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Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake.

Started by"HGW..." <hgw@....>
First post2017-07-09 12:50 +1000
Last post2017-08-20 14:31 -0700
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  Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-09 12:50 +1000
    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-08 19:52 -0700
      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-10 09:14 +1000
        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-09 16:58 -0700
          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-10 19:09 +0000
            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-11 11:00 +1000
    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-11 11:04 +1000
      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-11 19:27 +1000
        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-11 14:58 +0000
          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Vern Garriott <verg@entweoe.te> - 2017-07-11 16:29 +0000
          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-12 08:06 +1000
            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-12 10:41 +1000
              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-12 11:31 +1000
                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-12 13:06 +1000
                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-07-12 21:17 +1000
                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-13 09:10 +1000
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-13 09:25 +1000
                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-13 11:41 +1000
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-14 19:39 +1000
                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-13 22:30 -0500
                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-07-12 10:46 -0500
                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Laverne Chandler <uunvvnh@ewdnrawe.ee> - 2017-07-12 22:10 +0000
                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-13 09:40 +1000
                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-13 11:44 +1000
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-15 08:26 +1000
                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-14 18:53 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-16 18:56 +1000
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-16 11:08 +0000
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-16 04:36 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-16 11:49 +0000
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-17 09:19 +1000
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-16 16:51 -0700
                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-18 09:04 +1000
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-17 18:59 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-17 19:23 -0700
                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-17 20:02 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-19 09:23 +1000
                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-07-18 16:27 -0700
                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-18 17:04 -0700
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 17:36 -0700
                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-22 09:17 +1000
                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 21:34 -0700
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Kurt Larrabee <arb@twraa.ab> - 2017-07-22 12:26 +0000
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-23 15:16 +1000
                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Huuouka Tokoji <ktukjoau@huywkoyu.uu> - 2017-07-23 14:51 +0000
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-24 12:11 +1000
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-24 08:00 +0000
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-25 08:40 +1000
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-24 22:55 +0000
                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-23 17:17 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-24 12:10 +1000
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-23 20:29 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-25 09:15 +1000
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-25 01:48 +0000
                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-25 12:04 +1000
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-25 13:58 +0000
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-24 20:27 -0500
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-25 12:15 +1000
                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-24 20:24 -0700
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-25 15:01 +1000
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. anne <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 04:39 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-25 05:06 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-26 12:16 +1000
                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 20:32 -0500
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-26 12:22 +1000
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-24 20:23 +0000
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-24 09:16 +0200
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-25 08:56 +1000
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-24 23:04 +0000
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-27 14:33 +0200
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-28 09:55 +1000
                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-29 11:08 +0200
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 10:32 +1000
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-30 13:57 +0200
                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-31 10:27 +1000
                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-07-30 17:34 -0700
                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-30 23:15 -0700
                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-01 11:48 -0700
                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-31 10:43 +0200
                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-01 09:16 +1000
                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-08-01 11:08 +0200
    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 21:04 -0700
      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-21 19:37 +1000
        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 05:34 -0700
          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-22 15:30 +1000
            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 06:24 -0700
              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. anne <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 13:51 -0700
                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 14:13 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-23 16:46 +1000
                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-23 08:02 -0700
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-24 12:20 +1000
                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-23 20:43 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-07-24 11:22 +0200
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-24 02:27 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-24 04:51 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 10:56 -0500
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-25 14:01 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-25 09:21 +1000
              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-23 16:55 +1000
                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-23 08:28 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 11:01 -0500
                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-25 14:02 -0700
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 16:19 -0700
                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-24 12:14 +1000
                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-23 20:25 -0700
                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-26 13:28 +1000
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 06:41 -0700
                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-07-26 17:23 +0200
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 15:02 -0700
                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-27 11:31 +1000
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-26 22:49 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 15:30 -0700
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 06:23 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-27 08:22 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-27 09:06 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 17:20 -0700
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-27 18:57 -0700
                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 04:03 -0700
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-28 14:56 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-29 08:53 +1000
                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-28 19:23 -0700
                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 09:15 +1000
                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-30 02:20 +0000
                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 19:01 +1000
                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-31 14:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-01 09:20 +1000
                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-01 03:48 -0700
                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-02 08:27 +1000
                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-01 15:51 -0700
                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-02 20:10 +1000
                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:33 -0500
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-03 06:51 +1000
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 10:28 -0500
                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-04 12:02 +1000
                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-02 17:40 -0700
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-02 23:40 -0700
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-04 12:16 +1000
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-03 20:08 -0700
                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-03 06:44 -0700
                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-03 08:21 -0700
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-06 03:11 -0700
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-06 05:28 -0700
                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-07 10:08 +1000
                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-06 18:17 -0700
                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-07 17:46 +1000
                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-07 05:13 -0700
                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-04 12:47 +1000
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-04 09:33 -0400
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-05 08:44 +1000
                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-04 16:26 -0700
                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-06 00:11 -0700
                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 16:27 -0700
                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-05 07:22 -0700
                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-06 09:02 +1000
                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-05 19:37 -0700
                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-07 09:46 +1000
                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-06 18:08 -0700
                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-06 22:36 -0700
                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-07 04:54 -0700
                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 14:08 -0500
                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 14:24 -0700
                                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 16:47 -0500
                                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-07 19:40 -0700
                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 11:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 04:40 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-08 06:37 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 08:24 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-08 08:42 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Winfred Tucker <cnt@iiefeer.dc> - 2017-08-08 15:44 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 14:07 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Winfred Tucker <cnt@iiefeer.dc> - 2017-08-08 21:40 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 14:06 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-08 15:36 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-09 09:40 +1000
                                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-08 20:59 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-09 20:45 +1000
                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 07:26 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-09 19:00 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 19:34 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 05:03 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 05:52 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 07:52 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 09:30 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 12:18 -0500
                                                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-10 10:51 -0700
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                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-11 08:14 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 16:19 -0700
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                                                                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-11 19:10 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-09 18:55 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-11 08:17 +1000
                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Winfred Tucker <cnt@iiefeer.dc> - 2017-08-10 23:12 +0000
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                                                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 17:17 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-08 21:11 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 01:00 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:32 -0500
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                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Winfred Tucker <cnt@iiefeer.dc> - 2017-08-09 15:34 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 10:18 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 12:09 -0500
                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-09 10:40 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 12:11 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-09 08:42 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-09 18:52 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 09:20 -0500
                                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 08:30 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 12:07 -0500
                                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 10:32 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 14:54 -0500
                                                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 17:53 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 01:34 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-10 11:06 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 05:47 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 11:58 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 14:57 -0500
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                                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-10 11:07 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 05:49 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-10 15:07 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 06:28 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-10 15:37 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 06:44 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-10 15:50 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 07:44 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-10 17:11 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 09:31 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-08-11 12:05 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-12 07:24 +1000
                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 19:11 -0700
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                                                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 10:22 -0500
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                                                                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 16:34 -0500
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                                                                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 18:09 -0500
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                                                                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-11 13:27 -0500
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                                                                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-10 08:55 -0500
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                                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-07 23:52 -0700
                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-08 11:26 +0000
                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-08 07:03 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-09 03:02 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-08 20:22 -0700
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                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-08-06 23:29 -0700
                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-07 17:54 +1000
                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-06 07:18 -0700
                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-07 09:44 +1000
                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-06 17:53 -0700
                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-07 17:53 +1000
                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Earline Loar <ureoo@wwarao.ei> - 2017-08-07 08:47 +0000
                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-07 05:43 -0700
                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-08 08:53 +1000
                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-02 18:05 +0000
                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-03 06:56 +1000
                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 10:28 -0500
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-04 20:04 +0000
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 16:14 -0700
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-28 06:21 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-28 09:32 +1000
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 17:31 -0700
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-28 12:03 +1000
                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 04:06 -0700
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-28 21:39 +1000
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 06:16 -0700
                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-29 11:07 +1000
                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 22:48 -0700
                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-29 16:10 +1000
                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-29 06:02 -0700
                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-30 12:26 +1000
                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-29 23:46 -0700
                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-30 17:28 +1000
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 07:00 -0700
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-31 11:19 +1000
                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 21:21 -0700
                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-31 15:34 +1000
                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 04:03 -0700
                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-31 22:10 +1000
                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-31 05:35 -0700
                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-30 21:50 -0700
                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-31 15:47 +1000
                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 04:19 -0700
                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-31 22:34 +1000
                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 15:49 -0700
                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-01 10:55 +1000
                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 20:34 -0700
                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-01 14:05 +1000
                                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 21:17 -0700
                                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-01 14:44 +1000
                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-01 06:12 -0700
                                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-01 15:57 -0700
                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-02 11:55 +1000
                                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:18 -0500
                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-03 06:46 +1000
                                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-03 13:19 +1000
                                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. shuba <thailao2558@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 01:42 -0700
                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-31 23:26 -0700
                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-02 02:49 -0700
                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-02 21:55 +1000
                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 10:00 -0500
                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 09:30 +1000
                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-30 12:20 +1000
                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 18:56 +1000
                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-30 20:43 +1000
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-31 10:31 +1000
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-31 11:20 +1000
                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-01 09:35 +1000
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-31 14:18 +0000
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-07-30 23:06 -0700
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-01 09:27 +1000
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-01 11:56 -0700
                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-30 03:49 +0000
                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-30 18:58 +1000
                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-31 14:14 +0000
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-01 10:58 +1000
                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-30 10:41 +0000
                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-02 02:47 -0700
                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-02 22:04 +1000
                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Nicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be> - 2017-08-03 08:40 -0700
                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 09:31 -0700
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-04 11:57 +1000
                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-04 12:26 +1000
                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 21:58 -0700
                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-04 15:31 +1000
                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 07:34 -0700
                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-05 14:13 +1000
                                                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 22:32 -0700
                                                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-05 16:15 +1000
                                                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 06:42 -0700
                                                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-08-06 13:03 +1000
                                                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-05 22:11 -0700
                                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-05 08:09 +1000
                                                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 22:06 -0700
                                                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-07 10:18 +1000
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-28 14:06 +0000
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-29 08:59 +1000
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-27 20:16 +1000
                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-27 20:23 +1000
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-28 10:00 +1000
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-30 19:10 +0200
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-07-30 17:39 +0000
                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-24 08:12 +0000
                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-25 09:32 +1000
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-25 10:48 +0000
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Ernard Hevalier <adrdo@tarlaab.lr> - 2017-07-25 10:52 +0000
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 11:03 -0500
                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-26 12:25 +1000
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-26 13:24 -0500
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-27 20:18 +1000
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 10:48 -0500
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-28 10:10 +1000
                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-26 13:15 +1000
                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-27 20:27 +1000
        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-22 05:48 -0700
          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 11:04 -0500
            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-25 09:16 -0700
              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-25 12:16 -0500
                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-27 19:56 +1000
                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-27 06:04 -0700
                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-27 10:43 -0500
                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-28 10:25 +1000
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-28 01:55 +0000
                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-27 19:03 -0700
                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-28 18:49 +1000
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-28 14:01 +0000
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-07-28 14:49 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-07-29 09:21 +1000
                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 11:40 +0000
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-07-31 05:34 -0700
                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-07-31 05:51 -0700
                              Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-07-31 10:05 -0500
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-01 09:46 +1000
                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:05 -0500
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-03 07:09 +1000
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-08-02 15:54 -0700
                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-03 10:06 +1000
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 10:28 -0500
                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-04 12:25 +1000
                                          Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-04 02:38 +0000
                                            Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-08-05 08:37 +1000
                                Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-01 06:10 -0700
                                  Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-02 10:05 -0500
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-02 13:52 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Jeèným Ludnými <hovae@ieuuio.org> - 2017-08-02 22:24 +0000
                                        Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-03 07:06 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 10:27 -0500
                                    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-03 06:47 -0700
                                      Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-03 10:27 -0500
    Re: Einstein's RoS Exposed as Blatant Fake. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-08-20 14:31 -0700

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#426858

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2017-08-02 11:55 +1000
Message-ID<eucpodFrpsvU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#426855
On 2/08/2017 8:57 AM, Robert Winn wrote:
> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 9:44:21 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 1/08/2017 2:17 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>
>>>> If I take an ordinary accurate clock and an ordinary accurate
>>>> metre rule, and measure the time and location of some events in my
>>>> frame, and you do the same (for the same events) in your frame,
>>>> then I can apply the Lorentz transform to my measurements, and
>>>> calculate what your measurements are. The transform does this
>>>> correctly and precisely. How can you argue that it is wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> I don't argue at all.  I just use the Galilean transformation
>>> equations because they are the correct equations for relativity.  Now
>>> I have noticed one thing about scientists.  They can make any
>>> experimental data fit the Lorentz equations combined with the
>>> equations of General Relativity because one offsets the other to
>>> obtain exactly what scientists are seeking to find. Except for one
>>> thing.  A slower clock and a faster clock do not result in the same
>>> speed between frames of reference.  There is no experiment showing
>>> that it does.  A slower clock results in a faster velocity, and a
>>> faster clock results in a slower velocity, which is what the Galilean
>>> transformation equations show.  Sorry, scientists, but you are using
>>> the wrong equations.
>>>
>>
>> You seem to be fixated on this notion of slower and faster clocks.
>>
>> If I go to the shop and buy some accurate clocks and metre rules, and
>> then board the relativity express (and wait for it to accelerate to some
>> relativistic speed), I'll feel just the same as I always did. The shape
>> of the carriage will look unchanged. If I measure it using my metre
>> rules, it will have have same length, width and height that it always
>> did. I'll feel the need to sleep every time my clocks show an additional
>> twenty four hours, and I'll need to sleep for a period that my clocks
>> show as about eight hours. In short, there will be nothing to suggest to
>> me that anything about my metre rules and clocks has changed. So,
>> naturally, I'll take their readings at face value when I do experiments.
>> Why would I do anything else?
>>
>> Someone who stayed at the railway station with similar clocks and metre
>> rules will of course also find nothing to suggest that their clocks and
>> metre rules have changed, and will also take their readings at face
>> value when they do experiments.
>>
>> That seems entirely reasonable, does it not?
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> Well, I can tell you what is going to happen.  If you define a second as a certain number of transitions of a cesium atom, and then you have cesium atoms transitioning at different rates because of differences in motion, gravitation, etc., as scientists say they have in these experiments, then if you do not convert times to a common standard, you are going to end up with a length contraction.  So scientists say, We have discovered a length contraction.  It is beyond feeble minded.  So then I post the correct equations, two sets of Galilean transformation equations, and all scientists unite in crying, Blasphemy, there is no length contraction.
> So it does not appear to me that this conversation is going to continue much longer.
> Thank you for sharing.
> 

You seem to want relativity to say something that it doesn't so that you 
can claim to have got the right answer.

Relativity does NOT say that things happen at different rates because of 
motion or gravitation. On the contrary, it says that they stay the same. 
The laws of physics are the same in all inertial frames. Nothing about 
an object is altered as a consequence of its velocity. That is the 
essence of my description above about what I would experience on the 
relativity express. Nothing contracts, time continues to elapse at the 
same rate it always did, and so on. Moving at high velocities is boring.

Sylvia

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#426907

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-02 10:18 -0500
Message-ID<olsqfk$1l3s$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426855
On 8/1/17 5:57 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
> if you do not convert times to a common standard, you are going to end up with a length contraction.  So scientists say, We have discovered a length 
> contraction.  It is beyond feeble minded.

You have it backwards. Length contraction was predicted until it was 
actually observed, and at the time of observation it became discovered, 
and there is nothing feeble minded about that in the least.


-- 
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#426964

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-08-03 06:46 +1000
Message-ID<oltdnm$mun$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426907
On 03/08/17 01:18, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/1/17 5:57 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
>> if you do not convert times to a common standard, you are going to end 
>> up with a length contraction.  So scientists say, We have discovered a 
>> length contraction.  It is beyond feeble minded.
> 
> You have it backwards. Length contraction was predicted until it was 
> actually observed, and at the time of observation it became discovered, 
> and there is nothing feeble minded about that in the least.

You have it back to front and up to shit. It was never observed and only 
predicted out of desperation.



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#426995

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2017-08-03 13:19 +1000
Message-ID<eufj28Fgpt0U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#426907
On 3/08/2017 1:18 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 8/1/17 5:57 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
>> if you do not convert times to a common standard, you are going to end 
>> up with a length contraction.  So scientists say, We have discovered a 
>> length contraction.  It is beyond feeble minded.
> 
> You have it backwards. Length contraction was predicted until it was 
> actually observed, and at the time of observation it became discovered, 
> and there is nothing feeble minded about that in the least.
> 
> 

Looks like he's gone off to sulk now, given that we're clearly not going 
to recognise him as genius he thinks he is.

He seems to be another of those individuals who've grossly misunderstood 
relativity, and invested so much in their "alternative theory" that 
they're now emotionally incapable of seeing where they went wrong.

Sylvia.

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#427008

Fromshuba <thailao2558@gmail.com>
Date2017-08-03 01:42 -0700
Message-ID<4b8957c9-559c-4109-be82-332d7892be22@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#426995
Sylvia Else wrote:

> He seems to be another of those individuals who've 
> grossly misunderstood relativity, and invested so 
> much in their "alternative theory" that they're 
> now emotionally incapable of seeing where they 
> went wrong.

Nope, nothing that involved. Winn is simply trolling, and has never had an honest interest in relativity or transformation equations.


         ---Tim Shuba---

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#426785

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2017-07-31 23:26 -0700
Message-ID<86780122-c4ba-4a0c-8ad9-1f043c17ecc0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#426753
W dniu wtorek, 1 sierpnia 2017 02:55:12 UTC+2 użytkownik Sylvia Else napisał:
> On 1/08/2017 8:49 AM, Robert Winn wrote:
> > On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 5:34:16 AM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> On 31/07/2017 9:19 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
> >>> Now scientists have already agreed that a clock in S' or S" can have a different rate than a clock in S.  They say they have shown that by experiment.
> >>
> >> I've cut out everything else here because I think it's worth just
> >> focusing on that statement.
> >>
> >> The modern view of relativity is that it does not describe anything
> >> happening to moving clocks. The clock in S' is observed to run slow in
> >> S, but that's not because the clock in S' actually is running slow, but
> >> is a consequence projecting the space-time of S' onto the space-time of
> >> S. The shadow cast by a rod is a projection of the rod, and its length
> >> will usually differ from that of the rod. This is not taken to mean that
> >> anything's happened to the rod.
> >>
> >> So despite how it appears in S, the clock in S' is doing what it always
> >> did (if it's a good clock), which is to indicate the passage of one
> >> second every time one second passes in S'.
> >>
> >> This also allows the required symmetry without creating any
> >> contradiction. In S, the clock in S' *appears* to run more slowly than
> >> the clock in S. In S', the clock in S *appears* to run more slowly than
> >> the clock in S'.
> >>
> >> Sylvia.
> > 
> > Well, scientists believe in shadows, reflections, etc.  I was searching for something more definite.  For instance, we could ask, when the clock on earth says six o clock, what does the clock on the airplane say?
> > Do you Einstein disciples have an answer to a question like that?
> > But the Galilean transformation equations do have an answer.  All we need to know is how much faster or slower the clock on the airplane is, and we can calculate the time of that clock when the clock on earth says six o clock.
> > See the advantage of being able to do that?
> > 
> 
> It would be even simpler if all clocks just showed the same time.
> 
> But they don't

Yes, they do. Check at GPS.

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#426881

FromNicolaas Vroom <nicolaas.vroom@pandora.be>
Date2017-08-02 02:49 -0700
Message-ID<b362415d-158b-4730-86ac-2908bf9ed9d7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#426653
On Monday, 31 July 2017 03:19:53 UTC+2, Sylvia Else  wrote:
> On 31/07/2017 12:00 AM, Robert Winn wrote: 
> > Well, for purposes of this discussion, I said that S' was the frame
> > of reference with the slower clock. Einstein was the first one to
> > make that stipulation.   Now a scientist such as yourself would
> > immediately argue, but from S', the clock in S is slower.  That is
> > not what the Galilean transformation equations show.  In the Galilean
> > transformation equations, the slow clock is where it was originally
> > said to be, in S'. So go ahead and show your proof that the Galilean
> > transformation equations are wrong.
> 
> If we had two trains running in opposite directions, at the same speed, 
> relative to our initial observer (in S). Let them be S' and S''. So the 
> clocks in S' and S'' have to be running at the same slower rate.

This in in essence the same as this experiment:
"Place a light source between two mirrors. 
This source emits one flash, which will be reflected
against the two mirrors (this are the two simultaneous events). The 
observer P (at rest) will observe both reflections at the same time.
Now we perform the same experiment in each in two moving trains. 
Observer P' will claim that in his case the two events are simultaneous. 
Observer P'' will claim the same."
When observer P sees the two reflections this defines one tick of a clock.
The same for observer P' and P''. For a mathematical description see:
http://users.telenet.be/nicvroom/wik_Time_dilation.htm#ref1
 
> So now let them measure the speed of a ray of light running from top to 
> bottom and back again in S'. 

This is a very tricky excersice. How do you want to measure this speed? 
We already know that a clock in S' runs slower than a clock in S, based
on the concept that the speed of light is everywhere the same.

> They have to conclude that it takes the 
> same time, but in S'' the ray travels a larger distance. Thus they reach 
> different conclusions about the speed of the ray. This is inconsistent 
> with the experimental results that say the speed of a ray of light is 
> the same for all observers.
I do not think that this is the result of an experiment but a postulate.
You have a point in the sense (if that is what you mean), that from the 
point of view of S' the clocks in both S and S'' are running slow. 
(and from S'' both S and S' are running slow).

This is the same as the previous question I raised: 
	Who is correct? P, P', P'' or P'''?
 
Nicloaas Vroom

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#426885

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2017-08-02 21:55 +1000
Message-ID<eudstgF4r6mU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#426881
On 2/08/2017 7:49 PM, Nicolaas Vroom wrote:
> On Monday, 31 July 2017 03:19:53 UTC+2, Sylvia Else  wrote:
>> On 31/07/2017 12:00 AM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>> Well, for purposes of this discussion, I said that S' was the frame
>>> of reference with the slower clock. Einstein was the first one to
>>> make that stipulation.   Now a scientist such as yourself would
>>> immediately argue, but from S', the clock in S is slower.  That is
>>> not what the Galilean transformation equations show.  In the Galilean
>>> transformation equations, the slow clock is where it was originally
>>> said to be, in S'. So go ahead and show your proof that the Galilean
>>> transformation equations are wrong.
>>
>> If we had two trains running in opposite directions, at the same speed,
>> relative to our initial observer (in S). Let them be S' and S''. So the
>> clocks in S' and S'' have to be running at the same slower rate.
> 
> This in in essence the same as this experiment:
> "Place a light source between two mirrors.
> This source emits one flash, which will be reflected
> against the two mirrors (this are the two simultaneous events). The
> observer P (at rest) will observe both reflections at the same time.
> Now we perform the same experiment in each in two moving trains.
> Observer P' will claim that in his case the two events are simultaneous.
> Observer P'' will claim the same."
> When observer P sees the two reflections this defines one tick of a clock.
> The same for observer P' and P''. For a mathematical description see:
> http://users.telenet.be/nicvroom/wik_Time_dilation.htm#ref1
>   
>> So now let them measure the speed of a ray of light running from top to
>> bottom and back again in S'.
> 
> This is a very tricky excersice. How do you want to measure this speed?
> We already know that a clock in S' runs slower than a clock in S, based
> on the concept that the speed of light is everywhere the same.
> 
>> They have to conclude that it takes the
>> same time, but in S'' the ray travels a larger distance. Thus they reach
>> different conclusions about the speed of the ray. This is inconsistent
>> with the experimental results that say the speed of a ray of light is
>> the same for all observers.
> I do not think that this is the result of an experiment but a postulate.
> You have a point in the sense (if that is what you mean), that from the
> point of view of S' the clocks in both S and S'' are running slow.
> (and from S'' both S and S' are running slow).
> 
> This is the same as the previous question I raised:
> 	Who is correct? P, P', P'' or P'''?
>   
> Nicloaas Vroom
> 

It should be noted that I'm trying to discuss the situation as it is 
according to Winn, and showing that that leads to a contradiction.

SR, of course, addresses these scenarios without difficulty.

Sylvia.

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#426698

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-31 10:00 -0500
Message-ID<olngmn$15ki$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426590
On 7/30/17 1:46 AM, Robert Winn wrote:
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 7:26:44 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 29/07/2017 11:02 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 11:11:02 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 29/07/2017 3:48 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 6:07:11 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 28/07/2017 11:16 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 28, 2017 at 4:39:49 AM UTC-7,
>>> Well, I was not toying with you.  I discussed this with a university professor years ago.  There is no contradiction.  What you people in science are doing is using two different rates of time in the same set of Galilean transformation equations.
>>    What happens when you do that is that you end up with a length
>> contraction.
>>
>> Really - you see no contradiction in the scenario as I've described it?
>> It's totally symmetrical yet if the balls land simultaneously for one
>> observer, they cannot possibly land simultaneously for the other, so the
>>    two observers cannot possibly see the same outcome. No amount of
>> fudging with the definition of the second or hand waving about length
>> contraction will address that.
>>
>> The resolution, of course, is quite obvious, but despite your claimed
>> expertise, you're blind to it.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> The two observers cannot possibly see anything but the same outcome.  

You're going to have to be very careful about this statement. See below.

> A clock in S' is slower than a clock in S no matter which observer is measuring the times of the clocks.  

But this is not always the case. It is true in SOME cases, but certainly 
not always, not to the degree where the aphorism above would be correct.

> That is what the Galilean transformation equations show.  

> If two events are simultaneous in one frame of reference, they are simultaneous in the other.  

That is CERTAINLY not true. Simultaneity is like the property of being 
at rest. It is not a frame-independent conclusion.

> That is what the Galilean transformation equations show.  Did I mention that the Galilean transformation equations are the correct equations to describe relativity?
> 


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#426570

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-30 09:30 +1000
Message-ID<olj5qr$jaa$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426506
On 29/07/17 16:10, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 29/07/2017 3:48 PM, Robert Winn wrote:

> 
> Consider two trains in relative movement. Each has an observer and a 
> ball which is initially held high. When the motion of the trains brings 
> the balls next to each other, the balls are released to fall under 
> gravity[*] Now, you might expect the balls to land on the respective 
> train floors simultaneously. Problem is, that would have to be for each 
> observer, and spatially separated events that are simultaneous in one 
> frame cannot be simultaneous in a frame that has motion in the direction 
> between the events.

Simultaneity has nothing to do with light or what separated people might 
'see'. If the two balls were dropped simultaneously by means of a 
mechanical system, the two events can be assumed to be simultaneous in 
all frames, even though they wont appear to be because of information's 
finite travel time. That should be obvious....

> If I were a relativity denier, I'd now be going on about how the 
> situation is symmetrical (which it is), and how I'd found a huge 
> contradiction in special relativity (which I haven't).
> 
> Over to you.
> 
> Sylvia.
> 
> [*] I was toying with you earlier - while the observers are not 
> inertial, they don't move up or down in the gravitational field, so 
> gravity doesn't matter for this purpose.

What a lying confused hypocrite you are. Next you will be telling us 
that GPS clocks WHICH ARE NOT INERTIAL and muons in a ring WHICH ARE NOT 
INERTIAL all obey Einstein's shitty theory.



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#426579

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2017-07-30 12:20 +1000
Message-ID<eu4u42F32ooU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#426570
On 30/07/2017 9:30 AM, HGW... wrote:
> On 29/07/17 16:10, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 29/07/2017 3:48 PM, Robert Winn wrote:
> 
>>
>> Consider two trains in relative movement. Each has an observer and a 
>> ball which is initially held high. When the motion of the trains 
>> brings the balls next to each other, the balls are released to fall 
>> under gravity[*] Now, you might expect the balls to land on the 
>> respective train floors simultaneously. Problem is, that would have to 
>> be for each observer, and spatially separated events that are 
>> simultaneous in one frame cannot be simultaneous in a frame that has 
>> motion in the direction between the events.
> 
> Simultaneity has nothing to do with light or what separated people might 
> 'see'. If the two balls were dropped simultaneously by means of a 
> mechanical system, the two events can be assumed to be simultaneous in 
> all frames, even though they wont appear to be because of information's 
> finite travel time. That should be obvious....
> 
>> If I were a relativity denier, I'd now be going on about how the 
>> situation is symmetrical (which it is), and how I'd found a huge 
>> contradiction in special relativity (which I haven't).
>>
>> Over to you.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>>
>> [*] I was toying with you earlier - while the observers are not 
>> inertial, they don't move up or down in the gravitational field, so 
>> gravity doesn't matter for this purpose.
> 
> What a lying confused hypocrite you are. Next you will be telling us 
> that GPS clocks WHICH ARE NOT INERTIAL and muons in a ring WHICH ARE NOT 
> INERTIAL all obey Einstein's shitty theory.
> 

GPS clocks (which are on satellites) are inertial. The users of the 
system (on the ground) are not.

It doesn't matter whether the muons are inertial, because they are not 
doing experiments.

Sylvia.
> 
> 

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#426593

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-30 18:56 +1000
Message-ID<olk704$1sll$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426579
On 30/07/17 12:20, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 30/07/2017 9:30 AM, HGW... wrote:

>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> [*] I was toying with you earlier - while the observers are not 
>>> inertial, they don't move up or down in the gravitational field, so 
>>> gravity doesn't matter for this purpose.
>>
>> What a lying confused hypocrite you are. Next you will be telling us 
>> that GPS clocks WHICH ARE NOT INERTIAL and muons in a ring WHICH ARE 
>> NOT INERTIAL all obey Einstein's shitty theory.
>>
> 
> GPS clocks (which are on satellites) are inertial. The users of the 
> system (on the ground) are not.

they aren't inertial they are in orbit. They are experiencing a constant 
acceleration.

> It doesn't matter whether the muons are inertial, because they are not 
> doing experiments.

The muons in a ring are claimed to be living longer because of 
Einstein's prediction. The real reason is that they are experiencing 
extreme magnetic forces.

> Sylvia.
>>
>>
> 


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#426603

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2017-07-30 20:43 +1000
Message-ID<eu5rifF99uuU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#426593
On 30/07/2017 6:56 PM, HGW... wrote:
> On 30/07/17 12:20, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 30/07/2017 9:30 AM, HGW... wrote:
> 
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> [*] I was toying with you earlier - while the observers are not 
>>>> inertial, they don't move up or down in the gravitational field, so 
>>>> gravity doesn't matter for this purpose.
>>>
>>> What a lying confused hypocrite you are. Next you will be telling us 
>>> that GPS clocks WHICH ARE NOT INERTIAL and muons in a ring WHICH ARE 
>>> NOT INERTIAL all obey Einstein's shitty theory.
>>>
>>
>> GPS clocks (which are on satellites) are inertial. The users of the 
>> system (on the ground) are not.
> 
> they aren't inertial they are in orbit. They are experiencing a constant 
> acceleration.

A object in free fall is in an inertial frame.

> 
>> It doesn't matter whether the muons are inertial, because they are not 
>> doing experiments.
> 
> The muons in a ring are claimed to be living longer because of 
> Einstein's prediction. The real reason is that they are experiencing 
> extreme magnetic forces.

Magnetic forces cause time-dilation? That's a new one.

Sylvia.

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#426648

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-07-31 10:31 +1000
Message-ID<olltos$mcp$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426603
On 30/07/17 20:43, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 30/07/2017 6:56 PM, HGW... wrote:

>>>> 
>>>> What a lying confused hypocrite you are. Next you will be
>>>> telling us that GPS clocks WHICH ARE NOT INERTIAL and muons in
>>>> a ring WHICH ARE NOT INERTIAL all obey Einstein's shitty
>>>> theory.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> GPS clocks (which are on satellites) are inertial. The users of
>>> the system (on the ground) are not.
>> 
>> they aren't inertial they are in orbit. They are experiencing a 
>> constant acceleration.
> 
> A object in free fall is in an inertial frame.

Nobody here seems to agree on whether that is true or not.

>>> It doesn't matter whether the muons are inertial, because they
>>> are not doing experiments.
>> 
>> The muons in a ring are claimed to be living longer because of 
>> Einstein's prediction. The real reason is that they are
>> experiencing extreme magnetic forces.
> 
> Magnetic forces cause time-dilation? That's a new one.

There is no time dilation. The muons are physically squashed by the
field and so don't fall apart so easily.
What is the true half life of a muon anyway?

> Sylvia.


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#426654

FromSylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Date2017-07-31 11:20 +1000
Message-ID<eu7evlFko2rU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#426648
On 31/07/2017 10:31 AM, HGW... wrote:
> On 30/07/17 20:43, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 30/07/2017 6:56 PM, HGW... wrote:
> 
>>>>>
>>>>> What a lying confused hypocrite you are. Next you will be
>>>>> telling us that GPS clocks WHICH ARE NOT INERTIAL and muons in
>>>>> a ring WHICH ARE NOT INERTIAL all obey Einstein's shitty
>>>>> theory.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> GPS clocks (which are on satellites) are inertial. The users of
>>>> the system (on the ground) are not.
>>>
>>> they aren't inertial they are in orbit. They are experiencing a 
>>> constant acceleration.
>>
>> A object in free fall is in an inertial frame.
> 
> Nobody here seems to agree on whether that is true or not.

I can't see how that can be possible. It's either true or it's not. If 
three people express a view, then at least two of them have to agree.

Sylvia.

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#426745

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-08-01 09:35 +1000
Message-ID<oloes5$r4e$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426654
On 31/07/17 11:20, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 31/07/2017 10:31 AM, HGW... wrote:

>>>> they aren't inertial they are in orbit. They are experiencing a 
>>>> constant acceleration.
>>>
>>> A object in free fall is in an inertial frame.
>>
>> Nobody here seems to agree on whether that is true or not.
> 
> I can't see how that can be possible. It's either true or it's not. 

...third possibility: it is a stupid statement.

Every object in the universe, whether in free fall or not, is in an 
infinity number of inertial and non-inertial frames.
Why don't you learn some basic physics so you can stop making a fool of 
yourself?
All you dingleberries have one feature in common. You can never get the 
physics right.


> If 
> three people express a view, then at least two of them have to agree.

When the three are yourself, Bodkin and Moron-y, I doubt if that is true.

> Sylvia.
> 


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#426695

Frommoroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Date2017-07-31 14:18 +0000
Message-ID<olne6s$q0j$5@pcls7.std.com>
In reply to#426648
"HGW..." <hgw@....> writes:

>On 30/07/17 20:43, Sylvia Else wrote:

>>> The muons in a ring are claimed to be living longer because of 
>>> Einstein's prediction. The real reason is that they are
>>> experiencing extreme magnetic forces.
>> 
>> Magnetic forces cause time-dilation? That's a new one.

>There is no time dilation. The muons are physically squashed by the
>field and so don't fall apart so easily.

Tell us, Ralph, how the (earth's?) magnetic field squashes atmospheric
muons enough so that they live 10+ times longer!

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#426672

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2017-07-30 23:06 -0700
Message-ID<597EC8E4.7043@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#426603
Sylvia Else wrote:
> 
> On 30/07/2017 6:56 PM, HGW... wrote:
> > On 30/07/17 12:20, Sylvia Else wrote:
> >> On 30/07/2017 9:30 AM, HGW... wrote:
> >
> >>>>
> >>>> Sylvia.
> >>>>
> >>>> [*] I was toying with you earlier - while the observers are not
> >>>> inertial, they don't move up or down in the gravitational field, so
> >>>> gravity doesn't matter for this purpose.
> >>>
> >>> What a lying confused hypocrite you are. Next you will be telling us
> >>> that GPS clocks WHICH ARE NOT INERTIAL and muons in a ring WHICH ARE
> >>> NOT INERTIAL all obey Einstein's shitty theory.
> >>>
> >>
> >> GPS clocks (which are on satellites) are inertial. The users of the
> >> system (on the ground) are not.
> >
> > they aren't inertial they are in orbit. They are experiencing a constant
> > acceleration.
> 
> A object in free fall is in an inertial frame.



falling up or falling down? i mean, which way is the object falling?? is
it falling upward or is it falling downward??? i mean...in order for a
object to fall
it had to be at a higher level...and being at a higher level, it tipped
over by some force...otherwise
it never fell...it wasn't a free fall..it was pushed to fall, otherwise
it's not falling.

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#426744

From"HGW..." <hgw@....>
Date2017-08-01 09:27 +1000
Message-ID<oloedj$qgu$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#426672
On 31/07/17 16:06, The Starmaker wrote:
> Sylvia Else wrote:

>> A object in free fall is in an inertial frame.
> 
> 
> 
> falling up or falling down? i mean, which way is the object falling?? is
> it falling upward or is it falling downward??? i mean...in order for a
> object to fall
> it had to be at a higher level...and being at a higher level, it tipped
> over by some force...otherwise
> it never fell...it wasn't a free fall..it was pushed to fall, otherwise
> it's not falling.

Good point....
Every remote star in the universe is accelerating in some way due to 
complex gravity field and is free to move without restriction. Its own 
mass inhibits acceleration. It isn't going up, down, sideways...or even 
inside out.


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#426829

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2017-08-01 11:56 -0700
Message-ID<5980CECD.29E0@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#426672
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Sylvia Else wrote:
> >
> > On 30/07/2017 6:56 PM, HGW... wrote:
> > > On 30/07/17 12:20, Sylvia Else wrote:
> > >> On 30/07/2017 9:30 AM, HGW... wrote:
> > >
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sylvia.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [*] I was toying with you earlier - while the observers are not
> > >>>> inertial, they don't move up or down in the gravitational field, so
> > >>>> gravity doesn't matter for this purpose.
> > >>>
> > >>> What a lying confused hypocrite you are. Next you will be telling us
> > >>> that GPS clocks WHICH ARE NOT INERTIAL and muons in a ring WHICH ARE
> > >>> NOT INERTIAL all obey Einstein's shitty theory.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> GPS clocks (which are on satellites) are inertial. The users of the
> > >> system (on the ground) are not.
> > >
> > > they aren't inertial they are in orbit. They are experiencing a constant
> > > acceleration.
> >
> > A object in free fall is in an inertial frame.
> 
> falling up or falling down? i mean, which way is the object falling?? is
> it falling upward or is it falling downward??? i mean...in order for a
> object to fall
> it had to be at a higher level...and being at a higher level, it tipped
> over by some force...otherwise
> it never fell...it wasn't a free fall..it was pushed to fall, otherwise
> it's not falling.



But it is not a free fall in an inertial frame...

the object moving in a straight line is simply on a ...conveyor belt.


In other words, every object is situated on a conveyor belt on it's way to it's destination.

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