much 
> > > > smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you 
> > > > answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation". 
> > > > 
> > > > [Both are geometrical projections of an invariant 
> > > > quantity onto a specific coordinate system.] 
> > > > > Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction. 
> > > > Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many 
> > > > particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very 
> > > > ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this. 
> > > > 
> > > > Tom Roberts 
> > 
> > > I am very impressed by your ignorance of the criticisms of this interpretation of experiments in particle accelerators. 
> > If you think that Tom, who has a Ph.D. in physics, is ignorant of experiments in particle accelerators, then you are among the dumbest people who *ever& visited this forum. It is YOUR ignorance that is huge! After all, Tom worked at Fermilab... 
> > 
> > https://www.fnal.gov/pub/about/index.html 
> > 
> > Could you possibly be a bigger fool than you are now?

> Poor Tom can't distinguish between a result and an irrational interpretation.

Poor Crossen doesn't know what he doesn't know and makes a fool of himself... AGAIN!

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#618539

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 21:53 -0700
Message-ID<6bd0e1dd-e607-46c9-9eb1-697e320088e5n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618537
On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 06:41:32 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:13:45 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:07:42 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > > > > On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > > > Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by 
> > > > > > inertial motion. 
> > > > > No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph. 
> > > > > > How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it? 
> > > > > Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular 
> > > > > to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you 
> > > > > are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much 
> > > > > smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you 
> > > > > answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation". 
> > > > > 
> > > > > [Both are geometrical projections of an invariant 
> > > > > quantity onto a specific coordinate system.] 
> > > > > > Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction. 
> > > > > Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many 
> > > > > particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very 
> > > > > ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Tom Roberts 
> > > 
> > > > I am very impressed by your ignorance of the criticisms of this interpretation of experiments in particle accelerators. 
> > > If you think that Tom, who has a Ph.D. in physics, is ignorant of experiments in particle accelerators, then you are among the dumbest people who *ever& visited this forum. It is YOUR ignorance that is huge! After all, Tom worked at Fermilab... 
> > > 
> > > https://www.fnal.gov/pub/about/index.html 
> > > 
> > > Could you possibly be a bigger fool than you are now? 
> 
> > Poor Tom can't distinguish between a result and an irrational interpretation.
> Poor Crossen doesn't know what he doesn't know and makes a fool of himself... AGAIN!

Come on, trash, stop making wise faces, the mumble
of your idiot guru wasn't even consistent.

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#618565

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-22 09:58 -0500
Message-ID<kkk0o8Fh1mjU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#618537
On 8/21/2023 11:41 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:34:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:13:45 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:07:42 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
>>>>> On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>> Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by
>>>>>> inertial motion.
>>>>> No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph.
>>>>>> How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it?
>>>>> Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular
>>>>> to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you
>>>>> are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much
>>>>> smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you
>>>>> answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation".
>>>>>
>>>>> [Both are geometrical projections of an invariant
>>>>> quantity onto a specific coordinate system.]
>>>>>> Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction.
>>>>> Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many
>>>>> particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very
>>>>> ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Roberts
>>>
>>>> I am very impressed by your ignorance of the criticisms of this interpretation of experiments in particle accelerators.
>>> If you think that Tom, who has a Ph.D. in physics, is ignorant of experiments in particle accelerators, then you are among the dumbest people who *ever& visited this forum. It is YOUR ignorance that is huge! After all, Tom worked at Fermilab...
>>>
>>> https://www.fnal.gov/pub/about/index.html
>>>
>>> Could you possibly be a bigger fool than you are now?
> 
>> Poor Tom can't distinguish between a result and an irrational interpretation.
> 
> Poor Crossen doesn't know what he doesn't know and makes a fool of himself... AGAIN!

If you haven't figured it out yet you're talking to a third or fourth
string mathematician.

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#618541

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-22 01:19 -0400
Message-ID<uc1ggb$2968k$5@dont-email.me>
In reply to#618525
On 8/21/2023 11:13 PM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:07:42 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
[...]
>>> Tom Roberts
> 
>> I am very impressed by your ignorance of the criticisms of this interpretation of experiments in particle accelerators.
> 
> If you think that Tom, who has a Ph.D. in physics, is ignorant of experiments in particle accelerators, then you are among the dumbest people who *ever& visited this forum. It is YOUR ignorance that is huge! After all, Tom worked at Fermilab...
> 
> https://www.fnal.gov/pub/about/index.html
> 
> Could you possibly be a bigger fool than you are now?

Warning; Lawrence is likely to consider that as a challenge...

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#618542

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 22:25 -0700
Message-ID<e52e4759-be16-494b-b352-f5b70c20cb62n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618541
On Tuesday, 22 August 2023 at 07:19:11 UTC+2, Volney wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 11:13 PM, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:07:42 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> [...]
> >>> Tom Roberts 
> > 
> >> I am very impressed by your ignorance of the criticisms of this interpretation of experiments in particle accelerators. 
> > 
> > If you think that Tom, who has a Ph.D. in physics, is ignorant of experiments in particle accelerators, then you are among the dumbest people who *ever& visited this forum. It is YOUR ignorance that is huge! After all, Tom worked at Fermilab... 
> > 
> > https://www.fnal.gov/pub/about/index.html 
> > 
> > Could you possibly be a bigger fool than you are now?
> Warning; Lawrence is likely to consider that as a challenge...

And do you still believe that  9 192 631 770  ISO idiocy
is some "Newton mode"? You're such an agnorant idiot, 
stupid Mike, even considering the standards of your
moronic religion.

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#618572

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-22 10:47 -0700
Message-ID<79be5867-2f28-4c9b-bf22-9996866e74ean@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618517
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by 
> > inertial motion.
> No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph.
> > How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it?
> Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular 
> to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you 
> are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much 
> smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you 
> answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation". 
> 
> [Both are geometrical projections of an invariant 
> quantity onto a specific coordinate system.]
> > Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction.
> Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many 
> particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very 
> ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this. 
> 
> Tom Roberts
The particle accelerator experiment with Lithium merely measured the change in the number of transitions of electrons at one-third the speed of light compared with ions not moving. It only proved those transitions slowed. It did not prove that any other rate of change slows with speed much less that time itself (all rates of change) changes with speed. To conclude that it proves time changes with speed is an unwarranted inference, and math knowledge is irrelevant. 

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#618574

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-22 11:28 -0700
Message-ID<dba71300-fced-4c4f-b562-463a4cfedec7n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618517
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by 
> > inertial motion.
> No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph.
> > How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it?
> Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular 
> to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you 
> are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much 
> smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you 
> answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation". 
> 
> [Both are geometrical projections of an invariant 
> quantity onto a specific coordinate system.]
> > Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction.
> Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many 
> particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very 
> ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this. 
> 
> Tom Roberts
It is extremely ignorant of you to jump to unwarranted conclusions.

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#618575

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-22 14:06 -0500
Message-ID<kkkf9oFjd3hU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#618574
On 8/22/2023 1:28 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
>> On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by
>>> inertial motion.
>> No. "Cause" is the wrong word. See my next paragraph.
>>> How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it?
>> Hold a meterstick in your hand and look at it while it is perpendicular
>> to your sight-line -- it appears one meter wide. Now rotate it so you
>> are looking along its length -- it appears to have a width very much
>> smaller than one meter. What "caused" this difference? -- however you
>> answer, that same answer applies to "time dilation".
>>
>> [Both are geometrical projections of an invariant
>> quantity onto a specific coordinate system.]
>>> Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction.
>> Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many
>> particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very
>> ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this.
>>
>> Tom Roberts
> It is extremely ignorant of you to jump to unwarranted conclusions.

All bun, no beef !

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#618612

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-22 22:17 -0400
Message-ID<uc3q8n$2oop5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#618574
On 8/22/2023 2:28 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
>> On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

>>> Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction.

>> Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many
>> particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very
>> ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this.

> It is extremely ignorant of you to jump to unwarranted conclusions.

It's hardly an "unwarranted conclusion" since particle accelerators take 
into account SR, including time dilation, as part of their design. The 
fact they work at all shows the design is correct.

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#618618

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-22 20:07 -0700
Message-ID<8cddefbb-788d-42d9-b143-2bcbf386d365n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618612
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:18:03 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/22/2023 2:28 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> >> On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> 
> >>> Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction. 
> 
> >> Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many 
> >> particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very 
> >> ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this.
> > It is extremely ignorant of you to jump to unwarranted conclusions.
> It's hardly an "unwarranted conclusion" since particle accelerators take 
> into account SR, including time dilation, as part of their design. The 
> fact they work at all shows the design is correct.
You did not understand. It is an unwarranted inference from n process of change to all.

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FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-22 20:09 -0700
Message-ID<c7ff9b4c-9108-43a6-8572-515efdbe0028n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618612
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 7:18:03 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/22/2023 2:28 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:11:20 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> >> On 8/21/23 6:48 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> 
> >>> Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction. 
> 
> >> Nonsense! It is observed every day, literally billions of times, at many 
> >> particle accelerators around the world. It's just that you are so very 
> >> ignorant of basic physics that you don't know this.
> > It is extremely ignorant of you to jump to unwarranted conclusions.
> It's hardly an "unwarranted conclusion" since particle accelerators take 
> into account SR, including time dilation, as part of their design. The 
> fact they work at all shows the design is correct.
You did not understand. It is an unwarranted inference from one process of change to all.

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