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  Apollo 11........J8a numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-06-08 16:11 -0700
    Re: Apollo 11........J8a Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 17:57 -0700
    Re: Apollo 11........J8a Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-06-10 20:42 +0200

#422002 — Apollo 11........J8a

The Apollo 11 mission did not land on the surface of the moon since the lunar lander does not contain the minimum amount of rocket fuel required in descending the lander onto the surface of the moon using a descent rocket re-entry. Using the analogy that the amount of fuel required to launch a payload into orbit is approximately equal to the amount of fuel required in descending the same payload weight onto the surface of the earth from the earth's orbit using a descent rocket re-entry; consequently, the mount of fuel required to descent a payload from the moon's orbit to the surface of the moon can be calculated using an earth base rocket launch by compensating for the moon's gravity. The total weight of the Apollo 11 lunar lander (dry) is 15,083 lb. Using the moon gravity of .166 g the lunar lander weight would be comparable to (15,083 lb) x (.166) = 2,504 lb on the surface of the moon; consequently, to decent the lander onto the surface of the moon would be comparable to launching a 2,504 lb payload from the surface of the earth into orbit. The Taep'o-dong 2 rocket has a maximum payload weight of 1,000 lbs and uses 114,913 lb of liquid rocket fuel which forms a fuel-payload ratio of R = (114,913 lb) / (1,000 lb) = 115. Using the fuel-payload ratio R, the minimum amount of rocket fuel required to launch a 2,504 lb  payload into the earth's orbit is (2,504 lb) x R = 287,960 lb; consequently, to descent the 15,083 lb lander (moon weight of 2,504 lb) onto the surface of the moon using descent rockets requires 287,960 lb of fuel yet the total amount of fuel used in the lander descent is 18,000 lb which proves the lunar lander did not land on the surface of the moon.

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Am 09.06.2017 01:11, schrieb numbernumber1964@gmail.com:
> The Apollo 11 mission did not land on the surface of the moon since the lunar lander does not contain the minimum amount of rocket fuel required in descending the lander onto the surface of the moon using a descent rocket re-entry. Using the analogy that the amount of fuel required to launch a payload into orbit is approximately equal to the amount of fuel required in descending the same payload weight onto the surface of the earth from the earth's orbit using a descent rocket re-entry; consequently, the mount of fuel required to descent a payload from the moon's orbit to the surface of the moon can be calculated using an earth base rocket launch by compensating for the moon's gravity. The total weight of the Apollo 11 lunar lander (dry) is 15,083 lb. Using the moon gravity of .166 g the lunar lander weight would be comparable to (15,083 lb) x (.166) = 2,504 lb on the surface of the moon; consequently, to decent the lander onto the surface of the moon would be comparable t
o launching a 2,504 lb payload from the surface of the earth into orbit. The Taep'o-dong 2 rocket has a maximum payload weight of 1,000 lbs and uses 114,913 lb of liquid rocket fuel which forms a fuel-payload ratio of R = (114,913 lb) / (1,000 lb) = 115. Using the fuel-payload ratio R, the minimum amount of rocket fuel required to launch a 2,504 lb  payload into the earth's orbit is (2,504 lb) x R = 287,960 lb; consequently, to descent the 15,083 lb lander (moon weight of 2,504 lb) onto the surface of the moon using descent rockets requires 287,960 lb of fuel yet the total amount of fuel used in the lander descent is 18,000 lb which proves the lunar lander did not land on the surface of the moon.

Actually I had figured that out, too,  some years ago on BAUT-forum.

The 'fuel-question' seemed to me kind of obvious, since that is 
something, that you could possibly figure our.

You could use the Tsiolkovski rocket equation for a rough estimate of 
the required fuel.

But as far as I can say, they had only enough for landing, but not 
enough for the ascent phase.

The ascent also included a  rendezvous in orbit with the orbiter.  This 
would require tremendous accuracy in any aspect of the restart, for 
which they had no equipment.

But - on the other hand - I actually think, the US had men on the Moon, 
only not with that craft.

More likely seem device similar to the UFO-type 'Haunebus'.

But for obvious reasons the would not tell.



TH

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