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| Started by | Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2023-08-16 17:38 -0700 |
| Last post | 2023-08-29 09:45 -0700 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 358 — 36 participants |
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List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 17:38 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-08-17 12:05 +1000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 20:18 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 20:19 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-17 13:24 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-19 06:58 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:19 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 23:24 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-20 07:08 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 22:16 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:06 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:19 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 19:53 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 17:31 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 18:34 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 19:40 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:10 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:57 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 00:19 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 21:34 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:08 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 15:13 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:28 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 14:43 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 15:04 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 21:19 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 02:05 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-16 23:17 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 15:32 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 20:15 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 11:47 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 20:57 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:13 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:15 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:33 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:14 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 13:48 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:57 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:04 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:48 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 15:13 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-17 17:46 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:29 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 16:40 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-17 20:06 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 09:20 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:23 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:34 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 15:03 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:44 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Mike Fontenot <mlfasf@comcast.net> - 2023-08-17 08:13 -0600
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:59 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:18 -0700
Cranks Richard Hertz and Laurence Crossen run out of arguments "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 09:37 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 20:15 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 11:50 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:12 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:36 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 22:40 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:49 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 22:40 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 13:43 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 23:13 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:44 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-18 12:45 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 04:08 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 14:32 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:16 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:19 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 21:00 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:54 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:48 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 16:49 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:18 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Ben Harin <ianr@ninrbnnr.nn> - 2023-08-18 23:27 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 15:40 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 19:23 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:56 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:18 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:19 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 21:04 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:46 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:53 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:21 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Wayne Bereznevich <nwne@czewnebe.ze> - 2023-08-18 22:37 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:49 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Elton Vakar <eero@aklenaoo.av> - 2023-08-18 23:07 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:19 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Merlan Bauze <emeu@eabezeel.bn> - 2023-08-19 10:13 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-18 15:39 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:21 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 14:56 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 10:22 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:31 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 21:40 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 13:24 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-18 10:56 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:08 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:16 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-18 11:36 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 10:22 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:49 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:24 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:51 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 18:01 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 09:16 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 18:51 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 10:06 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 10:30 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:21 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 12:56 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 07:02 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 16:49 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 07:57 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:35 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:43 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:35 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 08:13 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 08:26 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:13 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:27 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:56 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 10:04 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 19:49 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:07 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:29 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 20:30 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 12:05 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 23:15 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 23:28 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 10:36 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 06:21 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 06:40 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 07:11 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 07:29 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 08:13 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:49 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:58 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 07:53 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 18:03 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 10:50 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 23:21 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 23:21 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 00:38 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 01:02 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 11:54 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 03:05 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-22 09:38 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 20:05 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-22 19:52 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 11:08 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 13:15 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-23 15:52 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-24 11:07 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 14:39 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-03 17:48 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 12:19 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 22:58 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 21:41 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 11:08 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 22:36 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 01:01 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-22 11:54 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 23:06 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 23:23 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 12:01 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 03:10 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 04:22 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-23 13:55 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 05:08 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 15:56 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-24 14:02 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 05:53 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 13:31 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 11:36 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Delmer Tupalo <rptm@lmlelodl.el> - 2023-08-20 18:44 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:29 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Travis Bazili <aail@ttttviat.sv> - 2023-08-23 09:38 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 05:48 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Clarence Talkovsky <nskl@eccaryec.kv> - 2023-08-23 11:53 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 12:11 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 23:21 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 07:04 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 07:10 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:13 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:23 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 18:26 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:56 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 10:07 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 09:32 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 18:56 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 15:10 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-24 14:02 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-24 11:36 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-25 21:45 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-19 11:22 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 20:10 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 22:15 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-20 11:52 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Brett Harkharov <aaah@rthtrath.rk> - 2023-08-19 17:12 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 08:08 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 22:34 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-19 02:50 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Chico Patsalo <tpac@slsialct.ac> - 2023-08-19 10:41 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 12:22 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-23 14:45 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 03:56 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 08:36 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 07:09 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 07:43 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-19 19:18 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 17:01 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-20 12:13 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 17:52 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:47 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 13:55 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 14:40 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 09:12 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 00:32 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 11:24 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:31 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 14:46 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-17 12:52 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-17 22:40 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 15:06 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 06:17 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 11:14 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-18 18:40 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Shon Babukh <koun@bnbuboab.ob> - 2023-08-18 23:38 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 20:04 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-18 13:34 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 15:10 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-19 20:04 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:06 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:37 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 17:21 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 12:28 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 13:05 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 16:47 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-20 01:55 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 19:19 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 15:43 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 16:15 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 18:09 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 18:20 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 19:11 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 22:02 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-20 07:07 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 14:59 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 16:53 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 12:39 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 19:25 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 19:55 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 20:56 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 21:09 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 22:03 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 22:17 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 22:38 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 00:35 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 21:52 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-21 10:36 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-20 22:46 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-21 10:03 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 13:30 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:50 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 17:09 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:34 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 22:42 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 15:30 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:12 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:18 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 13:38 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 14:05 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:41 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:48 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-21 19:11 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 18:56 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-21 23:33 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 21:52 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:07 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:13 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-21 22:24 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 20:34 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 21:41 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 21:53 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-22 09:58 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:19 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 22:25 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 10:47 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 11:28 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-22 14:06 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 22:17 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 20:07 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 20:09 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-08-22 23:20 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 21:49 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 10:46 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 00:44 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Colby Zolotar <bolr@obzooota.yr> - 2023-08-24 09:32 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 10:50 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 14:28 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 21:50 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 06:58 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:26 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 10:41 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 22:21 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 20:10 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-23 01:24 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 22:59 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-21 23:58 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-22 15:19 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-22 17:49 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 20:06 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Evenezer Peltser <etpv@pverreet.zz> - 2023-08-23 11:04 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 20:04 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 14:09 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-21 21:25 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 14:18 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:43 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-19 00:13 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 08:15 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-20 10:38 +0200
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-18 18:43 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 16:52 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-19 14:51 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 16:50 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-21 19:01 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:06 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:07 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:10 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:17 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-21 16:26 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-22 01:31 -0400
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-22 01:00 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Williard Bah <rhab@ihdiadrd.lw> - 2023-08-23 10:30 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 05:57 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Basil Hariton <athi@iaribinh.bo> - 2023-08-23 11:51 +0000
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 07:48 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-21 20:07 -0500
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 17:21 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 17:41 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 18:07 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 19:52 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-18 19:58 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-19 11:30 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 08:51 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 09:55 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-28 15:20 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 06:09 -0700
Re: List of Critics of Relativity: The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-29 09:45 -0700
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 08:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <31e148a9-cc48-4616-86b4-35bfadd7b0dfn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618365 |
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 8:13:08 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:02:54 AM UTC-3, Dono. wrote: > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:56:04 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > [-] > > > > Anyway, I'm interested to see that patdolan has a new right-wing racist > > > > buddy. I had previously ignored Dono.'s repeated and deliberate > > > > misquoting, because he was mainly directing it towards nutters. That > > > > was wrong of me. Now I see that he must join Pentcho Valev, Ken Seto > > > > and Lawrence Clark Crossen in my collection of liars. > > > Yes, he seems to be some kind of Jewish/Isreal fundie. > > > When you say that good people like Albert Einstein and Hannah Ahrent > > > (and many others) vehemently protested against the role Jewish terrorism > > > in the establishment of the state of Isreal he jumps through the roof, > > > > > > Jan > > Typical antisemite, Jan > > > > You (twice) wrote "Isreal" instead of Israel. You can't even write Hannah Arent name correctly (though she was a piece of work herself). > > But what is interesting is that you are still butthurt for being exposed to have not grasped the Alveger experiment. Keep sucking dick to your beloved palis. You and Athel. > Jan is Jewish, So are you, Dick It never stopped you from sucking nazi cock and licking their boots >fucking retarded! Appropriate signature, Dick
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 18:13 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1qfrrtg.1xag1pjwuijnsN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #618360 |
Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:56:04?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > [-] > > > Anyway, I'm interested to see that patdolan has a new right-wing racist > > > buddy. I had previously ignored Dono.'s repeated and deliberate > > > misquoting, because he was mainly directing it towards nutters. That > > > was wrong of me. Now I see that he must join Pentcho Valev, Ken Seto > > > and Lawrence Clark Crossen in my collection of liars. > > Yes, he seems to be some kind of Jewish/Isreal fundie. > > When you say that good people like Albert Einstein and Hannah Ahrent > > (and many others) vehemently protested against the role Jewish terrorism > > in the establishment of the state of Isreal he jumps through the roof, > > > > Jan > Typical antisemite, Jan Yes, really bad guy, that Albert. Nasty. I shouldn't have mentioned him? > You (twice) wrote "Isreal" instead of Israel. You can't even write Hannah > Arent name correctly (though she was a piece of work herself). But what is > interesting is that you are still butthurt for being exposed to have not > grasped the Alveger experiment. Sigh. The problem is you not understanding that you don't understand it. And yes, I admit to giving up on you. You may be able to do the sums, but you do't understand the basics of it, Jan > Keep sucking dick to your beloved palis. > You and Athel.
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 09:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5ae127ba-edad-4d42-8ecf-f8b8d0019d83n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618369 |
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:13:11 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:56:04?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > [-] > > > > Anyway, I'm interested to see that patdolan has a new right-wing racist > > > > buddy. I had previously ignored Dono.'s repeated and deliberate > > > > misquoting, because he was mainly directing it towards nutters. That > > > > was wrong of me. Now I see that he must join Pentcho Valev, Ken Seto > > > > and Lawrence Clark Crossen in my collection of liars. > > > Yes, he seems to be some kind of Jewish/Isreal fundie. > > > When you say that good people like Albert Einstein and Hannah Ahrent > > > (and many others) vehemently protested against the role Jewish terrorism > > > in the establishment of the state of Isreal he jumps through the roof, > > > > > > Jan > > Typical antisemite, Jan > Yes, really bad guy, that Albert. Nasty. > I shouldn't have mentioned him? Nothing to do with Einstein,. everything to do with your sucking up to fakestinians. > > But what is > > interesting is that you are still butthurt for being exposed to have not > > grasped the Alveger experiment. > Sigh. The problem is you not understanding that you don't understand it. So, do you still maintain that Alveger measured OWLS?
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 18:56 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1qfryeh.17m274z1pvf90N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #618373 |
Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:13:11?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:56:04?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > [-] > > > > > Anyway, I'm interested to see that patdolan has a new right-wing > > > > > racist buddy. I had previously ignored Dono.'s repeated and > > > > > deliberate misquoting, because he was mainly directing it towards > > > > > nutters. That was wrong of me. Now I see that he must join Pentcho > > > > > Valev, Ken Seto and Lawrence Clark Crossen in my collection of > > > > > liars. > > > > Yes, he seems to be some kind of Jewish/Isreal fundie. > > > > When you say that good people like Albert Einstein and Hannah Ahrent > > > > (and many others) vehemently protested against the role Jewish terrorism > > > > in the establishment of the state of Isreal he jumps through the roof, > > > > > > > > Jan > > > Typical antisemite, Jan > > Yes, really bad guy, that Albert. Nasty. > > I shouldn't have mentioned him? > > Nothing to do with Einstein,. everything to do with your sucking up to > fakestinians. You deny that Einstein distanced himself, in quite explicit terms, from Jewish terrorism in 1948, as in massacring Palestinian villages? (by the Stern gang, and Menachim Begin's organisation) > > > But what is > > > interesting is that you are still butthurt for being exposed to have not > > > grasped the Alveger experiment. > > Sigh. The problem is you not understanding that you don't understand it. > > So, do you still maintain that Alveger measured OWLS? Yes of course, what else could they possibly have done? The photons that they measured the speed of only go one way, so you can only measure their speed going one way, Jan
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 10:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <be3ae8b4-a400-4e29-9b43-ae45e84e041cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618378 |
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:56:59 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:13:11?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:56:04?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > > Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > [-] > > > > > > Anyway, I'm interested to see that patdolan has a new right-wing > > > > > > racist buddy. I had previously ignored Dono.'s repeated and > > > > > > deliberate misquoting, because he was mainly directing it towards > > > > > > nutters. That was wrong of me. Now I see that he must join Pentcho > > > > > > Valev, Ken Seto and Lawrence Clark Crossen in my collection of > > > > > > liars. > > > > > Yes, he seems to be some kind of Jewish/Isreal fundie. > > > > > When you say that good people like Albert Einstein and Hannah Ahrent > > > > > (and many others) vehemently protested against the role Jewish terrorism > > > > > in the establishment of the state of Isreal he jumps through the roof, > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > Typical antisemite, Jan > > > Yes, really bad guy, that Albert. Nasty. > > > I shouldn't have mentioned him? > > > > Nothing to do with Einstein,. everything to do with your sucking up to > > fakestinians. > You deny that Einstein distanced himself, > in quite explicit terms, from Jewish terrorism in 1948, > as in massacring Palestinian villages? > (by the Stern gang, and Menachim Begin's organisation) I never said that, crank. What I said is that you are a fakestinian lover. Typical of the lefturds. > > > > But what is > > > > interesting is that you are still butthurt for being exposed to have not > > > > grasped the Alveger experiment. > > > Sigh. The problem is you not understanding that you don't understand it. > > > > So, do you still maintain that Alveger measured OWLS? > Yes of course, what else could they possibly have done? I already explained that to you. You need to go back and re-read the post, it was quite detailed. OWLS is not measurable. Incidentally, wiki has a very good article on this, I recommend that you read it and stop making a fool of yourself (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light). Also, Zhang has a very good chapter on this subject in his excellent book.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 19:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1qfs0ik.1lx53lr1vfmlv3N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #618381 |
Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:56:59?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 9:13:11?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 3:56:04?AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > > > Athel Cornish-Bowden <athe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > [-] > > > > > > > Anyway, I'm interested to see that patdolan has a new right-wing > > > > > > > racist buddy. I had previously ignored Dono.'s repeated and > > > > > > > deliberate misquoting, because he was mainly directing it towards > > > > > > > nutters. That was wrong of me. Now I see that he must join Pentcho > > > > > > > Valev, Ken Seto and Lawrence Clark Crossen in my collection of > > > > > > > liars. > > > > > > Yes, he seems to be some kind of Jewish/Isreal fundie. > > > > > > When you say that good people like Albert Einstein and Hannah > > > > > > Ahrent (and many others) vehemently protested against the role > > > > > > Jewish terrorism in the establishment of the state of Isreal he > > > > > > jumps through the roof, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > Typical antisemite, Jan > > > > Yes, really bad guy, that Albert. Nasty. > > > > I shouldn't have mentioned him? > > > > > > Nothing to do with Einstein,. everything to do with your sucking up to > > > fakestinians. > > You deny that Einstein distanced himself, > > in quite explicit terms, from Jewish terrorism in 1948, > > as in massacring Palestinian villages? > > (by the Stern gang, and Menachim Begin's organisation) > > > I never said that, crank. What I said is that you are a fakestinian lover. > Typical of the lefturds. > > > > > But what is interesting is that you are still butthurt for being > > > > > exposed to have not grasped the Alveger experiment. > > > > Sigh. The problem is you not understanding that you don't understand it. > > > > > > So, do you still maintain that Alveger measured OWLS? > > Yes of course, what else could they possibly have done? > > I already explained that to you. You need to go back and re-read the post, > it was quite detailed. Yes, I remember. You completely misunderstood what it is all about. With things that are so thoroughly wrong there is no point in going into details. > OWLS is not measurable. Incidentally, wiki has a very good article on > this, I recommend that you read it and stop making a fool of yourself > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light). Also, Zhang has a > very good chapter on this subject in his excellent book. Yes, I know, it is junk. They badly need a Deletian there, [1] Jan [1] For Prokary: sorry, if it was you who wrote it, but there is no point in mincing words.
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| From | Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 11:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <00fba9d7-ee0e-48fd-aa75-ac944a19ef2fn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618389 |
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:49:15 PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > OWLS is not measurable. Incidentally, wiki has a very good article on > > this, I recommend that you read it and stop making a fool of yourself > > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light). Also, Zhang has a > > very good chapter on this subject in his excellent book. > Yes, I know, it is junk. They badly need a Deletian there, [1] > > Jan > > [1] For Prokary: sorry, if it was you who wrote it, > but there is no point in mincing words. In the "Speed of light" article, I had a major dispute with two other editors, including one who was once a frequent denizen of these groups (Martin Hogbin). After we reached a consensus, Martin, over the next year, gradually reverted everything to the way that he liked it, throwing out our compromise wording. I had no energy to get into another dispute with these two other editors. In the "One way speed of light" article, both of these editors made large contributions. You can see from the following that I made zero contribution to this article. That's sometimes the way that things work out. https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/One-way_speed_of_light
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| From | Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 11:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5f99ac96-343c-465a-bea9-b02d2fbb9212n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618390 |
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:07:06 PM UTC-5, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:49:15 PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > OWLS is not measurable. Incidentally, wiki has a very good article on > > > this, I recommend that you read it and stop making a fool of yourself > > > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light). Also, Zhang has a > > > very good chapter on this subject in his excellent book. > > Yes, I know, it is junk. They badly need a Deletian there, [1] > > > > Jan > > > > [1] For Prokary: sorry, if it was you who wrote it, > > but there is no point in mincing words. > In the "Speed of light" article, I had a major dispute with two other editors, > including one who was once a frequent denizen of these groups (Martin > Hogbin). After we reached a consensus, Martin, over the next year, > gradually reverted everything to the way that he liked it, throwing out > our compromise wording. I had no energy to get into another dispute > with these two other editors. > > In the "One way speed of light" article, both of these editors made large > contributions. You can see from the following that I made zero > contribution to this article. That's sometimes the way that things > work out. > https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/One-way_speed_of_light It appears that "One way speed of light" was split out from "Speed of light" into a separate article. The history of this article documents its former existence as part of the "Speed of light" article, and I can see a historical record of my contributions, 100% of which Martin tossed out.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 20:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1qfs2ud.14qkrsp1z0pqfzN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #618390 |
Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:49:15?PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > OWLS is not measurable. Incidentally, wiki has a very good article on > > > this, I recommend that you read it and stop making a fool of yourself > > > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light). Also, Zhang has a > > > very good chapter on this subject in his excellent book. > > Yes, I know, it is junk. They badly need a Deletian there, [1] > > > > Jan > > > > [1] For Prokary: sorry, if it was you who wrote it, > > but there is no point in mincing words. > > In the "Speed of light" article, I had a major dispute with two other editors, > including one who was once a frequent denizen of these groups (Martin > Hogbin). After we reached a consensus, Martin, over the next year, > gradually reverted everything to the way that he liked it, throwing out > our compromise wording. I had no energy to get into another dispute > with these two other editors. > > In the "One way speed of light" article, both of these editors made large > contributions. You can see from the following that I made zero > contribution to this article. That's sometimes the way that things > work out. > https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/One-way_speed_of_light Good for you. It is junk, as it stands. (obviously compiled by someone with only a second-hand understanding of the issues) Again, sorry, even if it isn't about you. Don't know what you would have written of course, but it could hardly have been worse. And yes, I have a second-hand idea of the way things work out at wikip, just from hearsay of course. The one with the most staying power often gets his way, even if his positions make little sense. He then has the power to effectively veto fundamental changes. Changing things could be an uphill battle. Don't think I want to be just negative: Wikipedia is usally incredibly good on math and phys subjects. Jan (don't do wikip)
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| From | Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 12:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <25916492-0917-4663-995f-a5a06f961792n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618393 |
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:30:49 PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: > Good for you. It is junk, as it stands. > (obviously compiled by someone with only a second-hand understanding of > the issues) Again, sorry, even if it isn't about you. > Don't know what you would have written of course, > but it could hardly have been worse. > > And yes, I have a second-hand idea of the way things work out at wikip, > just from hearsay of course. > The one with the most staying power often gets his way, > even if his positions make little sense. > He then has the power to effectively veto fundamental changes. > Changing things could be an uphill battle. > > Don't think I want to be just negative: Wikipedia is usally > incredibly good on math and phys subjects. > > Jan > (don't do wikip) Martin considered himself to be a strict "conventionalist" and completely denied any ability to measure the one way speed of light because of the clock synchronization issue.
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| From | Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 23:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a4651608-b59c-447d-b690-028da121520bn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618396 |
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:05:26 PM UTC-5, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:30:49 PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > Don't think I want to be just negative: Wikipedia is usally > > incredibly good on math and phys subjects. > > > > Jan > > (don't do wikip) > Martin considered himself to be a strict "conventionalist" and completely > denied any ability to measure the one way speed of light because of the > clock synchronization issue. The basic disagreement between Martin, D.H and myself revolved around the conventionality thesis, which is summarized here: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-convensimul/ I am an anti-conventionalist. Martin and D.H were conventionalists. D.H was willing to allow language indicating that the debate is far from settled. Martin, however, considered that the anti-conventionalists, who include authorities such as Clifford Will, Mansouri & Sexl, and Ohanian, are just plain wrong. The central section that Martin and I fought over was this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light#The_one-way_speed In the current way that this section is worded, the conventionalists just plain won the war, pure and simple. Zhang and Anderson are right, while Will, Mansouri & Sexl, and Ohanian are wrong, et cetera. The entire article reflects this viewpoint.
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-20 23:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f75e508f-ee6a-48c7-acc0-a6cb45d871fcn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618440 |
On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 08:15:43 UTC+2, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:05:26 PM UTC-5, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:30:49 PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > Don't think I want to be just negative: Wikipedia is usally > > > incredibly good on math and phys subjects. > > > > > > Jan > > > (don't do wikip) > > Martin considered himself to be a strict "conventionalist" and completely > > denied any ability to measure the one way speed of light because of the > > clock synchronization issue. > The basic disagreement between Martin, D.H and myself revolved > around the conventionality thesis, which is summarized here: > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-convensimul/ > > I am an anti-conventionalist. Martin and D.H were conventionalists. > D.H was willing to allow language indicating that the debate > is far from settled. Martin, however, considered that the > anti-conventionalists, who include authorities such as Clifford Will, > Mansouri & Sexl, and Ohanian, are just plain wrong. You surely are, poor fanatic trash. You should have followed Poincare instead your idiot guru.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2023-08-21 10:36 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1qft4ql.110kjl6lijzzaN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #618440 |
Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:05:26?PM UTC-5, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog: > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:30:49?PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > Don't think I want to be just negative: Wikipedia is usally > > > incredibly good on math and phys subjects. > > > > > > Jan > > > (don't do wikip) > > Martin considered himself to be a strict "conventionalist" and completely > > denied any ability to measure the one way speed of light because of the > > clock synchronization issue. > > The basic disagreement between Martin, D.H and myself revolved > around the conventionality thesis, which is summarized here: > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-convensimul/ > > I am an anti-conventionalist. Martin and D.H were conventionalists. > D.H was willing to allow language indicating that the debate > is far from settled. Martin, however, considered that the > anti-conventionalists, who include authorities such as Clifford Will, > Mansouri & Sexl, and Ohanian, are just plain wrong. Now that is strange indeed. Clifford Will ... and Ohanian are -the- (world-renowned) experts and authorities on the use and interpretation of general relativity. In particular, Clifford M. Will, Theory and experiment in gravitational physics, 2nd Edition (2018) is considered to be the standard reference on the subject. > The central section that Martin and I fought over was this one: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light#The_one-way_speed > In the current way that this section is worded, the conventionalists > just plain won the war, pure and simple. Zhang and Anderson are > right, while Will, Mansouri & Sexl, and Ohanian are wrong, et cetera. > > The entire article reflects this viewpoint. Strange how philosophers of science always succeed in laying perfectly good physics waste, Jan
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-21 06:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <47a9f0db-4588-40e1-87e6-6f454ee3baaen@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618446 |
On Monday, 21 August 2023 at 10:36:40 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote: > Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.c...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:05:26?PM UTC-5, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog: > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:30:49?PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > > > Don't think I want to be just negative: Wikipedia is usally > > > > incredibly good on math and phys subjects. > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > (don't do wikip) > > > Martin considered himself to be a strict "conventionalist" and completely > > > denied any ability to measure the one way speed of light because of the > > > clock synchronization issue. > > > > The basic disagreement between Martin, D.H and myself revolved > > around the conventionality thesis, which is summarized here: > > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-convensimul/ > > > > I am an anti-conventionalist. Martin and D.H were conventionalists. > > D.H was willing to allow language indicating that the debate > > is far from settled. Martin, however, considered that the > > anti-conventionalists, who include authorities such as Clifford Will, > > Mansouri & Sexl, and Ohanian, are just plain wrong. > Now that is strange indeed. Clifford Will ... and Ohanian > are -the- (world-renowned) experts and authorities > on the use and interpretation of general relativity. > In particular, > Clifford M. Will, Theory and experiment in gravitational physics, > 2nd Edition (2018) > is considered to be the standard reference on the subject. And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden by your bunch of idiots improper clocks keep measuring improper t'=t in improper seconds.
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-21 06:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <eea86db9-47ee-4cb1-8336-14d228ecdccan@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618440 |
On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:15:43 PM UTC-7, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:05:26 PM UTC-5, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:30:49 PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > Don't think I want to be just negative: Wikipedia is usally > > > incredibly good on math and phys subjects. > > > > > > Jan > > > (don't do wikip) > > Martin considered himself to be a strict "conventionalist" and completely > > denied any ability to measure the one way speed of light because of the > > clock synchronization issue. > The basic disagreement between Martin, D.H and myself revolved > around the conventionality thesis, which is summarized here: > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-convensimul/ > > I am an anti-conventionalist. Martin and D.H were conventionalists. > D.H was willing to allow language indicating that the debate > is far from settled. Martin, however, considered that the > anti-conventionalists, who include authorities such as Clifford Will, > Mansouri & Sexl, and Ohanian, are just plain wrong. > > The central section that Martin and I fought over was this one: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light#The_one-way_speed > In the current way that this section is worded, the conventionalists > just plain won the war, pure and simple. Zhang and Anderson are > right, while Will, Mansouri & Sexl, and Ohanian are wrong, et cetera. > > The entire article reflects this viewpoint. Mansouri and Sexl are clearly on the side that OWLS measurement is dependent on the clock synchro (which is dependent on OWLS measurement). You only need to read and understand their papers to know that. I am not familiar with Clifford and Ohanian's positions but I am very familiar with the Mansouri-Sexl papers and with Zhang book.
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| From | Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-21 07:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4a7a0679-59df-485b-8789-353f8b6f57e7n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618463 |
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:40:59 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote: > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:15:43 PM UTC-7, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 2:05:26 PM UTC-5, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 1:30:49 PM UTC-5, J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > > > Don't think I want to be just negative: Wikipedia is usally > > > > incredibly good on math and phys subjects. > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > (don't do wikip) > > > Martin considered himself to be a strict "conventionalist" and completely > > > denied any ability to measure the one way speed of light because of the > > > clock synchronization issue. > > The basic disagreement between Martin, D.H and myself revolved > > around the conventionality thesis, which is summarized here: > > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spacetime-convensimul/ > > > > I am an anti-conventionalist. Martin and D.H were conventionalists. > > D.H was willing to allow language indicating that the debate > > is far from settled. Martin, however, considered that the > > anti-conventionalists, who include authorities such as Clifford Will, > > Mansouri & Sexl, and Ohanian, are just plain wrong. > > > > The central section that Martin and I fought over was this one: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light#The_one-way_speed > > In the current way that this section is worded, the conventionalists > > just plain won the war, pure and simple. Zhang and Anderson are > > right, while Will, Mansouri & Sexl, and Ohanian are wrong, et cetera. > > > > The entire article reflects this viewpoint. > Mansouri and Sexl are clearly on the side that OWLS measurement is dependent on the clock synchro (which is dependent on OWLS measurement). You only need to read and understand their papers to know that. I am not familiar with Clifford and Ohanian's positions but I am very familiar with the Mansouri-Sexl papers and with Zhang book. Neither does that quite correspond to my reading of Mansouri and Sexl, but that is how Martin interpreted their writings. | Some authors such as Mansouri and Sexl (1977)[9][10] as well as Will | (1992)[11] argued that this problem doesn't affect measurements of the | isotropy of the one-way speed of light, for instance, due to direction- | dependent changes relative to a "preferred" (aether) frame Σ. They based | their analysis on a specific interpretation of the RMS test theory in relation | to experiments in which light follows a unidirectional path and to slow clock- | transport experiments. Will agreed that it is impossible to measure the | one-way speed between two clocks using a time-of-flight method without |synchronization scheme, though he argued: "...a test of the isotropy of the | speed between the same two clocks as the orientation of the propagation | path varies relative to Σ should not depend on how they were synchronized...". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light#The_one-way_speed
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-21 07:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2fabb5bb-7781-4f71-9203-64d81224ee9bn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618467 |
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-7, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > Will agreed that it is impossible to measure the > | one-way speed between two clocks using a time-of-flight method without > |synchronization scheme, though he argued: "...a test of the isotropy of the > | speed between the same two clocks as the orientation of the propagation > | path varies relative to Σ should not depend on how they were synchronized...". But it does! Looks like Will did not read any of the papers on tests of OWLS isotropy. All these tests, with no exception, assume one of the two clock synchronization conventions outlined in the Mansouri papers. The theory of these tests cannot be derived absent one of the two conventions. Which convention is chosen depends on which one makes the theory of the experiment simpler. The more modern tests assume the more complex synchronizations described by the Standard Model Extension. Either way, you cannot have a test of OWLS (an)isotropy without first assuming a clock synchro convention. So, the wiki page is correct.
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| From | Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-21 08:13 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c82a6612-021c-4d93-908f-969cea619d75n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618469 |
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:29:53 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote: > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-7, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > > Will agreed that it is impossible to measure the > > | one-way speed between two clocks using a time-of-flight method without > > |synchronization scheme, though he argued: "...a test of the isotropy of the > > | speed between the same two clocks as the orientation of the propagation > > | path varies relative to Σ should not depend on how they were synchronized...". > But it does! Looks like Will did not read any of the papers on tests of OWLS isotropy. All these tests, with no exception, assume one of the two clock synchronization conventions outlined in the Mansouri papers. The theory of these tests cannot be derived absent one of the two conventions. Which convention is chosen depends on which one makes the theory of the experiment simpler. The more modern tests assume the more complex synchronizations described by the Standard Model Extension. Either way, you cannot have a test of OWLS (an)isotropy without first assuming a clock synchro convention. So, the wiki page is correct. On the contrary, one can test OWLS isotropy with clocks that have not been synchronized at all. In addition, I presented Martin several examples of single-clock tests of OWLS isotropy, challenging him to find where the second clock was hidden which he claimed needed to be synchronized. He never located the second clock.
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-21 10:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5385ddb3-16b3-43fb-8da8-79e8fa96d3can@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618473 |
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:13:32 AM UTC-7, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:29:53 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote: > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-7, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > > > Will agreed that it is impossible to measure the > > > | one-way speed between two clocks using a time-of-flight method without > > > |synchronization scheme, though he argued: "...a test of the isotropy of the > > > | speed between the same two clocks as the orientation of the propagation > > > | path varies relative to Σ should not depend on how they were synchronized...". > > But it does! Looks like Will did not read any of the papers on tests of OWLS isotropy. All these tests, with no exception, assume one of the two clock synchronization conventions outlined in the Mansouri papers. The theory of these tests cannot be derived absent one of the two conventions. Which convention is chosen depends on which one makes the theory of the experiment simpler. The more modern tests assume the more complex synchronizations described by the Standard Model Extension. Either way, you cannot have a test of OWLS (an)isotropy without first assuming a clock synchro convention. So, the wiki page is correct. > On the contrary, one can test OWLS isotropy with clocks that have > not been synchronized at all. In addition, I presented Martin several > examples of single-clock tests of OWLS isotropy, challenging him > to find where the second clock was hidden which he claimed needed > to be synchronized. He never located the second clock. You completely missed the point: sure, there are a lot of tests of OWLS anisotropy that use ZERO clocks (actually most of them do). What the theory requires is not the presence of ANY clocks in the test but the presence of one of the two clock synchronization conventions. "Subtle is the Lord"
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-08-21 10:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <661ff601-3819-4108-a28a-487f6c5f310dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #618482 |
On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 10:49:24 AM UTC-7, Dono. wrote: > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 8:13:32 AM UTC-7, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 9:29:53 AM UTC-5, Dono. wrote: > > > On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-7, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > > > > Will agreed that it is impossible to measure the > > > > | one-way speed between two clocks using a time-of-flight method without > > > > |synchronization scheme, though he argued: "...a test of the isotropy of the > > > > | speed between the same two clocks as the orientation of the propagation > > > > | path varies relative to Σ should not depend on how they were synchronized...". > > > But it does! Looks like Will did not read any of the papers on tests of OWLS isotropy. All these tests, with no exception, assume one of the two clock synchronization conventions outlined in the Mansouri papers. The theory of these tests cannot be derived absent one of the two conventions. Which convention is chosen depends on which one makes the theory of the experiment simpler. The more modern tests assume the more complex synchronizations described by the Standard Model Extension. Either way, you cannot have a test of OWLS (an)isotropy without first assuming a clock synchro convention. So, the wiki page is correct. > > On the contrary, one can test OWLS isotropy with clocks that have > > not been synchronized at all. In addition, I presented Martin several > > examples of single-clock tests of OWLS isotropy, challenging him > > to find where the second clock was hidden which he claimed needed > > to be synchronized. He never located the second clock. > You completely missed the point: sure, there are a lot of tests of OWLS anisotropy that use ZERO clocks (actually most of them do). What the theory requires is not the presence of ANY clocks in the test but the presence of one of the two clock synchronization conventions. "Subtle is the Lord" The brilliance of Mansouri and Sexl (and later, the brilliance of the creators of SME) is that they created a parametrized theory of SR that can be used to test, amongst many other things, the OWLS anisotropy without employing any clocks at all. So, the fact that Martin could not answer your challenge only means that he was not familiar enough with RMS/SME theories and/or the experiments based on these theories. The page on "Test theories of SR" is in badly need of a rewrite, maybe you should study the papers and the experiments , learn the subtleties and rewrite the page. That would be very useful. BTW, I am not seeing any theory on the I-S experiment, I am still waiting....
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