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The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics

Started byEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
First post2018-04-07 14:06 -0700
Last post2018-04-10 10:01 -0700
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  The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-07 14:06 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-07 23:20 +0200
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-07 14:38 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-07 15:29 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-07 17:52 -0400
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 08:58 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 09:13 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-07 16:32 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 09:14 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 10:27 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 12:49 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 13:09 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 13:38 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 14:03 -0700
                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 14:53 -0700
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 15:00 -0700
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 15:13 -0700
                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:09 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:16 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 14:08 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 20:12 -0500
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-09 04:10 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 16:30 -0500
                  [OT] Latin (was: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-10 03:56 +0200
                    Re: [OT] Latin (was: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics) Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 06:28 -0500
                      Re: [OT] Latin Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-10 18:18 +0200
                        Re: [OT] Latin Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-10 12:56 -0400
                      Newton’s «Principia» online (was: [OT] Latin) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-12 03:25 +0200
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:25 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 16:30 -0500
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 18:14 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:31 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:35 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 10:21 -0700
                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 13:58 -0700
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 14:13 -0700
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-09 14:15 -0700
                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 14:37 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 21:46 +0000
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 14:50 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-09 15:08 -0700
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 15:15 -0700
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 08:08 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-10 10:27 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 13:49 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-09 17:18 -0500
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 15:24 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 15:26 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-09 17:57 -0500
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 16:16 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-10 00:43 +0200
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 15:53 -0700
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 08:45 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 09:52 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 10:05 -0700
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 10:14 -0700
                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 13:43 -0700
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 21:05 +0000
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 14:33 -0700
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 16:56 -0700
                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 07:29 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-10 10:35 -0700
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 14:30 -0700
                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 14:49 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 15:18 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-09 17:25 -0500
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 15:29 -0700
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 15:40 -0700
                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 09:02 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-10 09:19 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 09:31 -0700
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 09:43 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 09:58 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-10 10:53 -0700
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 14:06 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 14:42 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 15:11 -0700
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 16:11 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 17:40 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-10 18:20 -0700
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-10 18:44 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 07:42 -0700
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 08:04 -0700
                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 09:17 -0700
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 16:40 +0000
                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 09:57 -0700
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 17:25 +0000
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 12:17 -0700
                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 12:43 -0700
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:51 +0000
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 13:15 -0700
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 13:27 -0700
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 19:09 -0700
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 16:30 -0700
                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 09:33 -0700
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 17:15 -0700
                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 18:46 -0700
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 08:53 -0700
                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 18:40 -0700
                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 18:55 -0700
                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 19:03 -0700
                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 10:04 -0700
                                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-15 21:15 +0200
                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 13:19 -0700
                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-16 10:16 +0200
                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-16 02:46 -0700
                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-16 14:20 -0700
                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-15 21:18 -0700
                                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-16 06:19 +0200
                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-15 22:13 -0700
                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-16 07:22 +0200
                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-15 23:27 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 10:54 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 12:23 -0700
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:27 +0000
                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 13:33 -0700
                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 10:27 -0700
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 10:24 -0700
                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 14:41 -0700
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-12 14:52 -0700
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 16:01 -0700
                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 07:54 -0700
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 08:18 -0700
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 08:54 -0700
                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 09:53 -0700
                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 14:21 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-10 20:55 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 11:59 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 13:14 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 13:24 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 20:36 +0000
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 07:12 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 17:35 +0000
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 13:38 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 14:21 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 15:01 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-08 21:33 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-07 16:56 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-07 17:06 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-07 17:13 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 00:58 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 01:15 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 02:03 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 09:23 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 23:37 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 09:05 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-08 11:02 +1000
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-07 22:46 -0400
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 09:31 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 09:37 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-07 22:27 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 09:28 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 09:33 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-09 12:13 +1000
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:37 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:41 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-09 12:59 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Gaston Levell <jno@itwjwg.tn> - 2018-04-09 20:05 +0000
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 14:20 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-10 12:29 +1000
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-09 17:39 -0400
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 14:59 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-09 17:07 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-08 03:55 +0000
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 09:35 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 09:40 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-08 16:33 -0500
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 14:43 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 14:48 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 15:11 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 15:23 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 19:00 -0700
        Diffraction grating and annual Doppler effect (was: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-15 13:24 -0500
          Re: Diffraction grating and annual Doppler effect (was: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics) dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 16:53 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 07:43 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 08:03 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 12:21 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 14:15 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 15:14 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 23:18 +0000
                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 16:30 -0700
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-10 01:37 +0200
                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 16:41 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-10 02:11 +0200
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 20:34 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-10 05:47 +0200
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 20:50 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 08:22 -0700
                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-11 14:17 -0500
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:23 +0000
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 13:30 -0700
                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 13:41 -0700
                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 13:51 -0700
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-11 17:52 -0700
                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 11:04 +0000
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-12 06:26 -0700
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 13:39 +0000
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-12 11:27 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 01:55 +0000
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 04:47 -0700
                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:07 +0000
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 05:30 -0700
                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 06:13 -0700
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 14:43 +0000
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 22:17 -0700
                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:02 +0000
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 22:32 -0700
                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 12:58 +0000
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 16:57 +0000
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 10:08 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-12 15:08 +0000
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 08:22 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 17:08 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:22 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:27 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:31 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 18:36 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:34 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:37 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-09 16:59 +0200
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 08:31 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 08:37 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:28 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:38 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 09:26 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 09:40 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 18:36 +0000
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 15:24 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 07:28 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-11 16:33 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-11 10:50 -0400
                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 08:48 -0700
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 08:55 -0700
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 08:58 -0700
                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 09:41 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 09:43 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 16:52 +0000
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 10:02 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 17:08 +0000
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 10:12 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 12:32 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:37 +0000
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 12:53 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 22:09 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 12:28 -0700
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:30 +0000
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 12:40 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:46 +0000
                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-11 14:07 -0400
                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 12:39 -0700
                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-11 18:56 -0400
                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 08:57 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-12 09:02 -0700
                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 09:30 -0700
                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 09:50 -0700
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-12 18:55 +0200
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 10:05 -0700
                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 10:22 -0700
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 16:34 -0700
                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 08:21 -0700
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-13 18:00 +0200
                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:09 +0000
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 09:05 -0700
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 09:09 -0700
                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-12 10:19 -0700
                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 14:27 -0700
                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-12 15:13 -0700
                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-12 21:24 -0700
                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 09:23 +0000
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 09:29 +0000
                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 07:46 -0700
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-13 15:14 +0000
                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 09:44 -0700
                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 09:59 -0700
                                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 14:11 -0700
                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:08 -0700
                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-13 19:11 +0000
                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-13 08:56 -0700
                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 09:56 -0700
                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-13 12:44 -0700
                                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 14:31 -0700
                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:13 -0700
                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-13 16:54 -0700
                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 17:19 -0700
                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 08:44 -0700
                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-14 15:51 +0000
                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-14 10:44 -0700
                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 12:41 -0700
                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 15:02 -0700
                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-14 15:37 -0700
                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 10:14 -0700
                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 10:33 -0700
                                                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 11:24 -0700
                                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-15 11:27 -0700
                                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 11:49 -0700
                                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 12:59 -0700
                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 13:23 -0700
                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 20:39 +0000
                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 20:39 +0000
                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 09:32 -0700
                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:35 -0700
                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-14 11:38 -0700
                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 13:02 -0700
                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-14 14:48 -0700
                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 15:56 -0700
                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 10:26 -0700
                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-15 10:35 -0700
                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 12:43 -0700
                                                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 13:40 -0700
                                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 22:01 +0000
                                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-15 15:53 -0700
                                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-16 13:32 -0700
                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-16 14:12 -0700
                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-16 14:31 -0700
                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:34 -0700
                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 07:42 -0700
                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 08:14 -0700
                                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 08:33 -0700
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 17:45 +0200
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 08:46 -0700
                                                                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 09:23 -0700
                                                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 09:44 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 13:05 -0700
                                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 14:46 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 09:14 -0700
                                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:27 -0700
                                                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-18 13:27 -0700
                                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-17 11:26 -0700
                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-17 20:17 -0500
                                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 09:38 -0700
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:49 -0700
                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 14:35 -0700
                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 07:52 -0700
                                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 16:21 -0700
                                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-16 13:58 -0700
                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 14:54 -0700
                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-16 15:02 -0700
                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:39 -0700
                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 08:10 -0700
                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 17:13 +0200
                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:42 +0000
                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 12:31 -0700
                                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 13:34 -0700
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:07 -0700
                                                                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-17 21:14 +0000
                                                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:49 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-18 11:55 +0000
                                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 14:20 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-18 17:34 -0400
                                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-21 06:19 +0000
                                                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-21 09:47 -0400
                                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-21 06:16 +0000
                                                                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 14:19 -0700
                                                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:47 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:57 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 09:27 -0700
                                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:53 -0700
                                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:52 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-18 21:10 -0700
                                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 20:14 -0700
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 14:13 -0700
                                                                              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 14:27 -0700
                                                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 20:13 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 10:20 -0700
                                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 12:21 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 13:53 -0700
                                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 14:57 -0700
                                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 15:13 -0700
                                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-20 10:13 -0700
                                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 14:02 -0700
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:37 -0700
                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 00:18 +0200
                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 00:37 +0200
                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 16:42 -0700
                                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-16 17:02 -0700
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 17:12 -0700
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:22 -0700
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-17 19:25 +0000
                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:32 -0700
                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:37 +0000
                                                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 18:21 -0700
                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 19:15 -0700
                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 19:26 -0700
                                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 04:32 +0200
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:30 -0700
                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:52 -0700
                                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-16 23:49 -0700
                                                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 01:28 -0700
                                                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-17 02:09 -0700
                                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 08:17 -0700
                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 15:03 -0700
                                                      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 09:59 -0700
                                                        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:11 -0700
                                                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 20:56 -0700
                                                  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-14 00:09 -0700
                                          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-13 10:16 -0700
                                            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-13 19:20 +0200
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                                    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-13 13:25 +0200
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#455105

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-08 00:58 -0700
Message-ID<e6370ffe-3735-41d1-9fdd-d1a5e0586c08@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455096
Can anyone identify ANY experiments which show that absurd belief to be true? 
> > > 
> > > Ed 

Doppler Effect, Binary Stars, Neutron Stars & Black Holes
Lectures by Walter Lewin.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=313C1zo9pyE 

So.. if Walter Lewin swings the whistle above 340 m/s, him being at the center, would not be able to hear the whistle himself. 

Because it is above the wave speed of the MEDIUM 

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#455106

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-08 01:15 -0700
Message-ID<c69b6097-ffd7-4ad8-8d5e-a8968e09a43d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455105
Can anyone identify ANY experiments which show that absurd belief to be true? 
> > > 
> > > Ed 

Doppler Effect, Binary Stars, Neutron Stars & Black Holes 
Lectures by Walter Lewin. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=313C1zo9pyE 

So.. if Walter Lewin swings the whistle above 340 m/s, him being at the center, would not be able to hear the whistle himself. 

Because it is above the wave speed of the MEDIUM 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qtIjKmNQcrqrqntB2

https://photos.app.goo.gl/43rq1TM0i2kcnq2p2

The MEDIUM of Space time acts as a Klystron 

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#455107

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-08 02:03 -0700
Message-ID<105b40b6-1b8c-4c77-ac0a-cd95693b5608@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455106
Doppler Effect, Binary Stars, Neutron Stars & Black Holes 
Lectures by Walter Lewin. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=313C1zo9pyE 

So.. if Walter Lewin swings the whistle above 340 m/s, him being at the center, would not be able to hear the whistle himself. 

Because it is above the wave speed of the MEDIUM 

(343 (m / s)) / (1 - (1 / tau)) = 407.922955 m / s

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#455135

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-04-08 09:23 -0700
Message-ID<47575a58-de14-45fe-b4cc-ced73ba11a9a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455096
On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 7:13:02 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> El sábado, 7 de abril de 2018, 21:06:49 (UTC-3), Paparios  escribió:
> > El sábado, 7 de abril de 2018, 20:57:02 (UTC-3), Paparios  escribió:
> > > El sábado, 7 de abril de 2018, 18:06:50 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> > > > The 4th dumbest belief in physics is “The speed of light is always measured to be the same by the emitter and all outside observers, regardless of their own velocity.”  Source: http://oldguynewissues.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-10-dumbest-ideas-in-physics.html
> > > > 
> > > > At this link http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/sr.html we can see that Ohio State University teaches the same absurd version of Einstein’s Second Postulate that most universities teach: 
> > > >  
> > > > “The speed of light in a vacuum is the same for all observers, regardless of their motion relative to the source.” 
> > > > 
> > > > Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.  All you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to catch speeders. 
> > > >  
> > > > 1. Radio pulses are emitted from the radar gun at 1.5 Ghz, which is 1.5 BILLION evenly spaced pulses per second.  Each pulse travels at c, or 299,799,458 meters per second.
> > > > 
> > > > 2. If the pulses hit a STATIONARY car, the car will be hit by 1.5 billion pulses per second.  The surface of the car will reflect back the pulses at 1.5 billion per second.
> > > > 
> > > > 3. If the pulses hit an oncoming car traveling at 100 mph, that car will encounter the radio pulses arriving at c+v, where v is the speed of the car.  The car will also be hit by 1,500,000,150 pulses per second. 
> > > >  
> > > > 4. The surface of the car will bounce the pulses back at c, but at that higher pulse rate of 1,500,000,150 pulses per second.
> > > > 
> > > > 5. When the returned pulses reach the radar gun, the gun will subtract the emitted rate of 1,500,000,000 per second from the return rate of 1,500,000,150 pulses per second and will calculate the difference to be 150 Hz.  That computes to 100 mph as the speed for the oncoming car. 
> > > > 
> > > > (If you have such a radar gun, you can also do as some do at baseball games and measure the speed of the baseballs thrown by the pitcher.  https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/the-physics-of-radar-guns/ )
> > > > 
> > > > So, the radar gun emits the 1.5 Ghz pulses at c, but the car undeniably encounters the pulses at c+v, where v is the car’s speed  We know this because the car encounters the pulses at 1.500000150 Ghz.  Is there any other way to explain the difference?
> > > > 
> > > > The fact that light is measured by moving observers to arrive at c+ or –v can be demonstrated by any experiment where evenly spaced light or radio pulses can be counted.
> > > >   
> > > > Pulsars emit evenly spaced light pulses which arrive at the earth at c+v when the earth is moving toward the pulsar during its orbit around the sun, and the light pulses arrive at c-v when the earth is moving away from the pulsar. 
> > > > 
> > > > In 1887, Vogel and Scheiner measured the same thing with regular stars along the ecliptic, using the Doppler effect to determine that when the earth is moving toward the star the light from the star arrives at c+v, and it arrives at c-v when the earth is moving away from the star.   
> > > > 
> > > > How can anyone believe that light is always measured to arrive at c by all observers regardless of their velocity toward or away from the light source????
> > > > 
> > > > Can anyone identify ANY experiments which show that absurd belief to be true?
> > > > 
> > > > Ed
> > > 
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4OnBYrbCjY
> > > 
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYt73-EshDI
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdiHmSWI2Ks
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfcG0IRuffA
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=313C1zo9pyE

I understand the Doppler effect, Paparios.  But I think there is a need to clarify exactly what is happening.  Light and radio pulses consist of PHOTONS, not waves.  That means that "frequency" has a different meaning when counting photons versus counting pulses.  Plus, THE EMITTER will measure light and radio pulses as traveling at a different rate than a receiver.  It is important to understand that motion is NOT reciprocal when there is a moving emitter and moving receiver involved.

I'll watch the videos to see if they say anything worth discussing, but if you have a point to make, you should make it in words, not by providing a link that requires me to figure out what point you are trying to make.

Ed

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#455392

Fromjgreenfield97@gmail.com
Date2018-04-09 23:37 -0700
Message-ID<81bd2336-4dd0-4609-aa58-19bedb7b8b72@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455135
On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 1:53:39 AM UTC+9:30, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 7:13:02 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> > El sábado, 7 de abril de 2018, 21:06:49 (UTC-3), Paparios  escribió:
> > > El sábado, 7 de abril de 2018, 20:57:02 (UTC-3), Paparios  escribió:
> > > > El sábado, 7 de abril de 2018, 18:06:50 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> > > > > The 4th dumbest belief in physics is “The speed of light is always measured to be the same by the emitter and all outside observers, regardless of their own velocity.”  Source: http://oldguynewissues.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-10-dumbest-ideas-in-physics.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > At this link http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/sr.html we can see that Ohio State University teaches the same absurd version of Einstein’s Second Postulate that most universities teach: 
> > > > >  
> > > > > “The speed of light in a vacuum is the same for all observers, regardless of their motion relative to the source.” 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.  All you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to catch speeders. 
> > > > >  
> > > > > 1. Radio pulses are emitted from the radar gun at 1.5 Ghz, which is 1.5 BILLION evenly spaced pulses per second.  Each pulse travels at c, or 299,799,458 meters per second.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2. If the pulses hit a STATIONARY car, the car will be hit by 1.5 billion pulses per second.  The surface of the car will reflect back the pulses at 1.5 billion per second.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 3. If the pulses hit an oncoming car traveling at 100 mph, that car will encounter the radio pulses arriving at c+v, where v is the speed of the car.  The car will also be hit by 1,500,000,150 pulses per second. 
> > > > >  
> > > > > 4. The surface of the car will bounce the pulses back at c, but at that higher pulse rate of 1,500,000,150 pulses per second.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 5. When the returned pulses reach the radar gun, the gun will subtract the emitted rate of 1,500,000,000 per second from the return rate of 1,500,000,150 pulses per second and will calculate the difference to be 150 Hz.  That computes to 100 mph as the speed for the oncoming car. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > (If you have such a radar gun, you can also do as some do at baseball games and measure the speed of the baseballs thrown by the pitcher.  https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/the-physics-of-radar-guns/ )
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, the radar gun emits the 1.5 Ghz pulses at c, but the car undeniably encounters the pulses at c+v, where v is the car’s speed  We know this because the car encounters the pulses at 1.500000150 Ghz.  Is there any other way to explain the difference?
> > > > > 
> > > > > The fact that light is measured by moving observers to arrive at c+ or –v can be demonstrated by any experiment where evenly spaced light or radio pulses can be counted.
> > > > >   
> > > > > Pulsars emit evenly spaced light pulses which arrive at the earth at c+v when the earth is moving toward the pulsar during its orbit around the sun, and the light pulses arrive at c-v when the earth is moving away from the pulsar. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In 1887, Vogel and Scheiner measured the same thing with regular stars along the ecliptic, using the Doppler effect to determine that when the earth is moving toward the star the light from the star arrives at c+v, and it arrives at c-v when the earth is moving away from the star.   
> > > > > 
> > > > > How can anyone believe that light is always measured to arrive at c by all observers regardless of their velocity toward or away from the light source????
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can anyone identify ANY experiments which show that absurd belief to be true?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ed
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4OnBYrbCjY
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYt73-EshDI
> > > 
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdiHmSWI2Ks
> > > 
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfcG0IRuffA
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=313C1zo9pyE
> 
> I understand the Doppler effect, Paparios.  But I think there is a need to clarify exactly what is happening.  Light and radio pulses consist of PHOTONS, not waves.  That means that "frequency" has a different meaning when counting photons versus counting pulses.  Plus, THE EMITTER will measure light and radio pulses as traveling at a different rate than a receiver.  It is important to understand that motion is NOT reciprocal when there is a moving emitter and moving receiver involved.
> 
> I'll watch the videos to see if they say anything worth discussing, but if you have a point to make, you should make it in words, not by providing a link that requires me to figure out what point you are trying to make.
> 
> Ed

The police radar gun explanation of (c+/-v)is fully backed by the fact that those aircraft with the radar pod need to look sideways at the target, when establishing the air (or ground) speed of said target.
Jim G

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#455425

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-04-10 09:05 -0700
Message-ID<fea3aa24-a431-464b-9e2f-dec08fecb300@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455392
On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 1:37:16 AM UTC-5, jgreen...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 1:53:39 AM UTC+9:30, Ed Lake wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 7:13:02 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> > > El sábado, 7 de abril de 2018, 21:06:49 (UTC-3), Paparios  escribió:
> > > > El sábado, 7 de abril de 2018, 20:57:02 (UTC-3), Paparios  escribió:
> > > > > El sábado, 7 de abril de 2018, 18:06:50 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> > > > > > The 4th dumbest belief in physics is “The speed of light is always measured to be the same by the emitter and all outside observers, regardless of their own velocity.”  Source: http://oldguynewissues.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-10-dumbest-ideas-in-physics.html
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > At this link http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/sr.html we can see that Ohio State University teaches the same absurd version of Einstein’s Second Postulate that most universities teach: 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > “The speed of light in a vacuum is the same for all observers, regardless of their motion relative to the source.” 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.  All you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to catch speeders. 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 1. Radio pulses are emitted from the radar gun at 1.5 Ghz, which is 1.5 BILLION evenly spaced pulses per second.  Each pulse travels at c, or 299,799,458 meters per second.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 2. If the pulses hit a STATIONARY car, the car will be hit by 1.5 billion pulses per second.  The surface of the car will reflect back the pulses at 1.5 billion per second.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 3. If the pulses hit an oncoming car traveling at 100 mph, that car will encounter the radio pulses arriving at c+v, where v is the speed of the car.  The car will also be hit by 1,500,000,150 pulses per second. 
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 4. The surface of the car will bounce the pulses back at c, but at that higher pulse rate of 1,500,000,150 pulses per second.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 5. When the returned pulses reach the radar gun, the gun will subtract the emitted rate of 1,500,000,000 per second from the return rate of 1,500,000,150 pulses per second and will calculate the difference to be 150 Hz.  That computes to 100 mph as the speed for the oncoming car. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > (If you have such a radar gun, you can also do as some do at baseball games and measure the speed of the baseballs thrown by the pitcher.  https://www.fangraphs.com/tht/the-physics-of-radar-guns/ )
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, the radar gun emits the 1.5 Ghz pulses at c, but the car undeniably encounters the pulses at c+v, where v is the car’s speed  We know this because the car encounters the pulses at 1.500000150 Ghz.  Is there any other way to explain the difference?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The fact that light is measured by moving observers to arrive at c+ or –v can be demonstrated by any experiment where evenly spaced light or radio pulses can be counted.
> > > > > >   
> > > > > > Pulsars emit evenly spaced light pulses which arrive at the earth at c+v when the earth is moving toward the pulsar during its orbit around the sun, and the light pulses arrive at c-v when the earth is moving away from the pulsar. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In 1887, Vogel and Scheiner measured the same thing with regular stars along the ecliptic, using the Doppler effect to determine that when the earth is moving toward the star the light from the star arrives at c+v, and it arrives at c-v when the earth is moving away from the star.   
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > How can anyone believe that light is always measured to arrive at c by all observers regardless of their velocity toward or away from the light source????
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Can anyone identify ANY experiments which show that absurd belief to be true?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4OnBYrbCjY
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYt73-EshDI
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdiHmSWI2Ks
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfcG0IRuffA
> > > 
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=313C1zo9pyE
> > 
> > I understand the Doppler effect, Paparios.  But I think there is a need to clarify exactly what is happening.  Light and radio pulses consist of PHOTONS, not waves.  That means that "frequency" has a different meaning when counting photons versus counting pulses.  Plus, THE EMITTER will measure light and radio pulses as traveling at a different rate than a receiver.  It is important to understand that motion is NOT reciprocal when there is a moving emitter and moving receiver involved.
> > 
> > I'll watch the videos to see if they say anything worth discussing, but if you have a point to make, you should make it in words, not by providing a link that requires me to figure out what point you are trying to make.
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> The police radar gun explanation of (c+/-v)is fully backed by the fact that those aircraft with the radar pod need to look sideways at the target, when establishing the air (or ground) speed of said target.
> Jim G

You need to clarify what you are talking about.  It might also help if you provide a link.

Ed

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#455097

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2018-04-08 11:02 +1000
Message-ID<fit81hFd3eaU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#455078
On 8/04/2018 7:06 AM, Ed Lake wrote:

> Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.  All
> you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to catch
> speeders.

Your thought experiment contains within it the assumption that light 
does not move at the same velocity for all observers. So you're assuming 
what you're trying to prove.

Try reformulating the experiment without that assumption, and see how 
far you get.

Sylvia.

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#455100

Frombenj <benj@nobody.net>
Date2018-04-07 22:46 -0400
Message-ID<DofyC.10382$rz2.9311@fx08.iad>
In reply to#455097
On 4/7/2018 9:02 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 8/04/2018 7:06 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> 
>> Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.  All
>> you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to catch
>> speeders.
> 
> Your thought experiment contains within it the assumption that light 
> does not move at the same velocity for all observers. So you're assuming 
> what you're trying to prove.
> 
> Try reformulating the experiment without that assumption, and see how 
> far you get.
> 
> Sylvia.

Or he might try reformulating his radar gun explanation the way it 
really works instead of his "kensi" level journalist understanding.

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#455138

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-04-08 09:31 -0700
Message-ID<208369b8-d24a-4229-b609-47977eb88c0e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455100
On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 9:47:01 PM UTC-5, benj wrote:
> On 4/7/2018 9:02 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > On 8/04/2018 7:06 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> > 
> >> Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.  All
> >> you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to catch
> >> speeders.
> > 
> > Your thought experiment contains within it the assumption that light 
> > does not move at the same velocity for all observers. So you're assuming 
> > what you're trying to prove.
> > 
> > Try reformulating the experiment without that assumption, and see how 
> > far you get.
> > 
> > Sylvia.
> 
> Or he might try reformulating his radar gun explanation the way it 
> really works instead of his "kensi" level journalist understanding.

Why don't you explain how it really works?  Ah, yes, of course.  Mathematician can only discuss mathematics, they cannot explain how ANYTHING really works.

Ed

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#455142

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-08 09:37 -0700
Message-ID<0e6f7d8d-f737-4a40-84fe-cde9eb55216a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455138
EdTard prophesied 

Why don't you explain how it really works?  Ah, yes, of course.  Mathematician can only discuss mathematics, they cannot explain how ANYTHING really works. 

Ed 

Everyone has done so repeatedly 

But you are a dog that always returns to eating it’s comit

Pearls before Swine ..........

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#455104

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-04-07 22:27 -0700
Message-ID<70c03229-659b-485b-9541-2b336d69e05e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455097
On Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:02:44 UTC+2, Sylvia Else  wrote:
> On 8/04/2018 7:06 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> 
> > Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.  All
> > you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to catch
> > speeders.
> 
> Your thought experiment contains within it the assumption that light 
> does not move at the same velocity for all observers. So you're assuming 
> what you're trying to prove.

So You are.

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#455136

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-04-08 09:28 -0700
Message-ID<cd1c8691-b93d-4fa5-aa90-669364d36fcf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455097
On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 8:02:44 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 8/04/2018 7:06 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> 
> > Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.  All
> > you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to catch
> > speeders.
> 
> Your thought experiment contains within it the assumption that light 
> does not move at the same velocity for all observers. So you're assuming 
> what you're trying to prove.
> 
> Try reformulating the experiment without that assumption, and see how 
> far you get.
> 
> Sylvia.

If I am stationary and shoot pulses toward and oncoming baseball, and those pulses come back showing the baseball is traveling toward me at 60 mph, what assumption am I making?  That the earth is not moving under me at 60 mph away from a stationary ball that is inexplicably hovering motionless in the air?  

Ed

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#455139

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-08 09:33 -0700
Message-ID<01f69f35-ddfc-4e93-804d-4180107758f1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455136
Sylvia Else wrote 

On 8/04/2018 7:06 AM, Ed Lake wrote: 

> Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.  All 
> you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to catch 
> speeders. 

Your thought experiment contains within it the assumption that light  does not move at the same velocity for all observers. 

So you're assuming  what you're trying to prove. 


And .....

What you are implying without knowing it is.... the speed of light is random like a bunch of individual Bullets flying around at different velocities. 

This would fog out all the stars. 

We would would only be able to see clearly for a very shot distance & the sun would be just a foggy glow from a general direction. 

And Causality itself would have no meaning. 

Reality would not exist 

You never get beyond using Newton’s Second Law ..... for EVERYTHING 



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#455204

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2018-04-09 12:13 +1000
Message-ID<fj00hhF15jjU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#455136
On 9/04/2018 2:28 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 8:02:44 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 8/04/2018 7:06 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
>> 
>>> Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.
>>> All you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to
>>> catch speeders.
>> 
>> Your thought experiment contains within it the assumption that
>> light does not move at the same velocity for all observers. So
>> you're assuming what you're trying to prove.
>> 
>> Try reformulating the experiment without that assumption, and see
>> how far you get.
>> 
>> Sylvia.
> 
> If I am stationary and shoot pulses toward and oncoming baseball, and
> those pulses come back showing the baseball is traveling toward me at
> 60 mph, what assumption am I making?  That the earth is not moving
> under me at 60 mph away from a stationary ball that is inexplicably
> hovering motionless in the air?

That's fine as far as it goes, but your extrapolation to what the 
baseball sees requires assumptions about the speed of light relative to 
the baseball.

Sylvia.

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#455246

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-04-09 07:37 -0700
Message-ID<eeac929d-0095-4abe-ac2b-64a6ede34704@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455204
On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 9:13:07 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 9/04/2018 2:28 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 8:02:44 PM UTC-5, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> On 8/04/2018 7:06 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Yet, anyone can demonstrate BY EXPERIMENT that that is NOT TRUE.
> >>> All you need to understand is how a police radar gun is used to
> >>> catch speeders.
> >> 
> >> Your thought experiment contains within it the assumption that
> >> light does not move at the same velocity for all observers. So
> >> you're assuming what you're trying to prove.
> >> 
> >> Try reformulating the experiment without that assumption, and see
> >> how far you get.
> >> 
> >> Sylvia.
> > 
> > If I am stationary and shoot pulses toward and oncoming baseball, and
> > those pulses come back showing the baseball is traveling toward me at
> > 60 mph, what assumption am I making?  That the earth is not moving
> > under me at 60 mph away from a stationary ball that is inexplicably
> > hovering motionless in the air?
> 
> That's fine as far as it goes, but your extrapolation to what the 
> baseball sees requires assumptions about the speed of light relative to 
> the baseball.
> 
> Sylvia.

Okay, but if you work things out logically, the solution isn't really an "assumption," it's a "conclusion."  Then please answer this question:

The radar gun emits pulses at a frequency of 1,500,000,000 Hz.  The pulses that come back from the speeding car are at a frequency of 1,500,000,150 Hz.

The baseball problem is similar, except that the pulses that come back from the baseball are at a frequency of say 1,500,000,120 Hz.

The question: What do you conclude PHYSICALLY happened to cause the pulses to return at a higher frequency than the frequency at which they were emitted?

Ed 

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#455249

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-04-09 07:41 -0700
Message-ID<f99d0744-a0ab-4005-bcd7-f11c0b9c8d25@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455246
Eduardo Del Lago prophesied 

The question: What do you conclude PHYSICALLY happened to cause the pulses to return at a higher frequency than the frequency at which they were emitted?

It’s Speed relative to the MEDIUM....



http://vixra.org/pdf/1804.0120v1.pdf

(planck length)/((2.99792458e-36 m)) / phi^(7/2) = 1.00051886735

Planck Length = 1.6153902e-35

2 * 5^2 * 7 * 23 * 73 * 293339 / 54870469331 = pi ....... Fractal ​

https://goo.gl/KPwJJr

2 * 7 * 73 * 293339 = the speed of light ...... Fractal ​

https://goo.gl/8xaFdZ 


(67 log(10))/log(299792458/6.52477625 ^(1/8)) = 8

(67 log(10))*log(299792458/6.52477625 ^(1/8)) = e^8 = ​2975.0275772484

e^8 = 2980.957987041

https://goo.gl/y4MNe3

6.52477625 = Planck Momentum

( 2 * 5^2 * 7 * 23 * 73 * 293339 / 54870469331)*3^3/13 = 6.52484628056 

1/(hbar*planck length*(6.52799351 kg m/s)*1e67)/2.99792458^2 = 1

1 / ((hbar * planck length * (6.52799351 ((kg m) / s)) * 8.98755178737e67)^0.5) = 1 m-​ 2​ kg-​ 1​ s 

(2 * 5)^67 = Phi Golden Triangle

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#455288

FromPaparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl>
Date2018-04-09 12:59 -0700
Message-ID<c09348ef-bc2d-4b6b-9f6a-8f322d3bd056@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455246
El lunes, 9 de abril de 2018, 11:37:30 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:

> 
> The question: What do you conclude PHYSICALLY happened to cause the pulses to return at a higher frequency than the frequency at which they were emitted?
> 
> Ed

You seriously have some problems in understanding basic physics:

1) The laser gun emits light pulses at a certain rate (pulses per second) which
depart from the gun at a speed very close to c (we will assume the pulse
propagation speed is c). The first laser pulse reaches the car at a certain
location (say at 500 meters from the gun) and some of the photons of the pulse
are reflected back to the laser gun. Notice that, when the second pulse reaches
the car, the car has already moved closer to the gun location (now it is at 470
meters from the gun). Therefore, the reflected pulse rate, logically, increases with respect to the receiving rate.

2)This increase on the frequency of the reflected pulses is the direct result of
the "closing speed" between the car and the laser gun, which is c+v. This
closing speed is not the speed of light, nor the speed of the car and nor the
speed of the laser gun. The light pulses are moving at c before reaching the car
and still moving at c after being reflected by the car, but the frequency of the
pulses has now increased (this is the Doppler effect which are clearly shown in
the provided videos and where professor Lewin makes a very good effort in
showing how this effect occurs).

3) It is obvious that neither the movement of the laser gun nor the movement of
the car, can have any effect on the value of the speed of the ligth pulses
(bunch of photons) which is c at either case.

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#455290

FromGaston Levell <jno@itwjwg.tn>
Date2018-04-09 20:05 +0000
Message-ID<pagh2d$1fvb$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#455288
Paparios wrote:

> 1) The laser gun emits light pulses at a certain rate (pulses per
> second) which depart from the gun at a speed very close to c (we will
> assume the pulse propagation speed is c). 

1st error. You don't have to assume. Laws of Nature are not assumptions.

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#455298

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-04-09 14:20 -0700
Message-ID<9df66621-4ebc-4265-b4bc-50764a1dd6d0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#455288
On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 3:00:00 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> El lunes, 9 de abril de 2018, 11:37:30 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> 
> > 
> > The question: What do you conclude PHYSICALLY happened to cause the pulses to return at a higher frequency than the frequency at which they were emitted?
> > 
> > Ed
> 
> You seriously have some problems in understanding basic physics:
> 
> 1) The laser gun emits light pulses at a certain rate (pulses per second) which
> depart from the gun at a speed very close to c (we will assume the pulse
> propagation speed is c). The first laser pulse reaches the car at a certain
> location (say at 500 meters from the gun) and some of the photons of the pulse
> are reflected back to the laser gun. Notice that, when the second pulse reaches
> the car, the car has already moved closer to the gun location (now it is at 470
> meters from the gun). Therefore, the reflected pulse rate, logically, increases with respect to the receiving rate.
> 
> 2)This increase on the frequency of the reflected pulses is the direct result of
> the "closing speed" between the car and the laser gun, which is c+v. This
> closing speed is not the speed of light, nor the speed of the car and nor the
> speed of the laser gun. The light pulses are moving at c before reaching the car
> and still moving at c after being reflected by the car, but the frequency of the
> pulses has now increased (this is the Doppler effect which are clearly shown in
> the provided videos and where professor Lewin makes a very good effort in
> showing how this effect occurs).
> 
> 3) It is obvious that neither the movement of the laser gun nor the movement of
> the car, can have any effect on the value of the speed of the ligth pulses
> (bunch of photons) which is c at either case.

Okay.  I should have constructed a better question where the WAVELENGTH of light photons is used to determine speed of arrival, not the frequency of light pulses.

Ed

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#455351

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2018-04-10 12:29 +1000
Message-ID<fj2lt5FjhaeU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#455298
On 10/04/2018 7:20 AM, Ed Lake wrote:
> On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 3:00:00 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
>> El lunes, 9 de abril de 2018, 11:37:30 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
>>
>>>
>>> The question: What do you conclude PHYSICALLY happened to cause the pulses to return at a higher frequency than the frequency at which they were emitted?
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> You seriously have some problems in understanding basic physics:
>>
>> 1) The laser gun emits light pulses at a certain rate (pulses per second) which
>> depart from the gun at a speed very close to c (we will assume the pulse
>> propagation speed is c). The first laser pulse reaches the car at a certain
>> location (say at 500 meters from the gun) and some of the photons of the pulse
>> are reflected back to the laser gun. Notice that, when the second pulse reaches
>> the car, the car has already moved closer to the gun location (now it is at 470
>> meters from the gun). Therefore, the reflected pulse rate, logically, increases with respect to the receiving rate.
>>
>> 2)This increase on the frequency of the reflected pulses is the direct result of
>> the "closing speed" between the car and the laser gun, which is c+v. This
>> closing speed is not the speed of light, nor the speed of the car and nor the
>> speed of the laser gun. The light pulses are moving at c before reaching the car
>> and still moving at c after being reflected by the car, but the frequency of the
>> pulses has now increased (this is the Doppler effect which are clearly shown in
>> the provided videos and where professor Lewin makes a very good effort in
>> showing how this effect occurs).
>>
>> 3) It is obvious that neither the movement of the laser gun nor the movement of
>> the car, can have any effect on the value of the speed of the ligth pulses
>> (bunch of photons) which is c at either case.
> 
> Okay.  I should have constructed a better question where the WAVELENGTH of light photons is used to determine speed of arrival, not the frequency of light pulses.
> 
> Ed
> 
OK. So we'll wait until you've done that.

Sylvia.

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