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List of Critics of Relativity:

Started byLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
First post2023-08-16 17:38 -0700
Last post2023-08-29 09:45 -0700
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  List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 17:38 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-17 12:05 +1000
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 20:18 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 20:19 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-17 13:24 -0500
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-19 06:58 +0200
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:19 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 23:24 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-20 07:08 +0200
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 22:16 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:06 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:19 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 19:53 -0400
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 17:31 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 18:34 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 19:40 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:10 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:57 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 00:19 -0400
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 21:34 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:08 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 15:13 -0500
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:28 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 14:43 -0500
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 15:04 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 21:19 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 02:05 -0400
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:17 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 15:32 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 20:15 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 11:47 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:57 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:13 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:15 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:33 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:14 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 13:48 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:57 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:04 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:48 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 15:13 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-17 17:46 -0500
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:29 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:40 -0700
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 20:06 -0400
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 09:20 +0200
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:23 -0700
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:34 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 15:03 -0500
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:44 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-08-17 08:13 -0600
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:59 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:18 -0700
    Cranks Richard Hertz and Laurence Crossen run out of arguments "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 09:37 -0700
    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 20:15 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 11:50 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:12 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:36 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 22:40 +0200
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:49 -0700
        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 22:40 +0200
          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:43 -0700
            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 23:13 +0200
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:44 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-18 12:45 +0200
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 04:08 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 14:32 +0200
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:16 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:19 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 21:00 +0200
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:54 -0500
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:48 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 16:49 -0500
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:18 -0700
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Ben Harin <ianr@ninrbnnr.nn> - 2023-08-18 23:27 +0000
                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 15:40 -0500
                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 19:23 -0500
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:56 -0700
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:18 -0400
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:19 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 21:04 +0200
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:46 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:53 -0500
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:21 -0400
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Wayne Bereznevich <nwne@czewnebe.ze> - 2023-08-18 22:37 +0000
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:49 -0400
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Elton Vakar <eero@aklenaoo.av> - 2023-08-18 23:07 +0000
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:19 -0700
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Merlan Bauze <emeu@eabezeel.bn> - 2023-08-19 10:13 +0000
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-18 15:39 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:21 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:56 -0500
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 10:22 +0200
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:31 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 21:40 +0200
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 13:24 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-18 10:56 -0700
                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:08 -0700
                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:16 -0700
                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-18 11:36 -0700
                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 10:22 +0200
                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:49 +0200
                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:24 -0700
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:51 -0700
                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 18:01 +0200
                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 09:16 -0700
                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 18:51 +0200
                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 10:06 -0700
                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 10:30 -0700
                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:21 +0200
                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 12:56 +0200
                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 07:02 -0700
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 16:49 +0200
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 07:57 -0700
                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:35 +0200
                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:43 -0700
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:35 +0200
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 08:13 -0700
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 08:26 -0700
                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:13 +0200
                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:27 -0700
                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:56 +0200
                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 10:04 -0700
                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 19:49 +0200
                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:07 -0700
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:29 -0700
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 20:30 +0200
                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 12:05 -0700
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 23:15 -0700
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 23:28 -0700
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 10:36 +0200
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 06:21 -0700
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 06:40 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 07:11 -0700
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 07:29 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 08:13 -0700
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:49 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:58 -0700
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 07:53 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 18:03 +0200
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:50 -0700
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 23:21 +0200
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 23:21 +0200
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 00:38 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 01:02 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 11:54 +0200
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 03:05 -0700
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-22 09:38 -0500
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 20:05 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-22 19:52 -0500
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 11:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 13:15 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-23 15:52 -0500
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-24 11:07 -0700
                                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 14:39 -0400
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-03 17:48 -0700
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 12:19 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 22:58 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 21:41 -0400
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 11:08 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 22:36 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 01:01 -0700
                                                              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 11:54 +0200
                                                                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 23:06 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 23:23 -0700
                                                                  Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 12:01 +0200
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 03:10 -0700
                                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 04:22 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 13:55 +0200
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 05:08 -0700
                                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 15:56 -0700
                                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-24 14:02 +0200
                                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 05:53 -0700
                                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 13:31 -0700
                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:36 -0700
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Delmer Tupalo <rptm@lmlelodl.el> - 2023-08-20 18:44 +0000
                                                      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:29 -0400
                                                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Travis Bazili <aail@ttttviat.sv> - 2023-08-23 09:38 +0000
                                                          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 05:48 -0500
                                                            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Clarence Talkovsky <nskl@eccaryec.kv> - 2023-08-23 11:53 +0000
                                                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 12:11 -0700
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                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 17:52 +0200
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              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
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            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 00:35 -0400
              Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 21:52 -0700
                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 10:36 +0200
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                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:50 -0400
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                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:34 -0400
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                    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:26 -0400
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                        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 22:21 -0400
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    Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:43 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-19 00:13 -0400
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        Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
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      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:52 -0700
      Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
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            Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:01 -0400
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                Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:31 -0400
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          Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 19:52 -0700
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#618616

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-22 20:04 -0700
Message-ID<a56ed3af-a8cf-4742-ae83-192ce74bb6b1n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618589
On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 3:19:21 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > 
> > Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > 
> > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:41:43 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: 
> > > > On 8/21/2023 5:05 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > >> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> > > > >> experimental evidence discovered. None. 
> > > > 
> > > > > Please explain which twin is predicted to be time dilated when both are moving relative to the other and time dilation is caused by relative motion. 
> > > > And again, you don't understand the twin paradox. Time dilation as 
> > > > described in the 1905 paper only applies to inertial motion. And you can 
> > > > apply it to the PORTIONS of the journey where one twin moves at a 
> > > > constant speed relative to the other. However the turnaround 
> > > > event/acceleration causes all of the effects which causes the traveling 
> > > > twin to age less. It is NOT symmetrical. 
> > > Then I take your argument to be that time dilation is caused by inertial motion. How does it cause that? How does acceleration cause it? Time dilation is pure ad hoc fiction. 
> > 
> > What time does time dilate? October, 1971???? 
> >
> How amny clocks does it take to measure Time dilation??? you're gonna 
> need a lot of clocks, and then point to the one dat looks like it 
> worked. 
> 
> maybe the other clock... 
> 
> Truth is, Time dilation has never been proven my any experiment that 
> wasn't a fraud. 
> 
> Only fraud experiments prove Time dilation. 
> 
> 
> Might as well put a thousand clocks on a plane going in one direction... 
> 
> one of those clocks gotta work.
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge the unchallengeable.
Yes, and there are other processes of change besides oscillations of clocks like aging (except Paul hasn't aged since 3 years old).

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#618496

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 14:09 -0700
Message-ID<d6a3cb26-db43-4155-97eb-97acb05c4739n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618431
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> 
> >>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties". 
> 
> >> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that! 
> 
> > Elementary logic is sufficient to know 
> 
> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had. 
> 
> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science. 
> 
> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> experimental evidence discovered. None.
If it were only one twin that would not be relative motion.

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#618501

FromRichard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr>
Date2023-08-21 21:25 +0000
Message-ID<Na5FAO2YgE2E9KJlhe6ojOMDCzs@jntp>
In reply to#618496
Le 21/08/2023 à 23:09, Laurence Clark Crossen a écrit :
>> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
>> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
>> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had. 
>> 
>> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
>> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
>> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
>> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
>> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
>> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
>> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
>> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
>> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
>> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science. 
>> 
>> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
>> experimental evidence discovered. None.
> If it were only one twin that would not be relative motion.

The problem is simpler than that.

The problem, I kept saying, is purely human.

We now have enough experimentation and largely sufficient theoretical 
bases to do a good job.

The problem is that we don't WANT.

And we are in such a point of denial so great, and from all sides (both 
seasoned physicists and Newtonian cranks) that all this turns today, in 
2023, into a farce.

All this has become completely absurd by the fault of all or almost all.

And everybody saying, and teaching anything anyhow.

R.H. 

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#618497

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 14:18 -0700
Message-ID<652eac8b-5051-4ce9-86c6-be6859ae3bb8n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618431
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:36:04 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 2:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:55:28 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> >> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> 
> >>> Tesla, the great: "I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties". 
> 
> >> And yet, so far, there is zero evidence to support Tesla's claim that space cannot be curved... unless you can provide it... and good luck with that! 
> 
> > Elementary logic is sufficient to know 
> 
> No, it is not. Science demands scientific observations/experimental 
> evidence to disprove a theory. Not "elementary logic" like Newton's 
> bishops had, or which Copernicus' critics had. 
> 
> However, you need just ONE such observation/experiment to disprove 
> relativity. Not 100 authors writing or "1,500 accomplished scientists" 
> who just "know" relativity is "wrong". ONE experimental result. I also 
> doubt these "1,500 accomplished scientists" are actually scientists. 
> Either they aren't, or their words are taken out of context, or they 
> have PhDs in the 'science' of underwater basketweaving, or they are 95 
> years old and demented to the point that they yell at the moon or 
> something. No REAL physicist would just "know" relativity is wrong, 
> since they would know that "knowing" relativity is wrong without 
> evidence isn't science. Religion, maybe, but not science. 
> 
> And again, after 100+ years, there is NO such scientific observations or 
> experimental evidence discovered. None.
If only one is moving it must necessarily be absolute motion. Then the cause would have to be absolute and not relative motion.

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#618199

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-18 16:43 -0700
Message-ID<6580d204-6bf9-4000-afc2-c801a4bb4370n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617956
On Wednesday, August 16, 2023 at 5:38:41 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> List of Critics of Relativity: 
> 
> 
> A 
> 
> Max Abraham 
> 
> B 
> 
> Thomas G. Barnes 
> Petr Beckmann 
> Tom Bethell 
> Léon Brillouin 
> Steven B. Bryant 
> 
> C 
> Jeremiah Joseph Callahan 
> Robert D. Carmichael 
> Conservapedia 
> Gago Coutinho 
> Heber Doust Curtis 
> 
> D 
> 
> Deutsche Physik 
> Herbert Dingle 
> Hugo Dingler 
> John Doan 
> Edward Henry Dowdye 
> Pierre Duhem 
> 
> E 
> 
> Albert Eagle 
> Louis Essen 
> 
> F 
> Thomas C Van Flandern 
> Theodor Fritsch 
> 
> G 
> 
> Ernst Gehrcke 
> Lyubomir T. Gruyitch 
> Édouard Guillaume 
> 
> H 
> Ronald Hatch 
> Oliver Heaviside 
> Robert L. Henderson 
> Gerard Heymans 
> 
> I 
> Axel Idestrom 
> Herbert E. Ives 
> 
> K 
> Kamen George Kamenov 
> Wallace Kantor 
> Radwan Kassir 
> Nikolai Kasterin 
> Oskar Kraus 
> 
> L 
> 
> Joseph Larmor 
> Jean-Marie Le Roux 
> Philipp Lenard 
> Si-Xian Liang 
> Anatoly Logunov 
> Paul Lorenzen 
> Arthur Oncken Lovejoy 
> Otto Luther 
> Arthur Lynch (politician) 
> 
> M 
> 
> James MacKaye 
> William Duncan MacMillan 
> Stefan Marinov 
> Paul Marmet 
> Ian McCausland 
> Hjalmar Mellin 
> Dayton Miller 
> Edward Arthur Milne 
> Stjepan Mohorovičić 
> 
> Enrique Morales-Riveira 
> Forest Ray Moulton 
> 
> N 
> 
> Harald Nordenson 
> 
> O 
> 
> Alfred O'Rahilly 
> Arthur S. Otis 
> 
> P 
> 
> Menyhért Palágyi 
> Leonard Parish 
> Arthur Patschke 
> Thomas Phipps 
> Charles Lane Poor 
> Jermain G. Porter 
> S. J. Prokhovnik 
> 
> R 
> Alfred O'Rahilly 
> L. A. Redman 
> Arvid Reuterdahl 
> Walther Ritz 
> N. Rudakov 
> Rutherford, Ernest 
> 
> S 
> 
> Georges Sagnac 
> Andrew Schlafly 
> Rolf Schock 
> Thomas Jefferson Jackson See 
> Hugo von Seeliger 
> Jonas Sepetys 
> Jan Slowak 
> Harold Slusher 
> John Alexander Smith 
> Gennadiy Sokolov 
> Johannes Stark 
> Michael Straus 
> 
> T 
> 
> Bruno Thüring 
> 
> V 
> 
> Tom Van Flandern 
> 
> W 
> 
> Max Bernhard Weinstein 
> Paul Weyland 
> 
> XYZ 
> Hans J. Zweig
"The scientific establishment has been completely beside the mark by worshiping Albert Einstein and forgetting about Nikola Tesla. This logically thinking realist already wiped the floor with the theory of relativity in 1932 and thus proved for the umpteenth time to be far ahead of his time: 
"It might be inferred that I am alluding to the curvature of space supposed to exist according to the teachings of relativity, but nothing could be further from my mind. I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have no properties. It might as well be said that God has properties. He has not, but only attributes and these are of our own making. Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved, is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view." 
Isn't it just beautiful how Tesla makes perfectly clear that the Emperor of modern physics has no clothes with simple logic?" - "Electrical Engineer disproves Einsteins Relativity Theory: The Ruins of 106 Years Relativity" 

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#618221

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-19 00:13 -0400
Message-ID<ubpfhh$ka05$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#618199
On 8/18/2023 7:43 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

> Isn't it just beautiful how Tesla makes perfectly clear that the Emperor of modern physics has no clothes with simple logic?" - "Electrical Engineer disproves Einsteins Relativity Theory: The Ruins of 106 Years Relativity"

Again, why are so many cranks electrical engineers?

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#618235

FromAthel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-19 08:15 +0200
Message-ID<kkb502F4hc7U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#618221
On 2023-08-19 04:13:38 +0000, Volney said:

> On 8/18/2023 7:43 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> 
>> Isn't it just beautiful how Tesla makes perfectly clear that the 
>> Emperor of modern physics has no clothes with simple logic?" - 
>> "Electrical Engineer disproves Einsteins Relativity Theory: The Ruins 
>> of 106 Years Relativity"
> 
> Again, why are so many cranks electrical engineers?

I don't know, but I'm struck by the fact that a high proportion of the 
"scientists" who signed the Scientific Dissent from Darwinism were 
engineers of one sort of another.

-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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#618348

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
Message-ID<1qfq2xf.5l28nv10b0mzzN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#618221
Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 8/18/2023 7:43 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> 
> > Isn't it just beautiful how Tesla makes perfectly clear that the Emperor
> > of modern physics has no clothes with simple logic?" - "Electrical
> > Engineer disproves Einsteins Relativity Theory: The Ruins of 106 Years
> > Relativity"
> > 
> Again, why are so many cranks electrical engineers?

Don't know. A root cause, at least in this part of the world,
is that fundamentalist christians are over-represented
among (electrical) engineers. (wrt the general population)

So there is also no lack of engineers who know,
from their general expertise on everything of course,
that evolution must be false.

Jan

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#618200

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-18 18:43 -0500
Message-ID<kkae1rF12qaU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#617956
On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:

<...>

> Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved.

If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against.

Yet here you are...

Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can.

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#618201

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-18 16:52 -0700
Message-ID<5e72ce48-d2eb-4af9-b969-511dd166229fn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618200
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> 
> <...>
> > Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved.
> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against. 
> 
> Yet here you are... 
> 
> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can.

What did science measure that demonstrates relative motion?
If motion is measured how would it show it is a relative?

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#618292

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
Message-ID<35300ff1-a6bf-4431-b780-1b9118cfec0an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618200
On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> 
> <...>
> > Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved.
> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against. 
> 
> Yet here you are... 
> 
> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can.
Do you mean aside from the attribution not being a quote of mine? Get some fresh air and exercise. My point is exactly that there is nothing to argue against. That is what Rutherford said.

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#618312

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-19 14:51 -0500
Message-ID<kkckr2FbdejU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#618292
On 8/19/2023 1:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>> Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved.
>> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against.
>>
>> Yet here you are...
>>
>> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can.

> Do you mean aside from the attribution not being a quote of mine? 
> Get some fresh air and exercise. My point is exactly that there is 
> nothing to argue against. That is what Rutherford said.

"There is nothing to argue against" means agreement in any sane world.

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#618324

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-19 16:50 -0700
Message-ID<a5e882ee-e011-46c9-b595-65fd949689c9n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618312
On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 1:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >> 
> >> <...> 
> >>> Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved. 
> >> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against. 
> >> 
> >> Yet here you are... 
> >> 
> >> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can. 
> 
> > Do you mean aside from the attribution not being a quote of mine? 
> > Get some fresh air and exercise. My point is exactly that there is 
> > nothing to argue against. That is what Rutherford said.
> "There is nothing to argue against" means agreement in any sane world.
No, in a sane world, it means relativity doesn't have a case. Case dismissed.

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#618505

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-21 19:01 -0400
Message-ID<uc0qc0$231l8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#618324
On 8/19/2023 7:50 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>> On 8/19/2023 1:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>>>> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>> Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved.
>>>> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against.
>>>>
>>>> Yet here you are...
>>>>
>>>> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can.
>>
>>> Do you mean aside from the attribution not being a quote of mine?
>>> Get some fresh air and exercise. My point is exactly that there is
>>> nothing to argue against. That is what Rutherford said.

>> "There is nothing to argue against" means agreement in any sane world.

> No, in a sane world, it means relativity doesn't have a case. Case dismissed.

Whodat did say 'agreement in any sane world'. But in the insane bizarro 
world of Laurence, "I can't find anything to argue against" means it's 
wrong. And he thinks his bizarro world is sane.

There's nothing to argue against 2+2=4, so that's wrong in Laurence's 
bizarroworld?

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#618506

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 16:06 -0700
Message-ID<b679c791-e16a-424e-8e94-bbedfeefd8bfn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618505
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 7:50 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 8/19/2023 1:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >>>> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> <...> 
> >>>>> Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved. 
> >>>> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Yet here you are... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can. 
> >> 
> >>> Do you mean aside from the attribution not being a quote of mine? 
> >>> Get some fresh air and exercise. My point is exactly that there is 
> >>> nothing to argue against. That is what Rutherford said. 
> 
> >> "There is nothing to argue against" means agreement in any sane world. 
> 
> > No, in a sane world, it means relativity doesn't have a case. Case dismissed. 
> 
> Whodat did say 'agreement in any sane world'. But in the insane bizarro 
> world of Laurence, "I can't find anything to argue against" means it's 
> wrong. And he thinks his bizarro world is sane. 
> 
> There's nothing to argue against 2+2=4, so that's wrong in Laurence's 
> bizarroworld?
So you fail to refute my argument by default.

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#618507

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 16:07 -0700
Message-ID<e07f90ab-170e-4d4b-9266-fc6510c2917cn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618505
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 7:50 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 8/19/2023 1:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >>>> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> <...> 
> >>>>> Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved. 
> >>>> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Yet here you are... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can. 
> >> 
> >>> Do you mean aside from the attribution not being a quote of mine? 
> >>> Get some fresh air and exercise. My point is exactly that there is 
> >>> nothing to argue against. That is what Rutherford said. 
> 
> >> "There is nothing to argue against" means agreement in any sane world. 
> 
> > No, in a sane world, it means relativity doesn't have a case. Case dismissed. 
> 
> Whodat did say 'agreement in any sane world'. But in the insane bizarro 
> world of Laurence, "I can't find anything to argue against" means it's 
> wrong. And he thinks his bizarro world is sane. 
> 
> There's nothing to argue against 2+2=4, so that's wrong in Laurence's 
> bizarroworld?
Nitpicking is a fools' excuse.

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#618508

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 16:10 -0700
Message-ID<2c9a2c73-058f-4604-90b1-4f3ccf64f58dn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618505
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 7:50 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 8/19/2023 1:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >>>> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> <...> 
> >>>>> Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved. 
> >>>> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Yet here you are... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can. 
> >> 
> >>> Do you mean aside from the attribution not being a quote of mine? 
> >>> Get some fresh air and exercise. My point is exactly that there is 
> >>> nothing to argue against. That is what Rutherford said. 
> 
> >> "There is nothing to argue against" means agreement in any sane world. 
> 
> > No, in a sane world, it means relativity doesn't have a case. Case dismissed. 
> 
> Whodat did say 'agreement in any sane world'. But in the insane bizarro 
> world of Laurence, "I can't find anything to argue against" means it's 
> wrong. And he thinks his bizarro world is sane. 
> 
> There's nothing to argue against 2+2=4, so that's wrong in Laurence's 
> bizarroworld?
Ideologues defend ideologies by misconstruing as you are doing. 2+2= 5 in relativity. 2+2=4 in my world if you were to listen with any intelligence. Why don't you read the corrected comment? You are full of cheap excuses.

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#618509

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 16:17 -0700
Message-ID<31c1ec89-bc9a-4e20-97b4-a4a97e81906en@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618505
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 7:50 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 8/19/2023 1:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >>>> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> <...> 
> >>>>> Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved. 
> >>>> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Yet here you are... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can. 
> >> 
> >>> Do you mean aside from the attribution not being a quote of mine? 
> >>> Get some fresh air and exercise. My point is exactly that there is 
> >>> nothing to argue against. That is what Rutherford said. 
> 
> >> "There is nothing to argue against" means agreement in any sane world. 
> 
> > No, in a sane world, it means relativity doesn't have a case. Case dismissed. 
> 
> Whodat did say 'agreement in any sane world'. But in the insane bizarro 
> world of Laurence, "I can't find anything to argue against" means it's 
> wrong. And he thinks his bizarro world is sane. 
> 
> There's nothing to argue against 2+2=4, so that's wrong in Laurence's 
> bizarroworld?
Nitpicking is a form of straw man fallacy. I gave you an argument using a steel man of special relativity and you are unable to refute it.

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#618510

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-21 16:26 -0700
Message-ID<9c9c906c-08fa-43b8-9648-f6a065632289n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#618505
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/19/2023 7:50 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 8/19/2023 1:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >>>> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> <...> 
> >>>>> Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved. 
> >>>> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Yet here you are... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can. 
> >> 
> >>> Do you mean aside from the attribution not being a quote of mine? 
> >>> Get some fresh air and exercise. My point is exactly that there is 
> >>> nothing to argue against. That is what Rutherford said. 
> 
> >> "There is nothing to argue against" means agreement in any sane world. 
> 
> > No, in a sane world, it means relativity doesn't have a case. Case dismissed. 
> 
> Whodat did say 'agreement in any sane world'. But in the insane bizarro 
> world of Laurence, "I can't find anything to argue against" means it's 
> wrong. And he thinks his bizarro world is sane. 
> 
> There's nothing to argue against 2+2=4, so that's wrong in Laurence's 
> bizarroworld?
Would you show me where I said 2+2 does not equal 4?

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#618544

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-22 01:31 -0400
Message-ID<uc1h7v$2968k$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#618510
On 8/21/2023 7:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:01:24 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/19/2023 7:50 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 12:52:06 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>>>> On 8/19/2023 1:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 4:43:58 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/18/2023 6:31 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <...>
>>>>>>> Not a single one of the relativity propositions has been proved.
>>>>>> If that were actually true you would have noting to argue against.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet here you are...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Explain this to me, logically, please, if you can.
>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean aside from the attribution not being a quote of mine?
>>>>> Get some fresh air and exercise. My point is exactly that there is
>>>>> nothing to argue against. That is what Rutherford said.
>>
>>>> "There is nothing to argue against" means agreement in any sane world.
>>
>>> No, in a sane world, it means relativity doesn't have a case. Case dismissed.
>>
>> Whodat did say 'agreement in any sane world'. But in the insane bizarro
>> world of Laurence, "I can't find anything to argue against" means it's
>> wrong. And he thinks his bizarro world is sane.
>>
>> There's nothing to argue against 2+2=4, so that's wrong in Laurence's
>> bizarroworld?

> Would you show me where I said 2+2 does not equal 4?

whodat said "There is nothing to argue against" means agreement in any 
sane world.
You disagreed, you said it means it doesn't have a case.
I said there is nothing to argue against 2+2=4. [do you agree?]
So you apparently there isn't a case to state 2+2=4, according to your 
bizarroworld. So it must be false?

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