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Atheism is Witchcraft

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2016-09-11 12:43 -0700
Last post2016-09-14 03:58 -0400
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  Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-11 12:43 -0700
    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Normal Human <NH@....> - 2016-09-12 08:01 +1000
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-11 15:24 -0700
        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-11 16:28 -0600
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2016-09-12 00:06 +0000
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-12 07:31 +0200
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-12 12:57 +0000
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 05:59 -0700
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-12 08:57 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 07:04 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-12 14:26 +0000
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-12 19:18 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-12 12:37 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-12 22:43 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:14 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-09-12 22:18 +0000
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 06:45 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-12 23:56 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 08:16 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 00:07 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 22:00 +0200
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 20:53 -0700
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-14 20:15 +0200
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 01:34 +0200
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 08:23 +0200
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-15 03:33 -0400
                                        Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-15 11:29 -0600
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 20:44 +0200
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-09-16 06:34 +1000
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-15 20:02 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-15 19:05 -0500
                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-16 10:25 +1000
                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-15 22:11 -0400
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 19:25 -0700
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-16 06:20 +0200
                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 22:57 -0700
                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 08:16 +0200
                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-17 07:01 -0400
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-17 11:54 +0000
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-18 09:55 +1000
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 04:26 -0400
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 16:15 +0200
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 11:29 -0400
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-19 09:59 +1000
                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 03:25 +0200
                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-18 20:56 -0600
                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 00:48 -0400
                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-19 16:11 +1000
                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 15:28 -0400
                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-20 11:37 +1000
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 23:11 -0400
                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-21 12:12 +1000
                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 03:57 -0400
                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-21 19:14 +1000
                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 10:37 -0400
                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 09:28 +1000
                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-22 00:12 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 03:50 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 18:17 +1000
                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-22 02:19 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-22 02:35 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 10:13 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 12:37 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-23 14:59 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-24 10:35 +1000
                                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 05:55 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-25 05:13 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 19:20 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-25 17:16 -0400
                                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-26 06:44 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-25 22:40 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-26 17:56 +1000
                                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-26 23:09 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-27 19:02 +1000
                                                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-27 20:23 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-28 10:18 +1000
                                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-28 03:34 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-28 11:41 +1000
                                                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-28 20:34 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-28 04:48 +0200
                                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-28 18:10 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-29 10:07 +1000
                                                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-29 08:04 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-27 06:43 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-27 19:06 +1000
                                                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-27 05:08 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-27 20:28 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-28 01:17 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-27 23:55 -0400
                                                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-28 15:04 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:06 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-29 00:03 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 00:38 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 00:37 -0400
                                                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-29 15:48 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-29 23:59 -0400
                                                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-28 11:50 +1000
                                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-27 22:30 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-28 14:58 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:07 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-28 16:02 -0400
                                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-27 10:07 -0700
                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-19 16:08 +1000
                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 08:53 +0200
                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 15:36 -0400
                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-20 17:27 +1000
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 10:33 -0400
                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-20 09:40 -0500
                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 03:58 -0400
                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-21 12:05 +1000
                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 04:10 -0400
                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-19 20:31 +0000
                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 23:14 +0200
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 00:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-20 11:51 +1000
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 23:14 -0400
                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-20 23:38 +0200
                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 22:31 -0700
                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-21 11:07 -0700
                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 04:16 -0400
                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-21 21:42 +0200
                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-21 16:22 -0400
                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 10:11 +1000
                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-22 08:34 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-21 23:55 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 17:37 +1000
                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-22 22:23 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 12:38 +1000
                                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 06:20 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-22 02:28 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-22 22:11 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-09-22 22:25 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-23 04:36 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 16:18 +1000
                                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-23 02:38 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 18:20 +1000
                                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-23 09:30 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 18:17 +1000
                                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-23 02:31 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-24 10:47 +1000
                                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-23 18:43 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-24 04:29 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-24 17:29 +1000
                                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-23 23:20 -0600
                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-23 16:16 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-23 15:05 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-24 02:22 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-24 16:26 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-25 05:32 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-25 15:50 +0000
                                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-25 21:42 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-26 01:05 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-22 15:30 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-22 18:14 -0500
                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:36 -0700
                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-09-21 17:55 -0700
                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-22 01:16 +0000
                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 04:02 -0400
                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 17:41 +1000
                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 10:18 -0400
                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 11:26 +1000
                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-23 04:51 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-22 22:53 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-23 16:35 +1000
                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-24 02:22 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-22 22:52 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-23 09:53 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-23 03:04 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-23 21:08 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-24 12:14 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-24 16:28 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-09-25 11:59 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-25 13:58 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-09-23 12:52 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-23 21:49 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-25 23:23 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-26 10:46 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 04:15 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-26 14:17 +0000
                                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-26 23:23 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-27 10:32 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-09-27 04:57 -0700
                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-21 09:30 +1000
                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-20 20:12 -0700
                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-09-21 21:47 +0100
                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 04:18 -0700
                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 04:18 -0700
                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 04:19 -0700
                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-17 16:28 +0000
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 18:52 +0200
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-18 09:57 +1000
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 00:20 +0000
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 06:20 +0200
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 23:36 -0700
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 15:26 +0000
                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 20:06 +0200
                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-19 20:19 +0000
                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 23:22 +0200
                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-19 23:56 +0000
                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> - 2016-09-20 00:18 +0000
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 12:32 +0000
                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-21 05:14 +0200
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-21 14:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-22 10:13 +1000
                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 04:03 -0400
                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-09-22 11:51 -0500
                                                                            Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-22 11:04 -0600
                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-22 14:10 -0400
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 04:33 -0400
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 16:04 +0200
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 15:31 +0000
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 11:31 -0400
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Hot-Text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> - 2016-10-01 20:26 -0500
                          To A Atheism The Science Of Language Is Rrelativity "Hot-Text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-19 15:57 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:13 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 07:01 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-12 22:29 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 08:21 +0200
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 00:05 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 18:59 +0200
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 00:23 +0000
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-19 17:48 -0700
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-20 08:00 +0200
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 12:56 +0000
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-13 07:49 +0000
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-13 18:03 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 21:00 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-14 06:27 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-14 02:45 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-14 11:14 +0000
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-14 06:44 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-14 12:31 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-14 07:57 -0500
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-14 15:02 +0000
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 03:02 -0700
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-15 15:38 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 03:00 -0700
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-15 15:29 +0000
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 02:55 -0700
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-15 14:57 +0000
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Les Hellawell <les@shant.tell> - 2016-09-15 19:37 +0100
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-14 01:34 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-14 11:16 +0000
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-14 19:45 +0200
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-14 14:43 -0500
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-16 07:01 +0200
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 22:58 -0700
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-09-15 23:13 -0700
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 03:49 -0500
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-16 08:00 +0200
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 06:40 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Hot-Text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-16 18:57 -0500
    Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:15 -0700
      Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:33 -0700
        Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 19:37 -0700
          Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:05 -0700
            Atheism is Witchcraft "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-09-12 20:27 -0700
    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 00:27 -0700
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 00:34 -0700
        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:07 -0700
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:21 -0700
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-13 09:42 -0700
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-14 10:21 -0700
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-14 14:37 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-14 12:06 -0700
    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 09:10 +1000
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-13 17:21 -0600
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 19:59 -0400
        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-14 03:15 +0200
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-13 20:33 -0500
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 22:09 -0400
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-13 20:55 -0700
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-14 20:47 +1000
        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-14 01:16 +0000
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-13 22:01 -0400
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-13 21:12 -0500
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 09:32 +1000
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-14 17:38 -0600
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:32 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-14 23:15 -0600
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-15 03:33 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2016-09-14 23:36 -0400
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 08:52 +0200
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft HGW <hw@....> - 2016-09-15 18:01 +1000
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 02:50 -0700
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-15 22:48 +0200
                        Re: Theism is Witchcraft Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-09-15 15:02 -0600
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-15 19:23 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2016-09-16 02:58 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-16 08:16 +0200
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-16 01:15 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-15 23:41 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-18 13:26 -0700
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-18 21:01 -0600
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 00:49 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-19 17:31 -0700
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 23:16 -0400
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-19 21:38 -0700
                                      Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-19 23:37 -0600
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-19 23:58 -0700
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 10:36 -0400
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 09:59 -0700
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 15:11 -0400
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 22:28 -0700
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 10:34 -0400
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 18:38 +0000
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-20 15:14 -0400
                                            Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-20 13:46 -0600
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-20 20:46 +0000
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-15 22:52 -0700
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 17:45 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-15 17:15 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-15 21:57 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 04:23 +0000
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:06 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 16:11 -0500
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 21:51 +0000
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 21:00 -0400
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-17 01:56 +0000
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 08:30 +0200
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-17 07:10 -0400
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 04:14 -0700
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 16:25 +0200
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 16:44 -0700
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-17 19:42 -0500
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 06:50 +0200
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 23:24 -0700
                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 20:14 +0200
                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 15:06 -0400
                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-30 06:33 +0200
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-29 23:27 -0700
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 02:59 -0400
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 11:48 -0700
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 10:10 -0700
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 02:54 -0400
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-30 02:06 -0500
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 11:17 -0700
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-30 14:07 -0500
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 23:11 -0400
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-01 08:52 +0200
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-01 05:00 -0400
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 07:39 +0200
                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 02:24 -0400
                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-10-02 11:53 +0000
                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 09:01 -0400
                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 18:02 +0200
                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-02 11:02 -0700
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-09 05:52 +0200
                                                                        Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-10-09 00:09 -0600
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Hello Thomas <tsp2opt@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 07:24 -0700
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-08 07:15 +0200
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-10-08 12:36 -0600
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-08 22:56 +0200
                                                            Re: Atheism is NOT Witchcraft Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-10-08 15:33 -0600
                                                              Re: Atheism is NOT Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-09 05:42 +0200
                                                                Re: Atheism is NOT Witchcraft A Nony Mouse <abc@cef.ghi> - 2016-10-09 00:14 -0600
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 12:27 -0700
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-17 17:26 +0000
                                    Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-17 11:48 -0600
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-17 12:54 -0500
                                      Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-17 12:47 -0600
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 20:50 +0200
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-17 17:31 -0400
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 00:41 +0000
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 15:36 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 12:00 -0700
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-17 17:25 -0400
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-18 00:32 +0000
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-17 22:27 -0700
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-09-18 06:35 +0000
                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-18 07:49 -0500
                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-18 06:35 -0700
                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 03:46 +0200
                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 00:53 -0400
                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-19 08:15 +0200
                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-19 15:43 -0400
                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-20 01:02 +0000
                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-20 08:21 +0200
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-20 20:04 +0000
                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-21 04:56 +0200
                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-22 01:16 +0000
                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-23 05:03 +0200
                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-24 02:42 +0000
                                                              Re: Theism is Witchcraft Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-09-23 23:17 -0600
                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-24 17:25 +1000
                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-24 22:06 +0200
                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-25 00:36 +0000
                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-25 05:18 -0400
                                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 13:56 +0200
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-25 16:02 +0000
                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-25 11:04 -0500
                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ted&Alice <sam.m.tedesco@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 16:23 +0000
                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 18:54 +0200
                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-09-26 09:59 +1000
                                                                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-26 07:35 +0200
                                                                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-26 15:53 +0000
                                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-27 06:27 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-27 06:10 +0000
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-25 12:19 -0400
                                                                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-25 21:42 +0000
                                                                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-09-26 01:14 +0000
                                                                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-09-26 15:53 +0000
                                                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-09-25 00:39 -0400
                                                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-25 14:07 +0200
                                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-20 13:09 -0700
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-18 00:50 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 20:44 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-16 17:49 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-09-16 21:51 +0000
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-16 02:49 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 03:47 -0500
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-16 05:57 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-09-16 17:12 -0400
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-16 16:22 -0500
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-17 19:00 +0200
    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-14 03:58 -0400

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#393022

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-09-20 00:23 +0000
Message-ID<nrpvic$120r$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#392971
On Mon, 19 Sep 2016 18:59:47 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

> Am 13.09.2016 09:05, schrieb Jeanne Douglas:
> 
> 
>>> The Jews came to Egypt, because they were give to the Pharao as kind
>>> of tribute. Since it was the Queen of Sheba, who gave them to the
>>> Pharao, the Jews had to stem from her kingdom (->Ethiopia).
>>
>> The Jews were never in Egypt.
>>
>>> So original Jews would have been 'black'.
>>
>> You still haven't provided evidence for this assertion.
>>
> I  know some people personally, who are Jewish.
> 
> One is a musician and looks a little like Bob Marley.
> 
> So he has dread locks and very dark skin.
> 
> The 'white' Jews I know, look more or less like Germans.
> 
> So how did that happen?
> 
> My guess: it's all wrong and the biblical Jews were African people.

So your supposed Jesus character was black.
 
> And I found a lot of hits in that direction.
> But it's also possible to type 'black jews' into the search mask of
> Google or YouTube.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=black+jews
> 
> results in 868,000 findings, e.g. this one
> 
> "The JEWS are BLACK pt 1 Roman Catacombs 100-600 AD "
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4S1sad8Yg

We were all originally black because we all originated in Africa.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#393026

FromJeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com>
Date2016-09-19 17:48 -0700
Message-ID<hlwdjsd2-9FFA3B.17481019092016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#392971
In article <e4ajs8F9a18U1@mid.individual.net>,
 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

> Am 13.09.2016 09:05, schrieb Jeanne Douglas:
> 
> >
> >> The Jews came to Egypt, because they were give to the Pharao as kind of
> >> tribute. Since it was the Queen of Sheba, who gave them to the Pharao,
> >> the Jews had to stem from her kingdom (->Ethiopia).
> >
> > The Jews were never in Egypt.
> >
> >
> >> So original Jews would have been 'black'.
> >
> > You still haven't provided evidence for this assertion.
> >
> 
> I  know some people personally, who are Jewish.

My father and his family are all Jews so I win.


> One is a musician and looks a little like Bob Marley.
> 
> So he has dread locks and very dark skin.

So?


> The 'white' Jews I know, look more or less like Germans.
> 
> So how did that happen?
> 
> My guess: it's all wrong and the biblical Jews were African people.

You're an idiot.


> And I found a lot of hits in that direction.
> But it's also possible to type 'black jews' into the search mask of 
> Google or YouTube.

Why does the existence of black Jews mean that the original Jews were 
black? 


> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=black+jews
> 
> results in 868,000 findings, e.g. this one
> 
> "The JEWS are BLACK pt 1 Roman Catacombs 100-600 AD "
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4S1sad8Yg

How is that evidence that the first Jews were black?

-- 

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream 
up a God superior to themselves. Most 
Gods have the manners and morals of a 
spoiled child.

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#393055

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-09-20 08:00 +0200
Message-ID<e4c1l1Fjg00U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#393026
Am 20.09.2016 02:48, schrieb Jeanne Douglas:

>> My guess: it's all wrong and the biblical Jews were African people.
>
> You're an idiot.
>
>
>> And I found a lot of hits in that direction.
>> But it's also possible to type 'black jews' into the search mask of
>> Google or YouTube.
>
> Why does the existence of black Jews mean that the original Jews were
> black?
>
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=black+jews
>>
>> results in 868,000 findings, e.g. this one
>>
>> "The JEWS are BLACK pt 1 Roman Catacombs 100-600 AD"
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4S1sad8Yg
>
> How is that evidence that the first Jews were black?

If it would be true (what it is not) 'that we all stem from Africa..', 
than this would include Jews.

But the Old Testament of the Bible (~~Thora of the Jews) tells stories 
about these Jews, which includes places in Africa.

This were 'kingdom of the Queen of Sheba' (Ethiopia) and 'land of the 
Pharao' (Egypt).

 From Egypt they fled across the Red Sea towards what is now Saudi-Arabia.

So Jews were actually ancient migrants, that went from Africa to the 
middle East.

This journey indicates a direction from south-West to North-East.

Since almost all native Africans are 'black', the biblical Jews also 
would have been.

And, sure enough, such black Jews exist till the present day and still 
in Ethiopia.


TH

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#393084

FromSmiler <smiler@jo.king>
Date2016-09-20 12:56 +0000
Message-ID<nrrblt$10a7$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#393055
On Tue, 20 Sep 2016 08:00:59 +0200, Thomas Heger wrote:

> Am 20.09.2016 02:48, schrieb Jeanne Douglas:
> 
>>> My guess: it's all wrong and the biblical Jews were African people.
>>
>> You're an idiot.
>>
>>
>>> And I found a lot of hits in that direction.
>>> But it's also possible to type 'black jews' into the search mask of
>>> Google or YouTube.
>>
>> Why does the existence of black Jews mean that the original Jews were
>> black?
>>
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=black+jews
>>>
>>> results in 868,000 findings, e.g. this one
>>>
>>> "The JEWS are BLACK pt 1 Roman Catacombs 100-600 AD"
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4S1sad8Yg
>>
>> How is that evidence that the first Jews were black?
> 
> If it would be true (what it is not) 'that we all stem from Africa..',

Your evidence for that being untrue is what?

> than this would include Jews.

There were no Jews in those that came from Africa.
 
> But the Old Testament of the Bible (~~Thora of the Jews) tells stories
> about these Jews, which includes places in Africa.

And Comic books tell of Superman and his adventures.
Does that mean that Superman actually existed?
 
> This were 'kingdom of the Queen of Sheba' (Ethiopia) and 'land of the
> Pharao' (Egypt).

No evidence supports those stories.
 
>  From Egypt they fled across the Red Sea towards what is now
>  Saudi-Arabia.

Still no evidence.

> So Jews were actually ancient migrants, that went from Africa to the
> middle East.

The evidence suggests that they were Canaanites.
 
> This journey indicates a direction from south-West to North-East.

That would be a very short journey, from Canaan to Canaan.
 
> Since almost all native Africans are 'black', the biblical Jews also
> would have been.

Are Egyptians, Tunisians, Libyans, Moroccans and Algerians 'black' in your 
world?
 
> And, sure enough, such black Jews exist till the present day and still
> in Ethiopia.

Nope. They, the Falasha, were all repatriated to Israel.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#392208

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2016-09-13 07:49 +0000
Message-ID<slrnntfbrt.r2o.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#392158
Thomas Heger wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > >
> > > The exists something called 'freedom of religion'.
> >
> > What we need is freedom *from* religion; especially, freedom
> > from the tax burden that State support of religion imposes
> > on us.
> >
> > ----snip----
> >
> > > because they could eventually believe, that extermination of
> > > non-believers is allowed (what it is not).
> >
> > Fundy Jews, Christuans and Muslims believe *exactly* that,
> > and all three are guilty of genocide.
>
> Islam, Christianity and Judaism were actually the same religion.

Nope. They are the same *type* of religion: monotheist.

> This is a very interesting story and goes like this:
>
> There have been large empires in ancient times, which controlled
> also the believes of their people.
>
> They merged their culture into the exact same early religion
, which is> very ancient and stems from Africa.

Nope. It's a developement of the Semitic polytheism practised
in Babylon and in Israel before the Jews were taken there.

> This were the early Jews, before they went into slavery in Egypt.

That's myth.

----snip----

> The Christians emerged from Judaism as kind of sect.

Christianity is an offshoot of the Essene cult.

> They had the same believe, but no Talmud.

Christianity originated in Saul of Tarsus's perversion of the
propaganda story in the Gospels. He made Jesus too much like
a god, setting up a schism between Judaism and the new cult.
Later political developments made him *into* a god, which
Christians deny with a device they call the "trinity".

> This Christian believe spread around the Middle East and
> merged into the Syrian society. These early Christians
> spoke Aramaic.

The *Jews* of the time spoke Aramaic.

----snip----

The Roman demand for worship of the emperor is what caused
problems between them and the monotheist cults.

----snip----

> Then came the Arabs and conquered the city and the entire
> Empire of the Sassanides.

Mohammed lived in the seventh century. He developed Islam
from what he knew of Judaism and Christianty.

----snip----

> So Jesus and Mohamed were actually the same person, only slightly
> 'Arabified'. And Jesus was, of course, Jewish.

Np. Mohammed was an Arab merchant and trader: got his ideas in his
travels. Jesus was Joshua bar Josheph, an Essene swordman (the
ancient equivalent of a suicide bomber). His mission in Jerusalem
was the assassination of the Temple's Chief Priest. That's why he
was caught armed and at night skulking in the Garden of Gethsemane,
the Chief Priest's residence. And it's why he was crucified: that
was the standard Roman penalty for the crime of revolt against Rome,
which is what the assassination of collaborators was deemed to be.

----snip----

Ned

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#392220

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2016-09-13 18:03 +0200
Message-ID<e3qm9rFeg7dU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#392208
Am 13.09.2016 09:49, schrieb Ned Latham:

>> Islam, Christianity and Judaism were actually the same religion.
>
> Nope. They are the same *type* of religion: monotheist.
>
>> This is a very interesting story and goes like this:
>>
>> There have been large empires in ancient times, which controlled
>> also the believes of their people.
>>
>> They merged their culture into the exact same early religion
> , which is>  very ancient and stems from Africa.
>
> Nope. It's a developement of the Semitic polytheism practised
> in Babylon and in Israel before the Jews were taken there.

>> This were the early Jews, before they went into slavery in Egypt.
>
> That's myth.
>

If you exclude myth from religion, than what will be left over?

>> The Christians emerged from Judaism as kind of sect.
>
> Christianity is an offshoot of the Essene cult.

Ok, I would agree. But it was a Jewish sect, since Christianity came later.

>> They had the same believe, but no Talmud.
>
> Christianity originated in Saul of Tarsus's perversion of the
> propaganda story in the Gospels. He made Jesus too much like
> a god, setting up a schism between Judaism and the new cult.
> Later political developments made him *into* a god, which
> Christians deny with a device they call the "trinity".

I would agree here too, at least somehow. The 'deification' of Jesus was 
part of the Roman policy, who used that as means to spread their own 
believe system.

The Arians (from Syria) opposed this plan and rejected trinity.

So Emperor Constantine prosecuted the Arians and they had to escape.

They fled along the Silk Road to the City 'Merv' in what is now 
Turkmenistan. This what at this time (about 350) the largest city in the 
World (with more than a million citizens).




>> This Christian believe spread around the Middle East and
>> merged into the Syrian society. These early Christians
>> spoke Aramaic.
>
> The *Jews* of the time spoke Aramaic.


Aramaic was at that time spoken all over the Middle East. That was kind 
'Esperanto' of the ancient times.  Especially tradesmen spoke Aramaic.

And the Far Eastern trade along the silk road was certainly the most 
profitable business of its time.

So these trades people were kind of elite. Their home region was 
northern Syria.

There exist ruins of abandoned cities till today.

And the people from there were predominantly Christians. But I would 
guess, they saw no great difference between Judaism and Christianity. So 
the early Christians were kind of 'Reform Jews'.

> The Roman demand for worship of the emperor is what caused
> problems between them and the monotheist cults.
>

Well, a little more than that, since the Romans killed almost all Jews.


They would have killed the Christians too, but they were hidden and 
actually much less. And a number fled into the Empire of the Sassanides.


>
>> Then came the Arabs and conquered the city and the entire
>> Empire of the Sassanides.
>
> Mohammed lived in the seventh century. He developed Islam


This story is most likely not true.

The idea of the historian Ohlig was to search for evidence for the 
existence of this person in the Arabian peninsula of that time.

What he found was Christian symbols e.g. on coins and no written record 
about such a person from independent sources.

So it would make some sense to assume, that the Arabs have reformed the 
Arian believes and created a new religion, with themselves in the centre.

This was actually a common method, and for instance the Greek or Romans 
did that, too.

So  we can safely assume that religious scripts have been influenced by 
the ruling powers of that time. And those had always claimed to be the 
best people possible.

To check, whether or not Christian scripts found their ways into those 
of the Muslims, we need to check the text for similarities. E.g. names, 
symbols, stories or philosophical concepts could have been copied.

If their are similarities of this type, we can be certain, that one 
writer copied from earlier scripts.


> ----snip----
>
>> So Jesus and Mohamed were actually the same person, only slightly
>> 'Arabified'. And Jesus was, of course, Jewish.
>
> Np. Mohammed was an Arab merchant and trader: got his ideas in his
> travels. Jesus was Joshua bar Josheph, an Essene swordman (the
> ancient equivalent of a suicide bomber).

Well many claim this was also how Mohamed behaved.

My assumption is, that Jesus and Mohammed were actually the very same 
person. Only the time was slightly modified, similar as the location.

The real history is very difficult to research, since there is an 
obvious bias towards the own position in any of the regions and believe 
systems involved.

So it is not that easy to find out, who these people really were.

TH

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#392281

FromJeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com>
Date2016-09-13 21:00 -0700
Message-ID<hlwdjsd2-8D172E.21005513092016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#392220
In article <e3qm9rFeg7dU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

> Am 13.09.2016 09:49, schrieb Ned Latham:
> 
> >> Islam, Christianity and Judaism were actually the same religion.
> >
> > Nope. They are the same *type* of religion: monotheist.
> >
> >> This is a very interesting story and goes like this:
> >>
> >> There have been large empires in ancient times, which controlled
> >> also the believes of their people.
> >>
> >> They merged their culture into the exact same early religion
> > , which is>  very ancient and stems from Africa.
> >
> > Nope. It's a developement of the Semitic polytheism practised
> > in Babylon and in Israel before the Jews were taken there.
> 
> >> This were the early Jews, before they went into slavery in Egypt.
> >
> > That's myth.
> >
> 
> If you exclude myth from religion, than what will be left over?

Absolutely nothing. Which is why religion is garbage.


> >> The Christians emerged from Judaism as kind of sect.
> >
> > Christianity is an offshoot of the Essene cult.
> 
> Ok, I would agree. But it was a Jewish sect, since Christianity came later.
> 
> >> They had the same believe, but no Talmud.
> >
> > Christianity originated in Saul of Tarsus's perversion of the
> > propaganda story in the Gospels. He made Jesus too much like
> > a god, setting up a schism between Judaism and the new cult.
> > Later political developments made him *into* a god, which
> > Christians deny with a device they call the "trinity".
> 
> I would agree here too, at least somehow. The 'deification' of Jesus was 
> part of the Roman policy, who used that as means to spread their own 
> believe system.
> 
> The Arians (from Syria) opposed this plan and rejected trinity.
> 
> So Emperor Constantine prosecuted the Arians and they had to escape.
> 
> They fled along the Silk Road to the City 'Merv' in what is now 
> Turkmenistan. This what at this time (about 350) the largest city in the 
> World (with more than a million citizens).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> This Christian believe spread around the Middle East and
> >> merged into the Syrian society. These early Christians
> >> spoke Aramaic.
> >
> > The *Jews* of the time spoke Aramaic.
> 
> 
> Aramaic was at that time spoken all over the Middle East. That was kind 
> 'Esperanto' of the ancient times. 

So you're saying that Aramaic was a joke language that nobody spoke???

> Especially tradesmen spoke Aramaic.
> 
> And the Far Eastern trade along the silk road was certainly the most 
> profitable business of its time.
> 
> So these trades people were kind of elite. Their home region was 
> northern Syria.
> 
> There exist ruins of abandoned cities till today.
> 
> And the people from there were predominantly Christians. But I would 
> guess, they saw no great difference between Judaism and Christianity. So 
> the early Christians were kind of 'Reform Jews'.
> 
> > The Roman demand for worship of the emperor is what caused
> > problems between them and the monotheist cults.
> >
> 
> Well, a little more than that, since the Romans killed almost all Jews.

After they rebelled.


> They would have killed the Christians too, but they were hidden and 
> actually much less. And a number fled into the Empire of the Sassanides.
> 
> 
> >
> >> Then came the Arabs and conquered the city and the entire
> >> Empire of the Sassanides.
> >
> > Mohammed lived in the seventh century. He developed Islam
> 
> 
> This story is most likely not true.
> 
> The idea of the historian Ohlig was to search for evidence for the 
> existence of this person in the Arabian peninsula of that time.
> 
> What he found was Christian symbols e.g. on coins and no written record 
> about such a person from independent sources.
> 
> So it would make some sense to assume, that the Arabs have reformed the 
> Arian believes and created a new religion, with themselves in the centre.

Why would it make sense?


> This was actually a common method, and for instance the Greek or Romans 
> did that, too.
> 
> So  we can safely assume that religious scripts have been influenced by 
> the ruling powers of that time. And those had always claimed to be the 
> best people possible.
> 
> To check, whether or not Christian scripts found their ways into those 
> of the Muslims, we need to check the text for similarities. E.g. names, 
> symbols, stories or philosophical concepts could have been copied.
> 
> If their are similarities of this type, we can be certain, that one 
> writer copied from earlier scripts.
> 
> 
> > ----snip----
> >
> >> So Jesus and Mohamed were actually the same person, only slightly
> >> 'Arabified'. And Jesus was, of course, Jewish.
> >
> > Np. Mohammed was an Arab merchant and trader: got his ideas in his
> > travels. Jesus was Joshua bar Josheph, an Essene swordman (the
> > ancient equivalent of a suicide bomber).
> 
> Well many claim this was also how Mohamed behaved.
> 
> My assumption is, that Jesus and Mohammed were actually the very same 
> person. Only the time was slightly modified, similar as the location.

How can 2 purported people who lived 600 years apart be the same person?


> The real history is very difficult to research, since there is an 
> obvious bias towards the own position in any of the regions and believe 
> systems involved.
> 
> So it is not that easy to find out, who these people really were.

Well, we know Jesus probably didn't even exist, so there's nothing to 
know.

-- 

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream 
up a God superior to themselves. Most 
Gods have the manners and morals of a 
spoiled child.

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#392287

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2016-09-14 06:27 +0000
Message-ID<slrnnthrf9.svb.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#392281
Jeanne Douglas wrote:

----snip----

> Well, we know Jesus probably didn't even exist,

Actually, we know the opposite. "Jesus" is a Latinisation
of the hellenisation ("Iesos") of the Aramaic name "Jeshva"
(in English, "Joshua").

Jeshva barJoshiph (Jesus son of Joseph) probably did exist,
and was, as I said, an assassin who got caught and was
executed in the Roman manner by the Romans for the crime
of rebellion against Rome.

Jesus "Christ* certainly did not exist.

----snip----

Ned

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#392291

FromChristopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date2016-09-14 02:45 -0500
Message-ID<prvhtbpe6nf5ev7vbsrdputv1h762aagaf@4ax.com>
In reply to#392287
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 06:27:54 GMT, Ned Latham
<nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

>Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>
>----snip----
>
>> Well, we know Jesus probably didn't even exist,
>
>Actually, we know the opposite.

We do _not_ know that.

>                                                    "Jesus" is a Latinisation
>of the hellenisation ("Iesos") of the Aramaic name "Jeshva"
>(in English, "Joshua").

So what? It was a common name.

>Jeshva barJoshiph (Jesus son of Joseph) probably did exist,
>and was, as I said, an assassin who got caught and was
>executed in the Roman manner by the Romans for the crime
>of rebellion against Rome.

In spite of the total lack of any evidence.

>Jesus "Christ* certainly did not exist.

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#392308

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2016-09-14 11:14 +0000
Message-ID<slrnntic8r.6ag.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#392291
Christopher A Lee wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> >
> > ----snip----
> >
> > > Well, we know Jesus probably didn't even exist,
> >
> > Actually, we know the opposite.
>
> We do _not_ know that.

Oh, but we do. Read it again.

> > "Jesus" is a Latinisation of the hellenisation ("Iesos")
> > of the Aramaic name "Jeshva" (in English, "Joshua").
>
> So what? It was a common name.

So now those reading this thread who thought it was some
magical Christian thing know otherwise.

> > Jeshva bar Joshiph (Jesus son of Joseph) probably did exist,
> > and was, as I said, an assassin who got caught and was
> > executed in the Roman manner by the Romans for the crime
> > of rebellion against Rome.
>
> In spite of the total lack of any evidence.

Actually, there's quite a lot of collateral information in
the four books that Christians call the gospels. It ain't
hard evidence, but it does dovetail with other sources about
the troubled nature of relations between Rome and the Jews.
And the story itself is clearly Essene propaganda, designed
to draw Roman attention away from the sect and mask its
dual nature from them, but not from other Jews. It just
doesn't make sense except in that light.

And it worked admirably: the Romans didn't wake up
to what the Essenes were doing until nearly two
generations later.

A little indicator for you: "Barabbas" is actually a
hellenisation of "bar abba"; it's a title, not a name,
and it means "son of the father". The "thief" Barabbas
was the leader of the kill squad that Jesus was part
of.

> > Jesus "Christ* certainly did not exist.

Sigh. But look at the mayhem that believing otherwise
has wrought.

Ned

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#392311

FromChristopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date2016-09-14 06:44 -0500
Message-ID<5mditb1qvc7pva7m3naju70c7o7lbbfd2g@4ax.com>
In reply to#392308
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 11:14:35 GMT, Ned Latham
<nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

>Christopher A Lee wrote:
>> Ned Latham wrote:
>> > Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> >
>> > ----snip----
>> >
>> > > Well, we know Jesus probably didn't even exist,
>> >
>> > Actually, we know the opposite.
>>
>> We do _not_ know that.
>
>Oh, but we do. Read it again.
>
>> > "Jesus" is a Latinisation of the hellenisation ("Iesos")
>> > of the Aramaic name "Jeshva" (in English, "Joshua").
>>
>> So what? It was a common name.
>
>So now those reading this thread who thought it was some
>magical Christian thing know otherwise.

What a fucking moron.

It means it is dishonest to claim that this means a specific Jesus
existed.

>> > Jeshva bar Joshiph (Jesus son of Joseph) probably did exist,
>> > and was, as I said, an assassin 

Idiot.

>                                                        who got caught and was
>> > executed in the Roman manner by the Romans for the crime
>> > of rebellion against Rome.
>>
>> In spite of the total lack of any evidence.
>
>Actually, there's quite a lot of collateral information in
>the four books that Christians call the gospels. It ain't

Which are worthless as evidence.

>hard evidence, but it does dovetail with other sources about

What "other sources"?

>the troubled nature of relations between Rome and the Jews.
>And the story itself is clearly Essene propaganda, designed
>to draw Roman attention away from the sect and mask its
>dual nature from them, but not from other Jews. It just
>doesn't make sense except in that light.

Made up, rationalised bullshit.

>And it worked admirably: the Romans didn't wake up
>to what the Essenes were doing until nearly two
>generations later.
>
>A little indicator for you: "Barabbas" is actually a
>hellenisation of "bar abba"; it's a title, not a name,
>and it means "son of the father". 

Give the man a peanut.

>                                                    The "thief" Barabbas
>was the leader of the kill squad that Jesus was part
>of.

What "kill squad"?

>> > Jesus "Christ* certainly did not exist.
>
>Sigh. But look at the mayhem that believing otherwise
>has wrought.

Some of us understand the difference between belief and fact, and
don't need to make up bullshit.

>Ned

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#392314

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2016-09-14 12:31 +0000
Message-ID<slrnntigpo.8f4.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#392311
Christopher A  Lee wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Christopher A Lee wrote:
> > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ----snip----
> > > >
> > > > > Well, we know Jesus probably didn't even exist,
> > > >
> > > > Actually, we know the opposite.
> > >
> > > We do _not_ know that.
> >
> > Oh, but we do. Read it again.

Oh dear. Pore Kwissy-wissy can't work it out.

> > > > "Jesus" is a Latinisation of the hellenisation ("Iesos")
> > > > of the Aramaic name "Jeshva" (in English, "Joshua").
> > >
> > > So what? It was a common name.
> >
> > So now those reading this thread who thought it was some
> > magical Christian thing know otherwise.
>
> What a fucking moron.

Don't be so hard on yourself, Kwissy: we all know you don't
know how to fuck.

> It means it is dishonest to claim that this means a specific
> Jesus existed.

You're wrong again, Kwissy. Its meaning isn't even close to that.

> > > > Jeshva bar Joshiph (Jesus son of Joseph) probably did exist,
> > > > and was, as I said, an assassin
>
> Idiot.

Tch, You've put your .sig in the wrong place, Kwissy.

(Typical moron fuckup)

> > > >                                  who got caught and was
> > > > executed in the Roman manner by the Romans for the crime
> > > > of rebellion against Rome.
> > >
> > > In spite of the total lack of any evidence.
> >
> > Actually, there's quite a lot of collateral information in
> > the four books that Christians call the gospels. It ain't
>
> Which are worthless as evidence.

Gee. What does "it ain't hard evidence" mean, Kwissy?

> > hard evidence, but it does dovetail with other sources about
>
> What "other sources"?

Josephus, for one.

> > the troubled nature of relations between Rome and the Jews.
> > And the story itself is clearly Essene propaganda, designed
> > to draw Roman attention away from the sect and mask its
> > dual nature from them, but not from other Jews. It just
> > doesn't make sense except in that light.
>
> Made up, rationalised bullshit.

Aw. Kwisst-wissy's jealous. He thinks I'm beating him at his
own game.

Pore sook.

> > And it worked admirably: the Romans didn't wake up
> > to what the Essenes were doing until nearly two
> > generations later.
> >
> > A little indicator for you: "Barabbas" is actually a
> > hellenisation of "bar abba"; it's a title, not a name,
> > and it means "son of the father".
>
> Give the man a peanut.

LOL. You *are* a peanut,

> >                                    The "thief" Barabbas
> > was the leader of the kill squad that Jesus was part
> > of.
>
> What "kill squad"?

The kill squad Jesus was part of, dummy. If you try real
hard you can read it above, where the text says 'The
"thief" Barabbas was the leader of the kill squad that
Jesus was part of'.

> > > > Jesus "Christ* certainly did not exist.
> >
> > Sigh. But look at the mayhem that believing otherwise
> > has wrought.
>
> Some of us understand the difference between belief and
> fact, and don't need to make up bullshit.

You know, I never thought I'd ever encounter an insane
atheist. Yet there you are, making a fuss about some
rational deductions that indercut the made-up bullshit
of one of the most evil creeds on the planet, while
leaving that made-up bullshit alone.

Is it true that your shrink had a nervous breakdown?

Ned

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#392317

FromChristopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net>
Date2016-09-14 07:57 -0500
Message-ID<60iitbhiqa9pa8qilg0g0and8k3di85dut@4ax.com>
In reply to#392314
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 12:31:52 GMT, Ned Latham
<nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

>Christopher A  Lee wrote:
>> Ned Latham wrote:
>> > Christopher A Lee wrote:
>> > > Ned Latham wrote:
>> > > > Jeanne Douglas wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > ----snip----
>> > > >
>> > > > > Well, we know Jesus probably didn't even exist,
>> > > >
>> > > > Actually, we know the opposite.
>> > >
>> > > We do _not_ know that.
>> >
>> > Oh, but we do. Read it again.
>
>Oh dear. Pore Kwissy-wissy can't work it out.

Idiot.

>> > > > "Jesus" is a Latinisation of the hellenisation ("Iesos")
>> > > > of the Aramaic name "Jeshva" (in English, "Joshua").
>> > >
>> > > So what? It was a common name.
>> >
>> > So now those reading this thread who thought it was some
>> > magical Christian thing know otherwise.
>>
>> What a fucking moron.
>
>Don't be so hard on yourself, Kwissy: we all know you don't
>know how to fuck.

Idiot.

>> It means it is dishonest to claim that this means a specific
>> Jesus existed.
>
>You're wrong again, Kwissy. Its meaning isn't even close to that.

Idiot.

>> > > > Jeshva bar Joshiph (Jesus son of Joseph) probably did exist,
>> > > > and was, as I said, an assassin
>>
>> Idiot.
>
>Tch, You've put your .sig in the wrong place, Kwissy.
>
>(Typical moron fuckup)

Project much, troll?

>> > > >                                  who got caught and was
>> > > > executed in the Roman manner by the Romans for the crime
>> > > > of rebellion against Rome.
>> > >
>> > > In spite of the total lack of any evidence.
>> >
>> > Actually, there's quite a lot of collateral information in
>> > the four books that Christians call the gospels. It ain't
>>
>> Which are worthless as evidence.
>
>Gee. What does "it ain't hard evidence" mean, Kwissy?

It's not evidence at all, imbecile.

>> > hard evidence, but it does dovetail with other sources about
>>
>> What "other sources"?
>
>Josephus, for one.

Which is clearly a later Christian insertion.

Anybody with a functioning mind would know that no Jew would call
Christianity "the truth" - and that's onlu one of the obvious
problems.

>> > the troubled nature of relations between Rome and the Jews.
>> > And the story itself is clearly Essene propaganda, designed
>> > to draw Roman attention away from the sect and mask its
>> > dual nature from them, but not from other Jews. It just
>> > doesn't make sense except in that light.
>>
>> Made up, rationalised bullshit.
>
>Aw. Kwisst-wissy's jealous. He thinks I'm beating him at his
>own game.

>What a fucking moron. A liar as well as an idioot,

>Pore sook.
>
>> > And it worked admirably: the Romans didn't wake up
>> > to what the Essenes were doing until nearly two
>> > generations later.
>> >
>> > A little indicator for you: "Barabbas" is actually a
>> > hellenisation of "bar abba"; it's a title, not a name,
>> > and it means "son of the father".
>>
>> Give the man a peanut.
>
>LOL. You *are* a peanut,

Idiot.

>> >                                    The "thief" Barabbas
>> > was the leader of the kill squad that Jesus was part
>> > of.
>>
>> What "kill squad"?
>
>The kill squad Jesus was part of, dummy. If you try real
>hard you can read it above, where the text says 'The
>"thief" Barabbas was the leader of the kill squad that
>Jesus was part of'.

The one you plucked out of your arse.

>> > > > Jesus "Christ* certainly did not exist.
>> >
>> > Sigh. But look at the mayhem that believing otherwise
>> > has wrought.
>>
>> Some of us understand the difference between belief and
>> fact, and don't need to make up bullshit.
>
>You know, I never thought I'd ever encounter an insane
>atheist. Yet there you are, making a fuss about some
>rational deductions that indercut the made-up bullshit
>of one of the most evil creeds on the planet, while
>leaving that made-up bullshit alone.

Project much, pathological liar?

>Is it true that your shrink had a nervous breakdown?

You're insane.

>Ned

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#392322

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2016-09-14 15:02 +0000
Message-ID<slrnntipl3.d0r.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#392317
Christopher A  Lee:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Christopher A  Lee wrote:
> > > Ned Latham wrote:

----large serves of the bumbling moron's idiocies snopped----

> > > > hard evidence, but it does dovetail with other sources about
> > >
> > > What "other sources"?
> >
> > Josephus, for one.
>
> Which is clearly a later Christian insertion.

You're wrong again, moron. Read what I said. Keep your idiot
straw man inventions out of it.

> Anybody with a functioning mind would know that no Jew would call
> Christianity "the truth" - and that's onlu one of the obvious
> problems.

Take your straw man irrelevancy and shove it where the sun don't
shine, moron.

> > > > the troubled nature of relations between Rome and the Jews.

Get that into yout pointy little head, you bumbliung moron.

----remainder of the bumbling moron's idiocies snipped----

Med

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#392434

FromJeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 03:02 -0700
Message-ID<hlwdjsd2-17E553.03020715092016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#392322
In article <slrnntipl3.d0r.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>,
 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

> Christopher A  Lee:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > Christopher A  Lee wrote:
> > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> 
> ----large serves of the bumbling moron's idiocies snopped----
> 
> > > > > hard evidence, but it does dovetail with other sources about
> > > >
> > > > What "other sources"?
> > >
> > > Josephus, for one.
> >
> > Which is clearly a later Christian insertion.
> 
> You're wrong again, moron. Read what I said. Keep your idiot
> straw man inventions out of it.
> 
> > Anybody with a functioning mind would know that no Jew would call
> > Christianity "the truth" - and that's onlu one of the obvious
> > problems.
> 
> Take your straw man irrelevancy and shove it where the sun don't
> shine, moron.

Yet another theist moron who doesn't know what a straw man is.

-- 

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream 
up a God superior to themselves. Most 
Gods have the manners and morals of a 
spoiled child.

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#392462

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2016-09-15 15:38 +0000
Message-ID<slrnntlg3s.ib1.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#392434
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Christopher A  Lee:
> > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > Christopher A  Lee wrote:
> > > > > Ned Latham wrote:

----deleted text restored to show up the bunbling of the idiots----

> > > > > > hard evidence, but it does dovetail with other sources about
> > > > > * the troubled nature of relations between Rome and the Jews.
> > > > >
> > > > > What "other sources"?
> > > >
> > > > Josephus, for one.
> > >
> > > Which is clearly a later Christian insertion.
> >
> > You're wrong again, moron. Read what I said. Keep your idiot
> > straw man inventions out of it.

There's quite a lot in Josephus about "the troubled nature of
relations between Rome and the Jews". And *none* of it is later
Christian insertions.

> > > Anybody with a functioning mind would know that no Jew would call
> > > Christianity "the truth" - and that's onlu one of the obvious
> > > problems.
> >
> > Take your straw man irrelevancy and shove it where the sun don't
> > shine, moron.
>
> Yet another theist moron who doesn't know what a straw man is.

Theist? Larf. Your stupidity is mind-boggling.

Ned

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#392433

FromJeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 03:00 -0700
Message-ID<hlwdjsd2-F80D79.03002415092016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#392314
In article <slrnntigpo.8f4.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>,
 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

> Christopher A  Lee wrote:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > Christopher A Lee wrote:
> > > > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > > > Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ----snip----
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well, we know Jesus probably didn't even exist,
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, we know the opposite.
> > > >
> > > > We do _not_ know that.
> > >
> > > Oh, but we do. Read it again.
> 
> Oh dear. Pore Kwissy-wissy can't work it out.
> 
> > > > > "Jesus" is a Latinisation of the hellenisation ("Iesos")
> > > > > of the Aramaic name "Jeshva" (in English, "Joshua").
> > > >
> > > > So what? It was a common name.
> > >
> > > So now those reading this thread who thought it was some
> > > magical Christian thing know otherwise.
> >
> > What a fucking moron.
> 
> Don't be so hard on yourself, Kwissy: we all know you don't
> know how to fuck.
> 
> > It means it is dishonest to claim that this means a specific
> > Jesus existed.
> 
> You're wrong again, Kwissy. Its meaning isn't even close to that.
> 
> > > > > Jeshva bar Joshiph (Jesus son of Joseph) probably did exist,
> > > > > and was, as I said, an assassin
> >
> > Idiot.
> 
> Tch, You've put your .sig in the wrong place, Kwissy.
> 
> (Typical moron fuckup)
> 
> > > > >                                  who got caught and was
> > > > > executed in the Roman manner by the Romans for the crime
> > > > > of rebellion against Rome.
> > > >
> > > > In spite of the total lack of any evidence.
> > >
> > > Actually, there's quite a lot of collateral information in
> > > the four books that Christians call the gospels. It ain't
> >
> > Which are worthless as evidence.
> 
> Gee. What does "it ain't hard evidence" mean, Kwissy?
> 
> > > hard evidence, but it does dovetail with other sources about
> >
> > What "other sources"?
> 
> Josephus, for one.

The passage in his work is a forgery added centuries later. Sheesh!


> > > the troubled nature of relations between Rome and the Jews.
> > > And the story itself is clearly Essene propaganda, designed
> > > to draw Roman attention away from the sect and mask its
> > > dual nature from them, but not from other Jews. It just
> > > doesn't make sense except in that light.
> >
> > Made up, rationalised bullshit.
> 
> Aw. Kwisst-wissy's jealous. He thinks I'm beating him at his
> own game.

Wow, that's a serious delusion you've got going there. 


> Pore sook.
> 
> > > And it worked admirably: the Romans didn't wake up
> > > to what the Essenes were doing until nearly two
> > > generations later.
> > >
> > > A little indicator for you: "Barabbas" is actually a
> > > hellenisation of "bar abba"; it's a title, not a name,
> > > and it means "son of the father".
> >
> > Give the man a peanut.
> 
> LOL. You *are* a peanut,
> 
> > >                                    The "thief" Barabbas
> > > was the leader of the kill squad that Jesus was part
> > > of.
> >
> > What "kill squad"?
> 
> The kill squad Jesus was part of, dummy. If you try real
> hard you can read it above, where the text says 'The
> "thief" Barabbas was the leader of the kill squad that
> Jesus was part of'.

What "kill squad" was that?


> > > > > Jesus "Christ* certainly did not exist.
> > >
> > > Sigh. But look at the mayhem that believing otherwise
> > > has wrought.
> >
> > Some of us understand the difference between belief and
> > fact, and don't need to make up bullshit.
> 
> You know, I never thought I'd ever encounter an insane
> atheist. Yet there you are, making a fuss about some
> rational deductions that indercut the made-up bullshit
> of one of the most evil creeds on the planet, while
> leaving that made-up bullshit alone.

What the fuck are you talking about?


> Is it true that your shrink had a nervous breakdown?

Yours must have.

-- 

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream 
up a God superior to themselves. Most 
Gods have the manners and morals of a 
spoiled child.

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#392460

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2016-09-15 15:29 +0000
Message-ID<slrnntlfi9.ib1.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#392433
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:
> > Christopher A Lee wrote:
> > > Ned Latham wrote:

----snip----

> > > > hard evidence, but it does dovetail with other sources about
> > > > the troubled nature of relations between Rome and the Jews.
> > >
> > > What "other sources"?
> >
> > Josephus, for one.
>
> The passage in his work is a forgery added centuries later. Sheesh!

Fuck, you're thick. That's about the "troubled nature of relations
between Rome and the Jews". Do try to keep up.

> > > > And the story itself is clearly Essene propaganda, designed
> > > > to draw Roman attention away from the sect and mask its
> > > > dual nature from them, but not from other Jews. It just
> > > > doesn't make sense except in that light.
> > >
> > > Made up, rationalised bullshit.
> >
> > Aw. Kwisst-wissy's jealous. He thinks I'm beating him at his
> > own game.
>
> Wow, that's a serious delusion you've got going there.

Aw, gee. Thicky doesn't understand what baiting the bumbling
idiot is.

----snip----

> > > > The "thief" Barabbas was the leader of the kill squad
> > > > that Jesus was part of.
> > >
> > > What "kill squad"?
> >
> > The kill squad Jesus was part of, dummy. If you try real
> > hard you can read it above, where the text says 'The
> > "thief" Barabbas was the leader of the kill squad that
> > Jesus was part of'.
>
> What "kill squad" was that?

Man! You must be this newsgroup's champion thicky! You should
get a neuron implant to double your brain size.

----snip----

> > > Some of us understand the difference between belief and
> > > fact, and don't need to make up bullshit.
> >
> > You know, I never thought I'd ever encounter an insane
> > atheist. Yet there you are, making a fuss about some
> > rational deductions that indercut the made-up bullshit
> > of one of the most evil creeds on the planet, while
> > leaving that made-up bullshit alone.
>
> What the fuck are you talking about?

Religion, you dullard.

> > Is it true that your shrink had a nervous breakdown?
>
> Yours must have.

No prizes for second, loser.

Ned

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#392432

FromJeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com>
Date2016-09-15 02:55 -0700
Message-ID<hlwdjsd2-0E8412.02550715092016@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#392308
In article <slrnntic8r.6ag.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>,
 Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

> Christopher A Lee wrote:
> > Ned Latham wrote:
> > > Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> > >
> > > ----snip----
> > >
> > > > Well, we know Jesus probably didn't even exist,
> > >
> > > Actually, we know the opposite.
> >
> > We do _not_ know that.
> 
> Oh, but we do. Read it again.
> 
> > > "Jesus" is a Latinisation of the hellenisation ("Iesos")
> > > of the Aramaic name "Jeshva" (in English, "Joshua").
> >
> > So what? It was a common name.
> 
> So now those reading this thread who thought it was some
> magical Christian thing know otherwise.
> 
> > > Jeshva bar Joshiph (Jesus son of Joseph) probably did exist,
> > > and was, as I said, an assassin who got caught and was
> > > executed in the Roman manner by the Romans for the crime
> > > of rebellion against Rome.
> >
> > In spite of the total lack of any evidence.
> 
> Actually, there's quite a lot of collateral information in
> the four books that Christians call the gospels. It ain't
> hard evidence,


It's not evidece at all. It's hearsay written down decades after the 
purported events and none of the men whose names are on the gospels had 
anything to do with them.

Hearsay is not evidence.

-- 

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream 
up a God superior to themselves. Most 
Gods have the manners and morals of a 
spoiled child.

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#392453

FromNed Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Date2016-09-15 14:57 +0000
Message-ID<slrnntldmh.ib1.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
In reply to#392432
Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> Ned Latham wrote:

----snup----

----some surreptitiously deleted text restored----

> > Actually, there's quite a lot of collateral information in
> > the four books that Christians call the gospels. It ain't
> * hard evidence, but it does dovetail with other sources about
> * the troubled nature of relations between Rome and the Jews.
>
> It's not evidece at all. It's hearsay written down decades
> after the purported events

Get a dictionary. The word yoiu're looking for is "alleged".

The point of the collateral information is, as the text made
quite clear, not aboiut the alleged events, but about the
nature of relations berween Rome and the Jews.

If you're going yo try to "correct" something, try to avoid
the straw man.

----snip----

Ned

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