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Names. cld <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> - 2026-01-07 16:00 +0000
Re: Names. athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-01-07 17:45 +0000
Re: Names. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 10:00 -0800
Names and designations of celestial objects (was: Names) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-07 21:29 +0100
Re: Names and designations of celestial objects Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-07 21:00 -0800
Re: Names and designations of celestial objects Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-08 15:06 +0100
Re: Names and designations of celestial objects Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-08 08:37 -0800
Re: Names. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-01-07 20:40 +0100
[OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-07 21:11 +0100
Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-01-08 23:14 -0800
Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-01-09 21:24 -0800
Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-01-09 21:27 -0800
Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-01-10 08:28 -0800
Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-01-10 12:57 -0800
Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System squalk <sq@net.inv> - 2026-01-14 20:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-01-14 18:34 -0800
Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System squalk <sq@net.inv> - 2026-01-15 19:19 +0000
[OT] Address munging (was: [OT] Name of the Solar System) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-01-15 23:31 +0100
Re: Names. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 00:19 -0800
Re: Names. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-09 00:21 -0800
Re: Names. cld <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> - 2026-01-09 19:11 +0000
Re: Names. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-14 18:31 -0800
Re: Names. "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-01-14 18:40 -0800
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| From | cld <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 16:00 +0000 |
| Subject | Names. |
| Message-ID | <x6qcnWb1v_obHsP0nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the other solar systems.
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| From | athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 17:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1767807952-12588@newsgrouper.org> |
| In reply to | #668099 |
cld <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> posted: > > Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the > other solar systems. Trump System? -- athel
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 10:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0YidnXrFQ43QAsP0nZ2dnZfqnPSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #668099 |
On 01/07/2026 08:00 AM, cld wrote: > > Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the > other solar systems. It's usually called "the Terran" or "Terra". We live on Terra-prime or Terra-3, it's called Earth, pretty simple. Most solar systems are distinguished by numbers. There's what's called a catalog of the sky survey, astronomical catalog(s). You might like a book like "Star Lore" which helps describe the many common names of stars and thus their system visible from Earth. For example the Pleiades or Sisters have the same names among cultures on both sides of the Atlantic since from before the Flood, and about that though today the Pole Star or Polaris is the pole star, it's drifted about a few degrees since about 15,000 years ago. Yeah, that's a good point, though.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 21:29 +0100 |
| Subject | Names and designations of celestial objects (was: Names) |
| Message-ID | <10jmfn8$1bajo$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net> |
| In reply to | #668101 |
[X-Post & F'up2 alt.astronomy] Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 01/07/2026 08:00 AM, cld wrote: >> Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the >> other solar systems. > > It's usually called "the Terran" or "Terra". No. "Terra" is a (arguably a mostly language-neutral, thus astronomically more feasible) name for the planet that is called "Earth" in English instead. > We live on Terra-prime or Terra-3, it's called Earth, No, the Sol(ar) System is NOT called "Earth". "Earth" is the name for a planet, NOT a planetary system. "Terra-3" is NOT proper astronomical naming. Planets are numbered after the stars that they orbit, from closer to it than farther away from it, and one uses _Roman_ numerals to number them. The star that Terra orbits is Sol, so the correct designation for the former would be "Sol III". "Terra Prime" instead is a name used *in science-fiction and fantasy* to refer to Earth as the home planet of humans, indicating that there is a similar planet either in our universe (sometimes called "Earth 2") or in parallel universes in which sometimes the story happens as well. > Most solar systems are distinguished by numbers. There is only one Sol(ar) System. Other planetary systems, i.e. systems of exoplanets, are typically named after their primary (star) which in turn is often named after the astronomical project/group that investigated it and, perhaps, the respective planetary system, too. For example, TRAPPIST-1 is a star (the first one) that was investigated by a Belgian team of astronomers (who, tongue-in-cheek, chose an acronym such that it would refer to the renowned Belgian beer style as brewed by and after the fashion of the Trappists, an order of Catholic monks). -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 21:00 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Names and designations of celestial objects |
| Message-ID | <__ednca2jrRlpML0nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #668105 |
On 01/07/2026 12:29 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > [X-Post & F'up2 alt.astronomy] > > Ross Finlayson wrote: >> On 01/07/2026 08:00 AM, cld wrote: >>> Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the >>> other solar systems. >> >> It's usually called "the Terran" or "Terra". > > No. "Terra" is a (arguably a mostly language-neutral, thus astronomically > more feasible) name for the planet that is called "Earth" in English instead. > >> We live on Terra-prime or Terra-3, it's called Earth, > > No, the Sol(ar) System is NOT called "Earth". "Earth" is the name for a > planet, NOT a planetary system. > > "Terra-3" is NOT proper astronomical naming. Planets are numbered after the > stars that they orbit, from closer to it than farther away from it, and one > uses _Roman_ numerals to number them. The star that Terra orbits is Sol, so > the correct designation for the former would be "Sol III". > > "Terra Prime" instead is a name used *in science-fiction and fantasy* to > refer to Earth as the home planet of humans, indicating that there is a > similar planet either in our universe (sometimes called "Earth 2") or in > parallel universes in which sometimes the story happens as well. > >> Most solar systems are distinguished by numbers. > > There is only one Sol(ar) System. Other planetary systems, i.e. systems of > exoplanets, are typically named after their primary (star) which in turn is > often named after the astronomical project/group that investigated it and, > perhaps, the respective planetary system, too. For example, TRAPPIST-1 is a > star (the first one) that was investigated by a Belgian team of astronomers > (who, tongue-in-cheek, chose an acronym such that it would refer to the > renowned Belgian beer style as brewed by and after the fashion of the > Trappists, an order of Catholic monks). > The "prime" appellation is usually "the habitable planet". Or, you know, the planet in the habitable zone, of which there is usually not more than one, though it's course imaginable that in a multitude of worlds that intelligent life could develop on warmer or colder or various chemically worlds than that of Terra, Gaia, Urth, Earth, this blue-green gem in an icy field of stars. Parking lot, .... Of course "multiple worlds hypothesis" is non-scientific non-explanation of contingency, given usual notions of a clock hypothesis and the laws of physics being the same everywhere, then that a "multitude of worlds" is a usual enough notion since antiquity of intelligent life in the universe after things like the Drake equation, Sullivan's "Are We Not Alone", Fontenelle's "Conversations on the Plurality of Worlds", von Daniken, stories since antiquity, and so on. Much like "multiple worlds hypothesis" in physics is unfalsifiable by definition thus non-scientific, then also "pluralism" is not to be confused with "plurality of inhabited worlds", where "pluralism" is non-mathematical. The sky survey offers examples of apparent super-luminal motion. So, ..., notions like "The Macroscope" aren't without inherent scientific merit. Did you know the Batavia-Baikal neutrinophone essentially communicates in real time, .... Ever notice that Barnard's Star moves, .... A lot's been learned about Lyman lines and spectra since Rayleigh-Jeans, about ye olde hydrogen line, and "standard candles". Apparent superluminal motion falsifies usual naive accounts of the light speed limit, so, ....
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-08 15:06 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Names and designations of celestial objects |
| Message-ID | <10jodl9$1hg15$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net> |
| In reply to | #668110 |
[F'up2 alt.astronomy again]
Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 01/07/2026 12:29 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>> On 01/07/2026 08:00 AM, cld wrote:
>>>> Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the
>>>> other solar systems.
>>>
>>> It's usually called "the Terran" or "Terra".
>>
>> No. "Terra" is a (arguably a mostly language-neutral, thus astronomically
>> more feasible) name for the planet that is called "Earth" in English instead.
>>
>>> We live on Terra-prime or Terra-3, it's called Earth,
>>
>> No, the Sol(ar) System is NOT called "Earth". "Earth" is the name for a
>> planet, NOT a planetary system.
>>
>> "Terra-3" is NOT proper astronomical naming. Planets are numbered after the
>> stars that they orbit, from closer to it than farther away from it, and one
>> uses _Roman_ numerals to number them. The star that Terra orbits is Sol, so
>> the correct designation for the former would be "Sol III".
>>
>> "Terra Prime" instead is a name used *in science-fiction and fantasy* to
>> refer to Earth as the home planet of humans, indicating that there is a
>> similar planet either in our universe (sometimes called "Earth 2") or in
>> parallel universes in which sometimes the story happens as well.
>> [...]
>
> The "prime" appellation is usually "the habitable planet".
No. "prime" *literally* means "the first" or "number one", from Latin
/primus/.
> Of course "multiple worlds hypothesis" is non-scientific non-explanation
> of contingency, [confused nonsense]
The "_many_ worlds" _interpretation_ of quantum mechanics is something very
different.
It does not have to do with planets /per se/, but other (parallel)
universes: In this interpretation, possible measurement outcomes that were
however not observed in our universe/reality are realized, and thus would be
observed, in other ("parallel") universes/realities that have the same space
as ours.
> The sky survey offers examples of apparent super-luminal motion.
There is not only one ("the") sky survey, thus your statement is useless.
> So, ..., notions like "The Macroscope" aren't without inherent
> scientific merit.
Nobody even said it would be:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroscope_(science_concept)>
> Ever notice that Barnard's Star moves, ....
It does move because it has a planet (and three other planets). But that
was not confirmed before the 2024 (and 2025).
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnard%27s_Star#Planetary_system>
> A lot's been learned about Lyman lines and
> spectra since Rayleigh-Jeans, about ye olde
> hydrogen line, and "standard candles".
>
>
>
> Apparent superluminal motion falsifies usual
> naive accounts of the light speed limit,
> so, ....
The subject of this discussion are the names and designations of celestial
objects. You are missing the point and are babbling incoherently, moving
from one topic to an unrelated next one, like a mentally ill person:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad>
Probably someone has told you that before.
--
PointedEars
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-08 08:37 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Names and designations of celestial objects |
| Message-ID | <CjydnUXE66-lQML0nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #668114 |
On 01/08/2026 06:06 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> [F'up2 alt.astronomy again]
>
> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 01/07/2026 12:29 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>> On 01/07/2026 08:00 AM, cld wrote:
>>>>> Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the
>>>>> other solar systems.
>>>>
>>>> It's usually called "the Terran" or "Terra".
>>>
>>> No. "Terra" is a (arguably a mostly language-neutral, thus astronomically
>>> more feasible) name for the planet that is called "Earth" in English instead.
>>>
>>>> We live on Terra-prime or Terra-3, it's called Earth,
>>>
>>> No, the Sol(ar) System is NOT called "Earth". "Earth" is the name for a
>>> planet, NOT a planetary system.
>>>
>>> "Terra-3" is NOT proper astronomical naming. Planets are numbered after the
>>> stars that they orbit, from closer to it than farther away from it, and one
>>> uses _Roman_ numerals to number them. The star that Terra orbits is Sol, so
>>> the correct designation for the former would be "Sol III".
>>>
>>> "Terra Prime" instead is a name used *in science-fiction and fantasy* to
>>> refer to Earth as the home planet of humans, indicating that there is a
>>> similar planet either in our universe (sometimes called "Earth 2") or in
>>> parallel universes in which sometimes the story happens as well.
>>> [...]
>>
>> The "prime" appellation is usually "the habitable planet".
>
> No. "prime" *literally* means "the first" or "number one", from Latin
> /primus/.
>
>> Of course "multiple worlds hypothesis" is non-scientific non-explanation
>> of contingency, [confused nonsense]
>
> The "_many_ worlds" _interpretation_ of quantum mechanics is something very
> different.
>
> It does not have to do with planets /per se/, but other (parallel)
> universes: In this interpretation, possible measurement outcomes that were
> however not observed in our universe/reality are realized, and thus would be
> observed, in other ("parallel") universes/realities that have the same space
> as ours.
>
>> The sky survey offers examples of apparent super-luminal motion.
>
> There is not only one ("the") sky survey, thus your statement is useless.
>
>> So, ..., notions like "The Macroscope" aren't without inherent
>> scientific merit.
>
> Nobody even said it would be:
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroscope_(science_concept)>
>
>> Ever notice that Barnard's Star moves, ....
>
> It does move because it has a planet (and three other planets). But that
> was not confirmed before the 2024 (and 2025).
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnard%27s_Star#Planetary_system>
>
>> A lot's been learned about Lyman lines and
>> spectra since Rayleigh-Jeans, about ye olde
>> hydrogen line, and "standard candles".
>>
>>
>>
>> Apparent superluminal motion falsifies usual
>> naive accounts of the light speed limit,
>> so, ....
>
> The subject of this discussion are the names and designations of celestial
> objects. You are missing the point and are babbling incoherently, moving
> from one topic to an unrelated next one, like a mentally ill person:
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad>
>
> Probably someone has told you that before.
>
Hm. I dispute that and suggest instead that you don't
have already the context where what I emit is quite
thoroughly sound and valid and the connections are clear.
Then, when you say that the only result you get from
reading it as crazy, I read that as simply being bereft
of context, then that your reaction is rejection. Then,
as we recall the more extended conversation and all the
matters of scientific fact and definition where you've either
decided or felt compelled to simply enter catatonia instead
of rejection, like about the 1/2/3 or the premier theories
being falsified, I wonder that the only way that you can
consider a critical sort of account of matters of perceived
fact is as of insanity, how brittle and desperate your own
grasp on it must be.
Here for example there's a modal, temporal, relevance logic
in a super-classical setting of the idealistic and analytical
traditions, with the "axiomless" after principles of inversion
and sufficient, _and thorough_, reason, instead of non-contradiction
and merely-inductive reason, resulting an axiomless mono-heno-theory
the includes thusly arriving at geometry, that's always going to
be True, as it's a theory of Truth where Truth is what's both
elementary and conserved, as a sort of pick-it-up-and-put-it-down
theory, it's always available and demands the least and gives the most.
Everyone here has sat at least a lot of a standard linear
curriculum, for example getting a degree or for example
regularly intructing material according to a standard
sort of account of a standard sort of linear curriculum,
here the above is considered a greater one.
So, besides the ideas 1/2/3 about Dark Matter and Dark Energy
having definitely falsified premier theories, then about
the unexplained empirical observations after Magnus effect
of the gyroscopic effects into ballistics and other usual
naive account of the rotational, then as was mentioned
"apparent super-luminal motion" isn't anything except
obviously that, then here for somebody to explain how
physics isn't broken and the world remains real according
to there being a "the laws of physics" same everywhere,
I definitely have an account of that.
I think what might help fellow researchers in foundations
the most is making sure when making logic to reject and omit
the "quasi-modal" aspects like "material implication", which
is immune to inductive reasoning yet has many examples of
being wrong besides just the temporal and modal and relevance
logic itself, and to make it so that it's a relevance logic.
Then, knowing that using these terms, I eschew the quasi-modal,
then it's reflected that what I write has a very, very
comprehensive connectedness, and a thorough sort of wholeness.
Consider for example the "T-theory, A-theory, theatheory" thread
from a few months ago - it's at least a "theory of everything" starting
with "theory of theory".
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 20:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1rokwjf.48v0gk1n3a09xN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #668099 |
cld <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> wrote: > Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the > other solar systems. Why? There is only one Sol, so Solar System should suffice, Jan
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-07 21:11 +0100 |
| Subject | [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) |
| Message-ID | <10jmelc$1b9iv$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net> |
| In reply to | #668099 |
cld wrote:
> Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the
> other solar systems.
1. You have posted to sci.physics.relativity. This is off-topic here.
You should have posted to <news:alt.astronomy>. Next time, check
<news:news.newusers.questions> to determine the right newsgroup for
your question/discussion/problem.
2. Apropos names: Your postings will be more likely read if you post
under your real name. Statistically, single-named posters are more
likely to be trolls or lusers; those only posting under acronyms
doubly so.
3. It is required that the "From" header field of your posting contains
an e-mail address. "clowd@nimbus.net.inv" is not because there is no
top-level domain ".inv", but there could be in the future. See also
RFC 5536 "NetNews Article Format".
4. "Solar System" *is* the official name used by the International
Astronomical Union (IAU), and the preceding is the recommended
spelling. However, I grant you that since the (yet unfinished?)
redesign of the IAU Web site, it is even more difficult to find it
there.[1]
There is only one Solar System because there is only one star called Sol,
Latin for English "the Sun" ("Sol" is derived from the Roman deity "Sol
Invictus", "the unconquered sun"[2]; "sun" developed from Old English
"sunne", cognate with similar words in other Germanic languages[3]),
which is the primary of that planetary system. Other planetary systems
ought NOT be called "solar systems".
Use of the name "Sol" can also be found in astronomy software, for
example Celestia. For that reason I prefer the name "Sol System" that is
also found in good science-fiction.
____
[1]
<https://web.archive.org/web/20250301230114/https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/>
[2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_(Roman_mythology)>
[3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Etymology>
¹ Note that the term "star system" for such a system of celestial objects
around a star or multiple stars, that you often find in popular-scientific
and science-fiction contexts is wrong. The term "star system" exists in
astronomy, but means a system of two or more stars, not planets or smaller
bodies, orbiting each other. For example, the Alpha Centauri System is
correctly named so because it consists of the stars Alpha Centauri A
(Rigil Kentaurus), Alpha Centauri B (Toliman), and Alpha Centauri C
(Proxima Centauri): <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri>
--
PointedEars
Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-08 23:14 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) |
| Message-ID | <6960AAC5.4F04@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #668104 |
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>
> cld wrote:
> > Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the
> > other solar systems.
>
> 1. You have posted to sci.physics.relativity. This is off-topic here.
> You should have posted to <news:alt.astronomy>. Next time, check
> <news:news.newusers.questions> to determine the right newsgroup for
> your question/discussion/problem.
>
> 2. Apropos names: Your postings will be more likely read if you post
> under your real name. Statistically, single-named posters are more
> likely to be trolls or lusers; those only posting under acronyms
> doubly so.
>
> 3. It is required that the "From" header field of your posting contains
> an e-mail address. "clowd@nimbus.net.inv" is not because there is no
> top-level domain ".inv", but there could be in the future. See also
> RFC 5536 "NetNews Article Format".
>
> 4. "Solar System" *is* the official name used by the International
> Astronomical Union (IAU), and the preceding is the recommended
> spelling. However, I grant you that since the (yet unfinished?)
> redesign of the IAU Web site, it is even more difficult to find it
> there.[1]
>
> There is only one Solar System because there is only one star called Sol,
> Latin for English "the Sun" ("Sol" is derived from the Roman deity "Sol
> Invictus", "the unconquered sun"[2]; "sun" developed from Old English
> "sunne", cognate with similar words in other Germanic languages[3]),
> which is the primary of that planetary system. Other planetary systems
> ought NOT be called "solar systems".
>
> Use of the name "Sol" can also be found in astronomy software, for
> example Celestia. For that reason I prefer the name "Sol System" that is
> also found in good science-fiction.
>
> ____
> [1]
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20250301230114/https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/>
> [2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_(Roman_mythology)>
> [3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Etymology>
>
> ¹ Note that the term "star system" for such a system of celestial objects
> around a star or multiple stars, that you often find in popular-scientific
> and science-fiction contexts is wrong. The term "star system" exists in
> astronomy, but means a system of two or more stars, not planets or smaller
> bodies, orbiting each other. For example, the Alpha Centauri System is
> correctly named so because it consists of the stars Alpha Centauri A
> (Rigil Kentaurus), Alpha Centauri B (Toliman), and Alpha Centauri C
> (Proxima Centauri): <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri>
> --
> PointedEars
>
> Twitter: @PointedEars2
> Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
That's ALL sound sooo confusing...
all dis talk of sol, sun, Roman days...
It was then when Caesar and Jesus Christ time...
It's not the God of the Sun that the romans were worshipping...it was
the Sun of God...the Sol of God...the Son of God.
I understand how the confusion came about..but please get dis stuff
right!
dat star in the sky everyone was following is the sol.
God is the Light.
yous are mistaken the sun of god, or god of the son, it's the son of
God!
Yous speld Sonday wrong...
then Monday.
Sunday is God day.
Solday.
Sonday.
Jesus
is
the
Sun
of
God.
Sunday is
God day.
Atheist Day is Hellday.
Hell of a week if you ask me..
Fat ugly girls like to protest to pick up an ice guy.
How do you spel Learing anyway?
I see Trump wants to get rid of all the
communists in the USA hemisphere..
dat explains why they killed JFK, he
let those communists in our hemisphere.
dat to me is punishable by death.
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-09 21:24 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) |
| Message-ID | <6961E278.4431@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #668125 |
The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >
> > cld wrote:
> > > Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the
> > > other solar systems.
> >
> > 1. You have posted to sci.physics.relativity. This is off-topic here.
> > You should have posted to <news:alt.astronomy>. Next time, check
> > <news:news.newusers.questions> to determine the right newsgroup for
> > your question/discussion/problem.
> >
> > 2. Apropos names: Your postings will be more likely read if you post
> > under your real name. Statistically, single-named posters are more
> > likely to be trolls or lusers; those only posting under acronyms
> > doubly so.
> >
> > 3. It is required that the "From" header field of your posting contains
> > an e-mail address. "clowd@nimbus.net.inv" is not because there is no
> > top-level domain ".inv", but there could be in the future. See also
> > RFC 5536 "NetNews Article Format".
> >
> > 4. "Solar System" *is* the official name used by the International
> > Astronomical Union (IAU), and the preceding is the recommended
> > spelling. However, I grant you that since the (yet unfinished?)
> > redesign of the IAU Web site, it is even more difficult to find it
> > there.[1]
> >
> > There is only one Solar System because there is only one star called Sol,
> > Latin for English "the Sun" ("Sol" is derived from the Roman deity "Sol
> > Invictus", "the unconquered sun"[2]; "sun" developed from Old English
> > "sunne", cognate with similar words in other Germanic languages[3]),
> > which is the primary of that planetary system. Other planetary systems
> > ought NOT be called "solar systems".
> >
> > Use of the name "Sol" can also be found in astronomy software, for
> > example Celestia. For that reason I prefer the name "Sol System" that is
> > also found in good science-fiction.
> >
> > ____
> > [1]
> > <https://web.archive.org/web/20250301230114/https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/>
> > [2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_(Roman_mythology)>
> > [3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Etymology>
> >
> > ¹ Note that the term "star system" for such a system of celestial objects
> > around a star or multiple stars, that you often find in popular-scientific
> > and science-fiction contexts is wrong. The term "star system" exists in
> > astronomy, but means a system of two or more stars, not planets or smaller
> > bodies, orbiting each other. For example, the Alpha Centauri System is
> > correctly named so because it consists of the stars Alpha Centauri A
> > (Rigil Kentaurus), Alpha Centauri B (Toliman), and Alpha Centauri C
> > (Proxima Centauri): <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri>
> > --
> > PointedEars
> >
> > Twitter: @PointedEars2
> > Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
>
> That's ALL sound sooo confusing...
> all dis talk of sol, sun, Roman days...
>
> It was then when Caesar and Jesus Christ time...
>
> It's not the God of the Sun that the romans were worshipping...it was
>
> the Sun of God...the Sol of God...the Son of God.
>
> I understand how the confusion came about..but please get dis stuff
> right!
>
> dat star in the sky everyone was following is the sol.
>
> God is the Light.
>
> yous are mistaken the sun of god, or god of the son, it's the son of
> God!
>
> Yous speld Sonday wrong...
>
> then Monday.
>
> Sunday is God day.
>
> Solday.
>
> Sonday.
>
> Jesus
> is
> the
> Sun
> of
> God.
>
> Sunday is
> God day.
It's possible that 'the bible writers' CHANGED The Son Of God to God of
the Sun...
you know how these Jesus killers are.
They shoot babies, don't they.
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-09 21:27 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) |
| Message-ID | <6961E34F.2B7B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #668125 |
The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> >
> > cld wrote:
> > > Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the
> > > other solar systems.
> >
> > 1. You have posted to sci.physics.relativity. This is off-topic here.
> > You should have posted to <news:alt.astronomy>. Next time, check
> > <news:news.newusers.questions> to determine the right newsgroup for
> > your question/discussion/problem.
> >
> > 2. Apropos names: Your postings will be more likely read if you post
> > under your real name. Statistically, single-named posters are more
> > likely to be trolls or lusers; those only posting under acronyms
> > doubly so.
> >
> > 3. It is required that the "From" header field of your posting contains
> > an e-mail address. "clowd@nimbus.net.inv" is not because there is no
> > top-level domain ".inv", but there could be in the future. See also
> > RFC 5536 "NetNews Article Format".
> >
> > 4. "Solar System" *is* the official name used by the International
> > Astronomical Union (IAU), and the preceding is the recommended
> > spelling. However, I grant you that since the (yet unfinished?)
> > redesign of the IAU Web site, it is even more difficult to find it
> > there.[1]
> >
> > There is only one Solar System because there is only one star called Sol,
> > Latin for English "the Sun" ("Sol" is derived from the Roman deity "Sol
> > Invictus", "the unconquered sun"[2]; "sun" developed from Old English
> > "sunne", cognate with similar words in other Germanic languages[3]),
> > which is the primary of that planetary system. Other planetary systems
> > ought NOT be called "solar systems".
> >
> > Use of the name "Sol" can also be found in astronomy software, for
> > example Celestia. For that reason I prefer the name "Sol System" that is
> > also found in good science-fiction.
> >
> > ____
> > [1]
> > <https://web.archive.org/web/20250301230114/https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/>
> > [2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_(Roman_mythology)>
> > [3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Etymology>
> >
> > ¹ Note that the term "star system" for such a system of celestial objects
> > around a star or multiple stars, that you often find in popular-scientific
> > and science-fiction contexts is wrong. The term "star system" exists in
> > astronomy, but means a system of two or more stars, not planets or smaller
> > bodies, orbiting each other. For example, the Alpha Centauri System is
> > correctly named so because it consists of the stars Alpha Centauri A
> > (Rigil Kentaurus), Alpha Centauri B (Toliman), and Alpha Centauri C
> > (Proxima Centauri): <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri>
> > --
> > PointedEars
> >
> > Twitter: @PointedEars2
> > Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
>
> That's ALL sound sooo confusing...
> all dis talk of sol, sun, Roman days...
>
> It was then when Caesar and Jesus Christ time...
>
> It's not the God of the Sun that the romans were worshipping...it was
>
> the Sun of God...the Sol of God...the Son of God.
>
> I understand how the confusion came about..but please get dis stuff
> right!
>
> dat star in the sky everyone was following is the sol.
>
> God is the Light.
>
> yous are mistaken the sun of god, or god of the son, it's the son of
> God!
>
> Yous speld Sonday wrong...
>
> then Monday.
>
> Sunday is God day.
>
> Solday.
>
> Sonday.
>
> Jesus
> is
> the
> Sun
> of
> God.
>
> Sunday is
> God day.
>
> Atheist Day is Hellday.
>
> Hell of a week if you ask me..
>
> Fat ugly girls like to protest to pick up an ice guy.
>
> How do you spel Learing anyway?
>
> I see Trump wants to get rid of all the
> communists in the USA hemisphere..
>
> dat explains why they killed JFK, he
> let those communists in our hemisphere.
>
> dat to me is punishable by death.
To ALLOW communists to enter our hemisphere, and
take over Cuba in OUR hemisphere...is unacceptable.
The only good commie is a dead commie.
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-10 08:28 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) |
| Message-ID | <69627E2E.5532@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #668140 |
The Starmaker wrote:
>
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > >
> > > cld wrote:
> > > > Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the
> > > > other solar systems.
> > >
> > > 1. You have posted to sci.physics.relativity. This is off-topic here.
> > > You should have posted to <news:alt.astronomy>. Next time, check
> > > <news:news.newusers.questions> to determine the right newsgroup for
> > > your question/discussion/problem.
> > >
> > > 2. Apropos names: Your postings will be more likely read if you post
> > > under your real name. Statistically, single-named posters are more
> > > likely to be trolls or lusers; those only posting under acronyms
> > > doubly so.
> > >
> > > 3. It is required that the "From" header field of your posting contains
> > > an e-mail address. "clowd@nimbus.net.inv" is not because there is no
> > > top-level domain ".inv", but there could be in the future. See also
> > > RFC 5536 "NetNews Article Format".
> > >
> > > 4. "Solar System" *is* the official name used by the International
> > > Astronomical Union (IAU), and the preceding is the recommended
> > > spelling. However, I grant you that since the (yet unfinished?)
> > > redesign of the IAU Web site, it is even more difficult to find it
> > > there.[1]
> > >
> > > There is only one Solar System because there is only one star called Sol,
> > > Latin for English "the Sun" ("Sol" is derived from the Roman deity "Sol
> > > Invictus", "the unconquered sun"[2]; "sun" developed from Old English
> > > "sunne", cognate with similar words in other Germanic languages[3]),
> > > which is the primary of that planetary system. Other planetary systems
> > > ought NOT be called "solar systems".
> > >
> > > Use of the name "Sol" can also be found in astronomy software, for
> > > example Celestia. For that reason I prefer the name "Sol System" that is
> > > also found in good science-fiction.
> > >
> > > ____
> > > [1]
> > > <https://web.archive.org/web/20250301230114/https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/>
> > > [2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_(Roman_mythology)>
> > > [3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Etymology>
> > >
> > > ¹ Note that the term "star system" for such a system of celestial objects
> > > around a star or multiple stars, that you often find in popular-scientific
> > > and science-fiction contexts is wrong. The term "star system" exists in
> > > astronomy, but means a system of two or more stars, not planets or smaller
> > > bodies, orbiting each other. For example, the Alpha Centauri System is
> > > correctly named so because it consists of the stars Alpha Centauri A
> > > (Rigil Kentaurus), Alpha Centauri B (Toliman), and Alpha Centauri C
> > > (Proxima Centauri): <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri>
> > > --
> > > PointedEars
> > >
> > > Twitter: @PointedEars2
> > > Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
> >
> > That's ALL sound sooo confusing...
> > all dis talk of sol, sun, Roman days...
> >
> > It was then when Caesar and Jesus Christ time...
> >
> > It's not the God of the Sun that the romans were worshipping...it was
> >
> > the Sun of God...the Sol of God...the Son of God.
> >
> > I understand how the confusion came about..but please get dis stuff
> > right!
> >
> > dat star in the sky everyone was following is the sol.
> >
> > God is the Light.
> >
> > yous are mistaken the sun of god, or god of the son, it's the son of
> > God!
> >
> > Yous speld Sonday wrong...
> >
> > then Monday.
> >
> > Sunday is God day.
> >
> > Solday.
> >
> > Sonday.
> >
> > Jesus
> > is
> > the
> > Sun
> > of
> > God.
> >
> > Sunday is
> > God day.
> >
> > Atheist Day is Hellday.
> >
> > Hell of a week if you ask me..
> >
> > Fat ugly girls like to protest to pick up an ice guy.
> >
> > How do you spel Learing anyway?
> >
> > I see Trump wants to get rid of all the
> > communists in the USA hemisphere..
> >
> > dat explains why they killed JFK, he
> > let those communists in our hemisphere.
> >
> > dat to me is punishable by death.
>
> To ALLOW communists to enter our hemisphere, and
> take over Cuba in OUR hemisphere...is unacceptable.
>
> The only good commie is a dead commie.
In other words, President Trump is surrounded today by a bunch of
cowards like
JFK who let communists in OUR hemisphere.
If Putin or China threatens to use the atomic bombs on us, the cowards
give in.
dats how they got Cuba.
Trump is surrounded by cowards left and right.
He is not going to give in, but the cowards want to give in.
dat was jfk mistake.
get rid of the cowards.
I know how to deal with Putin...
I'LL FUCKING KILL HIM!
done.
next?
oh, dat chink in china????
don't they all pee sitting down????
dats my question.
Do all chinks pee sitting down?
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-10 12:57 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System (was: Names.) |
| Message-ID | <6962BD37.5EE5@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #668145 |
The Starmaker wrote:
>
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > > >
> > > > cld wrote:
> > > > > Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the
> > > > > other solar systems.
> > > >
> > > > 1. You have posted to sci.physics.relativity. This is off-topic here.
> > > > You should have posted to <news:alt.astronomy>. Next time, check
> > > > <news:news.newusers.questions> to determine the right newsgroup for
> > > > your question/discussion/problem.
> > > >
> > > > 2. Apropos names: Your postings will be more likely read if you post
> > > > under your real name. Statistically, single-named posters are more
> > > > likely to be trolls or lusers; those only posting under acronyms
> > > > doubly so.
> > > >
> > > > 3. It is required that the "From" header field of your posting contains
> > > > an e-mail address. "clowd@nimbus.net.inv" is not because there is no
> > > > top-level domain ".inv", but there could be in the future. See also
> > > > RFC 5536 "NetNews Article Format".
> > > >
> > > > 4. "Solar System" *is* the official name used by the International
> > > > Astronomical Union (IAU), and the preceding is the recommended
> > > > spelling. However, I grant you that since the (yet unfinished?)
> > > > redesign of the IAU Web site, it is even more difficult to find it
> > > > there.[1]
> > > >
> > > > There is only one Solar System because there is only one star called Sol,
> > > > Latin for English "the Sun" ("Sol" is derived from the Roman deity "Sol
> > > > Invictus", "the unconquered sun"[2]; "sun" developed from Old English
> > > > "sunne", cognate with similar words in other Germanic languages[3]),
> > > > which is the primary of that planetary system. Other planetary systems
> > > > ought NOT be called "solar systems".
> > > >
> > > > Use of the name "Sol" can also be found in astronomy software, for
> > > > example Celestia. For that reason I prefer the name "Sol System" that is
> > > > also found in good science-fiction.
> > > >
> > > > ____
> > > > [1]
> > > > <https://web.archive.org/web/20250301230114/https://www.iau.org/public/themes/naming/>
> > > > [2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_(Roman_mythology)>
> > > > [3] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Etymology>
> > > >
> > > > ¹ Note that the term "star system" for such a system of celestial objects
> > > > around a star or multiple stars, that you often find in popular-scientific
> > > > and science-fiction contexts is wrong. The term "star system" exists in
> > > > astronomy, but means a system of two or more stars, not planets or smaller
> > > > bodies, orbiting each other. For example, the Alpha Centauri System is
> > > > correctly named so because it consists of the stars Alpha Centauri A
> > > > (Rigil Kentaurus), Alpha Centauri B (Toliman), and Alpha Centauri C
> > > > (Proxima Centauri): <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri>
> > > > --
> > > > PointedEars
> > > >
> > > > Twitter: @PointedEars2
> > > > Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
> > >
> > > That's ALL sound sooo confusing...
> > > all dis talk of sol, sun, Roman days...
> > >
> > > It was then when Caesar and Jesus Christ time...
> > >
> > > It's not the God of the Sun that the romans were worshipping...it was
> > >
> > > the Sun of God...the Sol of God...the Son of God.
> > >
> > > I understand how the confusion came about..but please get dis stuff
> > > right!
> > >
> > > dat star in the sky everyone was following is the sol.
> > >
> > > God is the Light.
> > >
> > > yous are mistaken the sun of god, or god of the son, it's the son of
> > > God!
> > >
> > > Yous speld Sonday wrong...
> > >
> > > then Monday.
> > >
> > > Sunday is God day.
> > >
> > > Solday.
> > >
> > > Sonday.
> > >
> > > Jesus
> > > is
> > > the
> > > Sun
> > > of
> > > God.
> > >
> > > Sunday is
> > > God day.
> > >
> > > Atheist Day is Hellday.
> > >
> > > Hell of a week if you ask me..
> > >
> > > Fat ugly girls like to protest to pick up an ice guy.
> > >
> > > How do you spel Learing anyway?
> > >
> > > I see Trump wants to get rid of all the
> > > communists in the USA hemisphere..
> > >
> > > dat explains why they killed JFK, he
> > > let those communists in our hemisphere.
> > >
> > > dat to me is punishable by death.
> >
> > To ALLOW communists to enter our hemisphere, and
> > take over Cuba in OUR hemisphere...is unacceptable.
> >
> > The only good commie is a dead commie.
>
> In other words, President Trump is surrounded today by a bunch of
> cowards like
> JFK who let communists in OUR hemisphere.
>
> If Putin or China threatens to use the atomic bombs on us, the cowards
> give in.
>
> dats how they got Cuba.
>
> Trump is surrounded by cowards left and right.
>
> He is not going to give in, but the cowards want to give in.
>
> dat was jfk mistake.
>
> get rid of the cowards.
Here is how I would advise Trump to handle Putin...
If Putin sez to Trump..."I'LL FUCKING DROP A NUCLUER BOMB ON MANHATTAN
ISLAND AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE GAZA!!!!"
Trump should simply respond with... "Go ahead and see what happens."
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | squalk <sq@net.inv> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-14 20:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System |
| Message-ID | <hkadnZO5463gYPr0nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #668104 |
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: > cld wrote: > 2. Apropos names: Your postings will be more likely read if you post > under your real name. ------------------------------------ Originally, I opted to post on the newsgroups, rather than on the offshoots, because they allowed anonymous posting. A bid to avoid the grab of the internet for personal info.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-14 18:34 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System |
| Message-ID | <1nydnaRwEbrFz_X0nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #668183 |
On 01/14/2026 12:31 PM, squalk wrote: > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >> cld wrote: > >> 2. Apropos names: Your postings will be more likely read if you post >> under your real name. > > ------------------------------------ > > Originally, I opted to post on the newsgroups, rather than on the > offshoots, because they allowed anonymous posting. > > A bid to avoid the grab of the internet for personal info. It's not so bad when it's not abused. When it is though, misrepresentation over the Internet or generally is perceived as a sort of enhancement to justified penalty to crime. Basically relying on "e-mail address", as with regards to the association of identity with an e-mail address, many countries have laws in effect with regards to the verification of association of identity with an e-mail address, though that's a bit its own protocols for digital mail-box and the post and these kinds of things, with regards to delivery and identity. An e-mail address ending ".invalid", which is not a valid TLD, is somewhere though noted as a "valid invalid" way to write an e-mail address that doesn't exist. It's been a long time since just appending /s/ in an e-mail was a legal signature, "signed". I.e., in the positive sense, an e-mail address and an associated identity speaks for itself.
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| From | squalk <sq@net.inv> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2026-01-15 19:19 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Name of the Solar System |
| Message-ID | <dRydnZT32L1noPT0nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #668186 |
Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 01/14/2026 12:31 PM, squalk wrote: >> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: >>> cld wrote: >> >>> 2. Apropos names: Your postings will be more likely read if you post >>> under your real name. >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Originally, I opted to post on the newsgroups, rather than on the >> offshoots, because they allowed anonymous posting. >> >> A bid to avoid the grab of the internet for personal info. > > It's not so bad when it's not abused. > > When it is though, misrepresentation over the Internet or > generally is perceived as a sort of enhancement to justified > penalty to crime. > > Basically relying on "e-mail address", as with regards to > the association of identity with an e-mail address, many > countries have laws in effect with regards to the verification > of association of identity with an e-mail address, though that's > a bit its own protocols for digital mail-box and the post and > these kinds of things, with regards to delivery and identity. > > An e-mail address ending ".invalid", which is not a valid TLD, > is somewhere though noted as a "valid invalid" way to write > an e-mail address that doesn't exist. > > It's been a long time since just appending /s/ in an e-mail > was a legal signature, "signed". I.e., in the positive sense, > an e-mail address and an associated identity speaks for itself. > > -------------------------------------- Someone said, long ago, that writing .inv at the end of an email would save people from thinking that the email was a valid one. Dont be so complicated, say what is it that you mean.
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| From | Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-01-15 23:31 +0100 |
| Subject | [OT] Address munging (was: [OT] Name of the Solar System) |
| Message-ID | <10kbprf$u8h0$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net> |
| In reply to | #668195 |
squalk wrote: > Someone said, long ago, that writing .inv at the end of an email would > save people from thinking that the email was a valid one. You have been mislead to do "address munging", thereby to violating § 3.1.2 of the Proposed Standard (as far as Network News is concerned, that is considered a quasi-standard) RFC 5536 "Netnews Article Format"; as that is not an e-mail address, but the "From" header field value must contain an e-mail address: <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5536#section-3.1.2> There is a suggestion (that was never on the Standards Track) to use a top-level domain (TLD) that was actually registered merely for testing ad documentation purposes, .invalid, on a regular basis in the "From" header field value in order to avoid getting e-mail spam due to e-mail addresses being harvested from Usenet by professional spammers, and some Usenet service providers allow that in their Terms of Use, sometimes only if a Reply-To header field is present, too (see below): <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2606#section-2> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.invalid> However, I (and several other Usenet regulars) consider that anti-social behavior, an abuse of that TLD (the "From" header field is specified to contain an e-mail address so that communication would be possible in private, too: to discuss off-topic subjects, to clarify misunderstanding in private etc.), and either score down such postings or filter them out entirely such that they never see/download them in the first place (I do the latter). Some people overlook this violation as long as a "Reply-To" header field whose value contains an actual e-mail address (a conforming user agent will automatically use that address when one attempts to reply in private). I do not, also because to my knowledge it is not possible to filter for the Reply-To header field *before* you download the entire message (it is not contained in the message overview list that can be obtained using NNTP that is retrieved when one "downloads headers"). <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5536#section-3.2> See also: <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html>, especially <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro&:~:text=we%20filter%20ruthlessly> HTH F'up2 poster -- PointedEars Twitter: @PointedEars2 Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-09 00:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10jqdmj$25mn5$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #668099 |
On 1/7/2026 8:00 AM, cld wrote: > > Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the > other solar systems. We are Sol 3, Sol is, say, holy_moly? rofl! ;^D
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-01-09 00:21 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10jqdqf$25qdn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #668128 |
On 1/9/2026 12:19 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > On 1/7/2026 8:00 AM, cld wrote: >> >> Our solar system should have a name, to distinguish it from all the >> other solar systems. > > We are Sol 3, Sol is, say, holy_moly? rofl! ;^D Instead of Milkyway for our galaxy, call it Good_Golly_Ms_Molly.... ;^) rofl.
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