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  Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:31 -0700
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:37 -0700
      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 18:07 -0700
      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 19:08 -0700
        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 20:34 -0700
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 21:18 -0700
      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 01:04 -0700
        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-07 11:15 +0200
          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 08:24 -0700
            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 08:31 -0700
              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-07 10:21 -0700
            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 19:32 +0200
              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 12:39 -0500
              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 16:58 -0700
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 18:41 -0700
                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-08 07:30 -0700
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-08 12:26 -0700
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-08 21:49 -0700
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 08:47 +0200
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-16 07:47 +0200
              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 09:04 -0700
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-08 12:57 -0500
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 11:47 -0700
                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 15:52 -0700
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 21:37 -0700
            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-09 08:26 +0200
              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 12:43 +0200
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-09 11:54 -0400
                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 18:25 +0200
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 09:48 -0700
                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-09 11:14 -0700
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 21:47 +0200
                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 13:05 -0700
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 22:57 +0200
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 15:21 -0700
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 15:39 -0700
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-10 11:37 +0200
                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 07:35 -0700
                                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 07:37 -0700
                                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 08:31 -0700
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-09 16:16 -0700
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 19:17 +0200
                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 21:47 +0200
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-10 07:31 +0200
                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-10 11:37 +0200
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-11 08:20 +0200
                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-16 18:19 -0400
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-17 07:42 +0200
                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 00:53 -0700
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 02:04 -0700
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Booker Martos <etrs@eoaksmao.tb> - 2023-08-23 10:09 +0000
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-23 16:33 +0000
                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-24 02:06 +0200
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-24 00:23 +0000
                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 13:25 -0400
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 10:31 -0700
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 13:09 -0700
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-24 21:45 +0000
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 15:10 -0700
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 12:07 +0000
                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 14:09 -0700
                                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Lee Mihailovich <mmhc@eoeilhll.av> - 2023-08-26 21:20 +0000
                                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 20:48 -0700
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 12:12 +0000
                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-25 14:34 +0200
                                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 15:47 +0000
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-25 02:03 -0400
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 12:21 +0000
                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-26 19:54 -0400
                                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Ryker Libman <kmki@kkrmkaik.km> - 2023-08-27 08:25 +0000
                                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 10:47 -0500
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                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-26 09:13 +0200
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-26 10:44 -0400
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 08:09 -0700
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 14:12 -0700
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-31 08:35 +0200
                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 09:19 +0200
                                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 00:31 -0700
                                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-08 09:28 +0200
                                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 00:43 -0700
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                                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 22:16 -0700
                                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-09 07:59 +0200
                                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 23:47 -0700
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                                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-09 22:45 -0700
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                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 11:07 -0700
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 13:13 -0700
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 11:25 +0200
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-30 07:52 +0200
                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-28 12:22 -0700
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 21:32 -0700
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 12:28 -0700
      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-16 07:50 +0200
        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Lukas Vainberger <asag@rkarueik.ub> - 2023-08-16 11:42 +0000
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 09:18 -0700
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          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 13:18 -0700
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#617228

J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
> Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:47:42?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dono. wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31╯AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do
> > > > > > with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting
> > > > > > an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did he ever say that or you made it all up?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Einistein-attachment.jpg
> > > Thanks for saving me the trouble to dig that one up again.
> > > Einstein was in a very difficult position, after 1948.
> > > Given his immense public weight he didn't want to say anything
> > > detrimental to the nascent state of Israel,
> > > but he didn't want to support terrorism either.
> > > He had seen more than enough of it in earlier phases of his life.
> > >
> > > He probably hoped that Ben Gurion would be able to set things staight,
> > >
> > > Jan
> > I asked you to support your claim about Einstein referring to "ethnic
> > cleansing" . The crank you are thanking to could not dig out anything.
> > Looks like some of you still suffer the british butthurt of being kicked
> > out of the former colonies. To the extent of sucking up to the real
> > terrorists, the palis.
> 
> You are quote mining. Einstein explicitly mentions
> "the Terrorist organizations build up from our side"
> and calls them "misled and criminal people"
> 'ethic cleansing' was my rendition of it, not Einstein's.
> It couldn't have been his, because the term hadn't been invented yet.
> 
> Einstein wanted to have nothing to do with them
> and he didn't want to support them in any way.
> 
> FYI, Lohamei Herut Yisrael, (Fighters for the Freedom of Israel)
> aka LOHI, aka the Stern gang
> was an extremist Zionist organisation that engaged in terrorism.
> The "American Friends of the Fighters for the Freedom of Isreal"
> was their American support branch.
> In this letter Einstein makes it abundantly clear
> that he wants to have nothing to do with them.
> Neither did the moderate leaders in Israel.
> The organisation was disbanded after 1948.
> 
> The date, April 1o, is highly significant.
> It is the day after the Deir Yassin massacre.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre>
> (LOHI and Irgun massacred the inhabitants of Deir Yassin,
>  a village near Jerusalem)
> Einstein, and many other supporters of Israel protested strongly.
> 
> But, apart from Einstein's involvement, this is not the right place
> for discussions about Israel,
> 
> Jan
> 
> 

Israel has a contract out on Jesus Christ if He returns. Since
Jesus Christ was born in Palestine...Israel's mission is to kill
every baby born in Palestine. Already the Christian population
has dispeared in Palestine. Don't name your baby Jesus if you
live in Palestine. 





-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#617200

On 2023-08-09 16:25:28 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

> Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 8/9/2023 6:43 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> 
>>>> Later Swiss again and also Israel.
>> 
>>> And are you sure about that Isaelian citizenship?
>>> AFAIK he never had it.
>> 
>> Israel has the "right of return" where any Jew can show up and request
>> citizenship and it's essentially automatically granted.
>> 
>> AFAIK Einstein never requested this, but Israeli citizenship would have
>> been trivial for him to obtain.  But without evidence he did this,
>> Israeli citizenship would be false.
> 
> Right, he never did.
> If, yes and that is -if-, he had accepted to become president of Israel
> he would have become citizen of Israel automatically,
> but (as we both said) he didn't,  [1]
> 
> Jan
> 
> [1] Eistein did what he could to help to get a university in Jerusalem
> established, but there his direct involvement ended. (1923)
> Einstein cited his own shortcomings as the apparent reason
> for not wanting to become president of Israel,
> but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do
> with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting
> an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory.

They still are, long after Einstein's death.


-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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#617213

Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2023-08-09 16:25:28 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> 
> > Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 8/9/2023 6:43 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> 
> >>>> Later Swiss again and also Israel.
> >> 
> >>> And are you sure about that Isaelian citizenship?
> >>> AFAIK he never had it.
> >> 
> >> Israel has the "right of return" where any Jew can show up and request
> >> citizenship and it's essentially automatically granted.
> >> 
> >> AFAIK Einstein never requested this, but Israeli citizenship would have
> >> been trivial for him to obtain.  But without evidence he did this,
> >> Israeli citizenship would be false.
> > 
> > Right, he never did.
> > If, yes and that is -if-, he had accepted to become president of Israel
> > he would have become citizen of Israel automatically,
> > but (as we both said) he didn't,  [1]
> > 
> > Jan
> > 
> > [1] Eistein did what he could to help to get a university in Jerusalem
> > established, but there his direct involvement ended. (1923)
> > Einstein cited his own shortcomings as the apparent reason
> > for not wanting to become president of Israel,
> > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do
> > with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting
> > an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory.
> 
> They still are, long after Einstein's death.

Yes, it is of course impossible to know what Einstein
would have said about it if still alive,
but it seems quite likely that he would have been very unhappy
with the way things have been going,

Jan

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#617248

Am 09.08.2023 um 12:43 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 07.08.2023 um 17:24 schrieb Richard Hertz:
>>
>>> https://best-citizenships.com/2020/08/08/how-many-citizenships-albert-einste
> in-had/
>>>
>>> Albert Einstein Citizenships
>>>
>>>       Kingdom of Württemberg  German Empire (1879–1896) *****
>>
...
>>>       Kingdom of Prussia during the German Empire (1914–1918)   *****
>>
>> This was a time known as 'World War I', when the Germans had other
>> worries than theoretical physics and granting citizenship to
>> Würtembergo-Swiss-Hungaro-Austrian Bavarians.
>>
>>
>>>       Free State of Prussia (Germany, 1918–1933)  *****
>>
>> Prussia was actually not free in those days, as the German Empire had
>> just recently lost WWI and was now occupied and the Kingdom of Prussia
>> was wiped from the map.
>
> All German kingdoms ceased to exist in 1918,
> along with all German nobility.

Sure, but how could you become a citizen of a kingdom, that does not 
exist anymore?

> Titles remained, but they became an optional part of the family name.
>
>>>       United States (1940–1955)
>>
>>    Later Swiss again and also Israel.
>
> Einstein never ceased to be a Swiss citizen.

I personally think, that 'Einstein' was Swiss citizen from birth. This 
is so, because otherwise certain events in his life would not make sense 
(like attentidng school in Aarau, while his family lived in Pavia, Italy).

In effect I have also doubts about his identity and also, if he was 
actually a Jew.

That -btw- would be the perfect reason to reject presidency of Israel, 
because there they could demand some proof of Jewishness (like read a 
little from the Thora or to make 'gefillte fish').

Einstein had also relatively close connections to the Jesuits.

For instance behind the garden wall of the Einsteins in Pavia was a 
Jesuit facility.

Also his long term friend George LeMaitre was a Jesuit priest.

He also needed to speak good French, for instance to talk to Marie 
Curie, Langvin, Poincare or LeMaitre or to attend the Solveig conference.

But for this knowledge we have no obvious source, because foreign 
languages were not his thing (as can be seen in his poor performance in 
English after a decade at Princton).

So I have actually doubts about his identity (like: wether or not his 
name was actually 'Einstein').

I could be totally wrong, I admit, but actually have doubts.

...


TH

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#617253

Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

> Am 09.08.2023 um 12:43 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> > Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Am 07.08.2023 um 17:24 schrieb Richard Hertz:
> >>
> >>> https://best-citizenships.com/2020/08/08/how-many-citizenships-albert-eins
te
> > in-had/
> >>>
> >>> Albert Einstein Citizenships
> >>>
> >>>       Kingdom of Württemberg  German Empire (1879–1896) *****
> >>
> ...
> >>>       Kingdom of Prussia during the German Empire (1914–1918)   *****
> >>
> >> This was a time known as 'World War I', when the Germans had other
> >> worries than theoretical physics and granting citizenship to
> >> Würtembergo-Swiss-Hungaro-Austrian Bavarians.
> >>
> >>
> >>>       Free State of Prussia (Germany, 1918–1933)  *****
> >>
> >> Prussia was actually not free in those days, as the German Empire had
> >> just recently lost WWI and was now occupied and the Kingdom of Prussia
> >> was wiped from the map.
> >
> > All German kingdoms ceased to exist in 1918,
> > along with all German nobility.
> 
> Sure, but how could you become a citizen of a kingdom, that does not 
> exist anymore?
> 
> > Titles remained, but they became an optional part of the family name.
> >
> >>>       United States (1940–1955)
> >>
> >>    Later Swiss again and also Israel.
> >
> > Einstein never ceased to be a Swiss citizen.
> 
> I personally think, that 'Einstein' was Swiss citizen from birth. This
> is so, because otherwise certain events in his life would not make sense
> (like attentidng school in Aarau, while his family lived in Pavia, Italy).
> 
> In effect I have also doubts about his identity and also, if he was 
> actually a Jew.
> 
> That -btw- would be the perfect reason to reject presidency of Israel,
> because there they could demand some proof of Jewishness (like read a
> little from the Thora or to make 'gefillte fish').
> 
> Einstein had also relatively close connections to the Jesuits.
> 
> For instance behind the garden wall of the Einsteins in Pavia was a 
> Jesuit facility.
> 
> Also his long term friend George LeMaitre was a Jesuit priest.
> 
> He also needed to speak good French, for instance to talk to Marie 
> Curie, Langvin, Poincare or LeMaitre or to attend the Solveig conference.
> 
> But for this knowledge we have no obvious source, because foreign 
> languages were not his thing (as can be seen in his poor performance in
> English after a decade at Princton).
> 
> So I have actually doubts about his identity (like: wether or not his
> name was actually 'Einstein').
> 
> I could be totally wrong, I admit, but actually have doubts.

Yes you are,
and no, you are incapable of the amount sanity
that would be involved in really doubting
your completely crazy historical fantasies, 

Jan

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#617346

Am 10.08.2023 um 11:37 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 09.08.2023 um 12:43 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 07.08.2023 um 17:24 schrieb Richard Hertz:
>>>>
>>>>> https://best-citizenships.com/2020/08/08/how-many-citizenships-albert-eins
> te
>>> in-had/
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert Einstein Citizenships
>>>>>
>>>>>        Kingdom of Württemberg  German Empire (1879–1896) *****
>>>>
>> ...
>>>>>        Kingdom of Prussia during the German Empire (1914–1918)   *****


This is the silliest thing a person could possibly do:

obtain Prussian citizenship in the midst of WWI!!!

The reason: WWI was also one of the deadliest wars ever and the medium 
survival period for a soldier at the Western Front was two weeks.


But nobody in sane mind intentionally wanted to become a Prussian in 
those days, because citzenship also included conscription.

>>>> This was a time known as 'World War I', when the Germans had other
>>>> worries than theoretical physics and granting citizenship to
>>>> Würtembergo-Swiss-Hungaro-Austrian Bavarians.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>        Free State of Prussia (Germany, 1918–1933)  *****
>>>>
>>>> Prussia was actually not free in those days, as the German Empire had
>>>> just recently lost WWI and was now occupied and the Kingdom of Prussia
>>>> was wiped from the map.
>>>
>>> All German kingdoms ceased to exist in 1918,
>>> along with all German nobility.

Total nonsense.

The nobility lost their titles but still existed (at least partially).

The kingdoms were actually not all kingdoms, but Germany was fused 
together in 1871 from about fifty tiny and some larger states, which had 
several different forms of government.

Some were city states, some were dutchies, some belonged to the church.

Prussia was the largest of these states and was ruled by the 
Hohenzollerns as a monarchy.

>> Sure, but how could you become a citizen of a kingdom, that does not
>> exist anymore?
>>
>>> Titles remained, but they became an optional part of the family name.
>>>
>>>>>        United States (1940–1955)
>>>>
>>>>     Later Swiss again and also Israel.
>>>
>>> Einstein never ceased to be a Swiss citizen.
>>
>> I personally think, that 'Einstein' was Swiss citizen from birth. This
>> is so, because otherwise certain events in his life would not make sense
>> (like attentidng school in Aarau, while his family lived in Pavia, Italy).
>>
>> In effect I have also doubts about his identity and also, if he was
>> actually a Jew.
>>
>> That -btw- would be the perfect reason to reject presidency of Israel,
>> because there they could demand some proof of Jewishness (like read a
>> little from the Thora or to make 'gefillte fish').
>>
>> Einstein had also relatively close connections to the Jesuits.
>>
>> For instance behind the garden wall of the Einsteins in Pavia was a
>> Jesuit facility.
>>
>> Also his long term friend George LeMaitre was a Jesuit priest.
>>
>> He also needed to speak good French, for instance to talk to Marie
>> Curie, Langvin, Poincare or LeMaitre or to attend the Solveig conference.
>>
>> But for this knowledge we have no obvious source, because foreign
>> languages were not his thing (as can be seen in his poor performance in
>> English after a decade at Princton).
>>
>> So I have actually doubts about his identity (like: wether or not his
>> name was actually 'Einstein').
>>
>> I could be totally wrong, I admit, but actually have doubts.
>
> Yes you are,
> and no, you are incapable of the amount sanity
> that would be involved in really doubting
> your completely crazy historical fantasies,

I have spent a lot of time on analysing

'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'.

And I have found about four-hundred errors in it.

These errors are all 'conventional' and not related to the actual 
metaphysical content of this paper.

So I missed internal references and quotes, criticised the naming 
conventions and certain mathematical derivations.

This summed to a fantastically large numer of issues, which I had annoted.

Now I would not assume for a second, that Planck had not seen these 
errors himself.

So another plausible assumption is, that he didn't wanted to see the errors.

But this would be equivalent to a scam, where several parties participated.


Now: why shouldn't be the person 'Einstein' himself be part of such a 
plot, if the paper itself is -well- 'questionable'?

I mean: false identities of public figueres are all over the place (or 
do you really think, the name of Madonna is really 'Madonna'?)


Here I had doubts about Einstein reasons to leave his family behind in 
Pavia, Italy and attend school in Swizerland.

This is not how teenagers behave!

So, possibly this was part of a plot, too, and Einstein was actually a 
Swiss citizen and only pretended to be German (for whatever reason).

(This btw would also make it a lot easier to loose German citizenship 
and dodge conscription into WWI.)

E.g. it would be very natural for a Swiss student to attend school in 
e.g. Aarau und to study in Zurich and subsequently work in Bern.

So my assumption is actually very simply and fit very well to Einstein's 
actual CV, while it does in fact require something commonly called 
'conspiracy'.

So what?



TH

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#617942

On 8/11/2023 2:20 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 10.08.2023 um 11:37 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

>>> So I have actually doubts about his identity (like: wether or not his
>>> name was actually 'Einstein').
>>>
>>> I could be totally wrong, I admit, but actually have doubts.
>>
>> Yes you are,
>> and no, you are incapable of the amount sanity
>> that would be involved in really doubting
>> your completely crazy historical fantasies,
> 
> I have spent a lot of time on analysing
> 
> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'.
> 
> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it.

No, you haven't.
> 
> These errors are all 'conventional' and not related to the actual 
> metaphysical content of this paper.
> 
> So I missed internal references and quotes, criticised the naming 
> conventions and certain mathematical derivations.
> 
> This summed to a fantastically large numer of issues, which I had annoted.
> 
> Now I would not assume for a second, that Planck had not seen these 
> errors himself.

Planck wouldn't see things which didn't exist.
> 
> So another plausible assumption is, that he didn't wanted to see the 
> errors.
> 
> But this would be equivalent to a scam, where several parties participated.

Of course the real reason is that there are no such errors which you 
claimed to have found.
> 
> 
> Now: why shouldn't be the person 'Einstein' himself be part of such a 
> plot, if the paper itself is -well- 'questionable'?
> 
> I mean: false identities of public figueres are all over the place (or 
> do you really think, the name of Madonna is really 'Madonna'?)

That's a performer, not a scientist. It was and is very common for 
performers to have a stage name, particularly when the birth name is 
awkward. And her (first) name at birth really is Madonna. Madonna Louise 
Ciccone.

> Here I had doubts about Einstein reasons to leave his family behind in 
> Pavia, Italy and attend school in Swizerland.
> 
> This is not how teenagers behave!

Not necessarily.

I am very interested in genealogy/my family history.

I found one set of my g-g-grandparents in an 1855 census, with a newborn 
daughter Margaret.

In an 1865 census, I found them again, Margaret was 10, and she had 
siblings now.

In an 1870 census, I found my g-g-grandparents, the siblings with some 
new ones (incl. my g-grandmother), but not Margaret. I assumed Margaret 
had died.

However, I found Margaret living in California, 3000 miles away, in 
1870. She was living with a family who were neighbors in the 1865 
census. So the neighbors went west, and for some strange reason, 
Margaret went with them. She would be between 10 and 15 when she did so.

Family lore also said my g-grandmother had a sister in California who 
actually was rather wealthy. Between this, the name and age of Margaret, 
the names and ages of the neighbors and their children and being a DNA 
match with one of Margaret's descendants, I am quite sure my g-g-great 
aunt Margaret went to California with her neighbors when she was 15 
years old or less. Why?

Perhaps the neighbors were actually also relatives, which makes it less 
odd but still odd. But tldr; what Einstein did wasn't unheard of.
> 
> So, possibly this was part of a plot, too, and Einstein was actually a 
> Swiss citizen and only pretended to be German (for whatever reason).
> 
Or there was no plot and Einstein really was a German who did attend 
school in Switzerland when his family was in Italy.

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#617976

Am 17.08.2023 um 00:19 schrieb Volney:
> On 8/11/2023 2:20 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 10.08.2023 um 11:37 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>
>>>> So I have actually doubts about his identity (like: wether or not his
>>>> name was actually 'Einstein').
>>>>
>>>> I could be totally wrong, I admit, but actually have doubts.
>>>
>>> Yes you are,
>>> and no, you are incapable of the amount sanity
>>> that would be involved in really doubting
>>> your completely crazy historical fantasies,
>>
>> I have spent a lot of time on analysing
>>
>> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'.
>>
>> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it.
>
> No, you haven't.
>>
>> These errors are all 'conventional' and not related to the actual
>> metaphysical content of this paper.
>>
>> So I missed internal references and quotes, criticised the naming
>> conventions and certain mathematical derivations.
>>
>> This summed to a fantastically large numer of issues, which I had
>> annoted.
>>
>> Now I would not assume for a second, that Planck had not seen these
>> errors himself.
>
> Planck wouldn't see things which didn't exist.
>>
>> So another plausible assumption is, that he didn't wanted to see the
>> errors.
>>
>> But this would be equivalent to a scam, where several parties
>> participated.
>
> Of course the real reason is that there are no such errors which you
> claimed to have found.

The text of Einstein is FULL of errors of all kinds.

Some are formal, like a misiing title of the introduction, missing 
illustrations or missing internal references.

Some other formal errors are about the used variable names.

E.g. the system k (the moving system) was introduced with large Greek 
letters as names of the axes, but also large Latin letters were used to 
name the same axes in other parts of the same text.

The values of the coordinates got small letters, Latin in the case of K 
and Greek in case of k.

But also this naming convention were not used all the time and e.g. x' 
was at one time meant as a coordinate value in k.

This was worsened by the fact, that a third coordinate system K' was 
introduced, which got also small Latin letters (x', y', z'), but with a 
' (prime) sign.

This caused an ambiguity of symbols (x' and x'), what made the text hard 
to interpret, because also other symbols were used with several 
meanings. Especially the symbol x' was difficult to interpret, because 
actually Einstein didn't define the symbols at all and left it to the 
reader to identify the intended meaning.

For e.g. the tall 'A' I found eight different uses.

Also questionable was the use of generic variables like e.g. t for 
special purposes (instead of using e.g. a subscript).


Another serious issue were missing external references like quotes or a 
list of used material.

This was especially critical in case of Poincare and Heinrich Hertz.

Hertz was mentioned, but Einstein left open, to which of the works of 
Hertz he referred.

I found possible sources in one of the books of Hertz (which btw 
included the title) but found differences in the equations Hertz worte 
and what Einstein wrote were 'Maxwell Hertz equations'.


Einstein had also the VERY odd habbit to add scalars to vectors or to 
switch between different types of objects without notice, while 
maintainig the same name (e.g. from vectors to scalars or from values to 
functions).

Also the inclusion of the reader was inappropriate in most cases, as I 
personally wouldn't call his equations 'our equations'.

In the methaphysical realm was most promenently the total lack of a 
consideration of signal delay for light signals and how to deal with that.

Also missing was a comparison of the own results to the classical 
Doppler effect, because it is actually possible, that Einstein 
(unknowingly) wrote about the Doppler effect (or a certain variant of 
that), but ascribed the effect to the source instead of to the influence 
of relative movement upon observation.

Also odd was Einstein's discription of induction.

Actually the word 'induction' was entirely missing, but wires and moving 
magnets would suggest, that he something like induction in mind.

Also missing were quotes from Maxwell, e.g. about the asymmetries in his 
works, which he tried to fix.

and this goes on and on and on..

I had written about 420 annottions for a text of only 23 pages, what 
made the text look predominently yellow (yellow was the color I had 
chosen for my virtual marker for errors).


TH





...


TH

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#618648

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> I have spent a lot of time on analysing 
> 
> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'. 
> 
> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. 

You've found zero errors.

What you call "errors" are just your misunderstandings.
The solution to your problem is either to learn physics or
to give up on this entirely and do something else.

--
Jan

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#618652

On Wednesday, 23 August 2023 at 09:53:37 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote: 
> > 
> > I have spent a lot of time on analysing 
> > 
> > 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'. 
> > 
> > And I have found about four-hundred errors in it.
> You've found zero errors. 
> 
> What you call "errors" are just your misunderstandings. 
> The solution to your problem is either to learn physics or 
> to give up on this entirely and do something else. 

The Shit is flawless!! Because its worshippers are 
the best!! And know the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#618661

{{{𝗝𝗮𝗻𝗣𝗕}}} wrote:

> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> I have spent a lot of time on analysing 'On the electrodynamics of
>> moving bodies'. And I have found about four-hundred errors in it.
> 
> You've found zero errors.  What you call "errors" are just your
> misunderstandings. The solution to your problem is either to learn
> physics or to give up on this entirely and do something else.

US is used 𝘁𝗼_𝗳𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴_𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻, farmers, from 𝘁𝗵𝗲_𝘃𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗲_𝗼𝗳_𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗸𝘀 with complete 
𝗮𝗶𝗿_𝘀𝘂𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘁𝘆, bombing cities to complete oblivion. They've never fought a 
war at an disadvantage 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗹𝗼𝘀𝘁 𝗶𝗻 𝗔𝗳𝗴𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗩𝗶𝗲𝘁𝗻𝗮𝗺.

now, the khazar goy driven capitalist america, wants to kill the world 
with 𝘃𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 and 𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗰𝗹𝗼𝘀𝗲𝗱_𝗯𝗶𝗼_𝘄𝗲𝗮𝗽𝗼𝗻𝘀. They can't fight like a man. Their 
𝗺𝗼𝗼𝗻_𝗹𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀 and 𝗠𝗮𝗿𝘀_𝗠𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀 are / were done 𝗶𝗻_𝗔𝗹𝗮𝘀𝗸𝗮.

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#618683

Le 23/08/2023 à 09:53, JanPB a écrit :
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> 
>> I have spent a lot of time on analysing 
>> 
>> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'. 
>> 
>> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. 
> 
> You've found zero errors.
> 
> What you call "errors" are just your misunderstandings.
> The solution to your problem is either to learn physics or
> to give up on this entirely and do something else.
> 
> --
> Jan

There are many errors in the theory of relativity and they are errors of 
concept.

For example, I read someone who said: "The x and t coordinates in Lorentz 
transformations".

But these are not coordinates.

x, y, z, ARE coordinates.

t is not a coordinate.

t, and more precisely To in Hachel writing, is the norm of a simple 
hypotenuse and not a coordinate in an orthonormal frame.

The components of the Lorentz transformations (x,y;z,To) are not 
orthonormal frame coordinates.

This is also why I always differentiate To from t.

I write the value in capital letters.

For those who want to understand my geometry (it can happen: in France 
there are a lot of morons, but France only represents 1%
of the world's population) and why I say this, I ask them to picture in 
their minds (if possible after a cup or two of coffee) the following 
image.

Look carefully, x, and y (y always invariant) are coordinates and they 
change by change of reference frame.

<http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?gD1_zs4NoP-6_Bt_-GwHQf3G28o@jntp/Data.Media:1>

To (here -15) and To'(here -41) are hypotenuse values and not proper 
orthonormal coordinates.

Thank you for listening.

R.H. 

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#618730

Le 23/08/2023 à 18:33, Richard Hachel a écrit :
> Le 23/08/2023 à 09:53, JanPB a écrit :
>> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>
>>> I have spent a lot of time on analysing
>>> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'.
>>> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. 
>>
>> You've found zero errors.
>>
>> What you call "errors" are just your misunderstandings.
>> The solution to your problem is either to learn physics or
>> to give up on this entirely and do something else.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jan
> 
> There are many errors in the theory of relativity and they are errors of 
> concept.
> 
> For example, I read someone who said: "The x and t coordinates in 
> Lorentz transformations".
> 
> But these are not coordinates.
> 
> x, y, z, ARE coordinates.
> 
> t is not a coordinate.
> 
> t, and more precisely To in Hachel writing, is the norm of a simple 
> hypotenuse and not a coordinate in an orthonormal frame.
> 
> The components of the Lorentz transformations (x,y;z,To) are not 
> orthonormal frame coordinates.
> 
> This is also why I always differentiate To from t.
> 
> I write the value in capital letters.
> 
> For those who want to understand my geometry (it can happen: in France 
> there are a lot of morons, but France only represents 1%
> of the world's population) and why I say this, I ask them to picture in 
> their minds (if possible after a cup or two of coffee) the following image.
> 
> Look carefully, x, and y (y always invariant) are coordinates and they 
> change by change of reference frame.
> 
> <http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?gD1_zs4NoP-6_Bt_-GwHQf3G28o@jntp/Data.Media:1>
> 
> To (here -15) and To'(here -41) are hypotenuse values and not proper 
> orthonormal coordinates.
> 
> Thank you for listening.
> 
> R.H.

Yeah! Sure! (Itiot!)

This is room 12 anyway, not 12A.

tic tac tac tac tic...

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#618732

Le 24/08/2023 à 02:06, Python a écrit :
> Le 23/08/2023 à 18:33, Richard Hachel a écrit :

> Yeah! Sure! (Itiot!)

 Itiot, toi-même. 

 T'es qu'un bouffon.

 R.H. 

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#618768

On 8/23/2023 12:33 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 23/08/2023 à 09:53, JanPB a écrit :
>> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>
>>> I have spent a lot of time on analysing
>>> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'.
>>> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. 
>>
>> You've found zero errors.
>>
>> What you call "errors" are just your misunderstandings.
>> The solution to your problem is either to learn physics or
>> to give up on this entirely and do something else.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jan
> 
> There are many errors in the theory of relativity and they are errors of 
> concept.

No, there are no errors other than one or two instances of awkward text.
> 
> For example, I read someone who said: "The x and t coordinates in 
> Lorentz transformations".
> 
> But these are not coordinates.
> 
> x, y, z, ARE coordinates.
> 
> t is not a coordinate.

You miss the entire point of what made SR so important. Time is a 
coordinate, but different from x y z. They can transform between them 
and t, just like transforming between x and y by simple rotations. That 
was the breakthrough of SR.

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#618769

Why would accepted science not be used in a new way
by a new person?

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#618794

On Thursday, 24 August 2023 at 19:25:45 UTC+2, Volney wrote:
> On 8/23/2023 12:33 PM, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> > Le 23/08/2023 à 09:53, JanPB a écrit : 
> >> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I have spent a lot of time on analysing 
> >>> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'. 
> >>> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. 
> >> 
> >> You've found zero errors. 
> >> 
> >> What you call "errors" are just your misunderstandings. 
> >> The solution to your problem is either to learn physics or 
> >> to give up on this entirely and do something else. 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Jan 
> > 
> > There are many errors in the theory of relativity and they are errors of 
> > concept.
> No, there are no errors other than one or two instances of awkward text.
> > 
> > For example, I read someone who said: "The x and t coordinates in 
> > Lorentz transformations". 
> > 
> > But these are not coordinates. 
> > 
> > x, y, z, ARE coordinates. 
> > 
> > t is not a coordinate.
> You miss the entire point of what made SR so important. Time is a 
> coordinate, but different from x y z. They can transform between them 
> and t, just like transforming between x and y by simple rotations. That 
> was the breakthrough of SR.

Sure, stupid Mike, and your ISO idiocy is an obvious
Newton mode.

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#618808

Le 24/08/2023 à 19:25, Volney a écrit :
> On 8/23/2023 12:33 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> Le 23/08/2023 à 09:53, JanPB a écrit :
>>> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have spent a lot of time on analysing
>>>> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'.
>>>> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. 
>>>
>>> You've found zero errors.
>>>
>>> What you call "errors" are just your misunderstandings.
>>> The solution to your problem is either to learn physics or
>>> to give up on this entirely and do something else.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jan
>> 
>> There are many errors in the theory of relativity and they are errors of 
>> concept.
> 
> No, there are no errors other than one or two instances of awkward text.
>> 
>> For example, I read someone who said: "The x and t coordinates in 
>> Lorentz transformations".
>> 
>> But these are not coordinates.
>> 
>> x, y, z, ARE coordinates.
>> 
>> t is not a coordinate.
> 
> You miss the entire point of what made SR so important. Time is a 
> coordinate, but different from x y z. They can transform between them 
> and t, just like transforming between x and y by simple rotations. That 
> was the breakthrough of SR.

No, spatial coordinates cannot be transformed into temporal coordinates, 
nor temporal coordinates into time.

This is a misunderstanding of the theory.

Time is time.

Metric units are metric units.

We do not change with each other by making rotations, as we can do between 
x, y, z.

Also, the time used in Lorentz transformations is not an orthonormal 
coordinate system like x, y, and z.

It's just the segment sqrt(x²+y²+z²) divided by c.

R.H. 

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#618810

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:45:06 PM UTC-7, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 24/08/2023 à 19:25, Volney a écrit : 
> > On 8/23/2023 12:33 PM, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> >> Le 23/08/2023 à 09:53, JanPB a écrit : 
> >>> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 11:19:50 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I have spent a lot of time on analysing 
> >>>> 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'. 
> >>>> And I have found about four-hundred errors in it. 
> >>> 
> >>> You've found zero errors. 
> >>> 
> >>> What you call "errors" are just your misunderstandings. 
> >>> The solution to your problem is either to learn physics or 
> >>> to give up on this entirely and do something else. 
> >>> 
> >>> -- 
> >>> Jan 
> >> 
> >> There are many errors in the theory of relativity and they are errors of 
> >> concept. 
> > 
> > No, there are no errors other than one or two instances of awkward text. 
> >> 
> >> For example, I read someone who said: "The x and t coordinates in 
> >> Lorentz transformations". 
> >> 
> >> But these are not coordinates. 
> >> 
> >> x, y, z, ARE coordinates. 
> >> 
> >> t is not a coordinate. 
> > 
> > You miss the entire point of what made SR so important. Time is a 
> > coordinate, but different from x y z. They can transform between them 
> > and t, just like transforming between x and y by simple rotations. That 
> > was the breakthrough of SR.
> No, spatial coordinates cannot be transformed into temporal coordinates, 

Yes, they can. Look at the Newtonian mechanics: x' = x - vt. 
See? Time coordinate transformed into spatial. You can invert this:
t = (x - x')/v, spatial transformed into temporal.

> nor temporal coordinates into time. 

See above. You are making stuff up as you go along.
You are doing voodoo, not science.

> This is a misunderstanding of the theory. 
> 
> Time is time. 
> 
> Metric units are metric units. 
> 
> We do not change with each other by making rotations, as we can do between 
> x, y, z. 

Not even wrong. Why do attempt to do something you don't
understands the first concepts of? What's the point? What kind of
satisfaction do you get from doodling with something with such
incompetence?

> Also, the time used in Lorentz transformations is not an orthonormal 
> coordinate system like x, y, and z. 
> 
> It's just the segment sqrt(x²+y²+z²) divided by c. 

Not even wrong. Just nonsense. Pathetic nonsense, a total waste.

--
Jan

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Le 25/08/2023 à 00:10, JanPB a écrit :
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 2:45:06 PM UTC-7, Richard Hachel wrote:

> Yes, they can. Look at the Newtonian mechanics: x' = x - vt. 
> See? Time coordinate transformed into spatial. You can invert this:
> t = (x - x')/v, spatial transformed into temporal.
> 
>> nor temporal coordinates into time. 
> 
> See above. You are making stuff up as you go along.
> You are doing voodoo, not science.

 That's not what I'm saying.
I say that the time is, on the diagram, the length sqrt(x²+y²+z²)/c
and that it is not, strictly speaking, a coordinate.
I also say that time is not length, nor the length of time. We therefore 
transform x into x', and t into t', but not x into t' or t into x'.
To say that, depending on how you look at them, time becomes space, and 
space becomes time, is for me to advocate an abstract theory.

> Jan

R.H. 

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