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Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors.

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  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-15 18:57 +0000
    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 19:36 +0000
      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-15 19:52 +0000
        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-15 20:11 +0000
          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-16 00:49 -0400
            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 18:25 +0000
            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-07-17 22:34 +0200
          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 14:53 +0000
            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 10:49 -0500
              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 16:05 +0000
        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-07-16 12:24 +1000
          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-16 11:14 +0000
            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> - 2017-07-16 11:18 +0000
            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-16 12:35 +0000
              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 10:07 -0500
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 18:09 +0000
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 13:24 -0500
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 18:36 +0000
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 19:22 +0000
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 18:47 -0500
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 00:48 -0400
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 14:56 +0000
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 10:50 -0500
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-07-17 22:37 +0200
              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 18:08 +0000
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 13:26 -0500
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 18:36 +0000
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 16:55 -0500
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 01:09 -0400
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 14:59 +0000
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 10:51 -0500
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 16:01 +0000
                              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 11:59 -0500
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-17 16:52 +0000
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 14:33 -0500
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-17 20:05 +0000
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-17 18:10 -0400
                              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-17 23:59 +0000
                                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-17 22:33 -0400
                                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-18 04:03 +0000
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-17 18:23 -0400
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-18 00:00 +0000
                              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-17 22:33 -0400
                                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-18 04:04 +0000
                                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-19 20:03 -0400
                                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-20 01:14 +0000
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Ustin Veterre <utve@nauoe.ct> - 2017-07-18 17:08 +0000
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-18 12:38 -0500
                              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Ustin Veterre <utve@nauoe.ct> - 2017-07-18 17:44 +0000
                                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-18 12:47 -0500
                                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Ustin Veterre <utve@nauoe.ct> - 2017-07-18 17:54 +0000
                                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-19 20:25 -0400
                                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-19 21:19 -0500
                                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-19 20:22 -0400
                                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Ustin Veterre <utve@nauoe.ct> - 2017-07-20 16:55 +0000
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-18 17:36 +0000
                              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Ustin Veterre <utve@nauoe.ct> - 2017-07-18 17:55 +0000
                                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-18 15:36 -0500
                                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Ustin Veterre <utve@nauoe.ct> - 2017-07-18 21:36 +0000
                                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Ustin Veterre <utve@nauoe.ct> - 2017-07-19 20:21 +0000
                                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-19 20:32 -0400
                                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Ustin Veterre <utve@nauoe.ct> - 2017-07-20 16:52 +0000
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 14:58 +0000
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 10:52 -0500
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 18:40 +0000
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 18:49 +0000
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 19:13 -0500
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 15:03 +0000
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 10:53 -0500
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 18:53 +0000
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 16:56 -0500
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 00:57 -0400
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 15:11 +0000
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 10:55 -0500
              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-16 20:35 +0200
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 18:40 +0000
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-07-16 21:19 +0200
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 19:30 +0000
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 16:59 -0500
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 15:14 +0000
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 10:56 -0500
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-17 02:02 +0000
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 02:02 -0400
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 15:21 +0000
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 10:59 -0500
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 15:17 +0000
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-07-17 15:55 +0000
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 11:01 -0500
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 16:09 +0000
                              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 11:58 -0500
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 01:01 -0400
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 15:22 +0000
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 01:45 -0400
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 15:33 +0000
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 11:04 -0500
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 19:25 +0000
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 20:11 +0000
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 17:01 -0500
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 22:19 +0000
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 01:10 -0400
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 08:41 -0500
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 15:34 +0000
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 11:05 -0500
                              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 16:07 +0000
                                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 11:56 -0500
                                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Ustin Veterre <utve@nauoe.ct> - 2017-07-17 22:06 +0000
                                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 18:01 -0500
                                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-17 22:27 -0400
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-17 16:58 +0000
            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 18:26 +0000
              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-16 18:47 +0000
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-16 17:01 -0500
              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-17 00:46 -0400
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 08:43 -0500
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Winfred Plumer <lewru@pulwr.cn> - 2017-07-17 15:35 +0000
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-17 11:06 -0500
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-17 16:59 +0000
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-17 18:15 -0400
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-18 00:02 +0000
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-17 22:35 -0400
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-18 04:05 +0000
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-19 20:04 -0400
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-20 01:15 +0000
                              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-19 21:43 -0400
                                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-19 21:23 -0500
                                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-20 03:42 +0000
                                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-07-20 11:29 -0400
                                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-20 17:27 +0000
                                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-20 19:17 -0400
                                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-21 00:15 +0000
                                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-07-20 21:20 -0400
                                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-21 01:41 +0000
                                              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Serg io <invaalid@invalid.com> - 2017-07-21 09:55 -0500
      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-15 21:46 -0400
        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-16 02:13 +0000
          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 05:49 -0400
            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-21 15:26 +0000
              Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 12:45 -0400
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-21 17:10 +0000
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 13:43 -0400
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-21 18:07 +0000
                      Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 15:10 -0400
                        Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-21 19:32 +0000
                          Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2017-07-21 17:32 -0400
                            Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-07-21 22:11 +0000
                Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. "Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> - 2017-07-22 10:51 -0400
                  Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 17:55 -0500
                    Re: Question about power capacity of electrical motors. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-07-22 17:58 -0500

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#425770

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-21 18:07 +0000
Message-ID<cgs94e-6oo.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#425762
In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 1:10 PM:
>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 11:26 AM:
>>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/15/2017 10:13 PM:
>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jimp wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag Robert Clark
>>>>>>>>>> <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I read that the Tesla electric motor is able to achieve its remarkable
>>>>>>>>>>> power to weight ratio of 8.5 kW/kg, about 10 times better than a
>>>>>>>>>>> typical gasoline engine, because it tightly winds its copper wires in
>>>>>>>>>>> its coils therefore being able to carry more current in the same space.
>>>>>>>>>>> If so, then we should be able to produce more power if we have a
>>>>>>>>>>> material that can carry more current.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have such a material and it is called silver.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gold is much better, something you don't know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Resistivity at 20 C in Ohm meter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Silver 1.59 X 10-8
>>>>>>>> Copper 1.68 X 10-8
>>>>>>>> Gold   2.44 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gold is only used in electrical applications because of it's corrosion
>>>>>>>> resistance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was current density I was most interested in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, because you are clueless about the real world and don't understand
>>>>>> the limits of electrical motors is heat rise due to resistive losses.
>>>>>
>>>>> And what are the resistive losses in nanotube composites compared to copper?
>>>>
>>>> All the references I have say they are higher, do you have somthing that
>>>> says otherwise?
>>>
>>> How about the original article?
>>
>> What about it?
>>
>>> Importantly, the researchers were able to achieve this high current density
>>> tolerance without sacrificing the electrical conductivity of the material,
>>> which is similar to that of pure copper.
>>
>> So what?
>>
>>> "This is the first such material, to the best of my knowledge, that can have
>>> high electrical conductivity and high current density tolerance,"
>>> Subramaniam points out.
>>
>> So what?
>>
>>> Then there is this publication.
>>>
>>> https://www.ifam.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ifam/en/documents/dd/Infobl%C3%A4tter/metal-carbon_nanotube_composites_fraunhofer_ifam_dresden.pdf
>>
>> So what?
>>
>>> You understand this is a *new* material they are talking about, no?  The
>>> focus of the research seems to be on uses for conductors in integrated
>>> circuits where other aspects than conductivity are limiting.
>>
>> So what?
>>
>> The issue is temperature rise due to resistive losses, not anything else.
> 
> You said the resistivity of the CU-CNT material is worse than copper.  Just 
> setting the record straight.

Where?

The closest you did to that is when you stated it was "similar to that of
pure copper".

And since the issue is heat and getting rid of it, what is the thermal
conductivity compared to copper? 

-- 
Jim Pennino

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#425776

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-21 15:10 -0400
Message-ID<oktjbb$b76$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#425770
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 2:07 PM:
> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 1:10 PM:
>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 11:26 AM:
>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/15/2017 10:13 PM:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In sci.physics Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> jimp wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag Robert Clark
>>>>>>>>>>> <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I read that the Tesla electric motor is able to achieve its remarkable
>>>>>>>>>>>> power to weight ratio of 8.5 kW/kg, about 10 times better than a
>>>>>>>>>>>> typical gasoline engine, because it tightly winds its copper wires in
>>>>>>>>>>>> its coils therefore being able to carry more current in the same space.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, then we should be able to produce more power if we have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> material that can carry more current.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have such a material and it is called silver.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gold is much better, something you don't know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Resistivity at 20 C in Ohm meter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Silver 1.59 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>> Copper 1.68 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>> Gold   2.44 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gold is only used in electrical applications because of it's corrosion
>>>>>>>>> resistance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was current density I was most interested in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, because you are clueless about the real world and don't understand
>>>>>>> the limits of electrical motors is heat rise due to resistive losses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And what are the resistive losses in nanotube composites compared to copper?
>>>>>
>>>>> All the references I have say they are higher, do you have somthing that
>>>>> says otherwise?
>>>>
>>>> How about the original article?
>>>
>>> What about it?
>>>
>>>> Importantly, the researchers were able to achieve this high current density
>>>> tolerance without sacrificing the electrical conductivity of the material,
>>>> which is similar to that of pure copper.
>>>
>>> So what?
>>>
>>>> "This is the first such material, to the best of my knowledge, that can have
>>>> high electrical conductivity and high current density tolerance,"
>>>> Subramaniam points out.
>>>
>>> So what?
>>>
>>>> Then there is this publication.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ifam.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ifam/en/documents/dd/Infobl%C3%A4tter/metal-carbon_nanotube_composites_fraunhofer_ifam_dresden.pdf
>>>
>>> So what?
>>>
>>>> You understand this is a *new* material they are talking about, no?  The
>>>> focus of the research seems to be on uses for conductors in integrated
>>>> circuits where other aspects than conductivity are limiting.
>>>
>>> So what?
>>>
>>> The issue is temperature rise due to resistive losses, not anything else.
>>
>> You said the resistivity of the CU-CNT material is worse than copper.  Just
>> setting the record straight.
>
> Where?

See above.

 >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 11:26 AM:
 >>>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> And what are the resistive losses in nanotube composites compared to 
copper?
 >>>>>
 >>>>> All the references I have say they are higher

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#425779

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-21 19:32 +0000
Message-ID<uf1a4e-a8p.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#425776
In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 2:07 PM:
>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 1:10 PM:
>>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 11:26 AM:
>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/15/2017 10:13 PM:
>>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> jimp wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag Robert Clark
>>>>>>>>>>>> <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read that the Tesla electric motor is able to achieve its remarkable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> power to weight ratio of 8.5 kW/kg, about 10 times better than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> typical gasoline engine, because it tightly winds its copper wires in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> its coils therefore being able to carry more current in the same space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, then we should be able to produce more power if we have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> material that can carry more current.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We have such a material and it is called silver.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gold is much better, something you don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Resistivity at 20 C in Ohm meter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Silver 1.59 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>>> Copper 1.68 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>>> Gold   2.44 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gold is only used in electrical applications because of it's corrosion
>>>>>>>>>> resistance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was current density I was most interested in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, because you are clueless about the real world and don't understand
>>>>>>>> the limits of electrical motors is heat rise due to resistive losses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And what are the resistive losses in nanotube composites compared to copper?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the references I have say they are higher, do you have somthing that
>>>>>> says otherwise?
>>>>>
>>>>> How about the original article?
>>>>
>>>> What about it?
>>>>
>>>>> Importantly, the researchers were able to achieve this high current density
>>>>> tolerance without sacrificing the electrical conductivity of the material,
>>>>> which is similar to that of pure copper.
>>>>
>>>> So what?
>>>>
>>>>> "This is the first such material, to the best of my knowledge, that can have
>>>>> high electrical conductivity and high current density tolerance,"
>>>>> Subramaniam points out.
>>>>
>>>> So what?
>>>>
>>>>> Then there is this publication.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.ifam.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ifam/en/documents/dd/Infobl%C3%A4tter/metal-carbon_nanotube_composites_fraunhofer_ifam_dresden.pdf
>>>>
>>>> So what?
>>>>
>>>>> You understand this is a *new* material they are talking about, no?  The
>>>>> focus of the research seems to be on uses for conductors in integrated
>>>>> circuits where other aspects than conductivity are limiting.
>>>>
>>>> So what?
>>>>
>>>> The issue is temperature rise due to resistive losses, not anything else.
>>>
>>> You said the resistivity of the CU-CNT material is worse than copper.  Just
>>> setting the record straight.
>>
>> Where?
> 
> See above.

I notice that with selective editing you have changed the entire discussion.


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#425783

Fromrickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-21 17:32 -0400
Message-ID<oktrlr$76v$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#425779
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 3:32 PM:
> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 2:07 PM:
>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 1:10 PM:
>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 11:26 AM:
>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/15/2017 10:13 PM:
>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag Robert Clark
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read that the Tesla electric motor is able to achieve its remarkable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power to weight ratio of 8.5 kW/kg, about 10 times better than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> typical gasoline engine, because it tightly winds its copper wires in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its coils therefore being able to carry more current in the same space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, then we should be able to produce more power if we have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> material that can carry more current.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have such a material and it is called silver.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gold is much better, something you don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Resistivity at 20 C in Ohm meter
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Silver 1.59 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>>>> Copper 1.68 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>>>> Gold   2.44 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gold is only used in electrical applications because of it's corrosion
>>>>>>>>>>> resistance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was current density I was most interested in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, because you are clueless about the real world and don't understand
>>>>>>>>> the limits of electrical motors is heat rise due to resistive losses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And what are the resistive losses in nanotube composites compared to copper?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the references I have say they are higher, do you have somthing that
>>>>>>> says otherwise?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about the original article?
>>>>>
>>>>> What about it?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Importantly, the researchers were able to achieve this high current density
>>>>>> tolerance without sacrificing the electrical conductivity of the material,
>>>>>> which is similar to that of pure copper.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what?
>>>>>
>>>>>> "This is the first such material, to the best of my knowledge, that can have
>>>>>> high electrical conductivity and high current density tolerance,"
>>>>>> Subramaniam points out.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there is this publication.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ifam.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ifam/en/documents/dd/Infobl%C3%A4tter/metal-carbon_nanotube_composites_fraunhofer_ifam_dresden.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> So what?
>>>>>
>>>>>> You understand this is a *new* material they are talking about, no?  The
>>>>>> focus of the research seems to be on uses for conductors in integrated
>>>>>> circuits where other aspects than conductivity are limiting.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what?
>>>>>
>>>>> The issue is temperature rise due to resistive losses, not anything else.
>>>>
>>>> You said the resistivity of the CU-CNT material is worse than copper.  Just
>>>> setting the record straight.
>>>
>>> Where?
>>
>> See above.
>
> I notice that with selective editing you have changed the entire discussion.

I think you are trying to change the topic now.  Anyway, I think this 
conversation is exhausted.  Bye.

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#425788

Fromjimp@specsol.spam.sux.com
Date2017-07-21 22:11 +0000
Message-ID<7qaa4e-95q.ln1@mail.specsol.com>
In reply to#425783
In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 3:32 PM:
>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 2:07 PM:
>>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 1:10 PM:
>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/21/2017 11:26 AM:
>>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote on 7/15/2017 10:13 PM:
>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag Robert Clark <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics Garfield Dieter <igdle@rdlge.rf> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In sci.physics.electromag Robert Clark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <rgregoryclark@gmspambloackail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read that the Tesla electric motor is able to achieve its remarkable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power to weight ratio of 8.5 kW/kg, about 10 times better than a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> typical gasoline engine, because it tightly winds its copper wires in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its coils therefore being able to carry more current in the same space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, then we should be able to produce more power if we have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> material that can carry more current.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have such a material and it is called silver.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gold is much better, something you don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Resistivity at 20 C in Ohm meter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Silver 1.59 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>>>>> Copper 1.68 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gold   2.44 X 10-8
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gold is only used in electrical applications because of it's corrosion
>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was current density I was most interested in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, because you are clueless about the real world and don't understand
>>>>>>>>>> the limits of electrical motors is heat rise due to resistive losses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And what are the resistive losses in nanotube composites compared to copper?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the references I have say they are higher, do you have somthing that
>>>>>>>> says otherwise?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about the original article?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Importantly, the researchers were able to achieve this high current density
>>>>>>> tolerance without sacrificing the electrical conductivity of the material,
>>>>>>> which is similar to that of pure copper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "This is the first such material, to the best of my knowledge, that can have
>>>>>>> high electrical conductivity and high current density tolerance,"
>>>>>>> Subramaniam points out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then there is this publication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.ifam.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ifam/en/documents/dd/Infobl%C3%A4tter/metal-carbon_nanotube_composites_fraunhofer_ifam_dresden.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You understand this is a *new* material they are talking about, no?  The
>>>>>>> focus of the research seems to be on uses for conductors in integrated
>>>>>>> circuits where other aspects than conductivity are limiting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The issue is temperature rise due to resistive losses, not anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said the resistivity of the CU-CNT material is worse than copper.  Just
>>>>> setting the record straight.
>>>>
>>>> Where?
>>>
>>> See above.
>>
>> I notice that with selective editing you have changed the entire discussion.
> 
> I think you are trying to change the topic now.  Anyway, I think this 
> conversation is exhausted.  Bye.

Good riddence, troll. 

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#425836

From"Robert Clark" <rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com>
Date2017-07-22 10:51 -0400
Message-ID<okvoit$5p7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#425758
>...
>>>
>>> And what are the resistive losses in nanotube composites compared to 
>>> copper?
>>
>> All the references I have say they are higher, do you have somthing that
>> says otherwise?
>
>How about the original article?
>
>Importantly, the researchers were able to achieve this high current density 
>tolerance without sacrificing the electrical conductivity of the material, 
>which is similar to that of pure copper.
>
>"This is the first such material, to the best of my knowledge, that can 
>have high electrical conductivity and high current density tolerance," 
>Subramaniam points out.
>
>Then there is this publication.
>
>https://www.ifam.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ifam/en/documents/dd/Infobl%C3%A4tter/metal-carbon_nanotube_composites_fraunhofer_ifam_dresden.pdf
>
>
>You understand this is a *new* material they are talking about, no?  The 
>focus of the research seems to be on uses for conductors in integrated 
>circuits where other aspects than conductivity are limiting.
>

I don't know if the current density measurements will hold up. NASA Glenn 
was unable to reproduce them. It might be they used a different formulation 
then the original researchers used.

The link you provided by the Fraunhofer institute is interesting however. It 
shows the composites have about twice the strength as regular copper. This 
might be useful for applications requiring high strength as well as high 
conductivity such as overhead high tension wires.

  Bob Clark

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Carbon nanotubes can revolutionize 21st-century technology IF they can be 
made arbitrarily long while
maintaining their strength.

Some proposals to accomplish that here:

From Nanoscale to Macroscale: Applications of Nanotechnology to Production
of Bulk Ultra-Strong Materials.
American Journal of Nanomaterials.
Vol. 4, No. 2, 2016, pp 39-43. doi: 10.12691/ajn-4-2-2 | Research Article.
http://pubs.sciepub.com/ajn/4/2/2/
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#425870

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-22 17:55 -0500
Message-ID<7sl7ncl5oqt4k6i10rrtpftine6soti4tf@4ax.com>
In reply to#425836
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 10:51:55 -0400, "Robert Clark"
<rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:

>... composites have about twice the strength as regular copper.  This
> might be useful for applications requiring high strength....

E.g. when too many teslas tear your magnet apart, something which I've
seen no one on this thread mention yet.

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#425871

FromLofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
Date2017-07-22 17:58 -0500
Message-ID<33m7ncldkj12r7hqdacq6pnate2ag42jk9@4ax.com>
In reply to#425870
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:55:19 -0500, Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 10:51:55 -0400, "Robert Clark"
><rgregoryclark@gmSPAMBLOACKail.com> wrote:
>
>>... composites have about twice the strength as regular copper.  This
>> might be useful for applications requiring high strength....
>
>E.g. when too many teslas tear your magnet apart, something which I've
>seen no one on this thread mention yet.

Jinx!  Just saw someone mention it.  Good.

-- 
Goat

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