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Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity

Started byEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
First post2018-02-28 08:32 -0800
Last post2018-03-16 10:47 +0000
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  Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 08:32 -0800
    Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 09:22 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:26 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 09:37 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:48 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 10:01 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 11:56 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 21:00 +0100
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:14 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 13:27 +0100
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ický Bezdrátovì <ikbe@wmkfre.np> - 2018-03-02 12:34 +0000
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-02 05:59 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:47 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-02 00:05 +0100
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:26 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:42 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 09:50 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:55 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 10:05 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:06 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:22 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:00 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:23 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 14:16 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:21 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:30 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:44 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:56 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-02-28 19:25 +0000
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 10:48 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:13 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 13:58 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 14:02 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 15:31 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 07:49 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-01 10:00 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 13:30 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-28 12:36 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-02-28 21:33 +0100
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:07 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:17 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 21:42 +0100
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:23 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:34 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:43 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 14:11 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 07:40 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-01 11:26 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 13:59 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 14:08 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 15:09 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 17:16 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:16 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-01 14:47 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 08:55 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-02 09:43 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:19 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-02 18:01 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:32 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-03 09:55 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:06 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:21 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-03 11:36 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 18:45 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 06:49 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 13:26 +0100
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:31 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-02-28 18:48 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 13:40 +0100
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-01 17:26 +0100
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 20:26 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-01 21:44 +0100
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 11:44 +0100
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-02 13:28 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-01 13:18 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-02 00:08 +0100
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:38 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-01 17:42 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-01 09:13 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 09:10 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:31 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:55 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 14:24 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:01 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:01 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 08:48 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 10:30 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:36 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 13:57 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 14:21 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:41 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-02 15:58 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 08:57 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 09:10 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-03-03 12:18 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 15:08 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:12 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-03-05 09:15 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 10:09 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:32 +0000
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:43 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:47 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 11:15 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 20:21 +0000
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 12:29 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 22:54 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 10:51 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 19:00 +0000
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:10 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:41 +0000
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:48 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:56 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:47 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 15:50 +0000
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:51 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 23:19 +0000
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 13:20 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:23 +0000
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:39 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:38 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 10:02 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 13:24 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:34 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:56 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 21:19 +0000
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:56 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:21 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:06 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:27 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:37 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:53 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:16 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 14:47 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:46 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:54 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 15:01 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:32 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:53 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:56 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:43 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-05 10:31 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 23:34 +0000
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:49 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-02 16:22 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 16:45 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 08:02 +0100
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 14:07 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 14:17 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 14:30 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:03 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-02 23:07 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 08:27 +0100
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 04:36 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-03 05:21 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 14:29 +0100
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 05:50 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-04 18:16 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 05:55 +0100
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:36 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 15:17 +0100
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:21 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 18:27 +0100
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:59 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 08:50 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-03 08:56 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:44 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:10 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 09:44 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:14 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:47 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 13:59 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 14:38 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:32 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:32 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 14:15 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 22:27 +0000
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:46 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:34 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 09:40 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:56 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:53 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:14 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 10:09 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:17 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 01:53 +0000
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 13:28 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:18 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:07 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:32 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:02 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:08 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:42 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:01 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-06 09:19 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 22:27 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 20:06 +0000
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:30 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 11:02 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 13:29 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 23:23 +0100
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:26 +0100
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 01:53 +0000
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:07 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 21:45 +0000
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 13:54 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 14:05 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:31 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:01 +0100
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 10:06 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 14:07 +0100
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 05:39 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:42 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-04 11:44 +0100
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:32 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:09 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:14 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:55 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 08:52 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 09:29 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 20:19 +0100
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 20:37 +0100
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 06:50 +0000
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 06:37 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-07 11:08 +0100
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 05:14 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-07 15:13 +0100
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 07:25 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 07:46 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-07 17:31 +0100
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:12 +0000
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-08 21:26 +0100
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 12:34 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 04:17 +0100
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 04:52 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 11:24 +0100
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 11:21 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-09 10:31 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 02:59 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 14:47 +0100
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 15:49 +0100
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 18:36 +0100
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 09:53 +0000
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 02:28 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-08 21:41 +0100
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 00:22 +0000
                              Just more BULL SHIT eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 06:50 +0000
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-01 15:07 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:17 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-02 09:49 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:09 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 13:21 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-03 09:49 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-03 10:05 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-04 16:56 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-04 17:38 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 07:03 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 07:54 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 14:36 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:47 +0000
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 15:07 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 23:14 +0000
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:53 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 11:25 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 20:59 +0000
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 14:18 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:33 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 20:55 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:22 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 07:44 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:00 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:58 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:04 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:39 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-08 07:05 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 15:49 +0000
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:53 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:50 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 18:02 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 07:05 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 12:05 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:25 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:25 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:22 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:43 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-02-28 22:16 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:17 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-01 11:32 +1100
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:12 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-02 09:04 +1100
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 15:02 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-02 11:43 +1100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:12 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 18:45 +0000
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-02 22:31 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:39 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 11:30 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:20 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 20:48 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 10:42 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 11:05 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:22 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 16:29 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 10:40 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 11:12 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 17:47 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 22:35 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-04 11:43 +1100
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-03-03 21:13 -0500
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 20:49 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 10:41 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:13 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:19 +0100
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 12:48 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 20:55 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 14:21 +0100
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 14:26 +0100
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:51 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 20:44 +0100
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:47 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-04 11:40 +1100
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 10:31 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-05 08:28 +1100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:47 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 08:54 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 18:05 +0100
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-06 11:24 +1100
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 13:08 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:07 +0000
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-07 13:11 +1100
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:30 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 09:10 +1100
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 14:25 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 21:11 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-08 06:26 +0100
                                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 23:12 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-07 17:17 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:06 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-08 11:21 -0800
                                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 13:49 -0800
                                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-08 15:38 -0800
                                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-09 10:56 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 15:07 +1100
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:10 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-09 11:49 +1100
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:01 +0000
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 19:48 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 20:12 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 20:14 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 12:21 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 12:27 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-04 12:30 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 13:03 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:08 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 08:14 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:22 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 08:34 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 09:53 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:05 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:13 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:43 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 07:42 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 16:46 +0100
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:02 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 07:58 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:10 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:22 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:35 +0000
                                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:40 +0000
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 15:43 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:01 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 16:10 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:18 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:26 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:34 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:50 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 10:15 -0800
                                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:09 -0800
                                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:11 -0800
                                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 14:08 -0800
                                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 23:18 +0100
                                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 14:47 -0800
                                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
                                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:29 -0800
                                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 08:25 -0800
                                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-08 17:32 +0100
                                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 18:36 +0000
                                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:01 +0000
                                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:30 -0800
                                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:02 -0800
                                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:05 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-07 19:09 +0100
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:31 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:42 +0100
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 20:49 -0600
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:51 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-04 11:26 +0100
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:27 +0000
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:16 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 08:43 +0000
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-11 06:54 -0700
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 07:14 -0700
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-05 17:11 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:08 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 21:21 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:33 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:18 +0000
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:23 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:56 +0000
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:01 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:09 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:34 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:45 +0000
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 11:11 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-05 21:20 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-05 22:55 +0100
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 09:38 +0100
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-06 11:06 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:15 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 09:26 +0100
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 12:35 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:17 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:28 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-01 21:28 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-01 09:45 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 18:29 -0600
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:58 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 10:23 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:18 -0600
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:33 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 11:05 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:04 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:41 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:49 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:07 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:29 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 07:33 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:58 +0000
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:31 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-07 13:41 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:06 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:58 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-05 14:00 -0600
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:25 +0000
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 08:40 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 12:30 -0600
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 19:06 +0000
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 19:10 +0000
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:22 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 20:43 -0600
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:41 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:55 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:50 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:00 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-07 16:55 -0600
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 08:32 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 08:41 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:24 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:11 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-08 23:04 +0100
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 21:32 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 21:31 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-09 06:33 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 22:33 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-09 10:41 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 23:02 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 12:27 +0000
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 04:36 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 15:00 +0000
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 08:41 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 18:35 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 10:44 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 19:30 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 18:36 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-09 11:17 -0600
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 09:32 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-10 09:59 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-10 23:44 -0600
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:06 +0000
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:29 +0000
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:09 +0000
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:07 +0100
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:42 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:12 +0000
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-05 17:19 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-06 18:47 +1100
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:12 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:24 +0100
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-05 16:28 -0600
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:46 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:52 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-06 23:25 +0100
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:36 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:46 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:45 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:54 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 19:33 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:11 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:44 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:57 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:39 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:08 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:24 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:14 +0000
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 13:14 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 12:53 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 23:16 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:48 +0000
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:58 +0000
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 13:01 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:53 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 22:39 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 22:57 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:55 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 00:17 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 09:25 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 10:48 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 10:49 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 11:08 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-08 19:39 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 15:16 +1100
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 20:42 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-07 13:13 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-16 10:47 +0000

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#451648

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-05 17:24 -0800
Message-ID<610d2ae7-6800-411c-8ccd-d995177146df@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451005
On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:33:00 AM UTC-8, Ed Lake wrote:
> A couple weeks ago, I tried to get Tom Roberts to explain why he believes the Hafele-Keating experiments do not show that clocks tick at different rates in different reference frames.  His entire explanation was:
> 
>     Hafele and Keating compared ELAPSED PROPER TIMES of clocks, not clock rates.
> 
> How is comparing "elapsed proper times" different from comparing "clock rates"?

Very. Elapsed proper time is a time accumulated by a single clock.
Clock rate involves comparing readings on two clocks at a distance.

The former is an invariant. The latter is coordinate-dependent.

> There's no point in asking Tom Roberts, since he seems unable to explain anything.

You are asking Tom to "explain" fluent German to you in under an hour.
This cannot be done, it's not his "fault".

--
Jan

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#451682

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-06 14:14 +0000
Message-ID<p7m7ok$jpl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#451648
JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:33:00 AM UTC-8, Ed Lake wrote:
>> A couple weeks ago, I tried to get Tom Roberts to explain why he
>> believes the Hafele-Keating experiments do not show that clocks tick at
>> different rates in different reference frames.  His entire explanation was:
>> 
>> Hafele and Keating compared ELAPSED PROPER TIMES of clocks, not clock rates.
>> 
>> How is comparing "elapsed proper times" different from comparing "clock rates"?
> 
> Very. Elapsed proper time is a time accumulated by a single clock.
> Clock rate involves comparing readings on two clocks at a distance.
> 
> The former is an invariant. The latter is coordinate-dependent.
> 
>> There's no point in asking Tom Roberts, since he seems unable to explain anything.
> 
> You are asking Tom to "explain" fluent German to you in under an hour.
> This cannot be done, it's not his "fault".
> 
> --
> Jan
> 

There is a chain of self-serving delusion here that goes something like
this:
1. I am interested in physics, and therefore that should be sufficient for
me to study it with some depth, from the level I presently have. 
2. It should be possible to explain the essence of physics ideas in plain
language and without additional prerequisites like mathematics. The way I
can express this desire is by saying physics is fundamentally about logic,
not math. 
3. There are lots of articles in popular magazines and newspapers and web
pages that are targeted for the untrained audience, which underscores my
faith in (1) and (2).
4. If a popular articles uses a term like “reference frame” or “relative
speed”, then I should not have to presume that those terms are jargon that
needs to be learned, but instead I should be able to rely on my instincts
as a native English speaker about what those terms mean. 
5. Since math is secondary to physics and explains nothing and is only for
the purpose of detailed comparison with measurement, which I’m not
interested in, then I should be able to just read any book on physics, just
skip over the math-laden sections, and still get all the important meat
from what remains. 
6. Anyone who disputes anything from (1) - (5) above is attempting to be
exclusionary and to keep physics involvement away from those who are
interested but untrained in the customary manner, and that is a biased
stance based on opinion alone and can be dismissed. 

Ed Lake is well practiced in this pattern of self-delusion. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#451735

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-03-06 13:14 -0800
Message-ID<1d820d03-c3c0-45fa-a86b-643d2f1eb8f4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451648
On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 7:24:16 PM UTC-6, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:33:00 AM UTC-8, Ed Lake wrote:
> > A couple weeks ago, I tried to get Tom Roberts to explain why he believes the Hafele-Keating experiments do not show that clocks tick at different rates in different reference frames.  His entire explanation was:
> > 
> >     Hafele and Keating compared ELAPSED PROPER TIMES of clocks, not clock rates.
> > 
> > How is comparing "elapsed proper times" different from comparing "clock rates"?
> 
> Very. Elapsed proper time is a time accumulated by a single clock.

Okay.  But the the discussion was about the Hafele-Keating experiment.

> Clock rate involves comparing readings on two clocks at a distance.

Not so.  The Hafele-Keating experiment had 5 clocks all together at the start of the first experiment.  They then flew 4 of the clocks around the world.  Then they brought all 5 clocks together again and compared them.  They compared NOTHING "at a distance."

Ed

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#451728

Fromnumbernumber1964@gmail.com
Date2018-03-06 12:53 -0800
Message-ID<5034371d-ad2f-4118-991c-48589254a1bf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451005
If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some clocks will be. 
moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than I am, and I should find. 
that those clocks tick more quickly than mine does. That effect is. 
noticeably absent.. 

Sylvia.. 

____________________________________________

First, the stars of the stellar universe are stationary.,.. since stars depicted in... stellar maps 300 years old have not changed positions.,. The constellations... that form the stellar universe have not change shapes since. the advent of.. photography.,. Astronomers 300 years ago were extremely.. accurate in depicting the. positions of stars cannot say must for modern astronomers... .Next, to answer. the above post--,---..the Hubble proves that none of the stars of the. stellar universe intensity varies for a time interval of 364... days beginning at 12:00 am. The variation of the intensity of a star is caused by the..,.. earth daily and earthly motions or the tilt of the earth on it's axis.., ..In addition, for the earth based telescope producing an intensity.,.. variation of a star is caused by the earth's atmosphere. Plus, the maximum.,... distance that can be resolved using the Hubble is .053 ly. When modern..,.. astronomers state the distance to. a star is more than .053 ly is pure fiction.,..

________________________________________


To Python the Mouse.. 



https://www.kqed.org/quest/41313/do-constellations-change-over-time ... ..... 

_________________________________________________________ .


"it's easy to imagine. why those ancients saw pretty much the same ..constellations we see today.". ..

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#451792

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-06 23:16 -0800
Message-ID<79d35e65-a2b3-4cf5-a5f6-1dd00b7c7586@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451005
On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:33:00 AM UTC-8, Ed Lake wrote:

> How is comparing "elapsed proper times" different from comparing
> "clock rates"?

Anyone with a couple of neurons would be able to understand that any clock accumulates its local tick rate thus measuring local time.  However, the later usurpers of GR (self-styled physicists from the 1950’s and 1960’s) were terribly confused with the implications to the mathematics involved and devised (aka manufactured) this proper time thing to handwave inconsistencies away.  Thus, only proper idiots believe in proper time.  <shrug>

> since the moved clocks showed a different amount of time had passed,
> that means they ticked at different RATES because time moved at
> different RATES for the traveling clocks.

Yes, anyone with a couple neurons should be able to deduce as so.  <shrug>

> But, Tom Roberts endlessly argues that high-speed movement does NOT
> cause clocks to tick at different rates nor does it cause TIME to
> move at different rates, nor does the distance from a gravitational
> source result in different rates, and he believes that applies to
> the Hafele-Keating clocks.

Tom is an idiot who has bet his farm on an assumption with more assumptions to what this very assumption implies.  Tom does not behave like a scientist but a zealous religious nut who embraces mysticism.  <shrug>

Note:  Science follows the scientific method of reasoning, but mysticism assumes a belief as a mandate of truth that nothing can challenge its status, and everything else is explained away based on this mysticism.  <shrug>

Homework:  Identify what this assumption that Tom has bet his farm on and the foliage of more assumptions on this assumption.  <shrug>

> a second is defined as "The duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the
> radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine
> levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom." 

The Cs atomic clock is highly dependent on the temperature and the local speed of light in vacuum.  Today, there have been no experiments that have shown the speed of light is measured to be the same at any frame of reference after understanding the speed of light can be measured differently.  This is saying to calibrate the speed of light based on independent parameters.  <shrug>

> the tick RATE is different at the top of a mountain than at the
> bottom of a mountain, and it is different if you are traveling
> versus being stationary.

The mathematics showing so is the following.  <shrug>

**  dσ² = g c² dt² - ds²

Or

**  C dτ = c dt √(g - β²)

Where

**  g = 1 – 2 GM/c² / r, to the first order
**  β c = ds/dt
**  ds² = dr² / g + dθ²
**  dσ² = C² dτ²
**  c = observer’s own local value of the speed of light
**  C = speed of light at the remote observed location
**  dt = time tick rate at the observer’s local location
**  dτ = time tick rate at the remote observed location

The religion of GR just assumes (C = c), and the above equation becomes the following showing the mechanism of time dilation.  <shrug>

**  dτ = dt √(g - β²)

However, the other extreme is to assume no time dilation, and the equation becomes the following where (dτ = dt).

**  C = c √(g - β²)

Since the Cs atomic clock depends on its local value of the speed of light, both equations above explain the same phenomenon.  <shrug>

> Relativity is about clock tick RATES, not clock tick COUNTS.

Right on, Ed.  Einstein dingleberries please take note.  <shrug>

> Laws of physics are the same in different frames.

This must be a universal axiom, or else there is no science.  With that said, if one finds this axiom seems to break down, the only explanation is that the laws of physics known so far are not complete.  Thus, it is fvcking stupid to hide behind this axiom and brag about how thorough one’s understanding of physics is.  <shrug>

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#451839

FromErnie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc>
Date2018-03-07 17:48 +0000
Message-ID<p7p8lq$1k5j$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#451792
Koobee Wublee wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:33:00 AM UTC-8, Ed Lake wrote:
> 
>> How is comparing "elapsed proper times" different from comparing "clock
>> rates"?
> 
> Anyone with a couple of neurons would be able to understand that any
> clock accumulates its local tick rate thus measuring local time. 
> However, the later usurpers of GR (self-styled physicists from the
> 1950’s and 1960’s)
> were terribly confused with the implications to the mathematics involved
> and devised (aka manufactured) this proper time thing to handwave
> inconsistencies away.  Thus, only proper idiots believe in proper time.
> <shrug>

Yes, I totally believe in that. Here is an ideal clock signal

 _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _

Locally cannot become shorter (the period of the potential). However, non-
locally (and positive spacetime curvature) usually, for the travelling 
twin, it may become larger

  __  __  __  __  __
__  __  __  __  __

I hope this elucidates the clocking concern, in relativity. People dont 
understand what a clock is.

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#451842

FromErnie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc>
Date2018-03-07 17:58 +0000
Message-ID<p7p97a$1m7h$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#451839
Ernie Shackelford wrote:

>> Anyone with a couple of neurons would be able to understand that any
>> clock accumulates its local tick rate thus measuring local time.
>> However, the later usurpers of GR (self-styled physicists from the
>> 1950’s and 1960’s)
>> were terribly confused with the implications to the mathematics
>> involved and devised (aka manufactured) this proper time thing to
>> handwave inconsistencies away.  Thus, only proper idiots believe in
>> proper time. <shrug>
> 
> Yes, I totally believe in that. Here is an ideal clock signal
> 
>  _ _ _ _ _
> _ _ _ _ _
> 
> Locally cannot become shorter (the period of the potential). However,
> non-
> locally (and positive spacetime curvature) usually, for the travelling
> twin, it may become larger
> 
>   __  __  __  __  __
> __  __  __  __  __
> 
> I hope this elucidates the clocking concern, in relativity. People dont
> understand what a clock is.

It just came to me that I'm about a bigger truth in here. It must be 
because the motion, 1st and 2nd order, are affecting the potential 
directly, along the path through the space, implicit time, by sort of 
friction with a yet to be defined existent entity. I'm just guessing here, 
of course.

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#451866

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-07 13:01 -0800
Message-ID<a6b9ae71-a78a-47e9-92b8-f7288fba9697@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451792
On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 11:16:10 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:33:00 AM UTC-8, Ed Lake wrote:
> 
> > How is comparing "elapsed proper times" different from comparing
> > "clock rates"?
> 
> Anyone with a couple of neurons would be able to understand that any clock accumulates its local tick rate thus measuring local time.  However, the later usurpers of GR

There are no "later usurpers of GR".

> (self-styled physicists from the 1950’s and 1960’s)

There are no "self-styled physicists from the 1950’s and 1960’s.

> were terribly confused

Nobody is "confused" except you. Stops projecting your own problems on others.

> with the implications to the mathematics involved and devised (aka manufactured) this proper time thing to handwave inconsistencies away.

What inconsistencies?

> Thus, only proper idiots believe in proper time.  <shrug>

Not even wrong, junk.

--
Jan

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#451913

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-07 16:53 -0800
Message-ID<38832073-8d41-4e80-b11e-f232dedc91f1@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451866
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:01:54 PM UTC-8, JanPB wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 11:16:10 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > The Cs atomic clock is highly dependent on the temperature and the
> > local speed of light in vacuum.  Today, there have been no
> > experiments that have shown the speed of light is measured to be
> > the same at any frame of reference after understanding the speed
> > of light can be measured differently.  This is saying to calibrate
> > the speed of light based on independent parameters.  The
> > mathematics showing so is the following.  <shrug>
>
> > **  dσ² = g c² dt² - ds²
>
> > Or
>
> > **  C dτ = c dt √(g - β²)
>
> > Where
>
> > **  g = 1 – 2 GM/c² / r, to the first order
> > **  β c = ds/dt
> > **  ds² = dr² / g + dθ²
> > **  dσ² = C² dτ²
> > **  c = observer’s own local value of the speed of light
> > **  C = speed of light at the remote observed location
> > **  dt = time tick rate at the observer’s local location
> > **  dτ = time tick rate at the remote observed location
>
> > The religion of GR just assumes (C = c), and the above equation
> > becomes the following showing the mechanism of time dilation.
> >  <shrug>
>
> > **  dτ = dt √(g - β²)
>
> > However, the other extreme is to assume no time dilation, and the
> > equation becomes the following where (dτ = dt).
>
> > **  C = c √(g - β²)
>
> > Since the Cs atomic clock depends on its local value of the speed
> > of light, both equations above explain the same phenomenon.
> > <shrug>
>
> > This must be a universal axiom, or else there is no science.  With
> > that said, if one finds this axiom seems to break down, the only
> > explanation is that the laws of physics known so far are not
> > complete.  Thus, it is fvcking stupid to hide behind this axiom
> > and brag about how thorough one’s understanding of physics is.
> > <shrug>
>
> What inconsistencies?

Do you even read the post you reply to?  Idiot!  <shrug>

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#451942

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-07 22:39 -0800
Message-ID<e03c13ff-d996-46ce-878c-fff02b6569e3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451913
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 1:01:54 PM UTC-8, JanPB wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 11:16:10 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> 
> > > The Cs atomic clock is highly dependent on the temperature and the
> > > local speed of light in vacuum.  Today, there have been no
> > > experiments that have shown the speed of light is measured to be
> > > the same at any frame of reference after understanding the speed
> > > of light can be measured differently.  This is saying to calibrate
> > > the speed of light based on independent parameters.  The
> > > mathematics showing so is the following.  <shrug>
> >
> > > **  dσ² = g c² dt² - ds²
> >
> > > Or
> >
> > > **  C dτ = c dt √(g - β²)
> >
> > > Where
> >
> > > **  g = 1 – 2 GM/c² / r, to the first order
> > > **  β c = ds/dt
> > > **  ds² = dr² / g + dθ²
> > > **  dσ² = C² dτ²
> > > **  c = observer’s own local value of the speed of light
> > > **  C = speed of light at the remote observed location
> > > **  dt = time tick rate at the observer’s local location
> > > **  dτ = time tick rate at the remote observed location
> >
> > > The religion of GR just assumes (C = c), and the above equation
> > > becomes the following showing the mechanism of time dilation.
> > >  <shrug>
> >
> > > **  dτ = dt √(g - β²)
> >
> > > However, the other extreme is to assume no time dilation, and the
> > > equation becomes the following where (dτ = dt).
> >
> > > **  C = c √(g - β²)
> >
> > > Since the Cs atomic clock depends on its local value of the speed
> > > of light, both equations above explain the same phenomenon.
> > > <shrug>
> >
> > > This must be a universal axiom, or else there is no science.  With
> > > that said, if one finds this axiom seems to break down, the only
> > > explanation is that the laws of physics known so far are not
> > > complete.  Thus, it is fvcking stupid to hide behind this axiom
> > > and brag about how thorough one’s understanding of physics is.
> > > <shrug>
> >
> > What inconsistencies?
> 
> Do you even read the post you reply to?  Idiot!  <shrug>

This is not what I was responding to, you have falsified the record. This newsgroup is just full
of morons and plain liars.

Specifically: you edited your post to make my response look foolish. Here is the part you
carefully excised and danced around

> Anyone with a couple of neurons would be able to understand that any clock accumulates its local tick rate thus measuring local time.  However, the later usurpers of GR (self-styled physicists from the 1950’s and 1960’s) were terribly confused with the implications to the mathematics involved and devised (aka manufactured) this proper time thing to handwave inconsistencies away.  Thus, only proper idiots believe in proper time.  <shrug>

My question remains: WHAT "inconsistencies"?

And lose that obligatory "self-styled" obsessive-compulsive mantra of yours, it looks dumb.

--
Jan

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#451944

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-07 22:57 -0800
Message-ID<2089c073-d0fe-4749-b549-08cf0b133df6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451942
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:39:47 PM UTC-8, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > The Cs atomic clock is highly dependent on the temperature and the
> > local speed of light in vacuum.  Today, there have been no
> > experiments that have shown the speed of light is measured to be
> > the same at any frame of reference after understanding the speed
> > of light can be measured differently.  This is saying to calibrate
> > the speed of light based on independent parameters.  The
> > mathematics showing so is the following.  <shrug>
>
> > **  dσ² = g c² dt² - ds²
>
> > Or
>
> > **  C dτ = c dt √(g - β²)
>
> > Where
>
> > **  g = 1 – 2 GM/c² / r, to the first order
> > **  β c = ds/dt
> > **  ds² = dr² / g + dθ²
> > **  dσ² = C² dτ²
> > **  c = observer’s own local value of the speed of light
> > **  C = speed of light at the remote observed location
> > **  dt = time tick rate at the observer’s local location
> > **  dτ = time tick rate at the remote observed location
>
> > The religion of GR just assumes (C = c), and the above equation
> > becomes the following showing the mechanism of time dilation.
> >  <shrug>
>
> > **  dτ = dt √(g - β²)
>
> > However, the other extreme is to assume no time dilation, and the
> > equation becomes the following where (dτ = dt).
>
> > **  C = c √(g - β²)
>
> > Since the Cs atomic clock depends on its local value of the speed
> > of light, both equations above explain the same phenomenon.
> > <shrug>
>
> > This must be a universal axiom, or else there is no science.  With
> > that said, if one finds this axiom seems to break down, the only
> > explanation is that the laws of physics known so far are not
> > complete.  Thus, it is fvcking stupid to hide behind this axiom
> > and brag about how thorough one’s understanding of physics is.
> > <shrug>
>
> My question remains: WHAT "inconsistencies"?

Do you even read the post you reply to?  Idiot!  <shrug>

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#451946

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-07 23:55 -0800
Message-ID<2d648d46-0d6f-48e3-b5c6-a9d49408ff59@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451944
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:57:57 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:39:47 PM UTC-8, JanPB wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> 
> > > The Cs atomic clock is highly dependent on the temperature and the
> > > local speed of light in vacuum.  Today, there have been no
> > > experiments that have shown the speed of light is measured to be
> > > the same at any frame of reference after understanding the speed
> > > of light can be measured differently.  This is saying to calibrate
> > > the speed of light based on independent parameters.  The
> > > mathematics showing so is the following.  <shrug>
> >
> > > **  dσ² = g c² dt² - ds²
> >
> > > Or
> >
> > > **  C dτ = c dt √(g - β²)
> >
> > > Where
> >
> > > **  g = 1 – 2 GM/c² / r, to the first order
> > > **  β c = ds/dt
> > > **  ds² = dr² / g + dθ²
> > > **  dσ² = C² dτ²
> > > **  c = observer’s own local value of the speed of light
> > > **  C = speed of light at the remote observed location
> > > **  dt = time tick rate at the observer’s local location
> > > **  dτ = time tick rate at the remote observed location
> >
> > > The religion of GR just assumes (C = c), and the above equation
> > > becomes the following showing the mechanism of time dilation.
> > >  <shrug>
> >
> > > **  dτ = dt √(g - β²)
> >
> > > However, the other extreme is to assume no time dilation, and the
> > > equation becomes the following where (dτ = dt).
> >
> > > **  C = c √(g - β²)
> >
> > > Since the Cs atomic clock depends on its local value of the speed
> > > of light, both equations above explain the same phenomenon.
> > > <shrug>
> >
> > > This must be a universal axiom, or else there is no science.  With
> > > that said, if one finds this axiom seems to break down, the only
> > > explanation is that the laws of physics known so far are not
> > > complete.  Thus, it is fvcking stupid to hide behind this axiom
> > > and brag about how thorough one’s understanding of physics is.
> > > <shrug>
> >
> > My question remains: WHAT "inconsistencies"?
> 
> Do you even read the post you reply to?  Idiot!  <shrug>

You keep posting falsified responses by other people.

--
Jan

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#451947

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-03-08 00:17 -0800
Message-ID<0b8da2e8-9c66-474b-b5bb-79931da08cc4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451946
On Thursday, 8 March 2018 08:55:14 UTC+1, JanPB  wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:57:57 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:39:47 PM UTC-8, JanPB wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> > 
> > > > The Cs atomic clock is highly dependent on the temperature and the
> > > > local speed of light in vacuum.  Today, there have been no
> > > > experiments that have shown the speed of light is measured to be
> > > > the same at any frame of reference after understanding the speed
> > > > of light can be measured differently.  This is saying to calibrate
> > > > the speed of light based on independent parameters.  The
> > > > mathematics showing so is the following.  <shrug>
> > >
> > > > **  dσ² = g c² dt² - ds²
> > >
> > > > Or
> > >
> > > > **  C dτ = c dt √(g - β²)
> > >
> > > > Where
> > >
> > > > **  g = 1 – 2 GM/c² / r, to the first order
> > > > **  β c = ds/dt
> > > > **  ds² = dr² / g + dθ²
> > > > **  dσ² = C² dτ²
> > > > **  c = observer’s own local value of the speed of light
> > > > **  C = speed of light at the remote observed location
> > > > **  dt = time tick rate at the observer’s local location
> > > > **  dτ = time tick rate at the remote observed location
> > >
> > > > The religion of GR just assumes (C = c), and the above equation
> > > > becomes the following showing the mechanism of time dilation.
> > > >  <shrug>
> > >
> > > > **  dτ = dt √(g - β²)
> > >
> > > > However, the other extreme is to assume no time dilation, and the
> > > > equation becomes the following where (dτ = dt).
> > >
> > > > **  C = c √(g - β²)
> > >
> > > > Since the Cs atomic clock depends on its local value of the speed
> > > > of light, both equations above explain the same phenomenon.
> > > > <shrug>
> > >
> > > > This must be a universal axiom, or else there is no science.  With
> > > > that said, if one finds this axiom seems to break down, the only
> > > > explanation is that the laws of physics known so far are not
> > > > complete.  Thus, it is fvcking stupid to hide behind this axiom
> > > > and brag about how thorough one’s understanding of physics is.
> > > > <shrug>
> > >
> > > My question remains: WHAT "inconsistencies"?
> > 
> > Do you even read the post you reply to?  Idiot!  <shrug>
> 
> You keep posting falsified responses by other people.

Yeah! obviously false, inconsistent with teachings of
Great Guru!

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#451980

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-08 09:25 -0800
Message-ID<1831b1b8-4f94-43af-aff9-8e8bbe6b57fb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451946
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 11:55:14 PM UTC-8, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:57:57 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > The Cs atomic clock is highly dependent on the temperature and the
> > local speed of light in vacuum.  Today, there have been no
> > experiments that have shown the speed of light is measured to be
> > the same at any frame of reference after understanding the speed
> > of light can be measured differently.  This is saying to calibrate
> > the speed of light based on independent parameters.  The
> > mathematics showing so is the following.  <shrug>
>
> > **  dσ² = g c² dt² - ds²
>
> > Or
>
> > **  C dτ = c dt √(g - β²)
>
> > Where
> >
> > **  g = 1 – 2 GM/c² / r, to the first order
> > **  β c = ds/dt
> > **  ds² = dr² / g + dθ²
> > **  dσ² = C² dτ²
> > **  c = observer’s own local value of the speed of light
> > **  C = speed of light at the remote observed location
> > **  dt = time tick rate at the observer’s local location
> > **  dτ = time tick rate at the remote observed location
>
> > The religion of GR just assumes (C = c), and the above equation
> > becomes the following showing the mechanism of time dilation.
> >  <shrug>
>
> > **  dτ = dt √(g - β²)
>
> > However, the other extreme is to assume no time dilation, and the
> > equation becomes the following where (dτ = dt).
>
> > **  C = c √(g - β²)
>
> > Since the Cs atomic clock depends on its local value of the speed
> > of light, both equations above explain the same phenomenon.
> > <shrug>
>
> > This must be a universal axiom, or else there is no science.  With
> > that said, if one finds this axiom seems to break down, the only
> > explanation is that the laws of physics known so far are not
> > complete.  Thus, it is fvcking stupid to hide behind this axiom
> > and brag about how thorough one’s understanding of physics is.
> > <shrug>
>
> You keep posting falsified responses by other people.

Do you even read the post you reply to?  Idiot!  <shrug>

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#451991

FromProkaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-08 10:48 -0800
Message-ID<0614a6a2-8aaf-49aa-b02b-153a3e134e8b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451942
On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:39:47 AM UTC-6, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > > What inconsistencies?
> > 
> > Do you even read the post you reply to?  Idiot!  <shrug>
> 
> This is not what I was responding to, you have falsified the record. This newsgroup is just full
> of morons and plain liars.

Koobee, Dono, Henry... lots of posters here use the same technique.

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#451993

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-03-08 10:49 -0800
Message-ID<8d1159e0-0043-4e10-954d-b44404138c40@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451991
On Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:48:12 UTC+1, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog  wrote:
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:39:47 AM UTC-6, JanPB wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> 
> > > > What inconsistencies?
> > > 
> > > Do you even read the post you reply to?  Idiot!  <shrug>
> > 
> > This is not what I was responding to, you have falsified the record. This newsgroup is just full
> > of morons and plain liars.
> 
> Koobee, Dono, Henry... lots of posters here use the same technique.

Jan, Tom, Odd, you....

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#451994

FromKoobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-08 11:08 -0800
Message-ID<c39b8c3e-c4ec-4df4-ad90-3a2ebaabcf37@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451991
On March 8, 2018 at 10:48:12 AM UTC-8, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 10:57:57 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:

> > The Cs atomic clock is highly dependent on the temperature and the
> > local speed of light in vacuum.  Today, there have been no
> > experiments that have shown the speed of light is measured to be
> > the same at any frame of reference after understanding the speed
> > of light can be measured differently.  This is saying to calibrate
> > the speed of light based on independent parameters.  The
> > mathematics showing so is the following.  <shrug>
>
> > **  dσ² = g c² dt² - ds²
>
> > Or
>
> > **  C dτ = c dt √(g - β²)
>
> > Where
> >
> > **  g = 1 – 2 GM/c² / r, to the first order
> > **  β c = ds/dt
> > **  ds² = dr² / g + dθ²
> > **  dσ² = C² dτ²
> > **  c = observer’s own local value of the speed of light
> > **  C = speed of light at the remote observed location
> > **  dt = time tick rate at the observer’s local location
> > **  dτ = time tick rate at the remote observed location
>
> > The religion of GR just assumes (C = c), and the above equation
> > becomes the following showing the mechanism of time dilation.
> >  <shrug>
>
> > **  dτ = dt √(g - β²)
>
> > However, the other extreme is to assume no time dilation, and the
> > equation becomes the following where (dτ = dt).
>
> > **  C = c √(g - β²)
>
> > Since the Cs atomic clock depends on its local value of the speed
> > of light, both equations above explain the same phenomenon.
> > <shrug>
>
> > This must be a universal axiom, or else there is no science.  With
> > that said, if one finds this axiom seems to break down, the only
> > explanation is that the laws of physics known so far are not
> > complete.  Thus, it is fvcking stupid to hide behind this axiom
> > and brag about how thorough one’s understanding of physics is.
> > <shrug>
>
> Koobee, Dono, Henry... lots of posters here use the same technique.

Einstein dingleberries talk nonsense, and that is the technique used by Einstein dingleberries.  If offering no values, get the fvck lost instead of babbling nonsense.  Just how fvcking difficult can this be?  <shrug>

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#452036

From"Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net>
Date2018-03-08 19:39 -0800
Message-ID<829aa0d7-b246-4560-a390-a5c5abbdbd57@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451991
On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 10:48:12 AM UTC-8, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote:
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:39:47 AM UTC-6, JanPB wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 4:53:28 PM UTC-8, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> 
> > > > What inconsistencies?
> > > 
> > > Do you even read the post you reply to?  Idiot!  <shrug>
> > 
> > This is not what I was responding to, you have falsified the record. This newsgroup is just full
> > of morons and plain liars.
> 
> Koobee, Dono, Henry... lots of posters here use the same technique.

Pot. Kettle. Troll. 

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#451937

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2018-03-08 15:16 +1100
Message-ID<fgbrpqF34p1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#451792
On 7/03/2018 6:16 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:33:00 AM UTC-8, Ed Lake wrote:
> 
>> How is comparing "elapsed proper times" different from comparing
>> "clock rates"?
> 
> Anyone with a couple of neurons would be able to understand that any clock accumulates its local tick rate thus measuring local time.  However, the later usurpers of GR (self-styled physicists from the 1950’s and 1960’s) were terribly confused with the implications to the mathematics involved and devised (aka manufactured) this proper time thing to handwave inconsistencies away.  Thus, only proper idiots believe in proper time.  <shrug>

The "proper time" of an object is just the rate at which time passes in 
the frame of an object. It's terminology, nothing more.

Sylvia.

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#451938

From"David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com>
Date2018-03-07 20:42 -0800
Message-ID<b5645873-e9b2-4b02-bf65-e72372752aa0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451937
Sylvia Else wrote 

On 7/03/2018 6:16 PM, Koobee Wublee wrote: 
> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 8:33:00 AM UTC-8, Ed Lake wrote: 
> 
>> How is comparing "elapsed proper times" different from comparing 
>> "clock rates"? 
> 
> Anyone with a couple of neurons would be able to understand that any clock accumulates its local tick rate thus measuring local time.  However, the later usurpers of GR (self-styled physicists from the 1950’s and 1960’s) were terribly confused with the implications to the mathematics involved and devised (aka manufactured) this proper time thing to handwave inconsistencies away.  Thus, only proper idiots believe in proper time.  <shrug> 

The "proper time" of an object is just the rate at which time passes in 
the frame of an object. It's terminology, nothing more. 

Sylvia. 

Proper Time = (GR-SR)

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