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| Started by | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| First post | 2016-10-12 06:06 +1100 |
| Last post | 2016-11-13 15:05 -0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 308 — 30 participants |
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Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-12 06:06 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Ralphie-boy Is Asinine. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-11 20:03 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Ralphie-boy Is Asinine. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-12 01:03 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-12 15:08 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-12 01:06 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-12 20:27 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-12 04:56 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-13 18:34 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-13 05:28 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 06:55 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-13 14:47 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 14:31 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-24 11:29 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Walter Bautista <wabau@outlookbay.org> - 2016-10-25 21:04 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-26 10:00 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-12 15:03 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-12 22:27 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-14 13:53 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-14 20:15 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-14 22:30 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-15 05:33 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-14 05:06 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-15 09:59 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-14 15:07 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-14 20:35 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 10:37 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 10:47 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 11:10 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 12:16 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 15:00 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 15:20 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 15:35 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 15:45 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 16:13 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 16:25 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. SPQR <SPQR@SPQR.org> - 2016-10-15 17:33 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 18:21 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-10-15 21:58 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 20:07 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 20:01 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 18:14 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 20:43 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-10-15 22:05 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-17 03:24 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-16 13:10 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-16 22:55 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. ScottPN <Scott@oe0vgk3s.info> - 2016-10-17 11:43 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 08:38 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-17 20:04 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 19:55 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-18 05:04 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-19 07:57 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-18 17:32 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-20 03:25 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-19 20:41 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-20 20:39 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-20 04:03 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-20 04:14 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-20 14:50 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 03:23 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-20 17:23 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-20 20:54 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 04:02 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 12:22 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-21 20:35 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 10:46 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-21 20:10 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-23 04:50 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 12:07 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 08:55 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-23 05:13 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 15:35 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-23 22:30 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-25 08:19 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-21 19:46 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 10:47 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-22 13:46 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-23 05:21 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-23 11:08 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-23 11:47 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-24 08:19 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-24 10:37 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-25 08:14 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-25 09:25 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-25 00:44 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-25 20:55 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-25 03:06 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-25 05:08 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-25 05:34 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 05:55 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 19:09 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-25 14:02 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 20:58 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-26 05:24 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-27 05:17 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-26 18:30 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-25 13:00 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-25 20:55 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 19:14 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-25 14:28 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 19:37 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-26 06:18 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-26 15:31 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-27 05:19 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-25 22:02 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edgar König <edgko@edgarkoenig.info> - 2016-10-25 20:08 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 09:29 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-28 08:37 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-27 20:40 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-28 19:54 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-28 04:57 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 15:23 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 17:11 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-30 19:30 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-30 05:18 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-30 18:03 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-31 06:34 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 15:59 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-01 08:11 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-07 15:19 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-08 08:43 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-07 14:29 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-08 15:05 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-08 03:40 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-09 11:42 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-08 18:12 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-11 12:41 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-10 18:43 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-08 13:49 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-08 05:55 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-09 11:40 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-11-09 12:50 +0100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-09 04:06 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-10 03:04 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 11:01 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-11 12:56 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 08:53 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-13 06:39 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-11-09 20:07 +0100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-11 12:54 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-11-11 14:14 +0100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-12 10:13 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-11-12 11:23 +0100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-13 06:35 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-11-12 20:46 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-13 17:55 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-11-13 09:07 +0100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-13 04:42 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-14 07:38 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-13 20:02 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-14 07:35 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 07:23 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-15 07:59 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 16:52 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 05:01 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 07:48 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 08:32 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-15 05:53 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-16 08:36 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 14:08 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-17 05:51 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 03:12 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-18 08:21 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Edwin Grünner <edwgr@menckensite.org> - 2016-11-17 21:33 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 16:04 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 09:19 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-09 11:43 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 07:30 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-11-10 03:12 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 11:02 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-11 12:58 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 08:54 -0600
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-11-11 07:59 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-12 10:37 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-09 23:13 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-01 02:46 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-02 08:59 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-02 04:10 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-02 19:47 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-02 03:59 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-03 08:22 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-02 14:24 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-11-02 23:21 +0100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-02 22:44 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-11-02 16:33 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-03 19:52 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-03 04:21 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-11-03 15:16 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 15:48 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-29 07:37 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-10-28 15:35 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-28 23:00 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 09:50 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-29 07:43 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-29 07:42 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 16:13 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-01 08:16 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-29 21:40 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-30 19:34 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-30 18:10 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-11-03 07:12 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-04 11:08 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-04 04:16 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-21 05:13 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-10-20 14:26 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-20 05:45 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-20 15:26 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-20 03:02 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 14:33 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 22:32 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 03:21 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-10-16 11:19 +0200
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 19:54 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-19 16:35 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-16 06:04 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-15 12:25 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. alsor@interia.pl - 2016-10-15 14:02 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-16 01:37 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-17 03:57 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-16 20:39 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 20:16 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-17 02:01 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 22:56 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 08:53 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-17 03:53 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-16 20:19 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 09:19 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 04:03 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 20:01 +1100
Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-12 06:24 -0700
Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:21 -0700
Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:33 -0700
Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-12 07:59 -0700
Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-15 19:59 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 14:27 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-16 12:52 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-15 19:45 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-16 15:08 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-17 04:06 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-17 11:12 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 09:05 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-17 22:45 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 16:03 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 03:01 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 10:18 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-18 03:18 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-18 19:57 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 04:09 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-18 09:54 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-19 10:40 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-20 03:39 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 09:50 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-19 13:57 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-20 13:59 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 02:38 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 11:03 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-21 04:21 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-20 11:05 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 04:08 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-21 14:32 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 10:49 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-21 20:15 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 12:36 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 12:55 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-23 05:24 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 08:26 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-21 06:45 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 04:14 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 12:34 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-22 10:51 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 08:56 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-23 05:26 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 15:35 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-24 08:28 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-24 08:13 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-25 08:36 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-26 09:29 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-27 05:26 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. xxein1@att.net - 2016-10-26 17:19 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-28 08:39 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 09:47 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-29 08:02 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-10-29 08:41 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-10-30 05:55 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 17:10 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-10-30 19:41 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-30 15:50 -0500
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-01 08:18 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-11-02 00:15 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-22 14:54 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-10-19 23:33 -0700
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Jim Barthel <jimbart@portlanportal.info> - 2016-10-20 15:00 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Dwain Foster <dwainbwe@tyrellysite.org> - 2016-10-22 15:36 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-10 12:20 -0800
Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:09 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-12 14:29 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-13 17:59 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-12 14:37 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-13 18:00 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. Gwyneth Montgomery <GwynethMont@MontgomeryInstitute.info> - 2016-11-13 22:42 +0000
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-14 10:56 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 12:35 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. HGW <hw@....> - 2016-11-15 08:23 +1100
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 12:51 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 12:52 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 12:52 -0800
Re: Irrefutable Proof That Light Moves at c+v. numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2016-11-13 13:08 -0800
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-16 20:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <hOadnYe8A6AYu5nFnZ2dnUU7_8zNnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #395778 |
On 10/15/16 10/15/16 8:37 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > Well, you could define an orbit as going from perigee to perigee. Hopeless. The GPS satellites are in very nearly circular orbits, and have no perigee. No matter how you specify the endpoints of an orbit, to do what Wilson wants would require determining them to better than a micron. HOPELESS. That's based on 14,000 km/hr orbital speed and an accuracy of 1 count of a cesium oscillator (~9 GHz). Tom Roberts
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-10-17 02:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nu1bdp$ar0$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #395862 |
Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> writes: >On 10/15/16 10/15/16 8:37 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: >> Well, you could define an orbit as going from perigee to perigee. >Hopeless. The GPS satellites are in very nearly circular orbits, and have no >perigee. >No matter how you specify the endpoints of an orbit, to do what Wilson wants >would require determining them to better than a micron. HOPELESS. > That's based on 14,000 km/hr orbital speed and an accuracy > of 1 count of a cesium oscillator (~9 GHz). My real motive was to show that the definition of an orbit when GR is involved is ambiguous, by bringing up Mercury. How do you define Mercury's orbit? From perihelion to perihelion? Or from a certain point in the sky (as seen from the sun) to the same point? Mercury's "orbit" does not repeat. The same is true for the GPS to a much smaller extent, even if its perigee is unmeasurable or nonexistent.
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-16 22:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <qYudncGPbKZA1pnFnZ2dnUU7_83NnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #395864 |
On 10/16/16 10/16/16 9:01 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: > My real motive was to show that the definition of an orbit when GR is > involved is ambiguous, by bringing up Mercury. How do you define > Mercury's orbit? From perihelion to perihelion? Or from a certain point > in the sky (as seen from the sun) to the same point? Mercury's "orbit" > does not repeat. The same is true for the GPS to a much smaller extent, > even if its perigee is unmeasurable or nonexistent. The basic problem is that the concept "orbit" PRESUPPOSES that the motion of the planet is periodic, EXACTLY. After all, the orbit of a planet is a line drawn in 3-space, with no time dependence at all. If the motion were exactly periodic there would be no problem of principle, just the practical difficulty of determining when the planet is located at whatever endpoint you chose. But in the real world, the path is NOT periodic, and the whole concept "orbit" does not really apply -- one simply cannot draw ANY path in 3-space and expect the planet to remain on it. IOW: "orbit" applies only approximately; one can draw an "orbit" in 3-space that the planet follows reasonably closely (but not exactly) for a few circuits. This discussion is attempting to push that approximation beyond where it makes sense. This holds for all "orbits", including those of GPS satellites. Tom Roberts
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| From | HGW <hw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-10-18 08:53 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <nu3h7t$1q64$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #395862 |
On 17/10/16 12:16, Tom Roberts wrote: > On 10/15/16 10/15/16 8:37 PM, Michael Moroney wrote: >> Well, you could define an orbit as going from perigee to perigee. > > Hopeless. The GPS satellites are in very nearly circular orbits, and > have no perigee. > > No matter how you specify the endpoints of an orbit, to do what Wilson > wants would require determining them to better than a micron. HOPELESS. Nothing has to actually be DONE. Theoretically speaking, GPS orbits can all have identical periods of precisely 12 hours and each can be precisely determined on both the satellite and the ground.. In that case, the number of chips emitted and received per ORBIT must be the same for all observers. > That's based on 14,000 km/hr orbital speed and an accuracy > of 1 count of a cesium oscillator (~9 GHz). If the number of ticks PER ORBIT is different after launch, then quite obviously the clock has physically changed because of the experience. > Tom Roberts --
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| From | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-10-17 03:53 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <nu0bak$n8u$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #395751 |
On 16/10/16 06:25, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote: > On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 2:04:07 PM UTC-5, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > >> A GPS clock emits the same number of ticks PER ORBIT no matter where >> that number is counted. >> >> That is how RATE SYNCHING can be achieved. The GR correction is >> bullshit. Reading synchronization is another matter...but rate synching >> is the prime requirement. >> >> THE AIM IS TO ENSURE THAT ALL CLOCKS IN ORBIT AND ON GROUND EMIT THE >> SAME NUMBER OF TICKS PER GPS ORBIT. >> >> Ideally, every ORBIT itself would be standardized so that its clock >> WOULD emit the same number of ticks PER ORBIT as every other clock. >> For that reason, it is vital that all GPS orbit have the same period. >> >> Errors are continually monitored and included in each clock's offset >> message. > > Describe an operational procedure for counting the number of ticks per orbit. > > How do you determine when a satellite has reached the same point in its orbit > as the last time that it came around? Not easily... I'm sure this kind of information is highly classified.... but one thing is certain. If it cannot be done then all those wild dingleberry claims about the necessity for and testing of the infamous 'GR correction' are rendered null and void. The actual details of how orbits are set and monitored are obviously very complicated because they involve a lot of delicate empirical observations and adjustments using readings from known base locations....but we know with certainty that it IS achieved by the operators to very close tolerances. All GPS clock orbits must have the same periods to within nanoseconds for the system to work. There might be a bit of a problem preventing satellites from running into each other. The phasing at the poles must be kept different, which is relatively easy, and their orbits can be very slightly elliptical to reduce the risks. One can only assume that the Russian, European and Chinese systems were designed to fit in with GPS.
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-10-16 20:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <hOadnYa8A6C6upnFnZ2dnUU7_8xi4p2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #395827 |
On 10/16/16 10/16/16 11:53 AM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > On 16/10/16 06:25, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote: >> How do you determine when a satellite has reached the same point in its orbit >> as the last time that it came around? > > Not easily... I'm sure this kind of information is highly classified.... Today, nothing about the GPS is classified except the cryptography involved in military applications. > but one thing is certain. If it cannot be done then all those wild dingleberry > claims about the necessity for and testing of the infamous 'GR correction' are > rendered null and void. NONSENSE. There is NOTHING in the GPS that is specified "per orbit", except in your personal fantasy land. Tom Roberts
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| From | HGW <hw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-10-18 09:19 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <nu3ip2$1srn$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #395863 |
On 17/10/16 12:19, Tom Roberts wrote: > On 10/16/16 10/16/16 11:53 AM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >> On 16/10/16 06:25, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote: >>> How do you determine when a satellite has reached the same point >>> in its orbit as the last time that it came around? >> >> Not easily... I'm sure this kind of information is highly >> classified.... > > Today, nothing about the GPS is classified except the cryptography > involved in military applications. > >> but one thing is certain. If it cannot be done then all those wild >> dingleberry claims about the necessity for and testing of the >> infamous 'GR correction' are rendered null and void. > > NONSENSE. There is NOTHING in the GPS that is specified "per orbit", > except in your personal fantasy land. If the orbit 'start and end' cannot be determined, there is no accurate way to check whether or not the GR correction did what you people claim it was supposed to do...even after 20 days. Before launch, if it emitted N-n ticks per orbit, your theory reckoned it would then emit N ticks per orbit AFTER launch....and the same number would be RECEIVED on the ground PER ORBIT. So in effect, you dingleberries can say anything you like and not be proved wrong. > Tom Roberts --
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-10-18 04:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nu46u1$eih$7@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #395957 |
HGW <hw@....> writes: >On 17/10/16 12:19, Tom Roberts wrote: >> On 10/16/16 10/16/16 11:53 AM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: >>> On 16/10/16 06:25, Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog wrote: >>>> How do you determine when a satellite has reached the same point >>>> in its orbit as the last time that it came around? >>> >>> Not easily... I'm sure this kind of information is highly >>> classified.... >> >> Today, nothing about the GPS is classified except the cryptography >> involved in military applications. >> >>> but one thing is certain. If it cannot be done then all those wild >>> dingleberry claims about the necessity for and testing of the >>> infamous 'GR correction' are rendered null and void. >> >> NONSENSE. There is NOTHING in the GPS that is specified "per orbit", >> except in your personal fantasy land. >If the orbit 'start and end' cannot be determined, there is no accurate >way to check whether or not the GR correction did what you people claim >it was supposed to do...even after 20 days. Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge, it is easily checked, simply by counting the pulses from one of the signals from the satellite, Ralph Rabbidge, and compare them with a similarly derived signal from a local cesium clock, Ralph. Ralph, of course you have to take into account the Doppler effect, Ralph. For example, Ralph, if we could monitor the Cesium atomic signal at 9,192,631,770 per second directly, Ralph, we on earth would see the GPS signal register 9,192,631,774+ ticks every time our local Cs clock registered 9,192,631,770 ticks, Ralph Rabbidge. >Before launch, if it emitted N-n ticks per orbit, your theory reckoned >it would then emit N ticks per orbit AFTER launch....and the same number >would be RECEIVED on the ground PER ORBIT. Ralph Malcolm, as you were already informed, Ralph, nothing is defined PER ORBIT. Ralph, everything is specified per second or whatever, Ralph. > So in effect, you >dingleberries can say anything you like and not be proved wrong. Ralph Malcolm, why would the followers of Herbert Dingle want to say anything they like, Ralph, even though they have long been proved wrong, Ralph Malcolm Rabbidge.
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| From | HGW <hw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-10-18 20:01 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <nu4och$1ado$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #395982 |
On 18/10/16 15:03, Michael Moroney produced the output of a computer program that strings together lots of scientific expressions in random order....:
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| From | "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 06:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <01cbf35b-483d-4f95-aa2c-ae06795611a2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #395416 |
c = c c is the "speed of causality" Time travel not possible because c is c The Whole System must "RESET" back to a common Template point. If one particle time travels, All particles will time travel. Electron positron pair creation is as close to time travel as anything can get. One particle continues into the future one is sent into the past. But the "original" is destroyed, erasing the original information bit it was carrying. Time travel is impossible because both the forward and reverse time lines are already coexisting commingled in the same "space" A positive and negative time line is created. 86.6 % the speed of light = electron positron creation, preventing time travel. c is maintained at c by Total system Tension The Whole System will "reset" to a previous total system Tension, Erasing accumulated information back to the original starting Template. Exploitation of oscillating back & forth through the original starting template might be possible by the greedy New World Order types. Like a Driver knowing or not knowing the upcoming curves of a road giving an evolutionary advantage to some. Have a Bunch of Decieved Slaves Workers Create a "Leisure World Disneyland" One Time, then Leisurely effortlessly Oscillate back & forth while the System oscillates. You know, what we have now....
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| From | "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 07:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a4ea93a3-96df-4488-bdcd-1f7870075b5e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #395477 |
If an Electron is time traveled a Muon is created. If a Muon is Time traveled Tauon is created. http://i57.tinypic.com/102v0gh.jpg c = c
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| From | "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 07:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <988d82fb-1056-4907-bcb8-19727bf9d151@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #395483 |
50 * 2.75 = 137.5 376.73 / 2.75 = 136.992727273 1/(c*50) = G (((4 * pi) - (1 - (1 / tau)))^2) / 137.5 = 0.99991236071 Higgs mass = proton mass/ alpha 1/G meters per second necessary to exceed causality.
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| From | "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-12 07:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1619f9f6-c7b7-4363-bea2-32d384baddc5@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #395485 |
Gravity is "Imbalanced Time" Gravity is Special Relativity Gravity is a Vacuum impedance imbalance causing space time to have a Lower Kinetic energy with a 1/radius^2 relationship to the gravitating bodies. The two bodies physically move (gravitate) toward each other to maintain their current (total Kinetic Energy). Gravity is Length Contraction Relativistic Length Contraction. One of the peculiar aspects of Einstein's theory of special relativity is that the length of objects moving at relativistic speeds undergoes a contraction along the dimension of motion. ... The amount of contraction of the object is dependent upon the object's speed relative to the observer 1 / (376.730313461 / (((c^2) * (2 * G)) / (pi * 1e+4))) = 1.0136368 (0.0136368 / (0.5^0.5)) + 1 = 1.01928534751 http://vixra.org/pdf/1102.0032v8.pdf
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| From | "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-15 19:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b0e51e03-0111-4ccc-9380-4936e70668b0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #395485 |
50 * 2.75 = 137.5 376.73 / 2.75 = 136.992727273 1/(c*50) = G (((4 * pi) - (1 - (1 / tau)))^2) / 137.5 = 0.99991236071 Higgs mass = proton mass/ alpha 1/G meters per second necessary to exceed causality. pi^2/6 ((pi^2) / (6^2)) * 10 = 2.74155677808 (((pi^2) / (6^2)) * 10) * 50 = 137.077838904 (pi^2) / 6 = 1.64493406685
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| From | Thomas <thomas.smid@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-10-13 14:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d476eeb9-87e8-4c24-8a47-faf1132a98c7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #395416 |
On Tuesday, 11 October 2016 19:06:31 UTC, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > Paul and a light source have absolutely synched clocks. > The linear distance between the two is reducing by v m/s. > 1) > In the source frame, Paul approaches at v. > S----------------------t>v-----------------v<P > The source sends a time signal at speed c and time t. It reaches Paul at t'. > The current distance between the two is c(t-t') > > In Paul's frame, the time signal is sent from S at time t, moving at c+v. > S>v ------------------t>(c+v)-------------------P > When Paul receives the signal at t', the current distance between the > two is (c+v)(t'-t) MINUS the distance moved by the source during signal > travel, which = v(t'-t) > Therefore, the current distance at t' = c(t'-t), as before. > **************************************************************************** This is inconsistent, as it would mean the speed of light is c(t'-t)/(t'-t)=c as well for Paul, in contradiction to your assumption that it is c+v. The point is simply that the light signal should travel the overall distance (c+v)(t'-t) in Paul's frame not c(t'-t). The latter can only be true if c is invariant.
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-10-16 12:52 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <e6g4rcFsm42U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #395416 |
How do mirrors behave in your theory? Sylvia.
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| From | xxein1@att.net |
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| Date | 2016-10-15 19:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <fc0fc7b3-bdc5-4f91-a3e3-8dafefb99744@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #395780 |
On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 9:52:46 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote: > How do mirrors behave in your theory? > > Sylvia. xxein: Who are you addressing?
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-10-16 15:08 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <e6gcplFu8gmU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #395781 |
On 16/10/2016 1:45 PM, xxein1@att.net wrote: > On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 9:52:46 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote: >> How do mirrors behave in your theory? >> >> Sylvia. > > xxein: Who are you addressing? > The OP. Sylvia.
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| From | "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> |
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| Date | 2016-10-17 04:06 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <nu0c21$otc$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #395794 |
On 16/10/16 15:08, Sylvia Else wrote: > On 16/10/2016 1:45 PM, xxein1@att.net wrote: >> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 9:52:46 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote: >>> How do mirrors behave in your theory? >>> >>> Sylvia. >> >> xxein: Who are you addressing? >> > > The OP. Then I assume that is I. I don't see a connection between your question and the OP. However, there is good reason to believe that light reflects from a mirror at c relative to the mirror, irrespective of incident speed. Since nobody has measured OWLS from a moving mirror, there is no way to prove that. In fact, not a great deal is known at all about the actual physics behind the process of reflection. Sylvia.
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| From | Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> |
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| Date | 2016-10-17 11:12 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <e6ijb2Fg2hjU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #395830 |
On 17/10/2016 4:06 AM, HGWilson, DSc. wrote: > On 16/10/16 15:08, Sylvia Else wrote: >> On 16/10/2016 1:45 PM, xxein1@att.net wrote: >>> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 9:52:46 PM UTC-4, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> How do mirrors behave in your theory? >>>> >>>> Sylvia. >>> >>> xxein: Who are you addressing? >>> >> >> The OP. > > Then I assume that is I. > > I don't see a connection between your question and the OP. > However, there is good reason to believe that light reflects from a > mirror at c relative to the mirror, irrespective of incident speed. > Since nobody has measured OWLS from a moving mirror, there is no way to > prove that. In fact, not a great deal is known at all about the actual > physics behind the process of reflection. > > Sylvia. > If we suppose that there is a source of light at a point, and a mirror moving towards that point at speed v, and further that when a pulse of light from the source reaches the mirror it is at a distance d from the source, then we have that the time for the pulse to reach the mirror from the source is d / c, and time for the reflected pulse to reach the source is d / (c + v). The total time is then d /c + d / (c + v), which is not 2d/c, thus contradicting your claim that the two way light speed would be c. Indeed, the only way for the two way light speed to be measured as c is if the reflected pulse returns to the source at speed c relative to the source, regardless of the speed of the mirror. Sylvia.
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