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What has your shitty revolution changed

Started byMaciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
First post2026-10-23 10:40 +0200
Last post2026-10-26 08:43 -0700
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  What has your shitty revolution changed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 10:40 +0200
    Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 09:03 +0000
      Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:25 +0200
        Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:27 +0000
          Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:33 +0200
            Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:34 +0000
              Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:44 +0200
                Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:49 +0000
                  Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:50 +0200
                    Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 10:55 +0000
                      Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 12:59 +0200
                        Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:03 +0000
                          Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:08 +0200
                            Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:12 +0000
      Re: What has your shitty revolution changed The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-24 10:45 -0700
        Re: What has your shitty revolution changed "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2026-10-24 20:54 +0200
          Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Sean Bahtiyarov <iy@nrhtbi.ru> - 2026-10-25 17:54 +0000
      Re: What has your shitty revolution changed nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-25 22:34 +0100
        Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-25 22:57 +0100
          Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 15:01 -0700
        Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-25 14:58 -0700
          Re: What has your shitty revolution changed nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-26 12:14 +0100
            Re: What has your shitty revolution changed Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-26 08:43 -0700

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#674979

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-25 14:58 -0700
Message-ID<NjadnSaaJObs5kP3nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#674976
On 10/25/2026 02:34 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Python <python@cccp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Maciej,
>>
>>> Before the idiot came - clocks (mainly pendulums) were adjusted
>>> to indicate t'=t
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> And after Einstein, clocks are still adjusted to realize a chosen time
>> scale.
>>
>> Nobody disputes this.
>
> Maciej has got even that wrong.
> In Einstein's day, so 1905-1915, there was nothing to compare,
> because there was only one 'master clock'.
> (the rotation of the Earth)
>
> Pendulum clocks, accurate to at best a fraction of a second per day,
> were adjusted on a daily basis to the rotation of the Earth
> by observating stellar transits at observatories.
> Pendulum clocks at one observatory were in sync with pendulum clocks at
> another observatory only because both were synchronisd to the Earth.
>
> Einstein could only dream of clocks that would be accurate enough
> to verify relativity directly.
> It would take the development of atomic clocks after WWII
> to achieve that. (as you have explained many times already)
>
> All of his harping on pendulum clocks in the context of relativity
> is pure, and irrelevant bullshit,
>
> Jan
>
>
>
>


Also there are quasar clocks and otherwise the cosmic clockworks,
more than one class of clock, about eternity more than imminity.


Not sure if "imminity" is a "Scrabble" winner, ....

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#674989

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2026-10-26 12:14 +0100
Message-ID<1s3k618.h33iuoi39nksN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#674979
Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/25/2026 02:34 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Python <python@cccp.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Maciej,
> >>
> >>> Before the idiot came - clocks (mainly pendulums) were adjusted
> >>> to indicate t'=t
> >>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> And after Einstein, clocks are still adjusted to realize a chosen time
> >> scale.
> >>
> >> Nobody disputes this.
> >
> > Maciej has got even that wrong.
> > In Einstein's day, so 1905-1915, there was nothing to compare,
> > because there was only one 'master clock'.
> > (the rotation of the Earth)
> >
> > Pendulum clocks, accurate to at best a fraction of a second per day,
> > were adjusted on a daily basis to the rotation of the Earth
> > by observating stellar transits at observatories.
> > Pendulum clocks at one observatory were in sync with pendulum clocks at
> > another observatory only because both were synchronisd to the Earth.
> >
> > Einstein could only dream of clocks that would be accurate enough
> > to verify relativity directly.
> > It would take the development of atomic clocks after WWII
> > to achieve that. (as you have explained many times already)
> >
> > All of his harping on pendulum clocks in the context of relativity
> > is pure, and irrelevant bullshit,
> >
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> Also there are quasar clocks and otherwise the cosmic clockworks,
> more than one class of clock, about eternity more than imminity.

In 1915?

Jan

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#675007

FromRoss Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-26 08:43 -0700
Message-ID<McScnX_lVKCx6EL3nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#674989
On 10/26/2026 04:14 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/25/2026 02:34 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Python <python@cccp.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maciej,
>>>>
>>>>> Before the idiot came - clocks (mainly pendulums) were adjusted
>>>>> to indicate t'=t
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> And after Einstein, clocks are still adjusted to realize a chosen time
>>>> scale.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody disputes this.
>>>
>>> Maciej has got even that wrong.
>>> In Einstein's day, so 1905-1915, there was nothing to compare,
>>> because there was only one 'master clock'.
>>> (the rotation of the Earth)
>>>
>>> Pendulum clocks, accurate to at best a fraction of a second per day,
>>> were adjusted on a daily basis to the rotation of the Earth
>>> by observating stellar transits at observatories.
>>> Pendulum clocks at one observatory were in sync with pendulum clocks at
>>> another observatory only because both were synchronisd to the Earth.
>>>
>>> Einstein could only dream of clocks that would be accurate enough
>>> to verify relativity directly.
>>> It would take the development of atomic clocks after WWII
>>> to achieve that. (as you have explained many times already)
>>>
>>> All of his harping on pendulum clocks in the context of relativity
>>> is pure, and irrelevant bullshit,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Also there are quasar clocks and otherwise the cosmic clockworks,
>> more than one class of clock, about eternity more than imminity.
>
> In 1915?
>
> Jan
>

Since forever, ....

Of course anybody knows that neither the "Big Bang" nor the
"Steady State" hypothesis are falsifiable.

Then, as estimates of the Universe's age have grown by
millions and sometimes billions of years each few years,
and never less, according to configuration and energy of
experiment, then "Steady State" seems more likely, since
each "Big Bang" its estimate was falsified, along
with the isotropy of the Universe and a cosmological
principle and a universal clock hypothesis together,
and the discovery of LaniaKea since the Milky Way,
those keeping things simple. Yet, "Steady State"
is also unfalsifiable, since it would go to infinity.

Then the "polaricentric" is basically galactic with
regards to the absolute frame, with the Milky Way
moving along about 1.5 x 10^8 m/s, while being an
independent rotating frame in the cosmic clockworks
and cosmic bellows where "Dark Matter" is explained
by real space contraction and the linear/rotational
distinction and "Dark Energy" is explained by the
redshift distortion bias. Otherwise the account of
cosmology the sky survey is both falsifiable and falsified.

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