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Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ?

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  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-22 06:44 +0100
    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-22 06:15 +0000
      Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-22 09:24 +0100
        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-22 09:36 +0000
          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-23 20:33 +0100
        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-22 05:06 -0800
          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-22 05:18 -0800
            Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Walter Ilinois <walin@wej98j5q.org> - 2015-11-22 14:22 +0000
          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-22 09:05 -0500
            Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-22 19:56 +0000
              Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Walter Ilinois <walin@wej98j5q.org> - 2015-11-22 20:28 +0000
                Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Walter Ilinois <walin@wej98j5q.org> - 2015-11-22 20:45 +0000
                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-22 23:01 -0500
                    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Walter Ilinois <walin@wej98j5q.org> - 2015-11-23 15:31 +0000
              Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-22 17:26 -0500
                Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-23 20:38 +0100
                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-23 17:05 -0500
                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-24 02:55 +0000
                    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 19:23 -0800
                    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-24 05:23 +0100
                      Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-24 10:53 +0000
                        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-24 07:28 -0500
                          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 04:57 -0800
                        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-25 07:54 +0100
                          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-11-25 08:29 +0000
                          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 10:17 -0600
                            Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 08:54 -0800
                            Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-25 19:42 +0100
                              Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 13:21 -0600
                                Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-26 05:06 +0100
                                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-26 04:17 -0800
                                    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-26 04:25 -0800
                                      Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-26 04:48 -0800
                                        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-26 05:25 -0800
                                          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-26 07:07 -0800
                                    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-26 20:56 +0100
                                      Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-27 06:34 -0800
                                        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-28 08:02 +0100
                                          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-29 22:47 -0800
                                            Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-30 18:57 +0100
                                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-27 12:43 -0600
                                    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-28 07:55 +0100
                                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-07 17:53 +0100
                                Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-29 03:57 +0100
                                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-28 20:11 -0800
                                    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-29 07:45 +0100
                                      Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-29 04:31 -0800
                                        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-29 21:35 +0100
                                          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-29 13:57 -0800
                                            Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-30 04:02 +0100
                                              Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-29 19:38 -0800
                                                Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-11-30 05:24 +0100
                                                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-11-29 21:09 -0800
                                                    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-09 07:40 +0100
                                                      Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-09 04:26 -0800
                                                        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-12-24 19:37 +0100
                                                          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-24 12:06 -0800
                                                            Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Waye Kitchens <wscom@complang.net> - 2015-12-24 21:03 +0000
                                                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-30 05:14 -0800
                                      Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 16:53 -0600
                                    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-11-29 12:42 -0800
                                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-29 22:49 -0800
                                  Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 16:51 -0600
                                    Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-12-02 16:34 +0100
                                      Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Carl Heinz Krüger <heinzkrueger@ubernetz.org> - 2015-12-02 15:57 +0000
                                        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-02 14:47 -0800
                                          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Plexippus Kritikos <plexik@laertesegidio.org> - 2015-12-12 17:21 +0000
                                            Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 10:02 -0800
                                              Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 10:10 -0800
                                                Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 22:07 -0800
                        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-24 23:29 -0800
                        Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-25 01:39 -0800
                          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-11-25 02:04 -0800
                          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-11-25 06:04 -0500
                            Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-27 06:27 -0800
            Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 11:22 +0100
          Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 12:42 -0800

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#370593 — Re: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ?

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2015-11-22 06:44 +0100
SubjectRe: Could gravitational energy have a spectrum of colors ?
Message-ID<dbd31aF8gsgU1@mid.individual.net>
Am 14.11.2015 13:45, schrieb Y:
> Don't really need to ask more here...
>
> What do you think ?
>
> -y

We see something blue, if we look upwards.

'Blue' is actually a color and 'up' is related to gravity.


So: possibly something is coming down from the heaven, what gets 
accelerated downwards by gravity and this acceleration causes blueshift.


So some kind of energy is pouring down to Earth, which gets accelerated 
and this acceleration is, what makes the sky blue.


TH

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#370596

Fromshuba <tim@sh.uba>
Date2015-11-22 06:15 +0000
Message-ID<n2rmhq$vif$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#370593
a crank wrote:

> 'Blue' is actually a color and 'up' is related to gravity.
> 
> So: possibly something is coming down from the heaven, what gets
> accelerated downwards by gravity and this acceleration causes
> blueshift.
> 
> So some kind of energy is pouring down to Earth, which gets
> accelerated and this acceleration is, what makes the sky blue.

Then again, perhaps standard long-established physics is correct.
The blue sky is not a mystery and no, it isn't due to blueshift.


         ---Tim Shuba---

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#370600

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2015-11-22 09:24 +0100
Message-ID<dbdcdqFaf8fU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#370596
Am 22.11.2015 07:15, schrieb shuba:
> a crank wrote:
>
>> 'Blue' is actually a color and 'up' is related to gravity.
>>
>> So: possibly something is coming down from the heaven, what gets
>> accelerated downwards by gravity and this acceleration causes
>> blueshift.
>>
>> So some kind of energy is pouring down to Earth, which gets
>> accelerated and this acceleration is, what makes the sky blue.
>
> Then again, perhaps standard long-established physics is correct.
> The blue sky is not a mystery and no, it isn't due to blueshift.
>
Well then, defender of long established physics: why is the sky blue?

TH

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#370603

Fromshuba <tim@sh.uba>
Date2015-11-22 09:36 +0000
Message-ID<n2s2a6$ism$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#370600
a crank wrote:

>why is the sky blue?

I assume, that 'Growing Earth' is actually correct, making the sky
blue as well as proving that 'Hitler' was an English spy.

I assume, there would be different timelines, along which the
disorder in one universe is 'recycled' in another, where time flows
in the opposite direction. This clearly predicts a blue sky.

My own assumption is, that we have actually different timelines, to
which of each is associated an entire universe. So the sky is blue.

My assumption is related to 'complex four-vectors' and 'Pauli
algebra'. Therefore the sky is blue. This sounds certainly strange,
but I would like to express my opinion, this is apparently how
nature works in real. Time-travelers should keep quiet and leave no
signs of their presence. The real nature of the world is understood
somehow, but this is not told to the general public. Instead we
have some sort of blunder, that is utilised to educate apprentices
in the art of logical thinking and acceptance of voodoo rituals.


         ---Tim Shuba---

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#370727

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2015-11-23 20:33 +0100
Message-ID<dbh814FakivU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#370603
Am 22.11.2015 10:36, schrieb shuba:
> a crank wrote:
>
>> why is the sky blue?
>
> I assume, that 'Growing Earth' is actually correct, making the sky
> blue as well as proving that 'Hitler' was an English spy.
>
> I assume, there would be different timelines, along which the
> disorder in one universe is 'recycled' in another, where time flows
> in the opposite direction. This clearly predicts a blue sky.
>
> My own assumption is, that we have actually different timelines, to
> which of each is associated an entire universe. So the sky is blue.
>
> My assumption is related to 'complex four-vectors' and 'Pauli
> algebra'. Therefore the sky is blue. This sounds certainly strange,
> but I would like to express my opinion, this is apparently how
> nature works in real. Time-travelers should keep quiet and leave no
> signs of their presence. The real nature of the world is understood
> somehow, but this is not told to the general public. Instead we
> have some sort of blunder, that is utilised to educate apprentices
> in the art of logical thinking and acceptance of voodoo rituals.
>

Yes, I remember some of these fragments. Only the context was slightly 
different.

what makes me actually happy: that I have such a faithful reader.

Thank's!

But next time you should not stir these pieces so terribly together.


TH

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#370608

FromY <yanarchi@hotmail.com>
Date2015-11-22 05:06 -0800
Message-ID<7c4e522a-f87b-4f35-bb12-febbc8729d47@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#370600
On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+10, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 22.11.2015 07:15, schrieb shuba:
> > a crank wrote:
> >
> >> 'Blue' is actually a color and 'up' is related to gravity.
> >>
> >> So: possibly something is coming down from the heaven, what gets
> >> accelerated downwards by gravity and this acceleration causes
> >> blueshift.
> >>
> >> So some kind of energy is pouring down to Earth, which gets
> >> accelerated and this acceleration is, what makes the sky blue.
> >
> > Then again, perhaps standard long-established physics is correct.
> > The blue sky is not a mystery and no, it isn't due to blueshift.
> >
> Well then, defender of long established physics: why is the sky blue?
> 
> TH



The chemicals in the sky are obviously reflecting colors in the blue range of the visible spectrum. This would also mean that chemicals in the sky have evolved to poorly absorb higher energy light in the visible spectrum. 

Each element probably has a different value for the light it reflects, and this may be the basis of color - each element representing a "primary" color on the palette of colors. 

This may not be useful now, but in the future may be. 

-y



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#370610

FromGary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com>
Date2015-11-22 05:18 -0800
Message-ID<33a0c361-7a2b-4459-bb35-fce895589118@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#370608
On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 6:06:33 AM UTC-7, Y wrote:
>
> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+10, Thomas Heger wrote:
> > Am 22.11.2015 07:15, schrieb shuba:
> > > a crank wrote:
> > >
> > >> 'Blue' is actually a color and 'up' is related to gravity.
> > >>
> > >> So: possibly something is coming down from the heaven, what gets
> > >> accelerated downwards by gravity and this acceleration causes
> > >> blueshift.
> > >>
> > >> So some kind of energy is pouring down to Earth, which gets
> > >> accelerated and this acceleration is, what makes the sky blue.
> > >
> > > Then again, perhaps standard long-established physics is correct.
> > > The blue sky is not a mystery and no, it isn't due to blueshift.
> > >
> > Well then, defender of long established physics: why is the sky blue?
> > 
> > TH
> 
> 
> 
> The chemicals in the sky are obviously reflecting colors in the blue range
> of the visible spectrum. This would also mean that chemicals in the sky
> have evolved to poorly absorb higher energy light in the visible spectrum. 

It's called "scattering" - look it up instead of bloviating nonsense.

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#370618

FromWalter Ilinois <walin@wej98j5q.org>
Date2015-11-22 14:22 +0000
Message-ID<n2sj3g$tim$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#370610
Gary Harnagel wrote:

>> The chemicals in the sky are obviously reflecting colors in the blue
>> range of the visible spectrum. This would also mean that chemicals in
>> the sky have evolved to poorly absorb higher energy light in the
>> visible spectrum.
> 
> It's called "scattering" - look it up instead of bloviating nonsense.

Oblovious nonsense. It's called Rayleigh Light Scattering, whereas the
wavelength of the incident light is larger than the particle. That's why.

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#370616

Fromkefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com>
Date2015-11-22 09:05 -0500
Message-ID<4ri35b9k39j4tfa3pfcb6qqmbvoraqluge@4ax.com>
In reply to#370608
On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 05:06:30 -0800 (PST), Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 6:24:31 PM UTC+10, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 22.11.2015 07:15, schrieb shuba:
>> > a crank wrote:
>> >
>> >> 'Blue' is actually a color and 'up' is related to gravity.
>> >>
>> >> So: possibly something is coming down from the heaven, what gets
>> >> accelerated downwards by gravity and this acceleration causes
>> >> blueshift.
>> >>
>> >> So some kind of energy is pouring down to Earth, which gets
>> >> accelerated and this acceleration is, what makes the sky blue.
>> >
>> > Then again, perhaps standard long-established physics is correct.
>> > The blue sky is not a mystery and no, it isn't due to blueshift.
>> >
>> Well then, defender of long established physics: why is the sky blue?
>> 
>> TH
>
>
>
>The chemicals in the sky are obviously reflecting colors in the blue range of the visible spectrum. This would also mean that chemicals in the sky have evolved to poorly absorb higher energy light in the visible spectrum. 
>
>Each element probably has a different value for the light it reflects, and this may be the basis of color - each element representing a "primary" color on the palette of colors. 
>
>This may not be useful now, but in the future may be. 
>
>-y

         No, the atmosphere _absorbs_ red light,
why don't you google instead of giggling.





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#370652

Fromshuba <tim@sh.uba>
Date2015-11-22 19:56 +0000
Message-ID<n2t6kk$i2s$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#370616
an incompetent fool wrote:

> the atmosphere _absorbs_ red light

This explains why red balloons and red fireworks are invisible.


         ---Tim Shuba---

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#370655

FromWalter Ilinois <walin@wej98j5q.org>
Date2015-11-22 20:28 +0000
Message-ID<n2t8h7$n04$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#370652
shuba wrote:

> an incompetent fool wrote:
> 
>> the atmosphere _absorbs_ red light
> 
> This explains why red balloons and red fireworks are invisible.

Not sure who is the incompetent fool. As the whatever including red is 
absorbed, then the blue is given away intensified. The point is that the 
blue is not absorbed in a sunny day. However, red can also be observed 
when the sun goes down. This is how things works in physics. You have to 
take into occurrence the entire spectrum, assuming what it comes from Sun 
is white, the content of colors is even distributed, before the incidence.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/
Rayleigh_sunlight_scattering.png

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#370659

FromWalter Ilinois <walin@wej98j5q.org>
Date2015-11-22 20:45 +0000
Message-ID<n2t9gp$pm2$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#370655
Walter Ilinois wrote:

> shuba wrote:
> 
>> an incompetent fool wrote:
>> 
>>> the atmosphere _absorbs_ red light
>> 
>> This explains why red balloons and red fireworks are invisible.
> 
> Not sure who is the incompetent fool. As the whatever including red is
> absorbed, then the blue is given away intensified. The point is that the
> blue is not absorbed in a sunny day. However, red can also be observed
> when the sun goes down. This is how things works in physics. You have to
> take into occurrence the entire spectrum, assuming what it comes from
> Sun is white, the content of colors is even distributed, before the
> incidence.
> 
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/
> Rayleigh_sunlight_scattering.png

Maybe the above can be misunderstood. The energy content is conserved. 
Hence at sharper angles, due to the molecular size, say the Nitrogen, the 
Blue color is deflected (the wavelength larger then but closer to the 
molecular size). Now, when the sky is Red, it means the amount of large 
particles, say dust, is the reason the Red content is deflected (red 
wavelength close to the larger dust). Size matter. Especially in my 
Divergent Matter.

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#370672

Fromkefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com>
Date2015-11-22 23:01 -0500
Message-ID<ap355bh19q3jpie09k8nq91voboi13njv2@4ax.com>
In reply to#370659
On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 20:45:13 +0000 (UTC), Walter Ilinois
<walin@wej98j5q.org> wrote:

>Walter Ilinois wrote:
>
>> shuba wrote:
>> 
>>> an incompetent fool wrote:
>>> 
>>>> the atmosphere _absorbs_ red light
>>> 
>>> This explains why red balloons and red fireworks are invisible.
>> 
>> Not sure who is the incompetent fool. As the whatever including red is
>> absorbed, then the blue is given away intensified. The point is that the
>> blue is not absorbed in a sunny day. However, red can also be observed
>> when the sun goes down. This is how things works in physics. You have to
>> take into occurrence the entire spectrum, assuming what it comes from
>> Sun is white, the content of colors is even distributed, before the
>> incidence.
>> 
>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/
>> Rayleigh_sunlight_scattering.png
>
>Maybe the above can be misunderstood. The energy content is conserved. 
>Hence at sharper angles, due to the molecular size, say the Nitrogen, the 
>Blue color is deflected (the wavelength larger then but closer to the 
>molecular size). Now, when the sky is Red, it means the amount of large 
>particles, say dust, is the reason the Red content is deflected (red 
>wavelength close to the larger dust). Size matter. Especially in my 
>Divergent Matter.

        Only the stupid, annoying nym-changing
troll ever says "my Divergent Matter".

         FOAD creep.





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#370702

FromWalter Ilinois <walin@wej98j5q.org>
Date2015-11-23 15:31 +0000
Message-ID<n2vbgn$c2a$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#370672
kefischer wrote:

>>Maybe the above can be misunderstood. The energy content is conserved.
>>Hence at sharper angles, due to the molecular size, say the Nitrogen,
>>the Blue color is deflected (the wavelength larger then but closer to
>>the molecular size). Now, when the sky is Red, it means the amount of
>>large particles, say dust, is the reason the Red content is deflected
>>(red wavelength close to the larger dust). Size matter. Especially in my
>>Divergent Matter.
> 
>         Only the stupid, annoying nym-changing
> troll ever says "my Divergent Matter". FOAD creep.

Probably somebody else. In my theory of Divergent Matter the size of 
"matter" is fundamental. I would even say, size is most fundamental, in 
Physics. Even Transcendental Fundamental. In fact it must be 
transcendental in All possible Universes and Simulation outthere. 
Uneducated individuals like you will never sense this essential 
particularity.

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#370664

Fromkefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com>
Date2015-11-22 17:26 -0500
Message-ID<c8f45b5atiboo28o4p13aimpiu7m41g0ou@4ax.com>
In reply to#370652
On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 19:56:04 +0000 (UTC), shuba <tim@sh.uba> wrote:

>an incompetent fool wrote:
>
>> the atmosphere _absorbs_ red light
>
>This explains why red balloons and red fireworks are invisible.
>
>
>         ---Tim Shuba---

        The scatter story seems to ignore the fact
that molecules do not reflect light as much as
they absorb and re-emit it.

        So, the re-emitted light is more toward
the blue.                 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_spectroscopy




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#370729

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2015-11-23 20:38 +0100
Message-ID<dbh8amFamvgU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#370664
Am 22.11.2015 23:26, schrieb kefischer:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 19:56:04 +0000 (UTC), shuba<tim@sh.uba>  wrote:
>
>> an incompetent fool wrote:
>>
>>> the atmosphere _absorbs_ red light
>>
>> This explains why red balloons and red fireworks are invisible.
>>
>>
>>          ---Tim Shuba---
>
>          The scatter story seems to ignore the fact
> that molecules do not reflect light as much as
> they absorb and re-emit it.
>
>          So, the re-emitted light is more toward
> the blue.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_spectroscopy


Actually the frequency had to be lower, since light looses energy after 
being absorbed and re-emitted.

So we get blue only from violet or UV-radiation.

But what does actually speak against 'blueshift', caused by gravity?

TH

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#370746

Fromkefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com>
Date2015-11-23 17:05 -0500
Message-ID<jo275b5oarqo1s3sm3ktfte3djufhthetj@4ax.com>
In reply to#370729
On Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:38:55 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

>Am 22.11.2015 23:26, schrieb kefischer:
>> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 19:56:04 +0000 (UTC), shuba<tim@sh.uba>  wrote:
>>
>>> an incompetent fool wrote:
>>>
>>>> the atmosphere _absorbs_ red light
>>>
>>> This explains why red balloons and red fireworks are invisible.
>>>
>>>
>>>          ---Tim Shuba---
>>
>>          The scatter story seems to ignore the fact
>> that molecules do not reflect light as much as
>> they absorb and re-emit it.
>>
>>          So, the re-emitted light is more toward
>> the blue.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_spectroscopy
>
>
>Actually the frequency had to be lower, since light looses energy after 
>being absorbed and re-emitted.

       I don't know about that, but light does lose
energy during absorption and re-emission.

       That is seen some as a darker blue 
farther from the Sun.


>So we get blue only from violet or UV-radiation.

       It is more than just loss of energy, each
chemical element absorbs and emits different
colors differently.


>But what does actually speak against 'blueshift', caused by gravity?
>
>TH

        In the case of sunlight, probably little
to none, but for spectral line shifts of other
stars, mostly Doppler, and galactic recession
blue-shift is rare, because almost all are
moving  away, with commensurate redshifts.                

      There may be something in the wavelength
relative to atom size, but I suspect most molecules
are big enough to not make a difference in how
much gets through without getting affected
by the absorption process.




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#370762

Fromshuba <tim@sh.uba>
Date2015-11-24 02:55 +0000
Message-ID<n30jji$l39$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#370729
Thomas Heger wrote:

> But what does actually speak against 'blueshift', caused by gravity?

Earth's gravitation is far too weak to produce an effect detectable
to the human eye. Plus, it's already understood quite well how the
interaction of sunlight with the atmosphere produces the blue sky.


         ---Tim Shuba---

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#370764

From"Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-23 19:23 -0800
Message-ID<d716012e-d245-42e4-96b6-4aff6f8f1fc6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#370762
On Monday, November 23, 2015 at 6:55:55 PM UTC-8, shuba wrote:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> > But what does actually speak against 'blueshift', caused by gravity?
> 
> Earth's gravitation is far too weak to produce an effect detectable
> to the human eye. Plus, it's already understood quite well how the
> interaction of sunlight with the atmosphere produces the blue sky.
> 
> 
>          ---Tim Shuba---

An interesting outline of radiometric 
quantities, along the lines in metaphor 
of "thirteen types of magnetism", where 
the reduction toward unification is key, 
for the organization of all the widely 
diverse features in effect in physical 
systems (natural philosophy).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Radiometry

Eg.

http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/terms.html

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#370766

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2015-11-24 05:23 +0100
Message-ID<dbi71jFhqssU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#370762
Am 24.11.2015 03:55, schrieb shuba:

>> But what does actually speak against 'blueshift', caused by gravity?
>
> Earth's gravitation is far too weak to produce an effect detectable
> to the human eye. Plus, it's already understood quite well how the
> interaction of sunlight with the atmosphere produces the blue sky.
>

Obviously it is not well understood by the participants of this discussion.

So there is actually a possibility, this obvious question is in fact not 
well understood, but the assumed explanation is not the real cause.

I asked this question several times, but found none of the common 
explanations very convincing.

So how about mine?

I associates 'down' with 'timelike'. The vertical in freefall (arrow 
pointing down) is the local 'axis of time'.

Since the Earth is curved, these axis have an angle to the other verticals.

This angle causes the spacelike relation to get in an angle, too.

This angle produces radiation, since the requirement for blackness is, 
that the antisymmetric rotations cancel out. That it cannot do, if they 
have an angle.

This is the same light, you find in a sparc, only MUCH smoother and 
created by another cause.


TH

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