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| Started by | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| First post | 2018-02-28 08:32 -0800 |
| Last post | 2018-03-16 10:47 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 542 — 30 participants |
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Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 08:32 -0800
Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 09:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:26 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 09:37 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 10:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 11:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 21:00 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 13:27 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ický Bezdrátovì <ikbe@wmkfre.np> - 2018-03-02 12:34 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-02 05:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-02 00:05 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:26 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 09:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 10:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:00 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:23 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 14:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-02-28 19:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 10:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:13 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 13:58 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 14:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 15:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 07:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-01 10:00 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 13:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-28 12:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-02-28 21:33 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 21:42 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:23 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 14:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 07:40 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-01 11:26 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 13:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 14:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 15:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 17:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-01 14:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 08:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-02 09:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:19 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-02 18:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-03 09:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-03 11:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 18:45 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 06:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 13:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-02-28 18:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 13:40 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-01 17:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 20:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-01 21:44 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 11:44 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-02 13:28 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-01 13:18 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-02 00:08 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:38 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-01 17:42 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-01 09:13 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 09:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 14:24 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 08:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 10:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 13:57 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 14:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-02 15:58 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 08:57 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 09:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-03-03 12:18 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 15:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-03-05 09:15 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 10:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:32 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:47 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 11:15 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 20:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 12:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 22:54 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 10:51 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 19:00 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:41 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:56 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 15:50 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:51 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 23:19 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 13:20 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:23 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:38 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 10:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 13:24 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 21:19 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:27 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:37 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 14:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:46 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:54 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 15:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-05 10:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 23:34 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-02 16:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 16:45 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 08:02 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 14:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 14:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 14:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:03 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-02 23:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 08:27 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 04:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-03 05:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 14:29 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 05:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-04 18:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 05:55 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 15:17 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 18:27 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 08:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-03 08:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 09:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 13:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 14:38 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 14:15 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:46 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 09:40 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:56 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 10:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 01:53 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 13:28 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:18 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-06 09:19 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 22:27 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 20:06 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 11:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 13:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 23:23 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 01:53 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 21:45 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 13:54 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 14:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:01 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 10:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 14:07 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 05:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-04 11:44 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:32 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:55 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 08:52 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 09:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 20:19 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 20:37 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 06:50 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 06:37 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-07 11:08 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 05:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-07 15:13 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 07:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 07:46 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-07 17:31 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:12 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-08 21:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 12:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 04:17 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 04:52 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 11:24 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 11:21 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-09 10:31 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 02:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 14:47 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 15:49 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 18:36 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 09:53 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 02:28 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-08 21:41 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 00:22 +0000
Just more BULL SHIT eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 06:50 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-01 15:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-02 09:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 13:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-03 09:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-03 10:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-04 16:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-04 17:38 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 07:03 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 07:54 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 14:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:47 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 15:07 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 23:14 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 11:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 20:59 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 14:18 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 20:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 07:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:00 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:58 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:04 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-08 07:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 15:49 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 18:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 07:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 12:05 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-02-28 22:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-01 11:32 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-02 09:04 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 15:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-02 11:43 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 18:45 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-02 22:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 11:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:20 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 20:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 10:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 11:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 16:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 10:40 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 11:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 17:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 22:35 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-04 11:43 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-03-03 21:13 -0500
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 20:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 10:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:13 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:19 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 12:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 20:55 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 14:21 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 14:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:51 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 20:44 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-04 11:40 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 10:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-05 08:28 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 08:54 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 18:05 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-06 11:24 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 13:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:07 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-07 13:11 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 09:10 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 14:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 21:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-08 06:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 23:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-07 17:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-08 11:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 13:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-08 15:38 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-09 10:56 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 15:07 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-09 11:49 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:01 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 19:48 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 20:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 20:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 12:21 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 12:27 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-04 12:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 13:03 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 08:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 08:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 09:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:13 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 07:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 16:46 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 07:58 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:35 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:40 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 15:43 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 16:10 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:18 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:26 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 10:15 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:09 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 14:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 23:18 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 14:47 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 08:25 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-08 17:32 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 18:36 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:01 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:30 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-07 19:09 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:42 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 20:49 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:51 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-04 11:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:27 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 08:43 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-11 06:54 -0700
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 07:14 -0700
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-05 17:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 21:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:18 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:23 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:56 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:34 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:45 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 11:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-05 21:20 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-05 22:55 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 09:38 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-06 11:06 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:15 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 09:26 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 12:35 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:17 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:28 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-01 21:28 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-01 09:45 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 18:29 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:58 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 10:23 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:18 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 11:05 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:04 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:49 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:07 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:29 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 07:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:58 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-07 13:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:06 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:58 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-05 14:00 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 08:40 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 12:30 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 19:06 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 19:10 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:22 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 20:43 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:50 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:00 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-07 16:55 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 08:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 08:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:24 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-08 23:04 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 21:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 21:31 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-09 06:33 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 22:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-09 10:41 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 23:02 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 12:27 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 04:36 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 15:00 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 08:41 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 18:35 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 10:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 19:30 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 18:36 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-09 11:17 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 09:32 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-10 09:59 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-10 23:44 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:06 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:29 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:09 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:07 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:42 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:12 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-05 17:19 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-06 18:47 +1100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:12 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:24 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-05 16:28 -0600
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:46 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:52 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-06 23:25 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:36 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:46 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:45 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:54 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 19:33 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:11 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:44 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:57 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:39 +0100
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:08 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:24 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:14 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 13:14 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 12:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 23:16 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:48 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:58 +0000
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 13:01 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:53 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 22:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 22:57 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:55 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 00:17 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 09:25 -0800
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Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 10:49 -0800
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Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-08 19:39 -0800
Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 15:16 +1100
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| From | "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> |
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| Date | 2018-03-02 14:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <EbcmC.44372$Zg.1646@fx21.am4> |
| In reply to | #451201 |
Den 02.03.2018 14.13, skrev Paul B. Andersen: > Den 02.03.2018 00.02, skrev Ed Lake: >> >> Clocks do not move "relative to each other" anywhere except in the >> minds of mathematicians. Everywhere else, they move relative to the >> point where the Big Bang occurred. >> >> Comparing the rates of moving clocks is not only possible, it's an >> excellent way to determine which clock is moving faster relative to >> the point where the Big Bang occurred. The clock that runs slower is >> the clock that is moving faster. It is as simple as that. > > Ed, when I measure the apparent rate > Oooops, premature sent! Ed, when I measure the apparent rate of a moving clock, I always find that it runs slower than my clock. Does that mean that I am stationary relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred? -- Paul https://paulba.no/
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-02 12:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e0c992cf-e74f-47fc-8b97-ab1f01a20f95@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451202 |
On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > Den 02.03.2018 14.13, skrev Paul B. Andersen: > > Den 02.03.2018 00.02, skrev Ed Lake: > >> > >> Clocks do not move "relative to each other" anywhere except in the > >> minds of mathematicians. Everywhere else, they move relative to the > >> point where the Big Bang occurred. > >> > >> Comparing the rates of moving clocks is not only possible, it's an > >> excellent way to determine which clock is moving faster relative to > >> the point where the Big Bang occurred. The clock that runs slower is > >> the clock that is moving faster. It is as simple as that. > > > > Ed, when I measure the apparent rate > > > > Oooops, premature sent! > > Ed, when I measure the apparent rate of a moving clock, > I always find that it runs slower than my clock. > > Does that mean that I am stationary relative to > the point where the Big Bang occurred? No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less fast. There may be only one stationary spot in the entire Big Bang universe: the point where the Big Bang occurred. Ed
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-02 20:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7cdns$mng$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #451235 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >> Den 02.03.2018 14.13, skrev Paul B. Andersen: >>> Den 02.03.2018 00.02, skrev Ed Lake: >>>> >>>> Clocks do not move "relative to each other" anywhere except in the >>>> minds of mathematicians. Everywhere else, they move relative to the >>>> point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>> >>>> Comparing the rates of moving clocks is not only possible, it's an >>>> excellent way to determine which clock is moving faster relative to >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. The clock that runs slower is >>>> the clock that is moving faster. It is as simple as that. >>> >>> Ed, when I measure the apparent rate >>> >> >> Oooops, premature sent! >> >> Ed, when I measure the apparent rate of a moving clock, >> I always find that it runs slower than my clock. >> >> Does that mean that I am stationary relative to >> the point where the Big Bang occurred? > > No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your > clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, of course, > your clock is also moving relative to the point where the Big Bang > occurred, but less fast. > > There may be only one stationary spot in the entire Big Bang universe: > the point where the Big Bang occurred. > > Ed > > So according to this, a clock moving less fast relative to the center of the Big Bang than mine is, would tick FASTER than my clock. Any evidence of that ever happening? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> |
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| Date | 2018-03-03 14:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <IjxmC.375620$F74.19510@fx47.am4> |
| In reply to | #451235 |
Den 02.03.2018 21.48, skrev Ed Lake: > On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >>> Den 02.03.2018 00.02, skrev Ed Lake: >>>> >>>> Clocks do not move "relative to each other" anywhere except in the >>>> minds of mathematicians. Everywhere else, they move relative to the >>>> point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>> >>>> Comparing the rates of moving clocks is not only possible, it's an >>>> excellent way to determine which clock is moving faster relative to >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. The clock that runs slower is >>>> the clock that is moving faster. It is as simple as that. >>> >> Ed, when I measure the apparent rate of a moving clock, >> I always find that it runs slower than my clock. >> >> Does that mean that I am stationary relative to >> the point where the Big Bang occurred? > > No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less fast. Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred? -- Paul https://paulba.no/
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| From | Python <python@python.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-03-03 14:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5a9aa26c$0$31624$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #451314 |
Paul B. Andersen wrote: > Den 02.03.2018 21.48, skrev Ed Lake: ... > Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move > slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred? Which can be rephrased as "Mr Lake, are you more or less stupid than Ken Seto?"
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-03 09:51 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6989bfa3-fa29-477c-855f-d5ef384a2611@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451314 |
On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:21:47 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > Den 02.03.2018 21.48, skrev Ed Lake: > > On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >>> Den 02.03.2018 00.02, skrev Ed Lake: > >>>> > >>>> Clocks do not move "relative to each other" anywhere except in the > >>>> minds of mathematicians. Everywhere else, they move relative to the > >>>> point where the Big Bang occurred. > >>>> > >>>> Comparing the rates of moving clocks is not only possible, it's an > >>>> excellent way to determine which clock is moving faster relative to > >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. The clock that runs slower is > >>>> the clock that is moving faster. It is as simple as that. > >>> > >> Ed, when I measure the apparent rate of a moving clock, > >> I always find that it runs slower than my clock. > >> > >> Does that mean that I am stationary relative to > >> the point where the Big Bang occurred? > > > > No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less fast. > > Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move > slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred? No one said such a thing. You are just(deliberately?) misinterpreting things. All you have to do to cause a clock to tick slower than your clock is to (1) send it in the direction opposite to the earth's rotation, or (2) send it in the direction opposite to the earth's orbit around the sun, or (3) sent it in the direction opposite to the sun's orbit around the center of the Milky Way galaxy, or (4) put it in the basement while you are on the first floor. Ed
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| From | "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> |
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| Date | 2018-03-03 20:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <dWCmC.105829$MO3.20301@fx24.am4> |
| In reply to | #451345 |
Den 03.03.2018 18.51, skrev Ed Lake: > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:21:47 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >> Den 02.03.2018 21.48, skrev Ed Lake: >>> On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >>>>> Den 02.03.2018 00.02, skrev Ed Lake: >>>>>> >>>>>> Clocks do not move "relative to each other" anywhere except in the >>>>>> minds of mathematicians. Everywhere else, they move relative to the >>>>>> point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>> >>>>>> Comparing the rates of moving clocks is not only possible, it's an >>>>>> excellent way to determine which clock is moving faster relative to >>>>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. The clock that runs slower is >>>>>> the clock that is moving faster. It is as simple as that. >>>>> >>>> Ed, when I measure the apparent rate of a moving clock, >>>> I always find that it runs slower than my clock. >>>> >>>> Does that mean that I am stationary relative to >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred? >>> >>> No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less fast. >> >> Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move >> slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred? > > No one said such a thing. You are just(deliberately?) misinterpreting things. Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but when confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of your own statement, you try to flee by claiming that you never said what you did. But you must be prepared to defend your own claims, so let's try again: You claim that the rate of a clock is slower the faster it moves relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. I claim that the apparent rate of any clock which is moving relative to me is always slower than my clock. According to your logic and reason, that must imply that all clocks which are moving relative to me, are moving faster than me relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. You confirm that by stating: "the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred" This statement can't be misinterpreted, and you can't claim that you never stated it. So that's why I asked: "Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred?" Can you please answer the question? -- Paul https://paulba.no/
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-03 14:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c0773c0c-62dd-4b29-9585-dcbc8aea0d98@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451358 |
On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 1:44:12 PM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > Den 03.03.2018 18.51, skrev Ed Lake: > > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:21:47 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >> Den 02.03.2018 21.48, skrev Ed Lake: > >>> On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > >>>>> Den 02.03.2018 00.02, skrev Ed Lake: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Clocks do not move "relative to each other" anywhere except in the > >>>>>> minds of mathematicians. Everywhere else, they move relative to the > >>>>>> point where the Big Bang occurred. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Comparing the rates of moving clocks is not only possible, it's an > >>>>>> excellent way to determine which clock is moving faster relative to > >>>>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. The clock that runs slower is > >>>>>> the clock that is moving faster. It is as simple as that. > >>>>> > >>>> Ed, when I measure the apparent rate of a moving clock, > >>>> I always find that it runs slower than my clock. > >>>> > >>>> Does that mean that I am stationary relative to > >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred? > >>> > >>> No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less fast. > >> > >> Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move > >> slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred? > > > > No one said such a thing. You are just(deliberately?) misinterpreting things. > > Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but when > confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of your > own statement, you try to flee by claiming that you never > said what you did. If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said something I never said? > > But you must be prepared to defend your own claims, so > let's try again: > > You claim that the rate of a clock is slower the faster it moves > relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. Yes. But I would say a clock TICKS or RUNS slower. "A clock is slower" is bad English and has no real meaning. > > I claim that the apparent rate of any clock which is moving > relative to me is always slower than my clock. I'm not sure what you mean by "apparent," plus "moving relative" to you could mean moving SLOWER relative to you. In which case it is NOT what I said. A clock aboard a slower rocket ship will tick faster than your clock if you are on the faster rocket ship. > > According to your logic and reason, that must imply that > all clocks which are moving relative to me, are moving > faster than me relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. Nonsense. As stated above, a clock moving SLOWER relative to you would NOT be ticking slower. So, we see your problem. You cannot read nor write correct English. You can only discuss things in mathematical terms. If a clock is moving slower relative to you, it is also moving slower than you relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. At the point where the Big Bang occurred, clocks tick at the FASTEST rate they can possibly tick. Every clock in the rest of the universe ticks slower. The faster they move relative to the stationary point of the Big Bang, the slower they tick. Now let's see how you can misread that and claim I said something I never said. > > You confirm that by stating: > "the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock > relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred" That assumes that you are relatively stationary. What I wrote was about "moving clock" and a non-moving clock. You are taking things out of context. Is that deliberate, or can't you read English? > > This statement can't be misinterpreted, and you can't > claim that you never stated it. > > So that's why I asked: > "Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move > slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred?" > > Can you please answer the question? I did. I said your argument is nonsense. I remember writing that a clock going in the opposite direction of the rotation of the earth on its axis WOULD be going slower than you relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. The same with a clock going in the opposite direction of the earth orbiting the sun. The same with a clock going in the opposite direction of the sun orbiting the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So, your claim is nonsense. I'm done for today. I'll be back tomorrow. Ed
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2018-03-04 11:40 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <fg0tjcFjqctU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451375 |
On 4/03/2018 9:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 1:44:12 PM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >> Den 03.03.2018 18.51, skrev Ed Lake: >>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:21:47 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >>>> Den 02.03.2018 21.48, skrev Ed Lake: >>>>> On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote: >>>>>>> Den 02.03.2018 00.02, skrev Ed Lake: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Clocks do not move "relative to each other" anywhere except in the >>>>>>>> minds of mathematicians. Everywhere else, they move relative to the >>>>>>>> point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Comparing the rates of moving clocks is not only possible, it's an >>>>>>>> excellent way to determine which clock is moving faster relative to >>>>>>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. The clock that runs slower is >>>>>>>> the clock that is moving faster. It is as simple as that. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Ed, when I measure the apparent rate of a moving clock, >>>>>> I always find that it runs slower than my clock. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does that mean that I am stationary relative to >>>>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred? >>>>> >>>>> No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less fast. >>>> >>>> Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move >>>> slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred? >>> >>> No one said such a thing. You are just(deliberately?) misinterpreting things. >> >> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but when >> confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of your >> own statement, you try to flee by claiming that you never >> said what you did. > > If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said something I never said? > This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in this sub-thread: "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less fast." If the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it follows directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where the Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way that could happen is if your clock is not moving relative to where the Big Bang occurred. That is certainly a privileged position. Sylvia.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-04 10:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ac6158d9-aed6-4749-8bc3-d9edded1b663@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451382 |
On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > >> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but when > >> confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of your > >> own statement, you try to flee by claiming that you never > >> said what you did. > > > > If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said something I never said? > > > > This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in this sub-thread: > > "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your > clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, of course, > your clock is also moving relative to the point where the Big Bang > occurred, but less fast." > > If the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to > the point where the Big Bang occurred, it follows directly that no clock > is moving SLOWER than your clock relative to the point where the Big > Bang occurred. I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS out of context. There seems to be some confusion between "moving" and "ticking." Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving clock (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to Mars. That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock relative to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it on a jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of the earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than my clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative to the point of the Big Bang. > > That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where the Big Bang > occurred in the entire universe. The only way that could happen is if > your clock is not moving relative to where the Big Bang occurred. > > That is certainly a privileged position. > > Sylvia. I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm responding to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond too fast to do much checking of what I'm writing. The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point in the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the earth as it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and with the sun as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So, I am far from being "stationary." Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than the orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the earth. But NO ONE can go slower than the point where the Big Bang occurred, because it is STATIONARY and may be the ONLY naturally STATIONARY point in the Big Bang universe. Every place else and everyone else is moving through time SLOWER than time is measured at the point of the Big Bang. Understand? It's lunch time. I'll be back in a couple hours. Ed
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2018-03-05 08:28 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <fg36oaF503eU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451447 |
On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but when >>>> confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of your own >>>> statement, you try to flee by claiming that you never said what >>>> you did. >>> >>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point out where >>> it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said something I never >>> said? >>> >> >> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in this >> sub-thread: >> >> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than >> your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, >> of course, your clock is also moving relative to the point where >> the Big Bang occurred, but less fast." >> >> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock >> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it follows >> directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your clock relative to >> the point where the Big Bang occurred. > > I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS out of > context. There seems to be some confusion between "moving" and > "ticking." > > Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving clock > (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to Mars. That > "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. > > The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock relative to > the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. > > However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it on a jet > and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of the earth), that > "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than my clock. And it would > probably move slower than me relative to the point of the Big Bang. > >> >> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where the Big >> Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way that could >> happen is if your clock is not moving relative to where the Big >> Bang occurred. >> >> That is certainly a privileged position. >> >> Sylvia. > > I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm responding to > a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond too fast to do much > checking of what I'm writing. The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. > > The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point in the > Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the earth as it spins, > with the earth as it orbits the sun, and with the sun as it orbits > the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So, I am far from being > "stationary." > > Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by going in > the opposite direction to the various orbits and rotations. Others > can go faster than me by using rockets or other forms of energy > driven vehicles to travel faster than the orbits and rotations, or to > simply move away from the earth. If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some clocks will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than I am, and I should find that those clocks tick more quickly than mine does. That effect is noticeably absent. Sylvia.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-05 08:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2e0b6085-7a90-4c35-aef0-4674dcf94dc8@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451472 |
On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > > On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > >>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but when > >>>> confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of your own > >>>> statement, you try to flee by claiming that you never said what > >>>> you did. > >>> > >>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point out where > >>> it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said something I never > >>> said? > >>> > >> > >> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in this > >> sub-thread: > >> > >> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than > >> your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, > >> of course, your clock is also moving relative to the point where > >> the Big Bang occurred, but less fast." > >> > >> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock > >> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it follows > >> directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your clock relative to > >> the point where the Big Bang occurred. > > > > I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS out of > > context. There seems to be some confusion between "moving" and > > "ticking." > > > > Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving clock > > (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to Mars. That > > "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. > > > > The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock relative to > > the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. > > > > However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it on a jet > > and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of the earth), that > > "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than my clock. And it would > > probably move slower than me relative to the point of the Big Bang. > > > >> > >> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where the Big > >> Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way that could > >> happen is if your clock is not moving relative to where the Big > >> Bang occurred. > >> > >> That is certainly a privileged position. > >> > >> Sylvia. > > > > I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm responding to > > a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond too fast to do much > > checking of what I'm writing. > > The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. > > > > > The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point in the > > Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the earth as it spins, > > with the earth as it orbits the sun, and with the sun as it orbits > > the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So, I am far from being > > "stationary." > > > > Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by going in > > the opposite direction to the various orbits and rotations. Others > > can go faster than me by using rockets or other forms of energy > > driven vehicles to travel faster than the orbits and rotations, or to > > simply move away from the earth. > > If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some clocks will be > moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than I am, and I should find > that those clocks tick more quickly than mine does. That effect is > noticeably absent. > > Sylvia. What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point of the Big Bang. The Michelson-Gale experiment in 1925 confirmed that. http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1925ApJ....61..140M&data_type=PDF_HIGH&whole_paper=YES&type=PRINTER&filetype=.pdf Ed
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| From | "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-05 08:54 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1352c755-1af6-4864-9437-bc54dc0300d2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451538 |
It happens to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point of the Big Bang. <more DUMB SHITTERY> The Michelson-Gale experiment in 1925 confirmed that. http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1925ApJ....61..140M&data_type=PDF_HIGH&whole_paper=YES&type=PRINTER&filetype=.pdf <MMX FULLY EXPLAINABLE BY BULK MODULUS OF A MEDIUM or Planck. ((Pressure)/(Density))^0.5 = c It is just a möbius transformation Ed
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| From | Python <python@python.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-03-05 18:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <5a9d78d2$0$31623$426a74cc@news.free.fr> |
| In reply to | #451538 |
Le 05/03/2018 à 17:47, Ed Lake a écrit : > On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but when >>>>>> confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of your own >>>>>> statement, you try to flee by claiming that you never said what >>>>>> you did. >>>>> >>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point out where >>>>> it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said something I never >>>>> said? >>>>> >>>> >>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in this >>>> sub-thread: >>>> >>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than >>>> your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, and, >>>> of course, your clock is also moving relative to the point where >>>> the Big Bang occurred, but less fast." >>>> >>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock >>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it follows >>>> directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your clock relative to >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>> >>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS out of >>> context. There seems to be some confusion between "moving" and >>> "ticking." >>> >>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving clock >>> (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to Mars. That >>> "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. >>> >>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock relative to >>> the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. >>> >>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it on a jet >>> and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of the earth), that >>> "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than my clock. And it would >>> probably move slower than me relative to the point of the Big Bang. >>> >>>> >>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where the Big >>>> Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way that could >>>> happen is if your clock is not moving relative to where the Big >>>> Bang occurred. >>>> >>>> That is certainly a privileged position. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm responding to >>> a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond too fast to do much >>> checking of what I'm writing. >> >> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. >> >>> >>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point in the >>> Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the earth as it spins, >>> with the earth as it orbits the sun, and with the sun as it orbits >>> the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So, I am far from being >>> "stationary." >>> >>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by going in >>> the opposite direction to the various orbits and rotations. Others >>> can go faster than me by using rockets or other forms of energy >>> driven vehicles to travel faster than the orbits and rotations, or to >>> simply move away from the earth. >> >> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some clocks will be >> moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than I am, and I should find >> that those clocks tick more quickly than mine does. That effect is >> noticeably absent. >> >> Sylvia. > > What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point of the Big Bang. > > The Michelson-Gale experiment in 1925 confirmed that. *facepalm* This Ed Lake is amazing. There is no limits in his misunderstanding.
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2018-03-06 11:24 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <fg65etFp97vU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451538 |
On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else >>> wrote: >>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but when >>>>>> confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of your >>>>>> own statement, you try to flee by claiming that you never >>>>>> said what you did. >>>>> >>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point out >>>>> where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said something >>>>> I never said? >>>>> >>>> >>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in this >>>> sub-thread: >>>> >>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster >>>> than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang >>>> occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving relative to >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less fast." >>>> >>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock >>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it follows >>>> directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your clock >>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>> >>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS out >>> of context. There seems to be some confusion between "moving" >>> and "ticking." >>> >>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving clock >>> (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to Mars. >>> That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. >>> >>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock relative >>> to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. >>> >>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it on a >>> jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of the >>> earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than my >>> clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative to the >>> point of the Big Bang. >>> >>>> >>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where the >>>> Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way that >>>> could happen is if your clock is not moving relative to where >>>> the Big Bang occurred. >>>> >>>> That is certainly a privileged position. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm responding >>> to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond too fast to do >>> much checking of what I'm writing. >> >> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. >> >>> >>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point in >>> the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the earth as >>> it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and with the sun >>> as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So, I am far >>> from being "stationary." >>> >>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by >>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and >>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or >>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than the >>> orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the earth. >> >> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some clocks >> will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than I am, and >> I should find that those clocks tick more quickly than mine does. >> That effect is noticeably absent. >> >> Sylvia. > > What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens to > clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the rotation of > the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one speed relative to > the point of the Big Bang, and the clock traveling West is moving at > a slower speed relative to the point of the Big Bang. > This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd think it was true. It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative to the Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a particular point on the surface has on that movement. It would be affected by the time of the day, and time year. Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. Sylvia.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-06 13:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f10a3f23-99da-46ac-96e8-d75960b12f09@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451635 |
On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > > On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > >> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > >>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but when > >>>>>> confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of your > >>>>>> own statement, you try to flee by claiming that you never > >>>>>> said what you did. > >>>>> > >>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point out > >>>>> where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said something > >>>>> I never said? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in this > >>>> sub-thread: > >>>> > >>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster > >>>> than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang > >>>> occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving relative to > >>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less fast." > >>>> > >>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock > >>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it follows > >>>> directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your clock > >>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. > >>> > >>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS out > >>> of context. There seems to be some confusion between "moving" > >>> and "ticking." > >>> > >>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving clock > >>> (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to Mars. > >>> That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. > >>> > >>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock relative > >>> to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. > >>> > >>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it on a > >>> jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of the > >>> earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than my > >>> clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative to the > >>> point of the Big Bang. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where the > >>>> Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way that > >>>> could happen is if your clock is not moving relative to where > >>>> the Big Bang occurred. > >>>> > >>>> That is certainly a privileged position. > >>>> > >>>> Sylvia. > >>> > >>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm responding > >>> to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond too fast to do > >>> much checking of what I'm writing. > >> > >> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. > >> > >>> > >>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point in > >>> the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the earth as > >>> it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and with the sun > >>> as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So, I am far > >>> from being "stationary." > >>> > >>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by > >>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and > >>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or > >>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than the > >>> orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the earth. > >> > >> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some clocks > >> will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than I am, and > >> I should find that those clocks tick more quickly than mine does. > >> That effect is noticeably absent. > >> > >> Sylvia. > > > > What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens to > > clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the rotation of > > the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one speed relative to > > the point of the Big Bang, and the clock traveling West is moving at > > a slower speed relative to the point of the Big Bang. > > > > This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd think > it was true. > > It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative to the > Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a particular > point on the surface has on that movement. It would be affected by the > time of the day, and time year. > > Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. > > Sylvia. Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the earth is moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is I would be RIGHT under the right conditions. If you can figure out a time when the earth is spinning in the same direction that it is orbiting the sun AND the same time when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky Way, you can determine the time when you are moving at maximum velocity relative to the point of the Big Bang. I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no "privileged position" in the universe. There IS a "privileged position": it is the point where the Big Bang occurred. Ed
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-06 22:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7n3e8$6u7$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #451734 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but when >>>>>>>> confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of your >>>>>>>> own statement, you try to flee by claiming that you never >>>>>>>> said what you did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point out >>>>>>> where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said something >>>>>>> I never said? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in this >>>>>> sub-thread: >>>>>> >>>>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving faster >>>>>> than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang >>>>>> occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving relative to >>>>>> the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less fast." >>>>>> >>>>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock >>>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it follows >>>>>> directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your clock >>>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS out >>>>> of context. There seems to be some confusion between "moving" >>>>> and "ticking." >>>>> >>>>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving clock >>>>> (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to Mars. >>>>> That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. >>>>> >>>>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock relative >>>>> to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. >>>>> >>>>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it on a >>>>> jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of the >>>>> earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than my >>>>> clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative to the >>>>> point of the Big Bang. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where the >>>>>> Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way that >>>>>> could happen is if your clock is not moving relative to where >>>>>> the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is certainly a privileged position. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm responding >>>>> to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond too fast to do >>>>> much checking of what I'm writing. >>>> >>>> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point in >>>>> the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the earth as >>>>> it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and with the sun >>>>> as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. So, I am far >>>>> from being "stationary." >>>>> >>>>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by >>>>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and >>>>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or >>>>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than the >>>>> orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the earth. >>>> >>>> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some clocks >>>> will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than I am, and >>>> I should find that those clocks tick more quickly than mine does. >>>> That effect is noticeably absent. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens to >>> clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the rotation of >>> the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one speed relative to >>> the point of the Big Bang, and the clock traveling West is moving at >>> a slower speed relative to the point of the Big Bang. >>> >> >> This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd think >> it was true. >> >> It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative to the >> Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a particular >> point on the surface has on that movement. It would be affected by the >> time of the day, and time year. >> >> Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. >> >> Sylvia. > > Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the earth is > moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is I would be RIGHT under > the right conditions. If you can figure out a time when the earth is > spinning in the same direction that it is orbiting the sun AND the same > time when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky Way, you can > determine the time when you are moving at maximum velocity relative to > the point of the Big Bang. > > I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no "privileged > position" in the universe. There IS a "privileged position": it is the > point where the Big Bang occurred. Which is a point that the Big Bang model says DOES NOT EXIST. In other words, when you talk about the point where the Big Bang occurred, you are no longer talking about the Big Bang model. Instead you may be talking about what you THINK the Big Bang model must be, which it is not. > > Ed > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2018-03-07 13:11 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <fg902bFe5ujU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #451734 |
On 7/03/2018 8:08 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but >>>>>>>> when confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of >>>>>>>> your own statement, you try to flee by claiming that >>>>>>>> you never said what you did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point >>>>>>> out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said >>>>>>> something I never said? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in >>>>>> this sub-thread: >>>>>> >>>>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving >>>>>> faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big >>>>>> Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving >>>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less >>>>>> fast." >>>>>> >>>>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your >>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it >>>>>> follows directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your >>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS >>>>> out of context. There seems to be some confusion between >>>>> "moving" and "ticking." >>>>> >>>>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving >>>>> clock (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to >>>>> Mars. That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. >>>>> >>>>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock >>>>> relative to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. >>>>> >>>>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it >>>>> on a jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of >>>>> the earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than >>>>> my clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative >>>>> to the point of the Big Bang. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where >>>>>> the Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way >>>>>> that could happen is if your clock is not moving relative >>>>>> to where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is certainly a privileged position. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm >>>>> responding to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond >>>>> too fast to do much checking of what I'm writing. >>>> >>>> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point >>>>> in the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the >>>>> earth as it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and >>>>> with the sun as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. >>>>> So, I am far from being "stationary." >>>>> >>>>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by >>>>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and >>>>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or >>>>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than >>>>> the orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the >>>>> earth. >>>> >>>> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some >>>> clocks will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than >>>> I am, and I should find that those clocks tick more quickly >>>> than mine does. That effect is noticeably absent. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens >>> to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the >>> rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one >>> speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock >>> traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point >>> of the Big Bang. >>> >> >> This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd >> think it was true. >> >> It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative >> to the Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a >> particular point on the surface has on that movement. It would be >> affected by the time of the day, and time year. >> >> Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. >> >> Sylvia. > > Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the earth is > moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is I would be RIGHT > under the right conditions. If you can figure out a time when the > earth is spinning in the same direction that it is orbiting the sun > AND the same time when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky > Way, you can determine the time when you are moving at maximum > velocity relative to the point of the Big Bang. > > I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no "privileged > position" in the universe. There IS a "privileged position": it is > the point where the Big Bang occurred. > > Ed > So clocks on opposite sides of the world would be seen to gain and lose with respect to each other as the Earth turned. I'm pretty sure that would have been noticed if it were true. It would also totally mess up GPS, which is noticeably not messed up. Sylvia.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-07 08:30 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <9ad54e2a-be16-4391-8129-4c921f6a11f1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #451769 |
On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 7/03/2018 8:08 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > > On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > >> On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > >>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: > >>>> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: > >>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but > >>>>>>>> when confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of > >>>>>>>> your own statement, you try to flee by claiming that > >>>>>>>> you never said what you did. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point > >>>>>>> out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said > >>>>>>> something I never said? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in > >>>>>> this sub-thread: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving > >>>>>> faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big > >>>>>> Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving > >>>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less > >>>>>> fast." > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your > >>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it > >>>>>> follows directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your > >>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS > >>>>> out of context. There seems to be some confusion between > >>>>> "moving" and "ticking." > >>>>> > >>>>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving > >>>>> clock (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to > >>>>> Mars. That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. > >>>>> > >>>>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock > >>>>> relative to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. > >>>>> > >>>>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it > >>>>> on a jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of > >>>>> the earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than > >>>>> my clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative > >>>>> to the point of the Big Bang. > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where > >>>>>> the Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way > >>>>>> that could happen is if your clock is not moving relative > >>>>>> to where the Big Bang occurred. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That is certainly a privileged position. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sylvia. > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm > >>>>> responding to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond > >>>>> too fast to do much checking of what I'm writing. > >>>> > >>>> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point > >>>>> in the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the > >>>>> earth as it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and > >>>>> with the sun as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. > >>>>> So, I am far from being "stationary." > >>>>> > >>>>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by > >>>>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and > >>>>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or > >>>>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than > >>>>> the orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the > >>>>> earth. > >>>> > >>>> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some > >>>> clocks will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than > >>>> I am, and I should find that those clocks tick more quickly > >>>> than mine does. That effect is noticeably absent. > >>>> > >>>> Sylvia. > >>> > >>> What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens > >>> to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the > >>> rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one > >>> speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock > >>> traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point > >>> of the Big Bang. > >>> > >> > >> This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd > >> think it was true. > >> > >> It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative > >> to the Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a > >> particular point on the surface has on that movement. It would be > >> affected by the time of the day, and time year. > >> > >> Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. > >> > >> Sylvia. > > > > Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the earth is > > moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is I would be RIGHT > > under the right conditions. If you can figure out a time when the > > earth is spinning in the same direction that it is orbiting the sun > > AND the same time when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky > > Way, you can determine the time when you are moving at maximum > > velocity relative to the point of the Big Bang. > > > > I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no "privileged > > position" in the universe. There IS a "privileged position": it is > > the point where the Big Bang occurred. > > > > Ed > > > > So clocks on opposite sides of the world would be seen to gain and lose > with respect to each other as the Earth turned. I'm pretty sure that > would have been noticed if it were true. It would also totally mess up > GPS, which is noticeably not messed up. > > Sylvia. Good point, Sylvia. It seems the problem would be on how to TEST that hypothesis. The time differences are very very very very small. They have a hard time measuring such small difference in the rate of time when they have clocks that are just feet or a few miles apart. They have to connect the locations with fiber optic cable. How do you compare clock tick rates when the clocks are on opposite sides of the earth? Or on opposite sides of the Earth's orbit around the sun? Hmm. Ed
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <p7p7b2$1jh9$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #451814 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Tuesday, March 6, 2018 at 8:11:27 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 7/03/2018 8:08 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>> On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 6:25:03 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 6/03/2018 3:47 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>> On 5/03/2018 5:31 AM, Ed Lake wrote: >>>>>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 6:40:17 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Ed, you pride yourself of using logic and reason, but >>>>>>>>>> when confronted with the inevitable logic conclusion of >>>>>>>>>> your own statement, you try to flee by claiming that >>>>>>>>>> you never said what you did. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point >>>>>>>>> out where it is wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said >>>>>>>>> something I never said? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is a direct quote of what you said a bit earlier in >>>>>>>> this sub-thread: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "No, it means that the moving clock is always moving >>>>>>>> faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big >>>>>>>> Bang occurred, and, of course, your clock is also moving >>>>>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, but less >>>>>>>> fast." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the moving clock is always moving faster than your >>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred, it >>>>>>>> follows directly that no clock is moving SLOWER than your >>>>>>>> clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure where I made that statement, Sylvia. It SEEMS >>>>>>> out of context. There seems to be some confusion between >>>>>>> "moving" and "ticking." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's what I probably meant: I am on earth. The moving >>>>>>> clock (moving relative to me) is on a rocket ship en route to >>>>>>> Mars. That "moving clock" TICKS SLOWER than my clock. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The "moving clock" is also MOVING FASTER than my clock >>>>>>> relative to the Big Bang, which is a stationary point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, if someone on earth were to take a clock and put it >>>>>>> on a jet and travel WESTWARD with it (against the rotation of >>>>>>> the earth), that "moving clock" would would TICK FASTER than >>>>>>> my clock. And it would probably move slower than me relative >>>>>>> to the point of the Big Bang. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is, your clock is the slowest moving relative to where >>>>>>>> the Big Bang occurred in the entire universe. The only way >>>>>>>> that could happen is if your clock is not moving relative >>>>>>>> to where the Big Bang occurred. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is certainly a privileged position. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think that is what I said or implied. But I'm >>>>>>> responding to a half dozen people, and sometimes I respond >>>>>>> too fast to do much checking of what I'm writing. >>>>>> >>>>>> The quote is verbatim, and hardly open to interpretation. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The point of the Big Bang is the only known STATIONARY point >>>>>>> in the Big Bang universe. I am currently moving with the >>>>>>> earth as it spins, with the earth as it orbits the sun, and >>>>>>> with the sun as it orbits the center of the Milky Way galaxy. >>>>>>> So, I am far from being "stationary." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thus I am NOT "privileged." Others can go slower than me by >>>>>>> going in the opposite direction to the various orbits and >>>>>>> rotations. Others can go faster than me by using rockets or >>>>>>> other forms of energy driven vehicles to travel faster than >>>>>>> the orbits and rotations, or to simply move away from the >>>>>>> earth. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I'm not stationary relative to the Big Bang, then some >>>>>> clocks will be moving more slowly relative to the Big Bang than >>>>>> I am, and I should find that those clocks tick more quickly >>>>>> than mine does. That effect is noticeably absent. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sylvia. >>>>> >>>>> What do you mean "That effect is noticeably absent"? It happens >>>>> to clocks that are moving in the opposite direction to the >>>>> rotation of the earth. Sitting still, you are moving at one >>>>> speed relative to the point of the Big Bang, and the clock >>>>> traveling West is moving at a slower speed relative to the point >>>>> of the Big Bang. >>>>> >>>> >>>> This seems a truely bizarre assertion. I can't imagine why you'd >>>> think it was true. >>>> >>>> It would depend on how the centre of the Earth is moving relative >>>> to the Big Bang, and the effect the the rotation of the Earth on a >>>> particular point on the surface has on that movement. It would be >>>> affected by the time of the day, and time year. >>>> >>>> Your thinking on this seems incredibly muddled. >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> Sylvia, I agree that it depends upon how the center of the earth is >>> moving relative to the Big Bang, but the point is I would be RIGHT >>> under the right conditions. If you can figure out a time when the >>> earth is spinning in the same direction that it is orbiting the sun >>> AND the same time when the sun is orbiting the center of the Milky >>> Way, you can determine the time when you are moving at maximum >>> velocity relative to the point of the Big Bang. >>> >>> I was just arguing against the BELIEF that there is no "privileged >>> position" in the universe. There IS a "privileged position": it is >>> the point where the Big Bang occurred. >>> >>> Ed >>> >> >> So clocks on opposite sides of the world would be seen to gain and lose >> with respect to each other as the Earth turned. I'm pretty sure that >> would have been noticed if it were true. It would also totally mess up >> GPS, which is noticeably not messed up. >> >> Sylvia. > > Good point, Sylvia. It seems the problem would be on how to TEST that > hypothesis. The time differences are very very very very small. How small? Number please. > They have a hard time measuring such small difference in the rate of time > when they have clocks that are just feet or a few miles apart. They have > to connect the locations with fiber optic cable. How do you compare > clock tick rates when the clocks are on opposite sides of the earth? Or > on opposite sides of the Earth's orbit around the sun? Hmm. > > Ed > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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