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| First post | 2023-06-14 20:25 -0700 |
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If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-14 20:25 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-14 20:48 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-06-14 23:22 -0500
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-15 04:07 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-15 19:24 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-16 02:59 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 15:04 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-16 07:52 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 17:56 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-16 09:38 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 18:46 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-16 09:55 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-06-16 11:55 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-16 13:10 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-16 17:08 -0400
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 14:21 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-16 17:24 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-17 08:32 -0400
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-17 19:30 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 19:36 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-17 19:30 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-17 14:59 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-18 01:15 -0400
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Homero Arendonk <kroo@okorooar.ad> - 2023-06-18 11:28 +0000
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 11:43 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-17 02:55 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 16:30 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-06-17 16:56 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Herbert Marqueringh <nhmm@rruarhei.te> - 2023-06-17 12:40 +0000
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-16 12:01 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 15:06 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 19:43 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-06-15 22:30 +1000
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-15 08:32 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-06-16 20:37 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-15 17:45 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-15 19:46 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-16 12:01 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 14:33 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-06-15 19:58 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-06-16 07:07 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-16 12:01 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 15:08 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-06-17 08:52 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 11:31 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-17 19:30 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-06-18 07:02 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-06-17 02:35 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-06-18 06:56 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-17 16:35 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-06-20 11:52 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-06-20 16:46 -0500
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 15:21 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 22:29 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-21 11:51 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-06-22 15:05 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-23 11:49 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-06-24 13:18 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-25 18:39 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-06-26 14:55 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-28 13:32 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-06-28 10:58 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 21:07 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-30 11:45 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 09:30 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-30 22:49 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 17:03 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-16 09:32 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-17 16:35 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 10:09 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-17 21:14 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-17 17:50 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-18 13:50 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-18 17:18 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-19 11:39 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-06-19 08:19 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 11:08 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-19 22:16 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-19 15:26 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-20 11:25 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-19 17:32 -0400
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-06-20 11:25 +0200
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-20 11:08 -0700
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-18 01:31 -0400
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Jon-Michael Roijacker <rjee@hhkajcnc.oo> - 2023-06-18 11:47 +0000
Re: If the Earth rotation has been slowing down Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-16 01:11 -0400
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2023-06-17 19:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1qchcov.bvo7q3zpp5foN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #613093 |
Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 6/16/2023 8:24 PM, patdolan wrote: > > On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:08:40?PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >> On 6/16/2023 2:55 PM, RichD wrote: > >>> On June 16, patdolan wrote: > >>>> We also have the mathematical demonstration from fine young, > >>>> acclaimed, and presumably atheist mathematicians ( here: > >>>> https://youtu.be/Fm0hOex4psA?t=974 ) that all people on earth today > >>>> are descended from a single mating pair of humans who lived around > >>>> the time of Noah. > >>> > >>> A single pair, yes, but not necessarily a mating pair. No proof that > >>> they "knew" each other - > >>> > >> There's "Y chromosome Adam" and "Mitochondrial Eve", who were the most > >> recent common ancestor of all men's Y Chromosome and everyone's > >> mitochondrial DNA respectively. By knowing the mutation rates in the Y > >> chromosome/mitochondrial DNA respectively, they can estimate how long > >> ago they lived. I don't know the estimates but I do know they're > >> significantly different. Not only weren't they a mating pair, they > >> didn't even live during the same time. > >> > >> There is a genetic bottleneck from about 70,000 years ago when there was > >> a near-extinction event for humans (a volcano I think) and all humans > >> alive now are descended from a rather small population (a few thousand > >> breeding pairs) which survived it. > > > Volrony, see my numeraphile link to educate yourself. > > Sorry, I prefer actual science. > > A genetic bottleneck of Noah, his wife and a few daughters-in-law is too > tight and humanity is unlikely to have survived it. (see King Charles II > to see what the outcome of such a family tree would be). Not to mention > Adam & Eve themselves! Fortuntely there were those Egyptians who failed to notice that they had gone extinct, and went on building pyramids right through the flood period, Jan
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-06-17 14:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e7746e49-97e8-4497-b007-6ae140a1ab6cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #613093 |
On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 5:32:10 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > On 6/16/2023 8:24 PM, patdolan wrote: > > On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:08:40 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: > >> On 6/16/2023 2:55 PM, RichD wrote: > >>> On June 16, patdolan wrote: > >>>> We also have the mathematical demonstration from fine young, acclaimed, and > >>>> presumably atheist mathematicians > >>>> ( here: https://youtu.be/Fm0hOex4psA?t=974 ) that all people > >>>> on earth today are descended from a single mating pair of humans who lived > >>>> around the time of Noah. > >>> > >>> A single pair, yes, but not necessarily a mating pair. No proof that > >>> they "knew" each other - > >>> > >> There's "Y chromosome Adam" and "Mitochondrial Eve", who were the most > >> recent common ancestor of all men's Y Chromosome and everyone's > >> mitochondrial DNA respectively. By knowing the mutation rates in the Y > >> chromosome/mitochondrial DNA respectively, they can estimate how long > >> ago they lived. I don't know the estimates but I do know they're > >> significantly different. Not only weren't they a mating pair, they > >> didn't even live during the same time. > >> > >> There is a genetic bottleneck from about 70,000 years ago when there was > >> a near-extinction event for humans (a volcano I think) and all humans > >> alive now are descended from a rather small population (a few thousand > >> breeding pairs) which survived it. > > > Volrony, see my numeraphile link to educate yourself. > Sorry, I prefer actual science. > > A genetic bottleneck of Noah, his wife and a few daughters-in-law is too > tight and humanity is unlikely to have survived it. (see King Charles II > to see what the outcome of such a family tree would be). Not to mention > Adam & Eve themselves! The humans on the ark had it way better than the rest of the species. There were at least three breeding pairs of humans; four, if you include 500 year old Noah and his 500 year old wife. All the other species were bottlenecked down to a single breeding pair. The most dramatic bottleneck effect in the case of humans was that average lifespan decreased from around 800 years to around 80.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-06-18 01:15 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <u6m3s2$1j15e$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #613146 |
On 6/17/2023 5:59 PM, patdolan wrote: > On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 5:32:10 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote: >> On 6/16/2023 8:24 PM, patdolan wrote: >>> On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 2:08:40 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: >>>> On 6/16/2023 2:55 PM, RichD wrote: >>>>> On June 16, patdolan wrote: >>>>>> We also have the mathematical demonstration from fine young, acclaimed, and >>>>>> presumably atheist mathematicians >>>>>> ( here: https://youtu.be/Fm0hOex4psA?t=974 ) that all people >>>>>> on earth today are descended from a single mating pair of humans who lived >>>>>> around the time of Noah. >>>>> >>>>> A single pair, yes, but not necessarily a mating pair. No proof that >>>>> they "knew" each other - >>>>> >>>> There's "Y chromosome Adam" and "Mitochondrial Eve", who were the most >>>> recent common ancestor of all men's Y Chromosome and everyone's >>>> mitochondrial DNA respectively. By knowing the mutation rates in the Y >>>> chromosome/mitochondrial DNA respectively, they can estimate how long >>>> ago they lived. I don't know the estimates but I do know they're >>>> significantly different. Not only weren't they a mating pair, they >>>> didn't even live during the same time. >>>> >>>> There is a genetic bottleneck from about 70,000 years ago when there was >>>> a near-extinction event for humans (a volcano I think) and all humans >>>> alive now are descended from a rather small population (a few thousand >>>> breeding pairs) which survived it. >> >>> Volrony, see my numeraphile link to educate yourself. >> Sorry, I prefer actual science. >> >> A genetic bottleneck of Noah, his wife and a few daughters-in-law is too >> tight and humanity is unlikely to have survived it. (see King Charles II >> to see what the outcome of such a family tree would be). Not to mention >> Adam & Eve themselves! > The humans on the ark had it way better than the rest of the species. There were at least three breeding pairs of humans; four, if you include 500 year old Noah and his 500 year old wife. All the other species were bottlenecked down to a single breeding pair. > > The most dramatic bottleneck effect in the case of humans was that average lifespan decreased from around 800 years to around 80. That's even worse. No way would they have survived a bottleneck of one couple. No way would the genetic diversity of species be as much as it is now in most species. As I said, I go with the science.
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| From | Homero Arendonk <kroo@okorooar.ad> |
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| Date | 2023-06-18 11:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <u6mpo8$39k68$2@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #613169 |
Volney wrote: >> The most dramatic bottleneck effect in the case of humans was that >> average lifespan decreased from around 800 years to around 80. > > That's even worse. No way would they have survived a bottleneck of one > couple. No way would the genetic diversity of species be as much as it > is now in most species. As I said, I go with the science. in this aspect, you are a fossil record, with bad teeth. Why old cranium skulls have good teeth, nothing missing, and you don't, huh?? *_Afghans_make_the_victory_over_US_anniversary_a_national_holiday_* https://%72t.com/news/578222-afghanistan-new-public-holiday/ the afghans killed in 100% the opium production, and the capitalist america got furious like hell, asking afghanistan for cocaine again and again. Congratulations Afghanistan for defeating the minion countries of the Western cabal again! Third time including the two wars waged by the British. Happy holiday. And by not allowing the opium trade Afghanistan is costing the Western cabal banks billions in real cash that is laundered through their branches which they use to prop up their fake money from drug sales which are destroying Western lives as well as others around the world. It is amazing how the greatest military in the world (lol) couldnt shut down the opium trade while they were occupying Afghanistan. Funny that isnt it, almost curious! And while we are talking about the U.S commitment to justice, democracy and human rights does anyone know which prison Baby Bush and Tony Bliar is staying at? Just asking for a friend. capitalist america, a shithole fascia of countries, populated by criminals, united in fascism, terrorism and crimes.
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-06-17 11:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kf5dh6Fin93U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #613054 |
On 2023-06-16 21:08:53 +0000, Volney said: > On 6/16/2023 2:55 PM, RichD wrote: >> On June 16, patdolan wrote: >>> We also have the mathematical demonstration from fine young, acclaimed, and >>> presumably atheist mathematicians >>> ( here: https://youtu.be/Fm0hOex4psA?t=974 ) that all people >>> on earth today are descended from a single mating pair of humans who lived >>> around the time of Noah. >> >> A single pair, yes, but not necessarily a mating pair. No proof that >> they "knew" each other - >> > > There's "Y chromosome Adam" and "Mitochondrial Eve", who were the most > recent common ancestor of all men's Y Chromosome and everyone's > mitochondrial DNA respectively. By knowing the mutation rates in the Y > chromosome/mitochondrial DNA respectively, they can estimate how long > ago they lived. I don't know the estimates but I do know they're > significantly different. Not only weren't they a mating pair, they > didn't even live during the same time. Very important, but I don't suppose patdolan kows it, as he appears to know litte about anything. Even without measurements of mutation rates one could predict that they coudn't have been contemporaries, given the great difference in fecundity between men (typically zero (very frequent) or one surviving male children, up to hundreds, for very rare men) and women (typically one or two surviving female children, never hundreds). > There is a genetic bottleneck from about 70,000 years ago when there > was a near-extinction event for humans (a volcano I think) and all > humans alive now are descended from a rather small population (a few > thousand breeding pairs) which survived it. -- athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2023-06-17 02:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <12be23be-14ad-48d3-ba32-73f4573b085cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #613084 |
On Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 2:43:07 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > On 2023-06-16 21:08:53 +0000, Volney said: > > > On 6/16/2023 2:55 PM, RichD wrote: > >> On June 16, patdolan wrote: > >>> We also have the mathematical demonstration from fine young, acclaimed, and > >>> presumably atheist mathematicians > >>> ( here: https://youtu.be/Fm0hOex4psA?t=974 ) that all people > >>> on earth today are descended from a single mating pair of humans who lived > >>> around the time of Noah. > >> > >> A single pair, yes, but not necessarily a mating pair. No proof that > >> they "knew" each other - > >> > > > > There's "Y chromosome Adam" and "Mitochondrial Eve", who were the most > > recent common ancestor of all men's Y Chromosome and everyone's > > mitochondrial DNA respectively. By knowing the mutation rates in the Y > > chromosome/mitochondrial DNA respectively, they can estimate how long > > ago they lived. I don't know the estimates but I do know they're > > significantly different. Not only weren't they a mating pair, they > > didn't even live during the same time. > Very important, but I don't suppose patdolan kows it, as he appears to > know litte about anything. Even without measurements of mutation rates > one could predict that they coudn't have been contemporaries, given the > great difference in fecundity between men (typically zero (very > frequent) or one surviving male children, up to hundreds, for very rare > men) and women (typically one or two surviving female children, never > hundreds). > > There is a genetic bottleneck from about 70,000 years ago when there > > was a near-extinction event for humans (a volcano I think) and all > > humans alive now are descended from a rather small population (a few > > thousand breeding pairs) which survived it. > -- > athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots patdolan knows plenty. In fact patdolan has taught you the two most important lessons that you have learned in the last twenty years, Athel: the Big Ben Paradox and Dinosaur soft tissue. Your soft tissue paper is overdue. So you start out having been marked down 5 points for lateness.
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-06-17 16:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kf5uc5Fl6rbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #613085 |
On 2023-06-17 09:55:20 +0000, patdolan said: [ … ] > patdolan knows plenty. In fact patdolan has taught you the two most > important lessons that you have learned in the last twenty years, > Athel: the Big Ben Paradox and Dinosaur soft tissue. Your soft tissue > paper is overdue. So you start out having been marked down 5 points > for lateness. patdolan would be considered a crackpot even at a gathering of crackpots. -- athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
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| From | Python <python@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2023-06-17 16:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u6khif$1940n$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #613105 |
Le 17/06/2023 à 16:30, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit : > On 2023-06-17 09:55:20 +0000, patdolan said: > > > [ … ] > >> patdolan knows plenty. In fact patdolan has taught you the two most >> important lessons that you have learned in the last twenty years, >> Athel: the Big Ben Paradox and Dinosaur soft tissue. Your soft tissue >> paper is overdue. So you start out having been marked down 5 points >> for lateness. > > patdolan would be considered a crackpot even at a gathering of crackpots. > > :-o LOL !
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| From | Herbert Marqueringh <nhmm@rruarhei.te> |
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| Date | 2023-06-17 12:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <u6k9k6$2sscb$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #613054 |
Volney wrote: > There is a genetic bottleneck from about 70,000 years ago when there was > a near-extinction event for humans (a volcano I think) and all humans > alive now are descended from a rather small population (a few thousand > breeding pairs) which survived it. not true. 70,000 years ago people were more advanced than today. Human life was 40,000 years, lots of carbons, oxygen and food. Why we allow the west to always cross our *_red_lines_*?? What other *_special_operations_* shall we launch?
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2023-06-16 12:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1qceybr.bcpcsq1a4g4yxN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #612964 |
patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote: > On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:22:56?PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: > > On 6/14/23 10:48 PM, patdolan wrote: > > > the earth is not 4.5 billion [years old]. Newton said the oceans are > > > not salty enough. Kelvin said the earth is not cold enough. Gauss > > > said the earth is too magnetic. > > Wow! You are over a century out of date. None of those arguments hold up > > today: > > * Newton did not account for all the processes affecting the > > salinity of the ocean, which has been approximately constant > > for at least 1.5 billion years. > > * Kelvin did not know about radioactive decay, which has been > > heating the earth from inside. > > * I'm not sure Gauss ever said that, but back then not enough > > was known about the earth's internal structure. > > > > Radiometric dating shows the earth is indeed about 4.5 billion years old. > > > > Tom Roberts > Radiometric dating also conclusively proves that all diamonds and crude > oil are at most 50,000 years old. Ah, you are a creationist IDiot too! Jan -- When misery rains, it pours.
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-06-16 15:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kf3532F868eU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #613023 |
On 2023-06-16 10:01:21 +0000, J. J. Lodder said: > patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> wrote: > >> On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:22:56?PM UTC-7, Tom Roberts wrote: >>> On 6/14/23 10:48 PM, patdolan wrote: >>>> the earth is not 4.5 billion [years old]. Newton said the oceans are >>>> not salty enough. Kelvin said the earth is not cold enough. Gauss >>>> said the earth is too magnetic. >>> Wow! You are over a century out of date. None of those arguments hold up >>> today: >>> * Newton did not account for all the processes affecting the >>> salinity of the ocean, which has been approximately constant >>> for at least 1.5 billion years. >>> * Kelvin did not know about radioactive decay, which has been >>> heating the earth from inside. >>> * I'm not sure Gauss ever said that, but back then not enough >>> was known about the earth's internal structure. >>> >>> Radiometric dating shows the earth is indeed about 4.5 billion years old. >>> >>> Tom Roberts >> Radiometric dating also conclusively proves that all diamonds and crude >> oil are at most 50,000 years old. > > Ah, you are a creationist IDiot too! That's what I expected, though until now he has been quiet about that particular crackpottery. -- athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-06-15 19:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c99eb9a6-16c5-4998-b91b-e925c79bc48cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612947 |
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:48:26 PM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: > On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 8:25:42 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > since a beginning 4.5 billion years ago > > Why has it not stopped? > Mitch, the earth is not 4.5 billion. Newton said the oceans are not salty enough. Kelvin said the earth is not cold enough. Gauss said the earth is too magnetic. How do you know the original density of Carbon 14 to calculate an age? How would you know what age the Earth is? How can anyone be sure? So what does science say?
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-06-15 22:30 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <kf0ej0Fpt77U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #612945 |
On 15-June-23 1:25 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > since a beginning 4.5 billion years ago > Why has it not stopped? The rate of slowing is not sufficient for it to have stopped in 4.5 billion years. Sylvia.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2023-06-15 08:32 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <648B2F1E.7F20@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #612945 |
mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > since a beginning 4.5 billion years ago > Why has it not stopped? It will stop when everthing else stops spinning... even the universe spins. round and round she goes when she stops... -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2023-06-16 20:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <648D2A64.5BB8@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #612976 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > since a beginning 4.5 billion years ago > > Why has it not stopped? > > It will stop when everthing else stops spinning... > > even the universe spins. > > round and round she goes > when she stops... as i mentioned before...the gravitional waves are hitting the earth cause it to slow and speed up...bobbling along. What do you think makes the Earth spin? G. Why do you think the earth spinsa at a angle? G. G wiz. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2023-06-15 17:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1qcdk7i.1fn1a41y8s786N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #612945 |
mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote: > since a beginning 4.5 billion years ago > Why has it not stopped? There is no 'if' about it, (and no, it will never stop) Jan
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-06-15 19:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <17fe5a6c-51c5-4ac5-88c6-bf316fa9808an@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612978 |
On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 8:45:38 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > since a beginning 4.5 billion years ago > > Why has it not stopped? > There is no 'if' about it, > (and no, it will never stop) > > Jan If rotation is slowing down it will stop turning. You see that is wrong. Mitchell Raemsch
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2023-06-16 12:01 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1qcey51.2ys4p8dbefc7N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #612999 |
mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 8:45:38?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > since a beginning 4.5 billion years ago > > > Why has it not stopped? > > There is no 'if' about it, > > (and no, it will never stop) > > > > Jan > > If rotation is slowing down it will stop turning. Your logic is faulty. The rotation rate may asymptotically approach a constant rate. (as it actually does) > You see that is wrong. It is you who needs to do some seeing, Jan
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-06-16 14:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <dae43943-6a54-442e-89fb-8f959690d6ffn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #613022 |
On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 3:01:20 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 8:45:38?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > since a beginning 4.5 billion years ago > > > > Why has it not stopped? > > > There is no 'if' about it, > > > (and no, it will never stop) > > > > > > Jan > > > > If rotation is slowing down it will stop turning. > Your logic is faulty. > The rotation rate may asymptotically approach a constant rate. > (as it actually does) Why would what causes the slowdown go away all of the way jan? > > You see that is wrong. > It is you who needs to do some seeing, Then show me where I am wrong jan. > > Jan
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2023-06-15 19:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fd884c2b-db7f-40bc-90ff-00b6a683a8dcn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #612945 |
El miércoles, 14 de junio de 2023 a las 23:25:42 UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com escribió: > since a beginning 4.5 billion years ago > Why has it not stopped? Over millions of years, Earth's rotation has been slowed significantly by tidal acceleration through gravitational interactions with the Moon. This gradual rotational deceleration is empirically documented by estimates of day lengths obtained from observations of tidal rhythmites and stromatolites; a compilation of these measurements[44] found that the length of the day has increased steadily from about 21 hours at 600 Myr ago[45] to the current 24-hour value.
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