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| Started by | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2023-08-02 00:49 -0700 |
| Last post | 2023-08-04 12:26 -0400 |
| Articles | 7 on this page of 107 — 15 participants |
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Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 00:49 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 13:56 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-08-02 15:03 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 15:08 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 15:17 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 16:16 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 19:12 -0500
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 23:29 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-08-03 06:05 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 06:46 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-08-03 08:17 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 10:39 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-08-03 11:21 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 11:28 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-03 12:37 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-08-03 12:45 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 13:15 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-03 13:20 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 13:44 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-08-03 13:46 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 20:20 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-03 17:57 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 20:21 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-03 20:51 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 13:27 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-03 21:18 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 23:17 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 23:48 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-04 11:05 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-04 11:47 -0500
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 10:06 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-04 10:59 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 15:53 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 12:56 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-04 13:07 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 22:54 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-04 22:46 -0500
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-05 10:28 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Vidal Barabashev <dlva@vvhivdbs.ab> - 2023-08-05 17:50 +0000
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-04 10:53 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-08-04 11:54 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-04 13:01 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 22:59 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 13:43 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-04 11:12 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 15:41 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 12:52 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-04 13:03 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 23:28 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 21:42 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-05 15:02 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-05 12:58 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-05 19:20 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-05 16:54 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-05 18:14 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-05 23:24 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-05 21:42 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-06 21:22 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 22:35 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Dillan Novoselitsky <doik@olokkeol.la> - 2023-08-07 09:04 +0000
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-06 11:14 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-06 16:55 -0500
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:05 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-06 17:51 -0500
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-06 16:23 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-06 19:17 -0500
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-06 17:20 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-06 19:52 -0500
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-06 22:02 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-06 11:45 +0200
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 10:35 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-05 21:41 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-06 11:45 +0200
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-05 10:51 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Murel Bah <ulhm@eaamemaa.ml> - 2023-08-05 18:10 +0000
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Liod Shakhtmeister <adlh@emlhsdha.os> - 2023-08-07 08:10 +0000
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-05 14:50 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-04 22:32 +0200
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 13:53 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-06 14:40 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:24 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:28 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-08-06 15:30 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 11:53 -0400
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 10:54 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 16:21 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-06 16:44 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-06 16:48 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-08-03 12:37 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 13:11 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-03 10:40 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-03 10:48 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-08-03 11:24 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-03 12:37 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 18:20 -0500
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 17:54 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 billv <billv@nowhere.void.net> - 2023-08-02 22:23 -0500
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-03 10:34 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 23:31 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-02 23:27 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-02 14:26 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-03 07:54 +0200
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 04:18 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 05:08 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 07:11 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-04 08:32 -0700
Re: Time as "what clocks indicate" - part 2 Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-04 12:26 -0400
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| From | Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-02 14:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <34c3d46c-b9bb-415c-a535-08a5fb854d85n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #616592 |
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 12:49:07 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote: > > > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is. > > And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries > of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you] > knows what it is. > UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is. > That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of > your tale. The culture is responsible for it. Thus: Time= Change/Rate.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2023-08-03 07:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kj0tmcF9b4mU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #616592 |
Am 02.08.2023 um 09:49 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: > > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote: > >> It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is. > > And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries > of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you] > knows what it is. > UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is. > That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of > your tale. The culture is responsible for it. > Time is not what clocks say. The idea of time is actually based on counting repeated events, which we assume to happen in a constant rate. The basic counting happens in days, because that rythm is very obvious. Now we devide these days in 24 hours, those in 60 minutes and those in 60 seconds and have time units. Unfortunately the day has not a constant length, but that length changes very slowly. Therefore other means were requirred. Clocks in Einsteins time counted the rotations of a tiny rotor, which was driven by a wound up spring. That mechanism was called 'clock' and was ectually less precise than the Earth' rotations. Much later quartz cristalls were use to advanced time-measurments and even later certain frequencies in some gases. But still the same principle applies, that something happens repeatedly and we count that, do some math and derive the current time from the result. Only this is not time per se, but a certain type of measurement of what we think time actually is. Problem: most likely our guesses are wrong. TH
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| From | Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-04 04:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4331293a-5c4f-40ca-9fb0-21f28f227103n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #616592 |
On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:49:07 AM UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote: > > > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is. The only time exists is absolute time.. A clock second in any frame represents a specific amount of absolute time. > > And that's the point of your magnificient discoveries > of its violating common sense properties: nobody [of you] > knows what it is. > UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is. > That's "what clocks indicate". Time is from outside of > your tale. The culture is responsible for it.
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-04 05:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d18966e7-d903-4d4f-b90f-f2c8812af305n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #616763 |
On Friday, 4 August 2023 at 13:18:59 UTC+2, Ken Seto wrote: > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:49:07 AM UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote: > > > > > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is. > The only time exists is absolute time. So, have you heard of UTC time, TAI time, zone times? Can you distinguish between them?
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| From | Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-04 07:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <69ec8186-1578-4db2-bc8e-be2c8d8df881n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #616766 |
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:08:27 AM UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > On Friday, 4 August 2023 at 13:18:59 UTC+2, Ken Seto wrote: > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:49:07 AM UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote: > > > > > > > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is. > > The only time exists is absolute time. > So, have you heard of UTC time, TAI time, zone times? > Can you distinguish between them? UTC time and TAI time are time at specific location. each of their clock seconds are represented a specific interval of absolute time and they are selected as artificially as standard.
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-04 08:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <99c1ce79-6039-41f9-a2a6-d96b4f68c320n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #616775 |
On Friday, 4 August 2023 at 16:11:05 UTC+2, Ken Seto wrote: > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:08:27 AM UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > On Friday, 4 August 2023 at 13:18:59 UTC+2, Ken Seto wrote: > > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:49:07 AM UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > > > > On Monday, 31 July 2023 at 17:04:36 UTC+2, Paparios wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is clear that you do not know what "time" is. Actually nobody knows what time is. > > > The only time exists is absolute time. > > So, have you heard of UTC time, TAI time, zone times? > Can you distinguish between them? > UTC time and TAI time are time at specific location. each of their clock seconds are represented a specific interval of absolute time No, their flows differ very little, asecend per some years, but do.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-08-04 12:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <uaj8r0$1b5uo$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #616779 |
On 8/4/2023 11:32 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: > On Friday, 4 August 2023 at 16:11:05 UTC+2, Ken Seto wrote: >> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:08:27 AM UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>> On Friday, 4 August 2023 at 13:18:59 UTC+2, Ken Seto wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:49:07 AM UTC-4, Maciej Wozniak wrote: >>>>> UT[ime]C, T[ime]AI, zone times - that's what [a] time is. >>>> The only time exists is absolute time. >>> So, have you heard of UTC time, TAI time, zone times? > Can you distinguish between them? >> UTC time and TAI time are time at specific location. each of their clock seconds are represented a specific interval of absolute time > > No, their flows differ very little, asecend per some years, > but do. Kꙩꙩkfight!!!!
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