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Cordial Invitation to all Relativists.

Started byLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
First post2023-08-11 11:42 -0700
Last post2023-08-16 22:11 +0200
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  Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 11:42 -0700
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-11 18:48 +0000
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 13:04 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 14:20 -0700
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 12:00 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 12:19 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 12:26 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-11 21:32 +0200
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 13:06 -0700
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-11 16:46 -0500
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-12 12:07 +0200
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-12 09:52 +0200
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 13:28 -0700
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 13:39 -0700
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 14:31 -0700
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 14:39 -0700
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 14:44 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 15:24 -0700
                      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 16:10 -0700
                        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 16:35 -0700
                          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-11 22:20 -0400
                            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 20:10 -0700
                              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-12 12:31 -0400
                                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:12 -0700
                            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 20:21 -0700
                            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 21:24 -0700
                              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 21:41 -0700
                                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-12 15:34 -0400
                              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 22:05 -0700
                                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 22:20 -0700
                          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-16 20:43 +0200
                            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-16 12:29 -0700
                            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-16 12:45 -0700
                              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-16 22:34 +0200
                                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-16 13:45 -0700
                                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 17:55 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-11 17:28 -0500
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-13 13:03 +0200
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 20:52 -0700
                      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 20:57 -0700
                        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 21:07 -0700
                          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 21:31 -0700
                            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-14 07:16 -0700
                      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-14 10:30 +0200
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 15:33 -0700
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-12 12:53 +0200
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 04:12 -0700
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-12 07:53 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-12 08:07 -0700
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:04 +0200
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 10:57 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 10:27 +0200
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-13 10:34 +0200
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 03:49 -0700
                      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-13 15:17 +0200
                        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-13 14:53 +0000
                          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 17:21 +0200
                        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 08:35 -0700
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 16:08 -0700
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 16:43 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 16:53 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 16:55 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 17:45 -0700
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 20:47 -0700
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 15:51 -0700
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-14 16:00 -0700
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 23:50 -0700
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-15 01:02 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-15 17:57 -0400
                      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-15 15:34 -0700
                        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-15 22:20 -0400
                          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-16 10:25 -0700
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2023-08-12 10:54 +0300
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 06:46 -0700
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-12 22:44 +1000
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 09:05 -0500
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 07:23 -0700
        Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 08:44 -0700
          Re: Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 09:39 -0700
            Re: Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 10:02 -0700
            Re: Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:12 -0700
            Re: Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-12 17:14 -0400
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:12 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 15:21 -0500
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 13:33 -0700
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 16:21 -0500
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Malvin Bastian <ntit@iissiniv.ba> - 2023-08-12 21:25 +0000
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:01 -0700
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 17:34 -0500
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Americo Babanov <oboe@airmocov.vo> - 2023-08-12 20:39 +0000
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-12 17:09 -0400
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Justine Virvitsiotti <stvt@ijistiri.ss> - 2023-08-12 21:22 +0000
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 16:43 -0500
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 16:49 -0500
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-13 16:57 -0400
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Leopoldo Amet-Han <aleh@--ao---t.oe> - 2023-08-13 21:43 +0000
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-13 17:43 -0500
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-13 19:09 -0500
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 18:17 -0700
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 18:50 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 22:00 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-14 00:20 -0500
                      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 22:31 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-14 11:05 -0400
                      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-14 11:42 -0500
                        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-14 10:34 -0700
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 22:02 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 09:43 -0500
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-14 10:52 -0400
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 08:26 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 08:31 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-13 04:19 +0200
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 22:43 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:12 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 12:16 -0700
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 14:25 -0500
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maria Vanag <aavi@raaiavnr.ga> - 2023-08-12 19:49 +0000
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 17:28 -0500
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 12:48 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 15:24 -0500
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 13:33 -0700
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 16:46 -0500
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:02 -0700
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 18:23 -0700
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 18:50 -0700
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 20:13 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 21:20 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 21:21 -0700
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 20:48 -0700
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 20:55 -0700
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:03 -0700
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:09 -0700
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:10 -0700
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 17:36 -0500
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 13:38 -0700
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 13:42 -0700
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 17:39 -0500
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 18:20 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 20:33 -0700
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 10:20 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:12 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 18:17 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 12:56 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 13:02 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 20:37 -0700
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 12:51 -0700
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 10:24 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 11:49 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 20:50 +0200
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 12:03 -0700
          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-13 15:17 -0400
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 12:56 -0700
              Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-14 19:01 -0400
                Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 10:46 -0700
                  Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-15 22:22 -0400
                    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 20:18 -0700
                      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-16 10:37 -0400
                        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 18:23 +0200
                          Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 12:57 -0700
                            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-16 21:16 -0500
            Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-13 18:51 -0500
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 15:02 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 10:51 -0700
        Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 15:19 -0700
      Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Reign Derkach <rgae@eirrkrag.re> - 2023-08-16 10:57 +0000
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 15:27 -0700
    Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-16 22:11 +0200

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#617494

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 13:33 -0700
Message-ID<09c0eb76-9099-4391-8022-7bf256f674b4n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617491
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 1:24:24 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/12/23 1:12 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > It's amusing that GR claims that gravity can escape a black hole 
> > when it doesn't achieve escape velocity.
> GR makes no such claim. It's just that YOU do not understand this.
> > Every rational person can understand that to attract anything, 
> > gravity would have to escape.
> Not true. Every rational person would know that to understand how GR 
> models this requires understanding GR, which you clearly fail to do. 
> 
> Tom Roberts
I can understand that you can't defend relativity.

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#617509

FromTom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net>
Date2023-08-12 16:46 -0500
Message-ID<gMidndY9LNcBYEr5nZ2dnZfqlJz-fwAA@giganews.com>
In reply to#617494
On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> I can understand that you can't defend relativity.

Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish.

Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
clear that you understand neither.

Tom Roberts

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#617512

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 15:02 -0700
Message-ID<196cf120-a502-4de3-97f5-1cdfc2bbf759n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617509
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > I can understand that you can't defend relativity.
> Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> 
> Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> clear that you understand neither. 
> 
> Tom Roberts
It is quite clear you do not understand either, or you would not accept relativity.

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#617533

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 18:23 -0700
Message-ID<904013f0-470b-43a6-a25d-fb04a03aa92an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617512
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 3:02:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > I can understand that you can't defend relativity. 
> > Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> > Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> > 
> > Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> > clear that you understand neither. 
> > 
> > Tom Roberts
> It is quite clear you do not understand either, or you would not accept relativity.

Don't be silly. Tom and I can run circles around you.

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Jan

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#617535

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 18:50 -0700
Message-ID<ca55e93d-c13f-470b-b81e-e53197e3738fn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617533
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 3:02:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > > On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > I can understand that you can't defend relativity. 
> > > Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> > > Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> > > 
> > > Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> > > clear that you understand neither. 
> > > 
> > > Tom Roberts 

> > It is quite clear you do not understand either, or you would not accept relativity.
> Don't be silly. Tom and I can run circles around you. 

Still more evidence that Crossen does not know what he does not know...

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#617537

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 20:13 -0700
Message-ID<81b5b93b-d918-435c-8fed-dbb05f84f39dn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617533
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 3:02:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > > On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > I can understand that you can't defend relativity. 
> > > Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> > > Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> > > 
> > > Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> > > clear that you understand neither. 
> > > 
> > > Tom Roberts 
> > It is quite clear you do not understand either, or you would not accept relativity.
> Don't be silly. Tom and I can run circles around you. 
> 
> -- 
> Jan
I find your arguments and ideas to be utterly stupid as is relativity, in fact. I can't tell you how much you impress me.

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#617540

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 21:20 -0700
Message-ID<3a7c512a-6315-4bd2-ac86-5b2b8a78b086n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617537
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:13:40 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 3:02:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > > > On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > > I can understand that you can't defend relativity. 
> > > > Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> > > > Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> > > > 
> > > > Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> > > > clear that you understand neither. 
> > > > 
> > > > Tom Roberts 
> > > It is quite clear you do not understand either, or you would not accept relativity. 
> > Don't be silly. Tom and I can run circles around you. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jan
> 
> I find your arguments and ideas to be utterly stupid as is relativity, in fact. I can't tell you how much you impress me.

You answers are infantile: you asked a question about an aspect of
interpretation within GR. I answered by:

1. pointing out where you've made the wrong assumption about the
GR model. This was merely a statement of fact and is thus non-debatable,

2. I told you what GR's model of the situation was: essentially the same
answer is in Newtonian gravity: a (radially, say) shrinking object will produce
an unchanging gravitational field. That's where the black hole's gravitational
field comes from.

There is nothing you can do about this.

--
Jan

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#617541

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 21:21 -0700
Message-ID<7bc62bea-8192-4718-82c7-005927949156n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617537
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:13:40 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 3:02:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > > > On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > > I can understand that you can't defend relativity. 
> > > > Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> > > > Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> > > > 
> > > > Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> > > > clear that you understand neither. 
> > > > 
> > > > Tom Roberts 
> > > It is quite clear you do not understand either, or you would not accept relativity. 
> > Don't be silly. Tom and I can run circles around you. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jan
> I find your arguments and ideas to be utterly stupid as is relativity, in fact. I can't tell you how much you impress me.

And we still can run circles around you. At the speed of light :-)

--
Jan

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#617629

Frompatdolan <patdolan@comcast.net>
Date2023-08-13 20:48 -0700
Message-ID<2e60a0a5-5be4-41e5-9ed8-29b8cbf413bcn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617533
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 3:02:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > > On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > I can understand that you can't defend relativity. 
> > > Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> > > Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> > > 
> > > Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> > > clear that you understand neither. 
> > > 
> > > Tom Roberts 
> > It is quite clear you do not understand either, or you would not accept relativity.
> Don't be silly. Tom and I can run circles around you. 
> 
> -- 
> Jan
The only running I've ever seen you do is when you ran away from the BBP.

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#617631

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-13 20:55 -0700
Message-ID<c3e578b8-19da-4d0c-819e-14d40b67b0d5n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617629
On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 8:48:59 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote: 
> > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 3:02:22 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > > > On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > > > I can understand that you can't defend relativity. 
> > > > Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> > > > Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> > > > 
> > > > Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> > > > clear that you understand neither. 
> > > > 
> > > > Tom Roberts 
> > > It is quite clear you do not understand either, or you would not accept relativity. 
> > Don't be silly. Tom and I can run circles around you. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jan 

> The only running I've ever seen you do is when you ran away from the BBP.

The BBP, of course, is complete bullshit as invented by a total crank who knows little physics...

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#617513

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 15:03 -0700
Message-ID<61f8ee17-065e-4849-8c41-e602c963afc0n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617509
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > I can understand that you can't defend relativity.
> Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> 
> Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> clear that you understand neither. 
> 
> Tom Roberts
To judge by you, I have to conclude relativity cannot be defended.

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#617514

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 15:09 -0700
Message-ID<fd9ee989-6b9b-430b-b146-c33250c3547an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617509
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > I can understand that you can't defend relativity.
> Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> 
> Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> clear that you understand neither. 
> 
> Tom Roberts
I find your comments purely pretentious.

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#617515

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 15:10 -0700
Message-ID<e5010ebf-450c-4ca4-8bfb-62b0cc632735n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617509
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 2:46:16 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/12/23 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > I can understand that you can't defend relativity.
> Not to you, no. Because that is like attempting to discuss something in 
> Spanish with someone who does not speak a word of Spanish. 
> 
> Math and basic physics are the language of relativity, and it's quite 
> clear that you understand neither. 
> 
> Tom Roberts
Relativity itself is purely pretentious.

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#617520

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-12 17:36 -0500
Message-ID<kjqfsbFe4urU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#617494
WARNING:
I think we can safely assume that all of the postings
by Laurence after this point in time will clearly exhibit
his delusions. I can stop posting warnings now.


On 8/12/2023 3:33 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 1:24:24 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
>> On 8/12/23 1:12 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> It's amusing that GR claims that gravity can escape a black hole
>>> when it doesn't achieve escape velocity.
>> GR makes no such claim. It's just that YOU do not understand this.
>>> Every rational person can understand that to attract anything,
>>> gravity would have to escape.
>> Not true. Every rational person would know that to understand how GR
>> models this requires understanding GR, which you clearly fail to do.
>>
>> Tom Roberts
> I can understand that you can't defend relativity.

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#617495

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 13:38 -0700
Message-ID<072511fb-757d-42f8-8f82-710061197724n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617491
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 1:24:24 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/12/23 1:12 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > It's amusing that GR claims that gravity can escape a black hole 
> > when it doesn't achieve escape velocity.
> GR makes no such claim. It's just that YOU do not understand this.
> > Every rational person can understand that to attract anything, 
> > gravity would have to escape.
> Not true. Every rational person would know that to understand how GR 
> models this requires understanding GR, which you clearly fail to do. 
> 
> Tom Roberts
I don't see if relativity has any defense (clothes).

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#617497

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 13:42 -0700
Message-ID<8e1ef090-3b31-4ce4-bc1b-7987a66a2ccfn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617491
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 1:24:24 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 8/12/23 1:12 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > It's amusing that GR claims that gravity can escape a black hole 
> > when it doesn't achieve escape velocity.
> GR makes no such claim. It's just that YOU do not understand this.
> > Every rational person can understand that to attract anything, 
> > gravity would have to escape.
> Not true. Every rational person would know that to understand how GR 
> models this requires understanding GR, which you clearly fail to do. 
> 
> Tom Roberts
It is clear that you cannot understand the criticisms of relativity so you are unable to refute them.

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#617521

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-12 17:39 -0500
Message-ID<kjqg1cFe4urU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#617497
On 8/12/2023 3:42 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 1:24:24 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
>> On 8/12/23 1:12 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> It's amusing that GR claims that gravity can escape a black hole
>>> when it doesn't achieve escape velocity.
>> GR makes no such claim. It's just that YOU do not understand this.
>>> Every rational person can understand that to attract anything,
>>> gravity would have to escape.
>> Not true. Every rational person would know that to understand how GR
>> models this requires understanding GR, which you clearly fail to do.
>>
>> Tom Roberts
> It is clear that you cannot understand the criticisms of relativity so you are unable to refute them.

You do not know enough of science to present a *valid*
criticism of any aspect.

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#617532

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 18:20 -0700
Message-ID<794eb6f9-a548-4838-b269-9e456e9677a5n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617497
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 1:42:26 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 1:24:24 PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote:
> > On 8/12/23 1:12 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > It's amusing that GR claims that gravity can escape a black hole 
> > > when it doesn't achieve escape velocity. 
> > GR makes no such claim. It's just that YOU do not understand this. 
> > > Every rational person can understand that to attract anything, 
> > > gravity would have to escape. 
> > Not true. Every rational person would know that to understand how GR 
> > models this requires understanding GR, which you clearly fail to do. 
> > 
> > Tom Roberts
> It is clear that you cannot understand the criticisms of relativity so you are unable to refute them.

You didn't provide any criticism of relativity: you simply asked
a question whose form indicated that you assumed a falsehood as
your premise.

So Tom (and I) simply stated that GR did not actually model the
situation the way you think it did. In other words, your question was about
some nonexistent theory.

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Jan

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#617624

Frompatdolan <patdolan@comcast.net>
Date2023-08-13 20:33 -0700
Message-ID<76ec7e6e-d43f-4106-bec3-1f151e4862e5n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617472
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 11:12:23 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 7:06:12 AM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: 
> > On 8/11/23 1:42 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to 
> > > relativity, the speed of gravity is c. 
> > "Gravity" doesn't "escape a black hole". That's not how General 
> > Relativity models this. Before you can learn how GR does model this, you 
> > would have to learn basic physics and math. Unfortunately, your posts 
> > around here show that your are woefully unprepared for that. 
> > 
> > Tom Roberts
> It's amusing that GR claims that gravity can escape a black hole when it doesn't achieve escape velocity. Every rational person can understand that to attract anything, gravity would have to escape. The models are then absurd rationalizations for an ignorant pseudoscientific "theory." The stupidity achieved by the high flyers in the scientific world is endless.
Brilliant

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#617461

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-12 10:20 -0700
Message-ID<85c4c46a-d1b8-4d77-9277-6a3b7dccbe37n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617385
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to relativity, the speed of gravity is c.

GR models things differently. The gravity outside the horizon exists because
there was a gravitating body there in the past (and it collapsed).

The standard exact solutions are ideal limit versions of that in the sense that
the pre-existing body has been put in the limit of infinite past.

So there is no "gravity escaping" in the GR model.

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Jan

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