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| Started by | Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2023-08-11 11:42 -0700 |
| Last post | 2023-08-16 22:11 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 167 — 25 participants |
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Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 11:42 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-11 18:48 +0000
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 13:04 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 14:20 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 12:00 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 12:19 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 12:26 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-11 21:32 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 13:06 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-11 16:46 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-12 12:07 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-12 09:52 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 13:28 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 13:39 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 14:31 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 14:39 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 14:44 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 15:24 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 16:10 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 16:35 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-11 22:20 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 20:10 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-12 12:31 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:12 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 20:21 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 21:24 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 21:41 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-12 15:34 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 22:05 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 22:20 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-16 20:43 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-16 12:29 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-16 12:45 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-16 22:34 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-16 13:45 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 17:55 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-11 17:28 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-13 13:03 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 20:52 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 20:57 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 21:07 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 21:31 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-14 07:16 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-14 10:30 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 15:33 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-12 12:53 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 04:12 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-12 07:53 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-12 08:07 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:04 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 10:57 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 10:27 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-13 10:34 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 03:49 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-13 15:17 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-13 14:53 +0000
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 17:21 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 08:35 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 16:08 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-11 16:43 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 16:53 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-11 16:55 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 17:45 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 20:47 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 15:51 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-14 16:00 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 23:50 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-15 01:02 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-15 17:57 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-15 15:34 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-15 22:20 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-16 10:25 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2023-08-12 10:54 +0300
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 06:46 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-12 22:44 +1000
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 09:05 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 07:23 -0700
Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 08:44 -0700
Re: Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 09:39 -0700
Re: Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 10:02 -0700
Re: Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:12 -0700
Re: Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-12 17:14 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:12 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 15:21 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 13:33 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 16:21 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Malvin Bastian <ntit@iissiniv.ba> - 2023-08-12 21:25 +0000
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:01 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 17:34 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Americo Babanov <oboe@airmocov.vo> - 2023-08-12 20:39 +0000
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-12 17:09 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Justine Virvitsiotti <stvt@ijistiri.ss> - 2023-08-12 21:22 +0000
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 16:43 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 16:49 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-13 16:57 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Leopoldo Amet-Han <aleh@--ao---t.oe> - 2023-08-13 21:43 +0000
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-13 17:43 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-13 19:09 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 18:17 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 18:50 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 22:00 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-14 00:20 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 22:31 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-14 11:05 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-14 11:42 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-14 10:34 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 22:02 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 09:43 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-14 10:52 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 08:26 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 08:31 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-13 04:19 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 22:43 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:12 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 12:16 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 14:25 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maria Vanag <aavi@raaiavnr.ga> - 2023-08-12 19:49 +0000
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 17:28 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 12:48 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 15:24 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 13:33 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-12 16:46 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:02 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 18:23 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 18:50 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 20:13 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 21:20 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 21:21 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 20:48 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 20:55 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:03 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:09 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 15:10 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 17:36 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 13:38 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 13:42 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-12 17:39 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 18:20 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 20:33 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 10:20 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 11:12 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 18:17 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 12:56 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 13:02 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-13 20:37 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-12 12:51 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 10:24 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 11:49 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 20:50 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 12:03 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-13 15:17 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 12:56 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-14 19:01 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 10:46 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-15 22:22 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 20:18 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-16 10:37 -0400
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 18:23 +0200
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 12:57 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-16 21:16 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-13 18:51 -0500
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 15:02 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 10:51 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-15 15:19 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. Reign Derkach <rgae@eirrkrag.re> - 2023-08-16 10:57 +0000
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 15:27 -0700
Re: Cordial Invitation to all Relativists. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-16 22:11 +0200
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-08-11 16:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <db1687ad-a387-4b66-bc9a-3c7fbf5b6c0fn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617423 |
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:43:07 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: > On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: > > To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to relativity, the speed of gravity is c. > According to Wikipedia, the largest known black hole is TON 618, with 40,000,000,000 solar masses giving the escape velocity of 1,291,075,630 km/sec for a minimum speed of gravity or 4303 times the speed of light. Excellent work, L. Here is an response to the tide problem: https://www.quora.com/How-does-LIGO-monitor-tidal-forces-or-any-ground-movement-during-the-incoming-wave-Is-ground-distortion-ever-seen-by-LIGO I would like to consider your statement regarding the inverse square law which gravity waves obey. If LIGO is sensitive enough to detect huge events which are megaparsecs distant then what about smaller magnitudes waves generated in the LIGO parking lot? What is the threshold of detection there? Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter above LIGO (so there is no coupling with the Earth) be detected? If not, why not? How much mass must oscillate above LIGO before detection? I shall go back to LIGO with a camera crew and demand an answer from its Chief Administrator.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-08-11 16:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f8ddcd27-85e9-4cf6-9c23-30d5e7488d03n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617424 |
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:53:26 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:43:07 PM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: > > On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 11:42:50 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: > > > To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to relativity, the speed of gravity is c. > > According to Wikipedia, the largest known black hole is TON 618, with 40,000,000,000 solar masses giving the escape velocity of 1,291,075,630 km/sec for a minimum speed of gravity or 4303 times the speed of light. > Excellent work, L. > > Here is an response to the tide problem: https://www.quora.com/How-does-LIGO-monitor-tidal-forces-or-any-ground-movement-during-the-incoming-wave-Is-ground-distortion-ever-seen-by-LIGO > > I would like to consider your statement regarding the inverse square law which gravity waves obey. If LIGO is sensitive enough to detect huge events which are megaparsecs distant then what about smaller magnitudes waves generated in the LIGO parking lot? What is the threshold of detection there? Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter above LIGO (so there is no coupling with the Earth) be detected? If not, why not? How much mass must oscillate above LIGO before detection? I shall go back to LIGO with a camera crew and demand an answer from its Chief Administrator. Otherwise, I will demand that Joe Biden shut down the facility and its budget be given to Seattle's drug-addled-street-homeless.
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| From | Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-12 17:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e00903ab-8c71-4126-9f36-5cc017474decn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617424 |
On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:53:26 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter (so there > is no coupling with the Earth)... So, you believe a hovering helicopter exerts no force on the earth... There are actually jokes based on that childish misconception (truckload full of birds, etc.)
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-08-13 20:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3eb0e273-6321-4a83-a84f-6cecb5a277dfn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617529 |
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 5:45:51 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote: > On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:53:26 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > > Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter (so there > > is no coupling with the Earth)... > > So, you believe a hovering helicopter exerts no force on the earth... > There are actually jokes based on that childish misconception (truckload > full of birds, etc.) Foolish Legion, the super stallion disconnects the oscillator with the ground. We don't want the ground around LIGO shaking at precisely the same frequency we are attempting to transmit by gravity waves. The prop wash may affect LIGO, but at a completely different freq.
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| From | Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-14 15:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <95f2f621-9aef-472b-8469-29852ff3ff0an@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617628 |
On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 8:47:48 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > > > Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter (so there > > > is no coupling with the Earth)... > > > > So, you believe a hovering helicopter exerts no force on the earth... > > There are actually jokes based on that childish misconception (truckload > > full of birds, etc.) > > The helicopter disconnects the oscillator with the ground. No, any ocillations in the mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground. Again, the idea that with a hovering helicopter "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-08-14 16:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a0d1acd3-e220-4901-8de2-30c207819d24n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617720 |
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 3:51:03 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote: > On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 8:47:48 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > > > > Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter (so there > > > > is no coupling with the Earth)... > > > > > > So, you believe a hovering helicopter exerts no force on the earth... > > > There are actually jokes based on that childish misconception (truckload > > > full of birds, etc.) > > > > The helicopter disconnects the oscillator with the ground. > > No, any ocillations in the mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground. Again, the idea that with a hovering helicopter "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of. Legion, have you had a heatstroke in the Seattle hot weather today? Or has relativity turned your mind to mush? Did you not read wherein I instructed you that any prop wash force against the earth would be at a vastly different frequency and amplitude from the Super Stallion Suspended 10-10-10-10 oscillator.
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| From | Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-14 23:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <eebb6a0a-dd4e-4070-82f1-1e6975774723n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617721 |
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > > > > > Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter (so there > > > > > is no coupling with the Earth)... > > > > > > > > So, you believe a hovering helicopter exerts no force on the earth... > > > > There are actually jokes based on that childish misconception (truckload > > > > full of birds, etc.) > > > > > > The helicopter disconnects the oscillator with the ground. > > > > No, any ocillations in the mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground. Again, the idea that with a hovering helicopter "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of. > > Any prop wash force against the earth would be at a vastly different frequency > and amplitude from the suspended oscillator. You're just reiterating the misconception. Again, any ocillations in the suspended mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground... yes, at the same frequency. The idea that, with a hovering helicopter, "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of, similar to the belief that arithmetic implies 1=-1. Look, if you want to generate quadripole waves (the lowest-order gravitational waves), you need an isolated oscillating dipole mass, i.e., two masses connected by a spring, oscillating back and forth. No net external forces. Your helicopter is comically braindead. Of course, this won't generate waves of detectable magnitude for any realistic size masses.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-08-15 01:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ed7610dd-8582-47b7-a942-808d72c52157n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617755 |
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:50:15 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > > > > > > Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter (so there > > > > > > is no coupling with the Earth)... > > > > > > > > > > So, you believe a hovering helicopter exerts no force on the earth... > > > > > There are actually jokes based on that childish misconception (truckload > > > > > full of birds, etc.) > > > > > > > > The helicopter disconnects the oscillator with the ground. > > > > > > No, any ocillations in the mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground. Again, the idea that with a hovering helicopter "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of. > > > > Any prop wash force against the earth would be at a vastly different frequency > > and amplitude from the suspended oscillator. > > You're just reiterating the misconception. Again, any ocillations in the suspended mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground... yes, at the same frequency. The idea that, with a hovering helicopter, "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of, similar to the belief that arithmetic implies 1=-1. Look, if you want to generate quadripole waves (the lowest-order gravitational waves), you need an isolated oscillating dipole mass, i.e., two masses connected by a spring, oscillating back and forth. No net external forces. Your helicopter is comically braindead. Of course, this won't generate waves of detectable magnitude for any realistic size masses. Legion, I believe you have had a mental trauma. The frequency of the Super Stallion prop wash can be in no way comparable to the frequency of the simply harmonic oscillator slung beneath the Super Stallion. Remember? Do you understand this? Ask me if any of this is still unclear to you. You and Ross are invited to tomorrow night's Duck Dodge. I'll be on a paddle board wearing one of those bird-beaked Mardi Gras ball masks. Mardi Gras is this week's Duck Dodge theme.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-08-15 17:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ubgscm$2vr41$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #617756 |
On 8/15/2023 4:02 AM, patdolan wrote: > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:50:15 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote: >> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: >>>>>>> Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter (so there >>>>>>> is no coupling with the Earth)... >>>>>> >>>>>> So, you believe a hovering helicopter exerts no force on the earth... >>>>>> There are actually jokes based on that childish misconception (truckload >>>>>> full of birds, etc.) >>>>> >>>>> The helicopter disconnects the oscillator with the ground. >>>> >>>> No, any ocillations in the mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground. Again, the idea that with a hovering helicopter "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of. >>> >>> Any prop wash force against the earth would be at a vastly different frequency >>> and amplitude from the suspended oscillator. >> >> You're just reiterating the misconception. Again, any ocillations in the suspended mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground... yes, at the same frequency. The idea that, with a hovering helicopter, "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of, similar to the belief that arithmetic implies 1=-1. Look, if you want to generate quadripole waves (the lowest-order gravitational waves), you need an isolated oscillating dipole mass, i.e., two masses connected by a spring, oscillating back and forth. No net external forces. Your helicopter is comically braindead. Of course, this won't generate waves of detectable magnitude for any realistic size masses. > Legion, I believe you have had a mental trauma. The frequency of the Super Stallion prop wash can be in no way comparable to the frequency of the simply harmonic oscillator slung beneath the Super Stallion. Remember? Do you understand this? Ask me if any of this is still unclear to you. You do realize, don't you, that the frequency of the suspended oscillating mass will be superimposed on the frequency of the helicopter blades on the force on the ground, don't you? No, I'm sure you don't. Now make yourself useful, go fetch a bucket of prop wash.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-08-15 15:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b11117dd-7930-471f-8ae2-3b98efd544ben@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617833 |
On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:57:45 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > On 8/15/2023 4:02 AM, patdolan wrote: > > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:50:15 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote: > >> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > >>>>>>> Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter (so there > >>>>>>> is no coupling with the Earth)... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> So, you believe a hovering helicopter exerts no force on the earth... > >>>>>> There are actually jokes based on that childish misconception (truckload > >>>>>> full of birds, etc.) > >>>>> > >>>>> The helicopter disconnects the oscillator with the ground. > >>>> > >>>> No, any ocillations in the mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground. Again, the idea that with a hovering helicopter "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of. > >>> > >>> Any prop wash force against the earth would be at a vastly different frequency > >>> and amplitude from the suspended oscillator. > >> > >> You're just reiterating the misconception. Again, any ocillations in the suspended mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground... yes, at the same frequency. The idea that, with a hovering helicopter, "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of, similar to the belief that arithmetic implies 1=-1. Look, if you want to generate quadripole waves (the lowest-order gravitational waves), you need an isolated oscillating dipole mass, i.e., two masses connected by a spring, oscillating back and forth. No net external forces. Your helicopter is comically braindead. Of course, this won't generate waves of detectable magnitude for any realistic size masses. > > > Legion, I believe you have had a mental trauma. The frequency of the Super Stallion prop wash can be in no way comparable to the frequency of the simply harmonic oscillator slung beneath the Super Stallion. Remember? Do you understand this? Ask me if any of this is still unclear to you. > You do realize, don't you, that the frequency of the suspended > oscillating mass will be superimposed on the frequency of the helicopter > blades on the force on the ground, don't you? No, I'm sure you don't. > > Now make yourself useful, go fetch a bucket of prop wash. I grant you that Moroney. But the air component of the oscillator's frequency must be attenuated by a factor 100. If that's not enough then suspend the oscillator from a 1000 foot leash. In that case the air component attenuation must be almost infinite.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-08-15 22:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <ubhbos$35hk7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #617836 |
On 8/15/2023 6:34 PM, patdolan wrote: > On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:57:45 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: >> On 8/15/2023 4:02 AM, patdolan wrote: >>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:50:15 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote: >>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: >>>>>>>>> Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter (so there >>>>>>>>> is no coupling with the Earth)... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, you believe a hovering helicopter exerts no force on the earth... >>>>>>>> There are actually jokes based on that childish misconception (truckload >>>>>>>> full of birds, etc.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The helicopter disconnects the oscillator with the ground. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, any ocillations in the mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground. Again, the idea that with a hovering helicopter "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of. >>>>> >>>>> Any prop wash force against the earth would be at a vastly different frequency >>>>> and amplitude from the suspended oscillator. >>>> >>>> You're just reiterating the misconception. Again, any ocillations in the suspended mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground... yes, at the same frequency. The idea that, with a hovering helicopter, "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of, similar to the belief that arithmetic implies 1=-1. Look, if you want to generate quadripole waves (the lowest-order gravitational waves), you need an isolated oscillating dipole mass, i.e., two masses connected by a spring, oscillating back and forth. No net external forces. Your helicopter is comically braindead. Of course, this won't generate waves of detectable magnitude for any realistic size masses. >> >>> Legion, I believe you have had a mental trauma. The frequency of the Super Stallion prop wash can be in no way comparable to the frequency of the simply harmonic oscillator slung beneath the Super Stallion. Remember? Do you understand this? Ask me if any of this is still unclear to you. >> You do realize, don't you, that the frequency of the suspended >> oscillating mass will be superimposed on the frequency of the helicopter >> blades on the force on the ground, don't you? No, I'm sure you don't. >> >> Now make yourself useful, go fetch a bucket of prop wash. > I grant you that Moroney. But the air component of the oscillator's frequency must be attenuated by a factor 100. If that's not enough then suspend the oscillator from a 1000 foot leash. In that case the air component attenuation must be almost infinite. No, it will be proportional to the motion, regardless of the length of the "leash".
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-08-16 10:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <457016da-7411-470b-854d-f8007d89d948n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617856 |
On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 7:20:16 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > On 8/15/2023 6:34 PM, patdolan wrote: > > On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:57:45 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >> On 8/15/2023 4:02 AM, patdolan wrote: > >>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 11:50:15 PM UTC-7, Bill wrote: > >>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:01:00 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Can an oscillating one ton mass suspended from a helicopter (so there > >>>>>>>>> is no coupling with the Earth)... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So, you believe a hovering helicopter exerts no force on the earth... > >>>>>>>> There are actually jokes based on that childish misconception (truckload > >>>>>>>> full of birds, etc.) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The helicopter disconnects the oscillator with the ground. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> No, any ocillations in the mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground. Again, the idea that with a hovering helicopter "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any prop wash force against the earth would be at a vastly different frequency > >>>>> and amplitude from the suspended oscillator. > >>>> > >>>> You're just reiterating the misconception. Again, any ocillations in the suspended mass would result in oscillations in the force exerted by the hovering helicopter on the ground... yes, at the same frequency. The idea that, with a hovering helicopter, "there is no coupling with the Earth" is the kind of childish misconception that jokes are made of, similar to the belief that arithmetic implies 1=-1. Look, if you want to generate quadripole waves (the lowest-order gravitational waves), you need an isolated oscillating dipole mass, i.e., two masses connected by a spring, oscillating back and forth. No net external forces. Your helicopter is comically braindead. Of course, this won't generate waves of detectable magnitude for any realistic size masses. > >> > >>> Legion, I believe you have had a mental trauma. The frequency of the Super Stallion prop wash can be in no way comparable to the frequency of the simply harmonic oscillator slung beneath the Super Stallion. Remember? Do you understand this? Ask me if any of this is still unclear to you. > >> You do realize, don't you, that the frequency of the suspended > >> oscillating mass will be superimposed on the frequency of the helicopter > >> blades on the force on the ground, don't you? No, I'm sure you don't. > >> > >> Now make yourself useful, go fetch a bucket of prop wash. > > I grant you that Moroney. But the air component of the oscillator's frequency must be attenuated by a factor 100. If that's not enough then suspend the oscillator from a 1000 foot leash. In that case the air component attenuation must be almost infinite. > No, it will be proportional to the motion, regardless of the length of > the "leash". For arguments sake, I grant this too. Now what? Well, we simply request that the LIGO gravity wave "detection algorithm" writers write a detection algorithm that recognizes the signature of our suspended quadrupole oscillator. This is a great compromise, Mulroney. Because it tests both the LIGO and the theory/formulas of GR. This really raises the stakes for LIGO.
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| From | Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> |
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| Date | 2023-08-12 10:54 +0300 |
| Message-ID | <ub7dqt$18kao$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #617385 |
On 2023-08-11 18:42:48 +0000, Laurence Clark Crossen said: > To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to > relativity, the speed of gravity is c. Gravity does not escape a black hole. The gravity observed near a black hole never was in the black hole. Mikko
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| From | Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-12 06:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0b9930a1-c678-47a6-9bb4-baaba87d0c8en@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617438 |
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 12:54:09 AM UTC-7, Mikko wrote: > On 2023-08-11 18:42:48 +0000, Laurence Clark Crossen said: > > > To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to > > relativity, the speed of gravity is c. > Gravity does not escape a black hole. The gravity observed near a > black hole never was in the black hole. > > Mikko very amusing
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-08-12 22:44 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <kjpd5eF844bU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #617385 |
On 12-Aug-23 4:42 am, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: > To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to relativity, the speed of gravity is c. The speed of CHANGES is c. Sylvia.
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2023-08-12 09:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o72cnYdlttJaDEr5nZ2dnZfqlJ9j4p2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #617385 |
On 8/11/23 1:42 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: > To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to > relativity, the speed of gravity is c. "Gravity" doesn't "escape a black hole". That's not how General Relativity models this. Before you can learn how GR does model this, you would have to learn basic physics and math. Unfortunately, your posts around here show that your are woefully unprepared for that. Tom Roberts
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-12 07:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5db8fba9-2c2e-4a4d-b6e3-8d37f5191c99n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617447 |
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 11:06:12 AM UTC-3, Tom Roberts wrote: > On 8/11/23 1:42 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: > > To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to > > relativity, the speed of gravity is c. > "Gravity" doesn't "escape a black hole". That's not how General > Relativity models this. Before you can learn how GR does model this, you > would have to learn basic physics and math. Unfortunately, your posts > around here show that your are woefully unprepared for that. > > Tom Roberts According to your beloved GR theory, after 100 years of modification, gravity CAN ESCAPE from a black hole. Blame the fucking theoreticians that you worship and would love to imitate, or refute the following article: How Do Particles Escape Black Holes? Supercomputers May Have the Answer https://www.space.com/43151-how-particles-escape-black-holes.html QUOTE: The gravitational pull of a black hole is so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape once it gets too close. However, there is one way to escape a black hole — but only if you're a subatomic particle. As black holes gobble up the matter in their surroundings, they also spit out powerful jets of hot plasma containing electrons and positrons, the antimatter equivalent of electrons. Just before those lucky incoming particles reach the event horizon, or the point of no return, they begin to accelerate. Moving at close to the speed of light, these particles ricochet off the event horizon and get hurled outward along the black hole's axis of rotation. ********** See? Matter, origin of gravity, can be spat out of black holes. Just for this, BH loses a certain amount of gravity. And matter is lost almost at c speed (or equal to).
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-12 08:44 -0700 |
| Subject | Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres |
| Message-ID | <53aa5860-ce89-4864-b1fd-c6a69f9b47f4n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617448 |
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 7:23:12 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 11:06:12 AM UTC-3, Tom Roberts wrote: > > On 8/11/23 1:42 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: > > > To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to > > > relativity, the speed of gravity is c. > > "Gravity" doesn't "escape a black hole". That's not how General > > Relativity models this. Before you can learn how GR does model this, you > > would have to learn basic physics and math. Unfortunately, your posts > > around here show that your are woefully unprepared for that. > > > > Tom Roberts > According to your beloved GR theory, after 100 years of modification, gravity CAN ESCAPE from a black hole. > Blame the fucking theoreticians that you worship and would love to imitate, or refute the following article: > > How Do Particles Escape Black Holes? Supercomputers May Have the Answer > https://www.space.com/43151-how-particles-escape-black-holes.html > > QUOTE: > > The gravitational pull of a black hole is so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape once it gets too close. However, there is one way to escape a black hole — but only if you're a subatomic particle. > > As black holes gobble up the matter in their surroundings, they also spit out powerful jets of hot plasma containing electrons and positrons, the antimatter equivalent of electrons. Just before those lucky incoming particles reach the event horizon, or the point of no return, they begin to accelerate. Moving at close to the speed of light, these particles ricochet off the event horizon and get hurled outward along the black hole's axis of rotation. > > ********** > > See? Matter, origin of gravity, can be spat out of black holes. Just for this, BH loses a certain amount of gravity. > > And matter is lost almost at c speed (or equal to). Dumbestfuck No particle can escape from within the event horizon. The particles mentioned in the article are OUTSIDE the event horizon.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-12 09:39 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres |
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On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 12:44:16 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote: > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 7:23:12 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 11:06:12 AM UTC-3, Tom Roberts wrote: > > > On 8/11/23 1:42 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: > > > > To explain how gravity escapes a black hole when, according to > > > > relativity, the speed of gravity is c. > > > "Gravity" doesn't "escape a black hole". That's not how General > > > Relativity models this. Before you can learn how GR does model this, you > > > would have to learn basic physics and math. Unfortunately, your posts > > > around here show that your are woefully unprepared for that. > > > > > > Tom Roberts > > According to your beloved GR theory, after 100 years of modification, gravity CAN ESCAPE from a black hole. > > Blame the fucking theoreticians that you worship and would love to imitate, or refute the following article: > > > > How Do Particles Escape Black Holes? Supercomputers May Have the Answer > > https://www.space.com/43151-how-particles-escape-black-holes.html > > > > QUOTE: > > > > The gravitational pull of a black hole is so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape once it gets too close. However, there is one way to escape a black hole — but only if you're a subatomic particle. > > > > As black holes gobble up the matter in their surroundings, they also spit out powerful jets of hot plasma containing electrons and positrons, the antimatter equivalent of electrons. Just before those lucky incoming particles reach the event horizon, or the point of no return, they begin to accelerate. Moving at close to the speed of light, these particles ricochet off the event horizon and get hurled outward along the black hole's axis of rotation. > > > > ********** > > > > See? Matter, origin of gravity, can be spat out of black holes. Just for this, BH loses a certain amount of gravity. > > > > And matter is lost almost at c speed (or equal to). > Dumbestfuck > > No particle can escape from within the event horizon. The particles mentioned in the article are OUTSIDE the event horizon. DYSLEXIC IMBECILE! Particles ARE EJECTED from the center of black holes, in highly energetic twin & OPPOSITE particle beams! Learn how to deal with your miserable text comprenhension, FUCKING RETARDED! https://www.space.com/43151-how-particles-escape-black-holes.html "How can the energy in a black hole's rotation be extracted to make jets?" Kyle Parfrey, who led the black hole simulations during his time as a postdoctoral fellow at Berkeley Lab, said in a statement. "This has been a question for a long time." Parfrey is now a senior fellow at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland.
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-12 10:02 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Cretin crank Richard Hertz perseveres |
| Message-ID | <6ea5de18-94c6-4a1b-bfde-4099710f2296n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #617458 |
On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 9:39:29 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: > > Dumbestfuck > > > > No particle can escape from within the event horizon. The particles mentioned in the article are OUTSIDE the event horizon. > DYSLEXIC IMBECILE! > Yes, we know you are an imbecile, Dick. > Particles ARE EJECTED from the center of black holes, Nope. See above. > "How can the energy in a black hole's rotation be extracted to make jets?" Kyle Parfrey, who led the black hole simulations during his time as a postdoctoral fellow at Berkeley Lab, said in a statement. "This has been a question for a long time." Parfrey is now a senior fellow at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland. Nothing about "Particles ARE EJECTED from the center of black holes,". You are eating shit once again.
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