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The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed.

Started byRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
First post2023-06-17 21:32 -0700
Last post2023-09-07 16:51 -0700
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  The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 21:32 -0700
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 10:44 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-18 10:56 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-18 11:03 -0700
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 13:10 -0700
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-18 15:11 -0700
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-06-19 09:31 -0500
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 07:45 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-19 07:51 -0700
                Cranks Richard Hertz, Laurence Clark and Pat Dolan keep on slobbering "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 07:56 -0700
                  Re: Cranks Richard Hertz, Laurence Clark and Pat Dolan keep on slobbering Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-19 08:01 -0700
                    Re: Cranks Richard Hertz, Laurence Clark and Pat Dolan keep on slobbering "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 11:55 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 10:24 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-19 10:53 -0700
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-19 07:52 -0700
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 14:48 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-20 15:24 -0700
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 15:51 -0700
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-20 16:29 -0700
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-20 20:05 -0500
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 18:59 -0700
                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-20 20:19 -0700
                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 21:08 -0700
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-20 21:11 -0700
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-21 06:23 -0500
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-21 17:41 +0200
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-21 10:59 -0700
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-21 13:39 -0500
                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-22 11:04 +0200
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-22 11:04 +0200
                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-22 02:07 -0700
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-21 12:09 -0400
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-21 10:53 -0700
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-22 11:04 +0200
                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-22 11:06 -0700
                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-23 11:49 +0200
                                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 08:37 -0700
                                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-23 11:59 -0500
                                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:38 -0700
                                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-23 13:28 -0500
                                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Chaston Kuipers <rsoc@scusseee.ps> - 2023-06-23 21:42 +0000
                                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-24 10:46 +0200
                                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-24 10:46 +0200
                                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-24 08:05 -0700
                                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-24 08:20 -0700
                                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-24 09:37 -0700
                                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-24 10:30 -0700
                                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-24 10:54 -0700
                                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-24 11:04 -0700
                                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-24 11:07 -0700
                                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-24 11:21 -0700
                                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-24 11:28 -0700
                                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-24 13:44 -0700
                                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-25 13:48 -0700
                                                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-26 11:48 +0200
                                                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 07:22 -0700
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                                                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-26 12:45 -0700
                                                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-26 22:53 +0200
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                                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 08:44 -0700
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-21 11:17 -0700
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-21 11:22 -0700
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                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-21 11:26 -0700
                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-21 11:39 -0700
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-06-20 18:33 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-20 15:31 -0700
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-21 19:59 -0700
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 07:07 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 16:47 +0200
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 08:51 -0700
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-23 13:13 -0400
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Epifanio Schoonenburg <urou@sucinora.br> - 2023-06-23 17:28 +0000
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:35 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Reginal Langbroek <gorl@gblarllb.ra> - 2023-06-23 17:40 +0000
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            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 12:01 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 12:58 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 13:02 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-23 21:28 -0400
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 15:49 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 16:35 -0700
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 17:55 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 16:43 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 16:46 -0700
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 09:51 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-27 10:55 -0700
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:50 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-27 13:58 -0400
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 12:32 -0700
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-27 21:55 +0200
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 13:41 -0700
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-27 23:30 -0400
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-27 21:14 -0700
                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-28 13:23 +0200
                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 07:07 -0700
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 10:20 -0700
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-28 23:31 +0200
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 15:03 -0700
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-29 12:48 +0200
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                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-09-08 12:47 +0200
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                                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-09-09 11:28 +0200
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                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 21:57 -0700
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                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 15:36 -0700
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-29 12:48 +0200
                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-29 12:08 -0400
                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 13:31 -0500
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                                                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-02 13:04 -0700
                                                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-02 13:53 -0700
                                                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-02 01:15 -0500
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                                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Smith Can <aanh@nnnttcth.ia> - 2023-07-01 22:10 +0000
                                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-07-01 13:26 +0200
                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Hillary Oorschot <lara@aocolror.ya> - 2023-06-29 21:29 +0000
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 17:04 -0500
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Emanuele Heel <manl@eeeeleee.ll> - 2023-06-29 22:31 +0000
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2023-06-29 20:30 -0400
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 19:53 -0500
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 19:46 -0500
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's David Agteren <ainv@gvdideig.aa> - 2023-06-30 09:18 +0000
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 09:17 -0400
                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Woodrow Richard <rwao@rwwrrooo.rw> - 2023-07-01 11:43 +0000
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Demonte Achthoven <oado@ennmoaea.ch> - 2023-06-28 16:42 +0000
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Braxton Amstel <txmt@asememtm.ra> - 2023-06-28 16:50 +0000
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Bob Rumpade <peab@orbmarer.ou> - 2023-06-28 23:04 +0000
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-28 13:23 +0200
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2023-06-28 15:09 +0200
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 17:47 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 18:46 -0700
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 20:29 -0700
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 21:24 -0700
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-29 12:48 +0200
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 05:37 -0700
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-28 21:21 -0700
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-06-29 05:53 -0700
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 07:02 -0700
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-29 12:14 -0400
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 12:17 -0700
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 14:03 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 15:09 -0700
                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 15:42 -0700
                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 15:51 -0700
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 17:33 -0700
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 13:27 -0700
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 14:16 -0700
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-30 19:44 -0500
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 21:08 -0400
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 21:49 -0700
                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 00:25 -0400
                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's Peter-John Maes <a-he@t-jtrjsm.ee> - 2023-06-30 11:13 +0000
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 00:23 -0400
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-30 11:45 +0200
                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 04:13 -0700
                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-07-01 13:26 +0200
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-03 14:37 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-03 19:30 -0700
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-03 19:56 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-07 11:34 -0700
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-07 11:13 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Keaton Konstantatos <ktnn@tksatooa.ta> - 2023-07-07 19:16 +0000
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-07-08 11:40 +0200
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 02:59 -0700
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-08 10:23 -0400
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 10:24 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-09 13:20 -0400
                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 13:19 -0700
                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-10 13:28 -0400
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 13:39 -0700
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-10 18:45 -0500
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 17:43 -0700
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-10 20:52 -0500
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 19:17 -0700
                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 19:26 -0700
                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 19:36 -0700
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-11 11:58 +0200
                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-11 03:30 -0700
                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-11 06:40 -0700
                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-12 15:02 -0700
                                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-12 18:14 -0500
                                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-12 16:29 -0700
                                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-12 21:30 -0500
                                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-07-12 19:08 -0500
                                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-12 19:29 -0700
                                      Kapo Imbecile Richard Hertz gets to eat shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-07-13 18:48 -0700
                                        Re: Kapo Imbecile Richard Hertz gets to eat shit Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-13 20:48 -0700
                                          Re: Kapo Imbecile Richard Hertz gets to eat shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 08:29 -0700
                                            Re: Kapo Imbecile Richard Hertz gets to eat shit Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 08:38 -0700
                                              Re: Kapo Imbecile Richard Hertz gets to eat shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 08:52 -0700
                                                Re: Kapo Imbecile Richard Hertz gets to eat shit Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-14 09:47 -0700
                                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-12 21:36 -0500
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-10 23:14 -0400
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 20:43 -0700
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Barton Demakis <erom@akadikmr.no> - 2023-07-11 09:24 +0000
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Pasquale Nomikos <osai@qoauqsqm.ka> - 2023-07-08 20:47 +0000
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-07-09 12:35 +0200
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 09:29 -0700
        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-08 10:11 -0700
          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 10:38 -0700
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 10:40 -0700
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-08 10:44 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 12:22 -0700
                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-08 13:00 -0700
                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 13:32 -0700
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-08 13:34 -0700
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 13:40 -0700
            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-08 11:27 -0700
              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 12:03 -0700
                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 12:20 -0700
                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-08 12:56 -0700
                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 13:39 -0700
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-08 13:47 -0700
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 14:20 -0700
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 22:24 -0700
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-09 11:01 -0700
                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-09 14:10 -0400
                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-09 11:16 -0700
                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 12:08 -0700
                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-09 14:25 -0500
                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-09 18:43 -0400
                                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 16:07 -0700
                                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 16:18 -0700
                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Lee Kanavos <alke@avvvvekn.ll> - 2023-07-09 19:21 +0000
                            Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 13:21 -0700
                              Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-09 19:54 -0400
                                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 21:25 -0700
                                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 21:58 -0700
                                  Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-10 13:31 -0400
                                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 10:37 -0700
                                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Jeiker Paraskos <okas@ppkiesre.rr> - 2023-07-10 22:20 +0000
                                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-10 16:30 -0700
                                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-10 23:27 -0400
                                          Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Eugene Antimisiaris <anse@neanenae.ir> - 2023-07-11 09:07 +0000
                                Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Wyouman Petrakis <iawp@eyapkrsk.or> - 2023-07-10 11:39 +0000
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 14:34 -0700
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 15:05 -0700
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-08 17:46 -0700
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 11:12 +0200
                        Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Fraga Kalakos <akol@fgkkakar.gk> - 2023-07-09 15:11 +0000
                    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-08 19:00 -0500
                      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 17:06 -0700
      Crank Richard Hertz refuses to concede, "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-07-08 06:16 -0700
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 08:57 -0700
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 09:05 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 11:21 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-18 13:05 -0700
      Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-18 13:09 -0700
    Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's 43"/century perihelion advance exposed. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 16:44 -0700
      Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 16:56 -0700
        Re: Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 18:43 -0700
          Re: Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 19:30 -0700
            Re: Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-07-18 19:46 -0700
            Re: Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-18 20:37 -0700
              Re: Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-07-18 21:30 -0700
            Re: Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 14:06 -0700
              Re: Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 16:20 -0700
                Re: Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 16:54 -0700
            Re: Crank Richard Hertz digs up some fellow crank Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 16:51 -0700

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#614075

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-06-29 15:42 -0700
Message-ID<5f821f25-7c68-4e84-aa58-e59dad69da84n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#614069
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:09:11 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:03:53 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote: 
> 
> <snip>
> > You don't understand. The trajectory in the standard coordinates (Schwarzschild, say) 
> > is NOT closed. And yes, it can be viewed as a rotating ellipse. Why is this such a 
> > revelation for you all of a sudden?
> <snip projections of a heavy butthurt> 
> 
> I simplified the explanation to Volney, in order to show him how the perihelion advance is described by a circle 
> that repeats every (2πNT/ε) years. In the case of Mercury, 
> 
> 575"/cy = 0.00278768 radians/cy 

GR gives you a solution of the trajectory. Case closed. You can also stop
fantasising about closed minds of those who are telling you that you are wrong.

--
Jan

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#614076

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2023-06-29 15:51 -0700
Message-ID<f111bef9-a8e2-4a8e-ac02-1b647c94093en@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#614075
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:42:38 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:09:11 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:03:53 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote: 
> > 
> > <snip> 
> > > You don't understand. The trajectory in the standard coordinates (Schwarzschild, say) 
> > > is NOT closed. And yes, it can be viewed as a rotating ellipse. Why is this such a 
> > > revelation for you all of a sudden? 
> > <snip projections of a heavy butthurt> 
> > 
> > I simplified the explanation to Volney, in order to show him how the perihelion advance is described by a circle 
> > that repeats every (2πNT/ε) years. In the case of Mercury, 
> > 
> > 575"/cy = 0.00278768 radians/cy
> GR gives you a solution of the trajectory. Case closed. You can also stop 
> fantasising about closed minds of those who are telling you that you are wrong. 
> 
> -- 
> Jan

The same theory that pretends to install that moving clocks run slower and raised clocks run faster. 

And the only thing that you might close is your mouth, used to spread a religion to gullible alumni. You are a danger
to the civilized world, in the same way woke non-binary beings are allowed to teach children.

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#614080

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-06-29 17:33 -0700
Message-ID<bba9e019-408d-4e5f-b39c-bb21e74a6c5cn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#614076
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:

> And the only thing that you might close is your mouth, used to spread a religion to gullible alumni. You are a danger 
> to the civilized world, in the same way woke non-binary beings are allowed to teach children.

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/revolutionary.png

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#614152

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-06-30 13:27 -0700
Message-ID<c2573d8a-794f-4768-94fd-d3b57f60208an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#614076
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 7:42:38 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote: 
> > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:09:11 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:03:53 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote: 
> > > 
> > > <snip> 
> > > > You don't understand. The trajectory in the standard coordinates (Schwarzschild, say) 
> > > > is NOT closed. And yes, it can be viewed as a rotating ellipse. Why is this such a 
> > > > revelation for you all of a sudden? 
> > > <snip projections of a heavy butthurt> 
> > > 
> > > I simplified the explanation to Volney, in order to show him how the perihelion advance is described by a circle 
> > > that repeats every (2πNT/ε) years. In the case of Mercury, 
> > > 
> > > 575"/cy = 0.00278768 radians/cy 
> > GR gives you a solution of the trajectory. Case closed. You can also stop 
> > fantasising about closed minds of those who are telling you that you are wrong. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jan
> The same theory that pretends to install that moving clocks run slower and raised clocks run faster. 

Not even wrong. Man, you really have it bad.

> And the only thing that you might close is your mouth, used to spread a religion to gullible alumni. You are a danger 
> to the civilized world, in the same way woke non-binary beings are allowed to teach children.

Stop fantasising. I recommend you stop "doing physics", it only causes
you endless frustration. You will never "win" this game because you are
attacking phantoms of your imagination.

--
Jan

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#614154

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2023-06-30 14:16 -0700
Message-ID<b561ca7b-a5cc-45b2-8223-4aa119da350bn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#614152
On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:27:21 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 

<snip>

> > The same theory that pretends to install that moving clocks run slower and raised clocks run faster.

> Not even wrong. Man, you really have it bad.

What I wrote is exactly what relativists affirm EVERYWHERE, but you disagree?

You are a pathetic sick little mathematician, that post anything in order to participate and get someone to reply you.
You have all the hallmarks of senile dementia, or worse. Make someone who cares for you to get you hospitalized.

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#614160

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-06-30 19:44 -0500
Message-ID<kg9b72F4rn6U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#614154
On 6/30/2023 4:16 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:27:21 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>>> The same theory that pretends to install that moving clocks run slower and raised clocks run faster.
> 
>> Not even wrong. Man, you really have it bad.
> 
> What I wrote is exactly what relativists affirm EVERYWHERE, but you disagree?
> 
> You are a pathetic sick little mathematician, that post anything in order to participate and get someone to reply you.
> You have all the hallmarks of senile dementia, or worse. Make someone who cares for you to get you hospitalized.

Did that improve how you feel?

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#614165

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-06-30 21:08 -0400
Message-ID<u7nuad$2mcu7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#614154
On 6/30/2023 5:16 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:27:21 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>>> The same theory that pretends to install that moving clocks run slower and raised clocks run faster.
> 
>> Not even wrong. Man, you really have it bad.
> 
> What I wrote is exactly what relativists affirm EVERYWHERE, but you disagree?

It is wrong. Any decent physicist (relativist is a crackpot word) will 
tell you every clock ticks at its usual rate, one second per second. 
They will also tell you how a clock deep in a gravity well will be 
measured as running slower by an observer not so deep, and the observer 
deep in the well will observe the clock not so deep as running faster. 
For example, the GPS satellites (when ignoring the motion contribution) 
will be observed by earth observers as running ~45 µS/day faster. Which 
is why their carrier frequency is 10.22999999543 MHz, but received on 
earth at 10.23 MHz (exactly).
> 
> You are a pathetic sick little mathematician, that post anything in order to participate and get someone to reply you.
> You have all the hallmarks of senile dementia, or worse. Make someone who cares for you to get you hospitalized.
> 
You are projecting again, Richard.

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#614184

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-06-30 21:49 -0700
Message-ID<8bebde1d-067a-4d28-863c-0657e35e8831n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#614165
On Saturday, 1 July 2023 at 03:08:32 UTC+2, Volney wrote:
> On 6/30/2023 5:16 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 5:27:21 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote: 
> >> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > 
> > <snip> 
> > 
> >>> The same theory that pretends to install that moving clocks run slower and raised clocks run faster. 
> > 
> >> Not even wrong. Man, you really have it bad. 
> > 
> > What I wrote is exactly what relativists affirm EVERYWHERE, but you disagree?
> It is wrong. Any decent physicist (relativist is a crackpot word) will 
> tell you every clock ticks at its usual rate, 

Sure the idiot will tell, but anyone can check GPS
and see it's just some insane bullshit.

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#614109

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-06-30 00:25 -0400
Message-ID<u7llfq$2enip$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#614069
On 6/29/2023 6:09 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:03:53 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> You don't understand. The trajectory in the standard coordinates (Schwarzschild, say)
>> is NOT closed. And yes, it can be viewed as a rotating ellipse. Why is this such a
>> revelation for you all of a sudden?
> 
> <snip projections of a heavy butthurt>
> 
> I simplified the explanation to Volney, in order to show him how the perihelion advance is described by a circle

Which was a change in the subject.

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#614119 — Re: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's

FromPeter-John Maes <a-he@t-jtrjsm.ee>
Date2023-06-30 11:13 +0000
SubjectRe: The HOAX of Einstein's Mercury's
Message-ID<u7mdcd$c15q$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#614109
Volney wrote:

> On 6/29/2023 6:09 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:03:53 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:
>>> You don't understand. The trajectory in the standard coordinates
>>> (Schwarzschild, say)
>>> is NOT closed. And yes, it can be viewed as a rotating ellipse. Why is
>>> this such a revelation for you all of a sudden?
>> I simplified the explanation to Volney, in order to show him how the
>> perihelion advance is described by a circle
> 
> Which was a change in the subject.

you don't undrestand. As said, these khazar goys satanists just change 
their names and move to america. It's in their history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_schisms#Sabbateans_and_Frankists

A few decades after Shabbatai Sevi's death, a man by the name of Jacob
Frank claiming mystical powers preached that he was Shabbatai Sevi's
successor. He attracted a following, preached against the Talmud,
advocated a form of licentious worship, and was condemned by the rabbis at
the time. When confronted by the Polish authorities, he converted to
Catholicism in 1759 in the presence of King Augustus III of Poland,
together with groups of his Jewish followers, known as "Frankists".

The Frankists eventually joined the Polish nobility and gentry.

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#614108

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-06-30 00:23 -0400
Message-ID<u7llcm$2enip$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#614048
On 6/29/2023 3:17 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 1:14:42 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> 
> 
> <snip>
>> On 6/28/2023 9:46 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>
>>> And, to add more evidence to the GR HOAX about Mercury, it happens that the orbital path IS NOT A CLOSED ELLIPSE.
> 
> 
>> And...? That's what happens when the perihelion precesses. Did you have a point?
> 
> Yes, Volney. I do have a point: YOU ARE A FUCKING CLUELESS IGNORANT RELATIVIST!
> 
> The advance of perihelion is a recession effect IN A CLOSED ELLIPTIC ORBIT,

<snip change of subject>

We were talking about the orbit itself. With a nonzero precession, the 
orbit doesn't repeat and is not an ellipse. It will resemble something 
produced by the Spirograph toy.

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#614118

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2023-06-30 11:45 +0200
Message-ID<1qd4yhz.10ym5ndcbmco6N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#614108
Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 6/29/2023 3:17 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 1:14:42?PM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > <snip>
> >> On 6/28/2023 9:46 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> >>
> >>> And, to add more evidence to the GR HOAX about Mercury, it happens
> >>> that the orbital path IS NOT A CLOSED ELLIPSE.
> >>> 
> > 
> >> And...? That's what happens when the perihelion precesses. Did you have
> >> a point?
> >> 
> > Yes, Volney. I do have a point: YOU ARE A FUCKING CLUELESS IGNORANT
> > RELATIVIST!
> > 
> > The advance of perihelion is a recession effect IN A CLOSED ELLIPTIC
> > ORBIT,
> 
> <snip change of subject>
> 
> We were talking about the orbit itself. With a nonzero precession, the
> orbit doesn't repeat and is not an ellipse. It will resemble something
> produced by the Spirograph toy.

Yes. The real orbit, as computed at JPL for eaxample,
is quite complicated, and it cannot given be any simple equation.
(all sufficiently massive bodies in the solar system contribute to the
computation)

The correct statement is:
If we regularly compute a 'best fitting' ellipse
that approximates the orbit as well as possible,
then that ellipse will rotate on average.
General relativistic effects contribute 43"/cy
to that rotation,

Jan

And for the kiddies: astronomers call those approximate descriptions
'the elements of the orbit'. The best values are published regularly
in almanacs.
(together with ways of computing corrections at other instants)

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#614120

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-06-30 04:13 -0700
Message-ID<1a5ec7c4-7057-482c-add4-c3becf1d9eedn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#614118
On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 11:45:42 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Volney <vol...@invalid.invalid> wrote: 
> 
> > On 6/29/2023 3:17 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 1:14:42?PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > <snip> 
> > >> On 6/28/2023 9:46 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > >> 
> > >>> And, to add more evidence to the GR HOAX about Mercury, it happens 
> > >>> that the orbital path IS NOT A CLOSED ELLIPSE. 
> > >>> 
> > > 
> > >> And...? That's what happens when the perihelion precesses. Did you have 
> > >> a point? 
> > >> 
> > > Yes, Volney. I do have a point: YOU ARE A FUCKING CLUELESS IGNORANT 
> > > RELATIVIST! 
> > > 
> > > The advance of perihelion is a recession effect IN A CLOSED ELLIPTIC 
> > > ORBIT, 
> > 
> > <snip change of subject> 
> > 
> > We were talking about the orbit itself. With a nonzero precession, the 
> > orbit doesn't repeat and is not an ellipse. It will resemble something 
> > produced by the Spirograph toy.
> Yes. The real orbit, as computed at JPL for eaxample, 
> is quite complicated, and it cannot given be any simple equation. 
> (all sufficiently massive bodies in the solar system contribute to the 
> computation) 
> 
> The correct statement is: 
> If we regularly compute a 'best fitting' ellipse 
> that approximates the orbit as well as possible, 
> then that ellipse will rotate on average. 
> General relativistic effects contribute 43"/cy 
> to that rotation, 
> 
> Jan 
> 
> And for the kiddies: astronomers call those approximate descriptions 
> 'the elements of the orbit'. The best values are published regularly 
> in almanacs. 

And another notice for kiddies - instead insane Shit
of Einstein astronomers use good old Euclidean
math for that.

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#614187

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2023-07-01 13:26 +0200
Message-ID<1qd5tgu.1bben7h1fdtpv5N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#614120
Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 30 June 2023 at 11:45:42 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Volney <vol...@invalid.invalid> wrote: 
> > 
> > > On 6/29/2023 3:17 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 1:14:42?PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > <snip> 
> > > >> On 6/28/2023 9:46 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > > >> 
> > > >>> And, to add more evidence to the GR HOAX about Mercury, it happens
> > > >>> that the orbital path IS NOT A CLOSED ELLIPSE. 
> > > >>> 
> > > > 
> > > >> And...? That's what happens when the perihelion precesses. Did you have
> > > >> a point? 
> > > >> 
> > > > Yes, Volney. I do have a point: YOU ARE A FUCKING CLUELESS IGNORANT
> > > > RELATIVIST! 
> > > > 
> > > > The advance of perihelion is a recession effect IN A CLOSED ELLIPTIC
> > > > ORBIT, 
> > > 
> > > <snip change of subject> 
> > > 
> > > We were talking about the orbit itself. With a nonzero precession, the
> > > orbit doesn't repeat and is not an ellipse. It will resemble something
> > > produced by the Spirograph toy.
> > Yes. The real orbit, as computed at JPL for eaxample, 
> > is quite complicated, and it cannot given be any simple equation. 
> > (all sufficiently massive bodies in the solar system contribute to the
> > computation) 
> > 
> > The correct statement is: 
> > If we regularly compute a 'best fitting' ellipse 
> > that approximates the orbit as well as possible, 
> > then that ellipse will rotate on average. 
> > General relativistic effects contribute 43"/cy 
> > to that rotation, 
> > 
> > Jan 
> > 
> > And for the kiddies: astronomers call those approximate descriptions
> > 'the elements of the orbit'. The best values are published regularly
> > in almanacs. 
> 
> And another notice for kiddies - instead insane Shit
> of Einstein astronomers use good old Euclidean
> math for that.

You failed to notice that Einstein did just that,
when first deriving that 43" by perturbation theory,

Jan

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#614402

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-03 14:37 -0700
Message-ID<7fbe6e98-d9ea-4e35-aa96-8453268c98f0n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#613164
As I wrote many times before, GR is AN HOAX, and one of the biggest HOAX in science: physics, astronomy and mathematics.
It goes too for the electrodynamics crap of SR. Thousands of physicists participated in this fraud for more than a century, mostly
because it provided new mathematical tools for the new generations of scientists, bored with Newton's actions at a distance, to play with.

But western science downplayed eastern science all the time, except in the last 30 years, when the tide turned on, and China started to lead.

This is one simple example of what A GENIUS is, born in the poor China in 1918, and who was one of the main responsible for
converting China in a nuclear superpower: KAI-CHIA CHENG.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheng_Kaijia

Of course that his earlier demonstrations (1944) about how worthless and excessively complex GR equations were, have been
BURIED IN HISTORY, but they are still there.

In two masterpiece papers, submitted to Nature magazine, he and his follower (SU-CHING KIANG), demonstrated that just by using
Eotvos 1890 principle of equivalence, and elementary assumptions of the curvature of the Universe (theories that appeared by 1880:
Killing, Newmann, Liebmann, Bertrand, Hall, Newcomb and many others, like Schwarzschild in 1900) developed. The main idea behind
this movement was to figure out how Kepler/Newton laws would work if the universe was not flat, but had parabolic or hyperbolic
curvatures.

These are two simple papers (1945, 1946) that demonstrated the advance of Mercury's perihelion and the bending of starlight by
the Sun JUST using the equivalence principle and a curved universe, without A SINGLE TRACE OF ANY RELATIVITY at all.

A Simple Calculation of the Perihelion of Mercury from the Principle of Equivalence
KAI-CHIA CHENG 
Published: 12 May 1945

https://www.nature.com/articles/155574b0

CHENG final quote: "This is the same equation as that obtained from Schwarzschild's solution and the geodesic equation of a test body".


Deflexion of Light in the Gravitational Field without using Einstein Geometry
SU-CHING KIANG 
Published: 22 June 1946

https://www.nature.com/articles/157842c0

QUOTE from 1945 publication: "In a communication in Nature1, Cheng has shown that the advance of perihelion can be easily obtained from a classical Lagrangian with contraction of length and time in the gravitational field but WITHOUT the use of the Einstein geometry. Applying this same result to a beam of light passing through the sun's surface, it is found that the deflection angle would be 2.61".

**********************************************
After WWII finished, and with the impact of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on his mind, KAI-CHIA CHENG went to the UK to study at the 
University of Edinburgh, obtaining a PhD in 1948 under advisor Max Born, becoming a researcher in the UK until 1950, when he
returned to the People's Republic of China.

Cheng was a pioneer of Chinese nuclear technology and played an important role in the development of the first Chinese 
atomic bomb. He first calculated out the inner temperature and pressure for an atomic bomb blast in China. 
His calculation was an extremely heavy task and nearly manual, because during that time China did not have any computer 
or calculators. He also solved the mechanism of the inner explosion, which could support the design of the bomb. He was
the chief director for many nuclear weapon test fields/bases and their explosion processes.

In 1999, he was awarded "Two Bombs and One Satellite Meritorious Award" for his contribution to atomic bomb and hydrogen bomb.
In July 2017, Chairman Xi Jinping awarded Cheng the Order of August First, the highest military award of People's Republic of China.
**********************************************

WHY THE EARLY WORK OF THIS GENIUS AND HIS FOLLOWERS IN CHINA HAS BEEN SILENCED, BURIED IN HISTORY?

Because he PROVED THE HOAX OF RELATIVITY on its full extensions and consequences.

Imagine IF (racism apart) his non-relativistic, simple AND PERFECT theory would have gained popularity. How many billions USD
could have been spared and how many thousands of bright people could have been reoriented to do REAL SCIENCE?

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#614423

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-03 19:30 -0700
Message-ID<477f8a5d-63f8-49f6-a0f3-8b24cfe3f14dn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#614402
On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 6:37:17 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> As I wrote many times before, GR is AN HOAX, and one of the biggest HOAX in science: physics, astronomy and mathematics. 
> It goes too for the electrodynamics crap of SR. Thousands of physicists participated in this fraud for more than a century, mostly 
> because it provided new mathematical tools for the new generations of scientists, bored with Newton's actions at a distance, to play with. 
> 
> But western science downplayed eastern science all the time, except in the last 30 years, when the tide turned on, and China started to lead. 
> 
> This is one simple example of what A GENIUS is, born in the poor China in 1918, and who was one of the main responsible for 
> converting China in a nuclear superpower: KAI-CHIA CHENG. 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheng_Kaijia 
> 
> Of course that his earlier demonstrations (1944) about how worthless and excessively complex GR equations were, have been 
> BURIED IN HISTORY, but they are still there. 
> 
> In two masterpiece papers, submitted to Nature magazine, he and his follower (SU-CHING KIANG), demonstrated that just by using 
> Eotvos 1890 principle of equivalence, and elementary assumptions of the curvature of the Universe (theories that appeared by 1880: 
> Killing, Newmann, Liebmann, Bertrand, Hall, Newcomb and many others, like Schwarzschild in 1900) developed. The main idea behind 
> this movement was to figure out how Kepler/Newton laws would work if the universe was not flat, but had parabolic or hyperbolic 
> curvatures. 
> 
> These are two simple papers (1945, 1946) that demonstrated the advance of Mercury's perihelion and the bending of starlight by 
> the Sun JUST using the equivalence principle and a curved universe, without A SINGLE TRACE OF ANY RELATIVITY at all. 
> 
> A Simple Calculation of the Perihelion of Mercury from the Principle of Equivalence 
> KAI-CHIA CHENG 
> Published: 12 May 1945 
> 
> https://www.nature.com/articles/155574b0 
> 
> CHENG final quote: "This is the same equation as that obtained from Schwarzschild's solution and the geodesic equation of a test body". 
> 
> 
> Deflexion of Light in the Gravitational Field without using Einstein Geometry 
> SU-CHING KIANG 
> Published: 22 June 1946 
> 
> https://www.nature.com/articles/157842c0 
> 
> QUOTE from 1945 publication: "In a communication in Nature1, Cheng has shown that the advance of perihelion can be easily obtained from a classical Lagrangian with contraction of length and time in the gravitational field but WITHOUT the use of the Einstein geometry. Applying this same result to a beam of light passing through the sun's surface, it is found that the deflection angle would be 2.61". 
> 
> ********************************************** 
> After WWII finished, and with the impact of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on his mind, KAI-CHIA CHENG went to the UK to study at the 
> University of Edinburgh, obtaining a PhD in 1948 under advisor Max Born, becoming a researcher in the UK until 1950, when he 
> returned to the People's Republic of China. 
> 
> Cheng was a pioneer of Chinese nuclear technology and played an important role in the development of the first Chinese 
> atomic bomb. He first calculated out the inner temperature and pressure for an atomic bomb blast in China. 
> His calculation was an extremely heavy task and nearly manual, because during that time China did not have any computer 
> or calculators. He also solved the mechanism of the inner explosion, which could support the design of the bomb. He was 
> the chief director for many nuclear weapon test fields/bases and their explosion processes. 
> 
> In 1999, he was awarded "Two Bombs and One Satellite Meritorious Award" for his contribution to atomic bomb and hydrogen bomb. 
> In July 2017, Chairman Xi Jinping awarded Cheng the Order of August First, the highest military award of People's Republic of China. 
> ********************************************** 
> 
> WHY THE EARLY WORK OF THIS GENIUS AND HIS FOLLOWERS IN CHINA HAS BEEN SILENCED, BURIED IN HISTORY? 
> 
> Because he PROVED THE HOAX OF RELATIVITY on its full extensions and consequences. 
> 
> Imagine IF (racism apart) his non-relativistic, simple AND PERFECT theory would have gained popularity. How many billions USD 
> could have been spared and how many thousands of bright people could have been reoriented to do REAL SCIENCE?



Following the 1945 paper of KAI-CHIA CHENG, Sommerfeld (a hard-core relativist, friend of Einstein and the first to whom
Einstein communicated his 1915 solution on Mercury's perihelion) tried to use the same concepts but using Minkowski's flat
spacetime. He failed by then (was held prisoner at Scotland with another 10 physicists, and maybe "out of shape").
Sommerfeld went again to this particular approach in 1952, and successfully derived the exact external solution to Einstein’s
field equations, the external Schwarzschild solution, using only the principle of equivalence and Minkowski's flat spacetime.

Even when Sommerfeld used Minkowski's meter PLUS the principle of equivalence, while KAI-CHIA CHENG used Eotvos plus
classic lagrangian approach, both works proved that all the geometric complexity of Ricci and Levi-Civita was UNNECESSARY.

Once Sommerfeld's solution was applied to Mercury, an exact theoretical solution was obtained. Exactly the same result
as the one obtained by KAI-CHIA CHENG in 1945 (actually in 1944, published in 1945 on the famous Nature maganzine).

I repeat: GR IS AN HOAX, and the role of the astronomer Freundlich emerges as THE REAL MASTERMIND behind Einstein's ideas
since 1911, up to 1919. He was Einstein's main advisor since 1911, and he was a very illustrated person on the topic of curved
space, time and every single theory developed on this matter since 1890. He conducted the failed 1914 expedition to Crimea, to
measure light deflection on the eclipse of that year, falsely affirmed that he had measured red-shifting in Sun's light in that year,
and was a permanent consultant working with Einstein in 1915, BEING PAID BY EINSTEIN FROM 1915 TO 1919.

GR IS AN HOAX, and the name of Freundlich was ERASED from GR history, as well as his contribution for more than 8 years,
close to Einstein (side by side in 1915).

WHY THIS IS NOT WIDELY KNOWN? Why there is no Einstein-Freundlich GR as it was a failed Eintein-Grossman?

Both companions, plus many others, ERASED from history. 

GR is a religion with only one pagan jew god. That's why.

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#614424

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-03 19:56 -0700
Message-ID<dcfd9b9c-c2e1-44d5-853b-687ba3873bdfn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#614423
On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 11:30:55 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 6:37:17 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > As I wrote many times before, GR is AN HOAX, and one of the biggest HOAX in science: physics, astronomy and mathematics. 
> > It goes too for the electrodynamics crap of SR. Thousands of physicists participated in this fraud for more than a century, mostly 
> > because it provided new mathematical tools for the new generations of scientists, bored with Newton's actions at a distance, to play with. 
> > 
> > But western science downplayed eastern science all the time, except in the last 30 years, when the tide turned on, and China started to lead. 
> > 
> > This is one simple example of what A GENIUS is, born in the poor China in 1918, and who was one of the main responsible for 
> > converting China in a nuclear superpower: KAI-CHIA CHENG. 
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheng_Kaijia 
> > 
> > Of course that his earlier demonstrations (1944) about how worthless and excessively complex GR equations were, have been 
> > BURIED IN HISTORY, but they are still there. 
> > 
> > In two masterpiece papers, submitted to Nature magazine, he and his follower (SU-CHING KIANG), demonstrated that just by using 
> > Eotvos 1890 principle of equivalence, and elementary assumptions of the curvature of the Universe (theories that appeared by 1880: 
> > Killing, Newmann, Liebmann, Bertrand, Hall, Newcomb and many others, like Schwarzschild in 1900) developed. The main idea behind 
> > this movement was to figure out how Kepler/Newton laws would work if the universe was not flat, but had parabolic or hyperbolic 
> > curvatures. 
> > 
> > These are two simple papers (1945, 1946) that demonstrated the advance of Mercury's perihelion and the bending of starlight by 
> > the Sun JUST using the equivalence principle and a curved universe, without A SINGLE TRACE OF ANY RELATIVITY at all. 
> > 
> > A Simple Calculation of the Perihelion of Mercury from the Principle of Equivalence 
> > KAI-CHIA CHENG 
> > Published: 12 May 1945 
> > 
> > https://www.nature.com/articles/155574b0 
> > 
> > CHENG final quote: "This is the same equation as that obtained from Schwarzschild's solution and the geodesic equation of a test body". 
> > 
> > 
> > Deflexion of Light in the Gravitational Field without using Einstein Geometry 
> > SU-CHING KIANG 
> > Published: 22 June 1946 
> > 
> > https://www.nature.com/articles/157842c0 
> > 
> > QUOTE from 1945 publication: "In a communication in Nature1, Cheng has shown that the advance of perihelion can be easily obtained from a classical Lagrangian with contraction of length and time in the gravitational field but WITHOUT the use of the Einstein geometry. Applying this same result to a beam of light passing through the sun's surface, it is found that the deflection angle would be 2.61". 
> > 
> > ********************************************** 
> > After WWII finished, and with the impact of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on his mind, KAI-CHIA CHENG went to the UK to study at the 
> > University of Edinburgh, obtaining a PhD in 1948 under advisor Max Born, becoming a researcher in the UK until 1950, when he 
> > returned to the People's Republic of China. 
> > 
> > Cheng was a pioneer of Chinese nuclear technology and played an important role in the development of the first Chinese 
> > atomic bomb. He first calculated out the inner temperature and pressure for an atomic bomb blast in China. 
> > His calculation was an extremely heavy task and nearly manual, because during that time China did not have any computer 
> > or calculators. He also solved the mechanism of the inner explosion, which could support the design of the bomb. He was 
> > the chief director for many nuclear weapon test fields/bases and their explosion processes. 
> > 
> > In 1999, he was awarded "Two Bombs and One Satellite Meritorious Award" for his contribution to atomic bomb and hydrogen bomb. 
> > In July 2017, Chairman Xi Jinping awarded Cheng the Order of August First, the highest military award of People's Republic of China. 
> > ********************************************** 
> > 
> > WHY THE EARLY WORK OF THIS GENIUS AND HIS FOLLOWERS IN CHINA HAS BEEN SILENCED, BURIED IN HISTORY? 
> > 
> > Because he PROVED THE HOAX OF RELATIVITY on its full extensions and consequences. 
> > 
> > Imagine IF (racism apart) his non-relativistic, simple AND PERFECT theory would have gained popularity. How many billions USD 
> > could have been spared and how many thousands of bright people could have been reoriented to do REAL SCIENCE?
> Following the 1945 paper of KAI-CHIA CHENG, Sommerfeld (a hard-core relativist, friend of Einstein and the first to whom 
> Einstein communicated his 1915 solution on Mercury's perihelion) tried to use the same concepts but using Minkowski's flat 
> spacetime. He failed by then (was held prisoner at Scotland with another 10 physicists, and maybe "out of shape"). 
> Sommerfeld went again to this particular approach in 1952, and successfully derived the exact external solution to Einstein’s 
> field equations, the external Schwarzschild solution, using only the principle of equivalence and Minkowski's flat spacetime. 
> 
> Even when Sommerfeld used Minkowski's meter PLUS the principle of equivalence, while KAI-CHIA CHENG used Eotvos plus 
> classic lagrangian approach, both works proved that all the geometric complexity of Ricci and Levi-Civita was UNNECESSARY. 
> 
> Once Sommerfeld's solution was applied to Mercury, an exact theoretical solution was obtained. Exactly the same result 
> as the one obtained by KAI-CHIA CHENG in 1945 (actually in 1944, published in 1945 on the famous Nature maganzine). 
> 
> I repeat: GR IS AN HOAX, and the role of the astronomer Freundlich emerges as THE REAL MASTERMIND behind Einstein's ideas 
> since 1911, up to 1919. He was Einstein's main advisor since 1911, and he was a very illustrated person on the topic of curved 
> space, time and every single theory developed on this matter since 1890. He conducted the failed 1914 expedition to Crimea, to 
> measure light deflection on the eclipse of that year, falsely affirmed that he had measured red-shifting in Sun's light in that year, 
> and was a permanent consultant working with Einstein in 1915, BEING PAID BY EINSTEIN FROM 1915 TO 1919. 
> 
> GR IS AN HOAX, and the name of Freundlich was ERASED from GR history, as well as his contribution for more than 8 years, 
> close to Einstein (side by side in 1915). 
> 
> WHY THIS IS NOT WIDELY KNOWN? Why there is no Einstein-Freundlich GR as it was a failed Eintein-Grossman? 
> 
> Both companions, plus many others, ERASED from history. 
> 
> GR is a religion with only one pagan jew god. That's why.

And, if anyone is reading these posts, and wonder why around 1880 a movement about the curvature of the universe started, the reason is simple:

Being accepted that the Universe, by 1880 the Milky Way, was finite, the question about what was its shape spread like wildfire.

Theories about the universe having a flat space, a parabolic, hyperbolic or spherical abounded, with dozens of theories competing on an 
intercontinental basis.

What shape is the universe?
https://m.astronomy.com/news/2021/02/what-shape-is-the-universe

By 1907, attempts to connect curvature with masses of celestial bodies started, and a new bunch of theories abunded.

Einstein-Grossman-Freundlich only can have the credit of using italian tensor geometry, with absolute differential geometry violated by
declaring time as the fourth dimension, bringing a uber complex theory with almost no analytical solutions, except rarities.

Instead, competing theories like Nordstrom's scalar theory, were buried, as Nordstrom WAS BULLIED by Einstein's team, and abandoned the
competition. Very strong forces were behind Einstein, the same that made him an icon of science overnight, one day in Nov. 1919.

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#614666

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com>
Date2023-07-07 11:34 -0700
Message-ID<2ec3ccda-790a-4dac-a78f-677a06a64051n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#614402
On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 2:37:17 PM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> As I wrote many times before, GR is AN HOAX, and one of the biggest HOAX in science: physics, astronomy and mathematics. 
> It goes too for the electrodynamics crap of SR. Thousands of physicists participated in this fraud for more than a century, mostly 
> because it provided new mathematical tools for the new generations of scientists, bored with Newton's actions at a distance, to play with. 
> 
> But western science downplayed eastern science all the time, except in the last 30 years, when the tide turned on, and China started to lead. 
> 
> This is one simple example of what A GENIUS is, born in the poor China in 1918, and who was one of the main responsible for 
> converting China in a nuclear superpower: KAI-CHIA CHENG. 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheng_Kaijia 
> 
> Of course that his earlier demonstrations (1944) about how worthless and excessively complex GR equations were, have been 
> BURIED IN HISTORY, but they are still there. 
> 
> In two masterpiece papers, submitted to Nature magazine, he and his follower (SU-CHING KIANG), demonstrated that just by using 
> Eotvos 1890 principle of equivalence, and elementary assumptions of the curvature of the Universe (theories that appeared by 1880: 
> Killing, Newmann, Liebmann, Bertrand, Hall, Newcomb and many others, like Schwarzschild in 1900) developed. The main idea behind 
> this movement was to figure out how Kepler/Newton laws would work if the universe was not flat, but had parabolic or hyperbolic 
> curvatures. 
> 
> These are two simple papers (1945, 1946) that demonstrated the advance of Mercury's perihelion and the bending of starlight by 
> the Sun JUST using the equivalence principle and a curved universe, without A SINGLE TRACE OF ANY RELATIVITY at all. 
> 
> A Simple Calculation of the Perihelion of Mercury from the Principle of Equivalence 
> KAI-CHIA CHENG 
> Published: 12 May 1945 
> 
> https://www.nature.com/articles/155574b0 
> 
> CHENG final quote: "This is the same equation as that obtained from Schwarzschild's solution and the geodesic equation of a test body". 
> 
> 
> Deflexion of Light in the Gravitational Field without using Einstein Geometry 
> SU-CHING KIANG 
> Published: 22 June 1946 
> 
> https://www.nature.com/articles/157842c0 
> 
> QUOTE from 1945 publication: "In a communication in Nature1, Cheng has shown that the advance of perihelion can be easily obtained from a classical Lagrangian with contraction of length and time in the gravitational field but WITHOUT the use of the Einstein geometry. Applying this same result to a beam of light passing through the sun's surface, it is found that the deflection angle would be 2.61". 
> 
> ********************************************** 
> After WWII finished, and with the impact of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on his mind, KAI-CHIA CHENG went to the UK to study at the 
> University of Edinburgh, obtaining a PhD in 1948 under advisor Max Born, becoming a researcher in the UK until 1950, when he 
> returned to the People's Republic of China. 
> 
> Cheng was a pioneer of Chinese nuclear technology and played an important role in the development of the first Chinese 
> atomic bomb. He first calculated out the inner temperature and pressure for an atomic bomb blast in China. 
> His calculation was an extremely heavy task and nearly manual, because during that time China did not have any computer 
> or calculators. He also solved the mechanism of the inner explosion, which could support the design of the bomb. He was 
> the chief director for many nuclear weapon test fields/bases and their explosion processes. 
> 
> In 1999, he was awarded "Two Bombs and One Satellite Meritorious Award" for his contribution to atomic bomb and hydrogen bomb. 
> In July 2017, Chairman Xi Jinping awarded Cheng the Order of August First, the highest military award of People's Republic of China. 
> ********************************************** 
> 
> WHY THE EARLY WORK OF THIS GENIUS AND HIS FOLLOWERS IN CHINA HAS BEEN SILENCED, BURIED IN HISTORY? 
> 
> Because he PROVED THE HOAX OF RELATIVITY on its full extensions and consequences. 
> 
> Imagine IF (racism apart) his non-relativistic, simple AND PERFECT theory would have gained popularity. How many billions USD 
> could have been spared and how many thousands of bright people could have been reoriented to do REAL SCIENCE?
If light does not share the velocity of the source all that is needed is ordinary negative additive velocity equation: sqrt of V^2 - v^2. Many critics of relativity have singled out one part and shown it is not necessary without realizing all of it is.

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#614657

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-07 11:13 -0700
Message-ID<54ae5f05-6bc4-4b29-8d84-3e745845deecn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#613164
On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:32:48 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:

<snip>

> As of today, astronomers KEEP USING Clemence values from 1943: 
> 
> Newton: 532.33 arcsec/century 
> GR: 42.98 arcsec/century 
> Total: 575.31 arcsec/century 
> 
> The above values are from an undisputed calculation that was made 
> almost 125 years ago by Newcomb and NOBODY, after Einstein 1919, 
> dared to refute. In particular, Clemence (1943, 1947, 1952). 
> 
> GR IS AN HOAX.


Newtonian N-body calculations of the advance of Mercury’s perihelion
J. V. Narlikar, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Bombay, India
N. C. Rana, Department of Physics, University of Durham, South Road, Durham
1984 November 15

Summary. The rate of advance of the perihelion of planet Mercury is calculated by a numerical integration of the Newtonian equations of motion and gravitation.
It is found that the rate fluctuates but has a steady trend of —528.95 arcsec/cy over a long-term period of about five centuries. Taking into account the observed precession we therefore find that the general relativistic correction explains all but about 2.3 arcsec/cy of the discrepancy. 

The classic calculation of Newcomb (1895-98) using techniques of celestial mechanics led to the conclusion that Mercury’s perihelion
should advance at a rate of —532arcsec/cy. 

As mentioned in Section 2 we have used an approach different from the traditional one employed by Newcomb to calculate the 
trajectory of Mercury. Treating the planetary system as an N-body system interacting via Newtonian gravitation, we employ the 
Bulirsch-Stoer method for our numerical computation. This method has been coded by S. J. Aarseth for his program orbits
(tested extensively in other contexts). Our computations are based on this program run on the CDC CYBER 170 computer.

We have taken the initial rectangular coordinates and velocities of the planets with respect to 1950.0 equinox and equator for the
epoch JD 2444600.5 from the Astronomical Almanac 1981 (page E4, H. M. Nautical Office, London). The planetary masses, with 
the exception of Venus are taken from Duncombe et al. (1973). For the mass of Venus we have used the estimate given by
Laubscher (1981) based on all data. Externally we had specified an integration step of five ephemeris days.

4 Discussion
Table 3 lists a few estimated rates of advance of Mercury’s perihelion and the various contributions to it from known and established 
theoretical causes. On the whole the estimates are remarkably consistent so long as the Newtonian component is about 531.2 arcsec/cy. 

So the discrepancy is 2.3 arcsec/cy. In view of this discrepancy we suspect that the second-order perturbation theory is perhaps not adequate for computing the orbit of Mercury at least. We also feel that the analysis of the observed data on Mercury might have been biased by the theory, which was defective. 

Clemence (1943) and later Morrison & Ward (1975) had used the same old perturbation theory of Newcomb. Lestrade & Bretagnon (1982) also did not use sufficiently accurate equations of motion of the planets, which are found, for example in Gravitation, by Misner et al. (1973). The present work thus urges a re-analysis of the observational data on Mercury’s position with adequate care.

********************************************************************

So, these two relativists claimed that now 2.3 arcsec/cy are missing to obtain the sacred 43"/cy calculated by hand 127 years ago,
and validated by Clemence in 1947 (ENIAC?), and others.


Sacred equation: Observations - Newtonian contributions = 43 arcsec/cy (MANDATORY).

But, where are the missing 2"/cy, which would demonstrate that the missing factor is lower than 41 arcsec/cy?

Worse: What if the DEFECTIVE CALCULATIONS since 1897 are fed into a modern supercomputer, with more than 500 calculations
per Mercury's orbit AND all the newtonian simplifications ARE ABANDONED, using accurate data and including EXACT perturbations
on Mercury's orbit, left behind?

After all, in 118 years, MANY extraordinary advances have been achieved in celestial mechanics, computers, software and data
about almost any object in the Solar System, with accuracy greater than 10 ppm in the majority of cases.


GR IS AN HOAX, AND CRETINS DON'T CONCEDE EASILY.

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#614671

FromKeaton Konstantatos <ktnn@tksatooa.ta>
Date2023-07-07 19:16 +0000
Message-ID<u89o9j$3dntd$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#614657
Richard Hertz wrote:

>> GR IS AN HOAX. 
> Newtonian N-body calculations of the advance of Mercury’s perihelion J.
> V. Narlikar, Tata Institute of Fundamental Research, Bombay, India N. C.
> Rana, Department of Physics, University of Durham, South Road, Durham
> 1984 November 15

that's a very dark moment in an already very clouded era in history.

Laws? What Laws? "RULES BASED ORDER" Hegemonic pigs! Geneva Convention, 
all treaties, mean nothing. USA IS A TOTAL DISCRACE TO ALL PEOPLES OF THE 
WORLD...INCLUDING ITS OWN. OHBAMA APOLOGIZING TO AND A PITTANCE PAID TO 
help clear them, "Mine clearing agencies estimate that about 288 million 
cluster munitions and about 75 million unexploded bombs were left across 
Laos after the war ended" AMERICAS WORD MEANS NOTHING...SICK MANIACAL 
MONSTERS!

The US Is openly admitting they intend to cripple and kill Russian 
children. We all know Russia has the military might to end this war in a 
week or less. Let's get it done. Smash the fascists to smithereens. 
Victory to Russia. Z!

This is another in the long list of war crimes committed by the racist war 
criminal Biden.

The more the US loses their proxy war, the more they escalate sending 
weapons. Russia should stop dragging this out and bring tactical nukes 
into play now.

US dont give a f**k about civilans.

*_White_House_confirms_transfer_of_controversial_cluster_bombs_to_Ukraine_*
https://%72t.com/russia/579358-us-ukraine-cluster-munition/

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