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List of Critics of Relativity:

Started byLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
First post2023-08-16 17:38 -0700
Last post2023-08-29 09:45 -0700
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  List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 17:38 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-17 12:05 +1000
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 20:18 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 20:19 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-17 13:24 -0500
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-19 06:58 +0200
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:19 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 23:24 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-20 07:08 +0200
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 22:16 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:06 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:19 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 19:53 -0400
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 17:31 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 18:34 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 19:40 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:10 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:57 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 00:19 -0400
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 21:34 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:08 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 15:13 -0500
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:28 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 14:43 -0500
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 15:04 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 21:19 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 02:05 -0400
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:17 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 15:32 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 20:15 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 11:47 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:57 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:13 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:15 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:33 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:14 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 13:48 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:57 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:04 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:48 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 15:13 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-17 17:46 -0500
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:29 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:40 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 20:06 -0400
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 09:20 +0200
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:23 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:34 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 15:03 -0500
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:44 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-08-17 08:13 -0600
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:59 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:18 -0700
    Cranks Richard Hertz and Laurence Crossen run out of arguments "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 09:37 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 20:15 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 11:50 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:12 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:36 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 22:40 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:49 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 22:40 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:43 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 23:13 +0200
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:44 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-18 12:45 +0200
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 04:08 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 14:32 +0200
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:16 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:19 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 21:00 +0200
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:54 -0500
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:48 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 16:49 -0500
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:18 -0700
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Ben Harin <ianr@ninrbnnr.nn> - 2023-08-18 23:27 +0000
                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 15:40 -0500
                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 19:23 -0500
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:56 -0700
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:18 -0400
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:19 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 21:04 +0200
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:46 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:53 -0500
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:21 -0400
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Wayne Bereznevich <nwne@czewnebe.ze> - 2023-08-18 22:37 +0000
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:49 -0400
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Elton Vakar <eero@aklenaoo.av> - 2023-08-18 23:07 +0000
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:19 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Merlan Bauze <emeu@eabezeel.bn> - 2023-08-19 10:13 +0000
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-18 15:39 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:21 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:56 -0500
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 10:22 +0200
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:31 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 21:40 +0200
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 13:24 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-18 10:56 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:08 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:16 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-18 11:36 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 10:22 +0200
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:49 +0200
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:24 -0700
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:51 -0700
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 18:01 +0200
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 09:16 -0700
                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 18:51 +0200
                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 10:06 -0700
                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 10:30 -0700
                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:21 +0200
                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 12:56 +0200
                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 07:02 -0700
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 16:49 +0200
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 07:57 -0700
                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:35 +0200
                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:43 -0700
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:35 +0200
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 08:13 -0700
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 08:26 -0700
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:13 +0200
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:27 -0700
                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:56 +0200
                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 10:04 -0700
                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 19:49 +0200
                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:07 -0700
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:29 -0700
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 20:30 +0200
                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 12:05 -0700
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 23:15 -0700
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 23:28 -0700
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 10:36 +0200
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 06:21 -0700
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 06:40 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 07:11 -0700
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 07:29 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 08:13 -0700
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:49 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:58 -0700
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 07:53 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 18:03 +0200
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:50 -0700
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 23:21 +0200
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 23:21 +0200
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 00:38 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 01:02 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 11:54 +0200
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 03:05 -0700
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-22 09:38 -0500
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 20:05 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-22 19:52 -0500
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 11:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 13:15 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-23 15:52 -0500
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-24 11:07 -0700
                                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 14:39 -0400
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-03 17:48 -0700
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 12:19 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 22:58 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 21:41 -0400
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 11:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 22:36 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 01:01 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 11:54 +0200
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 23:06 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 23:23 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 12:01 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 03:10 -0700
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 04:22 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 13:55 +0200
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 05:08 -0700
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 15:56 -0700
                                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-24 14:02 +0200
                                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 05:53 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 13:31 -0700
                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:36 -0700
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Delmer Tupalo <rptm@lmlelodl.el> - 2023-08-20 18:44 +0000
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:29 -0400
                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Travis Bazili <aail@ttttviat.sv> - 2023-08-23 09:38 +0000
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 05:48 -0500
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Clarence Talkovsky <nskl@eccaryec.kv> - 2023-08-23 11:53 +0000
                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 12:11 -0700
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                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:13 +0200
                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:23 -0700
                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 18:26 +0200
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:56 +0200
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 10:07 -0700
                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:32 -0700
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:56 +0200
                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 15:10 -0700
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                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-24 11:36 -0700
                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-25 21:45 +0200
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-19 11:22 -0700
                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 20:10 -0700
                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 22:15 -0700
                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-20 11:52 -0400
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Brett Harkharov <aaah@rthtrath.rk> - 2023-08-19 17:12 +0000
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 08:08 -0500
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 22:34 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-19 02:50 -0400
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Chico Patsalo <tpac@slsialct.ac> - 2023-08-19 10:41 +0000
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 12:22 -0500
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 14:45 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 03:56 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 08:36 -0500
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 07:09 -0700
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 07:43 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-19 19:18 -0400
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 17:01 -0700
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-20 12:13 -0400
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 17:52 +0200
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:47 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:55 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 14:40 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 09:12 +0200
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 00:32 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 11:24 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:31 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:46 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:52 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 22:40 +0200
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 15:06 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 06:17 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:14 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:40 -0400
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Shon Babukh <koun@bnbuboab.ob> - 2023-08-18 23:38 +0000
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 20:04 +0200
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-18 13:34 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 15:10 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 20:04 +0200
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:06 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:37 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 17:21 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 12:28 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 13:05 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 16:47 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-20 01:55 +0200
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 19:19 -0500
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 15:43 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 16:15 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 18:09 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 18:20 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 19:11 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 22:02 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-20 07:07 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 14:59 -0500
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 16:53 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 12:39 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 19:25 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 19:55 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 20:56 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 21:09 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 22:03 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 22:17 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 22:38 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 00:35 -0400
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 21:52 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 10:36 +0200
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 22:46 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-21 10:03 -0500
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 13:30 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:50 -0400
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 17:09 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:34 -0400
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 22:42 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 15:30 -0400
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:12 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:18 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 13:38 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 14:05 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:41 -0400
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:48 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-21 19:11 -0500
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 18:56 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-21 23:33 -0500
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                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:07 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:13 -0700
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-21 22:24 -0500
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:34 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 21:41 -0700
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 21:53 -0700
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                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 22:25 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 10:47 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 11:28 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-22 14:06 -0500
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 22:17 -0400
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 20:07 -0700
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 20:09 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-22 23:20 -0500
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 21:49 -0700
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 10:46 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 00:44 -0400
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Colby Zolotar <bolr@obzooota.yr> - 2023-08-24 09:32 +0000
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 10:50 -0700
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 14:28 -0400
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 21:50 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 06:58 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:26 -0400
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 10:41 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 22:21 -0400
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 20:10 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-23 01:24 -0400
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 22:59 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-21 23:58 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-22 15:19 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-22 17:49 -0700
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 20:06 -0700
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                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 20:04 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 14:09 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-21 21:25 +0000
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 14:18 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:43 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-19 00:13 -0400
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:15 +0200
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 18:43 -0500
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:52 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 14:51 -0500
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 16:50 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:01 -0400
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:06 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:07 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:10 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:17 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:26 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:31 -0400
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 01:00 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Williard Bah <rhab@ihdiadrd.lw> - 2023-08-23 10:30 +0000
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 05:57 -0500
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Basil Hariton <athi@iaribinh.bo> - 2023-08-23 11:51 +0000
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 07:48 -0500
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-21 20:07 -0500
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 17:21 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 17:41 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 18:07 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 19:52 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 19:58 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 08:51 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 09:55 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-28 15:20 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 06:09 -0700
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#618226

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-18 22:17 -0700
Message-ID<77826c0e-68cb-4b82-bb13-cd9346567e17n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618225
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 10:03:11 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 1:09:50 AM UTC-3, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:57:00 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> <snip>
> > > > And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that! 
> > 
> > > Provide EVIDENCE that space can be CURVED or shut the fuck up, cynic charlatan! 
> > > And don't dare to come with formulae. You can shove them deep into your ass. 
> > > Provide EXACT EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE about this fantastic and centenary fairy tale, which you worship like a gullible imbecile. 
> 
> 
> > I asked you for evidence first, so go stuff it where the sun don't shine. 
> > 
> > The mainstream physics, as claimed in textbooks and research papers worldwide, says that space is curved. It is NOT my theory and I am no expert. If you think that mainstream physics is incorrect, then all you need to do is provide evidence to support your position, at which time you will receive a Noble Prize. 
> > 
> > Pretty simple, eh?

> Of course that's pretty simple: you are a RETARDED PARROT that follows the herd, without knowing where it's going, what is the 
> purpose and how the cattle is so submissive. Just obey and repeat. 
> 
> You have NO LINKS TO EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE ABOUT SPACE BEING TWISTED AND CURVED BY MASSIVE CELESTIAL BODIES. 
> 
> You DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FUCK A "CURVED SPACE" MEANS and yet you're a supporter of the existence of 
> gravitational waves, black holes, gravitational redshift and time dilation. This, you being NOBODY, paint you as A COMPLETE IMBECILE. 
> 
> What the fuck are you doing here? Just defending Einstein because he was a Jew? Is that? 
> 
> And your main display of intelligence is to repeat, like a fucking retarded: "You don't know what you don't know", asshole. 
> 
> If you don't know shit about this matter, then you move based ON FAITH. And FAITH is the motor of any RELIGION. 
> 
> So, you are a religious worshiper of something that you're not qualified to understand but that you support because is MANDATORY 
> in your pagan religion based on pseudo-science, pseudo-philosophy, sophism, LIES and DECEPTIONS. 
> 
> The above describe you as the PERFECT IDIOT that this infamous religion of relativity needs, to continue the spread by indoctrination. 
> 
> So, what do you bring to the table: Books, papers, wording of popular self-hyped science MSM anchors, myths, fallacies, paradoxes, 
> insane proposals like the inflation of the universe one trillion times in 0,000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds, etc. 
> 
> Fucking retarded, a disgrace of a human species.

You, Dick, are one sick puppy.

You get all frustrated because you cannot possibly provide the evidence that I demand to support your position. I don't blame you for being frustrated because you don't have the brains given to a kumquat.

Sucks to be you, Dick, but that is just the way the ball bounces.

No, really,  you absolutely do not know what you do not know. Interacting with you is like shooting fish in a barrel. Child's play. Embarrassing.

Evidence rules, Dick, and you have zero evidence to support your very tenuous position. Since I support mainstream physics I have umpteen supporters in the form of tens of thousands of physicists (or maybe even more) worldwide. How many do you have? 2 or 3? 

Perhaps underwater basket weaving would be a more appropriate hobby for you.

I'm pretty sure that you do not have many fans here, if any at all...

Evidence rules, Dick... got any?

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#618232

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-18 22:38 -0700
Message-ID<93382879-4a46-4a50-8975-ef604844a483n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618226
On Saturday, 19 August 2023 at 07:17:02 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:

> Evidence rules, Dick

No, it doesn't, Al, it's only  making idiots like you spitting
with Polish jokes.

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#618297

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
Message-ID<707a7f10-af8c-48c9-ac27-5c1752215641n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618220
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 9:09:50 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:57:00 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 11:55:28 PM UTC-3, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > > > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:37:28 PM UTC-3, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > > The relativists here continue as bottom feeders attacking the worst critics because they can't handle the best. 
> > > > Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties". 
> 
> > > And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that! 
> 
> > Provide EVIDENCE that space can be CURVED or shut the fuck up, cynic charlatan! 
> > 
> > And don't dare to come with formulae. You can shove them deep into your ass. 
> > 
> > Provide EXACT EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE about this fantastic and centenary fairy tale, which you worship like a gullible imbecile.
> I asked you for evidence first, so go stuff it where the sun don't shine. 
> 
> The mainstream physics, as claimed in textbooks and research papers worldwide, says that space is curved. It is NOT my theory and I am no expert. If you think that mainstream physics is incorrect, then all you need to do is provide evidence to support your position, at which time you will receive a Noble Prize. 
> 
> Pretty simple, eh? 
> 
> Here, I will start you off... 
> 
> https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_42.html#:~:text=If%20we%20lay%20out%20a,more%20complicated%20than%20in%20two. 
> 
> ... all you need to do now is show me where Feynman has made a mistake... and once again, good luck with that! 
> 
> You don't know what you don't know and that is not likely to change anytime soon.
You and your silly appeals to authority. Here's one in return: Feynman said the geometrical interpretation of gravity is neither essential nor necessary for physics. So much for curved space.

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#618296

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
Message-ID<af85ccd0-9f1e-4af9-9a5d-916031ebf227n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618216
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 8:37:28 PM UTC-3, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > 
> > > The relativists here continue as bottom feeders attacking the worst critics because they can't handle the best. 
> > Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties".
> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that!
Elementary logic is sufficient to know space is not curved since that idea involves reification fallacy and time is not a spatial dimension.

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#618431

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-21 00:35 -0400
Message-ID<ubupjh$1ot38$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#618296
On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:

>>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties".

>> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that!

> Elementary logic is sufficient to know

No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had.

However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science.

And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
experimental evidence discovered. None.

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#618432

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-20 21:52 -0700
Message-ID<fb5e8fa7-0460-43a0-8f50-28777a3605d5n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618431
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> 
> >>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties". 
> 
> >> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that! 
> 
> > Elementary logic is sufficient to know 
> 
> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had. 
> 
> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science. 
> 
> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> experimental evidence discovered. None.

Hey, underwater basket weaving is an honorable profession... assuming that this is all you are qualified to do...

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#618447

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2023-08-21 10:36 +0200
Message-ID<1qft592.1u4kqwqamdslkN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#618432
Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04?PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:

> > No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental
> > evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's
> > bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had. 
> > 
> > However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
> > relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists"
> > who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also
> > doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists.
> > Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they
> > have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95
> > years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
> > something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong,
> > since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
> > evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science. 
> > 
> > And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or
> > experimental evidence discovered. None.
> 
> Hey, underwater basket weaving is an honorable profession... assuming that
> this is all you are qualified to do...

You are right. 'Majoring in fly casting at Oregon with a Ph.D. in
game-fish at Florida' is the canonical reference,

Jan

 

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#618438

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-20 22:46 -0700
Message-ID<83e84fb7-4810-49d8-9253-0b05097125fan@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618431
On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 06:36:04 UTC+2, Volney wrote:

> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
> evidence to disprove a theory. 

Only such an agnorant idiot can believe such a nonsensical
lie, stupid Mike. And the mumble of your idiot guru was not
even consistent.

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#618472

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-21 10:03 -0500
Message-ID<kkhcl6F47gcU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#618431
On 8/20/2023 11:35 PM, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
>>>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the 
>>>> simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be 
>>>> said that God has properties".
> 
>>> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that 
>>> space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck 
>>> with that!
> 
>> Elementary logic is sufficient to know
> 
> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had.
> 
> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science.
> 
> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> experimental evidence discovered. None.

The Irish have an adage that does a good job of explaining Laurence's
dilemma. "Eager eyes see far." This, naturally, includes things that
nobody can possibly see, but they're so very eager.

The first, and only, time I went deer hunting was in my 20's and I got
out to the meadow where I had seen deer earlier shortly before dawn. I
could make out deer at the far end of the meadow moving around grazing
and I wondered why they were staying so far away. As it slowly became
lighter I finally understood, what I saw as deer in the distance was
actually mounds of dirt. I was so disgusted with myself I never went
deer hunting  again.

That is my most extreme example but it explains many things clearly.

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#618492

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 13:30 -0700
Message-ID<66f38dc1-3824-4ddc-9a41-1db7b7e2a9a2n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618431
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> 
> >>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties". 
> 
> >> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that! 
> 
> > Elementary logic is sufficient to know 
> 
> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had. 
> 
> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science. 
> 
> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> experimental evidence discovered. None.
I have mentioned before that an illogical theory does not have predictive value so you are incorrect. BTW this is why Dingle remains absolutely correct and why his refutation of special relativity is eternally true.

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#618514

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-21 19:50 -0400
Message-ID<uc0t7a$231l8$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#618492
On 8/21/2023 4:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>
>>>>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties".
>>
>>>> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that!
>>
>>> Elementary logic is sufficient to know
>>
>> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental
>> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's
>> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had.
>>
>> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove
>> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists"
>> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also
>> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists.
>> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they
>> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95
>> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or
>> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong,
>> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without
>> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science.
>>
>> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or
>> experimental evidence discovered. None.

> I have mentioned before that an illogical theory does not have predictive value so you are incorrect.

It *does* have predictive values, of course. I can do the twin paradox 
with specific speeds and distances and relativity predicts the age 
difference. This is done all the time with muon storage rings etc.

But once again, if you want to prove relativity wrong, you have to 
create an experiment which specifically contradicts a prediction of 
relativity. 100+ years so far and it has never happened.

> BTW this is why Dingle remains absolutely correct and why his refutation of special relativity is eternally true.

Dingle was wrong because he got the problem wrong.

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#618516

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 17:09 -0700
Message-ID<15cfa48d-c392-4ee4-a072-3f518f73f98bn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618514
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:50:05 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:

<snip>

> Dingle was wrong because he got the problem wrong.

And you, Mr. Nobody, pretend to be smarter than Dingle?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Demented cretin.

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#618545

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-22 01:34 -0400
Message-ID<uc1hdc$2968k$8@dont-email.me>
In reply to#618516
On 8/21/2023 8:09 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:50:05 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> Dingle was wrong because he got the problem wrong.
> 
> And you, Mr. Nobody, pretend to be smarter than Dingle?
> 
I didn't get the SR time dilation formula wrong. Dingle did.
> 
> Demented cretin.

Nice signature, Dick.

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#618546

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 22:42 -0700
Message-ID<ea6ff8af-1bfd-426a-9f49-12b5d2d41a21n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618545
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 2:34:40 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 8:09 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: 

<snip>

> > Demented cretin. 
> 
> Nice signature, Dick.

How sad. The cretin Einstein plagiarized Lorentz and Poincaré.

You plagiarize Dono.

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#618577

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-22 15:30 -0400
Message-ID<uc32db$2hha5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#618546
On 8/22/2023 1:42 AM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 2:34:40 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/21/2023 8:09 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>>> Demented cretin.
>>
>> Nice signature, Dick.
> 
> How sad. The cretin Einstein plagiarized Lorentz and Poincaré.
> 
> You plagiarize Dono.

I have noticed people (typically cranks) creating perfect .sig files for 
themselves and commented on it many times in the past, and it wasn't 
copying Dono.

Just because both Dono and myself notice the obvious signatures you and 
others create doesn't mean one of us copied from the other. I mean 
phrases like "Demented cretin" describe yourself perfectly.

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#618524

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 20:12 -0700
Message-ID<70fa2985-be18-48aa-8a71-0e07415169c7n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618514
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:50:05 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/21/2023 4:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: 
> >> On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> >> 
> >>>>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties". 
> >> 
> >>>> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that! 
> >> 
> >>> Elementary logic is sufficient to know 
> >> 
> >> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
> >> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
> >> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had. 
> >> 
> >> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
> >> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
> >> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
> >> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
> >> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
> >> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
> >> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
> >> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
> >> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
> >> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science. 
> >> 
> >> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> >> experimental evidence discovered. None. 
> 
> > I have mentioned before that an illogical theory does not have predictive value so you are incorrect.
> It *does* have predictive values, of course. I can do the twin paradox 
> with specific speeds and distances and relativity predicts the age 
> difference. This is done all the time with muon storage rings etc. 
> 
> But once again, if you want to prove relativity wrong, you have to 
> create an experiment which specifically contradicts a prediction of 
> relativity. 100+ years so far and it has never happened.
> > BTW this is why Dingle remains absolutely correct and why his refutation of special relativity is eternally true.
> Dingle was wrong because he got the problem wrong.
I see you are ignorant of the early history of special relativity's claims about time dilation because Dingle correctly criticized that sufficiently to refute it. You are also unaware that GR was invoked to save SR's time dilation nonsense by more nonsense. You also have failed to give a cause but only mutter ambiguously about accelerations. Are you really claiming accelerations and turnarounds cause time dilation?

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#618526

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 20:18 -0700
Message-ID<46fcb0cc-1e87-450b-bffb-0e3d380201c2n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618524
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:12:12 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:50:05 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: 
> > On 8/21/2023 4:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: 
> > >> On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > >>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > >> 
> > >>>>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties". 
> > >> 
> > >>>> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that! 
> > >> 
> > >>> Elementary logic is sufficient to know 
> > >> 
> > >> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
> > >> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
> > >> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had. 
> > >> 
> > >> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
> > >> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
> > >> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
> > >> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
> > >> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
> > >> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
> > >> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
> > >> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
> > >> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
> > >> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science. 
> > >> 
> > >> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> > >> experimental evidence discovered. None. 
> > 
> > > I have mentioned before that an illogical theory does not have predictive value so you are incorrect. 
> > It *does* have predictive values, of course. I can do the twin paradox 
> > with specific speeds and distances and relativity predicts the age 
> > difference. This is done all the time with muon storage rings etc. 
> > 
> > But once again, if you want to prove relativity wrong, you have to 
> > create an experiment which specifically contradicts a prediction of 
> > relativity. 100+ years so far and it has never happened. 
> > > BTW this is why Dingle remains absolutely correct and why his refutation of special relativity is eternally true. 

> > Dingle was wrong because he got the problem wrong.

> I see you are ignorant of the early history of special relativity's claims about time dilation because Dingle correctly criticized that sufficiently to refute it. You are also unaware that GR was invoked to save SR's time dilation nonsense by more nonsense. You also have failed to give a cause but only mutter ambiguously about accelerations. Are you really claiming accelerations and turnarounds cause time dilation?

https://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath024/kmath024.htm

"Thus Dingle’s claim that Einstein never noticed this reciprocity is simply bizarre, as was Dingle’s "proof" of the logical inconsistency of special relativity. His reasoning can just as well be applied to “prove” that Euclidean geometry is logically inconsistent."

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#618493

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 13:38 -0700
Message-ID<f231374a-4859-4754-a67e-a32a1a372a2en@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618431
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> 
> >>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties". 
> 
> >> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that! 
> 
> > Elementary logic is sufficient to know 
> 
> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had. 
> 
> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science. 
> 
> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> experimental evidence discovered. None.
To be clear, because special relativity predicts that relative motion causes time dilation, and because both twins are in relative motion, it predicts both twins' time dilates. This is a contradictory and illogical prediction with no predictive value.

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#618495

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 14:05 -0700
Message-ID<66eb1570-bc52-4316-bcc2-e2f3fccc93ffn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618431
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> 
> >>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties". 
> 
> >> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that! 
> 
> > Elementary logic is sufficient to know 
> 
> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had. 
> 
> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science. 
> 
> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> experimental evidence discovered. None.
Please explain which twin is predicted to be time dilated when both are moving relative to the other and time dilation is caused by relative motion.

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#618512

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-21 19:41 -0400
Message-ID<uc0snk$231l8$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#618495
On 8/21/2023 5:05 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:

>> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or
>> experimental evidence discovered. None.

> Please explain which twin is predicted to be time dilated when both are moving relative to the other and time dilation is caused by relative motion.

And again, you don't understand the twin paradox. Time dilation as 
described in the 1905 paper only applies to inertial motion. And you can 
apply it to the PORTIONS of the journey where one twin moves at a 
constant speed relative to the other. However the turnaround 
event/acceleration causes all of the effects which causes the traveling 
twin to age less. It is NOT symmetrical.

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