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If a particle is in two places at the same time...

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First post2023-08-14 09:09 -0700
Last post2023-08-14 12:25 -0700
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  If a particle is in two places at the same time... "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 09:09 -0700
    Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-14 16:11 +0000
      Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 10:08 -0700
        Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 13:46 -0700
    Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-14 10:25 -0700
      Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 12:08 -0700
        Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-14 12:50 -0700
          Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 13:20 -0700
            Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-14 14:56 -0700
              Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 16:37 -0700
                Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 17:42 -0700
                  Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-15 11:08 -0700
        Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 13:45 -0700
          Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 14:05 -0700
            Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 21:08 -0700
      Re: If a particle is in two places at the same time... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 12:25 -0700

#617669 — If a particle is in two places at the same time...

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 09:09 -0700
SubjectIf a particle is in two places at the same time...
Message-ID<def78814-47ea-4621-ac18-2c2c8dd16f65n@googlegroups.com>
there then are two particles...

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#617670

FromRichard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr>
Date2023-08-14 16:11 +0000
Message-ID<t9kbS3wG9SerykBqytRGLpCaGEg@jntp>
In reply to#617669
Le 14/08/2023 à 18:09, "mitchr...@gmail.com" a écrit :
> there then are two particles...

Logical.

R.H. 

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#617687

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 10:08 -0700
Message-ID<7d9b6eee-6fc3-4405-a4ed-0b6de070d00an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617670
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 9:11:27 AM UTC-7, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 14/08/2023 à 18:09, "mitchr...@gmail.com" a écrit : 
> > there then are two particles...
> Logical. 
> 
> R.H.

What does logic have to do with it?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/giant-molecules-exist-in-two-places-at-once-in-unprecedented-quantum-experiment/#:~:text=So%20any%20chunk%20of%20matter,demonstrated%20it%20using%20small%20particles.

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#617710

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 13:46 -0700
Message-ID<309338c2-bd41-48fa-904c-c42448b68f04n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617687
On Monday, 14 August 2023 at 19:08:56 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 9:11:27 AM UTC-7, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> > Le 14/08/2023 à 18:09, "mitchr...@gmail.com" a écrit : 
> > > there then are two particles... 
> > Logical. 
> > 
> > R.H.
> What does logic have to do with it? 
> 
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/giant-molecules-exist-in-two-places-at-once-in-unprecedented-quantum-experiment/#:~:text=So%20any%20chunk%20of%20matter,demonstrated%20it%20using%20small%20particles.

What does logic have to do with some mumble of some
brainwashed halfbrains... Nothing, sure.

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#617690

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-08-14 10:25 -0700
Message-ID<64DA6380.7846@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#617669
mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> there then are two particles...

it is simply not possible for a particle to be in  two places at the
same time.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#617697

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 12:08 -0700
Message-ID<df973526-99c0-41b3-a015-f64fb1fc3b2bn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617690
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > 
> > there then are two particles...
> it is simply not possible for a particle to be in two places at the 
> same time. 

The evidence says otherwise, even if it seems illogical and impossible..

Can you supply evidence to the contrary?

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#617701

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-08-14 12:50 -0700
Message-ID<64DA8576.338F@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#617697
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > there then are two particles...
> > it is simply not possible for a particle to be in two places at the
> > same time.
> 
> The evidence says otherwise, even if it seems illogical and impossible..
> 
> Can you supply evidence to the contrary?

If it cannot be both measured at the sametime it means they are not at
the same place at the same time.



Can you supply evidence to the contrary?


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#617703

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 13:20 -0700
Message-ID<24f5625e-1a77-4475-acfe-0033fcc38f1cn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617701
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > 
> > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > there then are two particles... 

> > > it is simply not possible for a particle to be in two places at the 
> > > same time. 
> > 
> > The evidence says otherwise, even if it seems illogical and impossible.. 
> > 
> > Can you supply evidence to the contrary?

> If it cannot be both measured at the sametime it means they are not at 
> the same place at the same time.

That is not evidence. That is just you blathering.

> Can you supply evidence to the contrary?

This is mainstream modeling and the evidence is in research journals/papers and textbooks worldwide. You should read one of them, like I have.

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#617716

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-08-14 14:56 -0700
Message-ID<64DAA301.631A@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#617703
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > there then are two particles...
> 
> > > > it is simply not possible for a particle to be in two places at the
> > > > same time.
> > >
> > > The evidence says otherwise, even if it seems illogical and impossible..
> > >
> > > Can you supply evidence to the contrary?
> 
> > If it cannot be both measured at the sametime it means they are not at
> > the same place at the same time.
> 
> That is not evidence. That is just you blathering.
> 
> > Can you supply evidence to the contrary?
> 
> This is mainstream modeling and the evidence is in research journals/papers and textbooks worldwide. You should read one of them, like I have.

There is no evidence that you read one of them.



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#617724

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 16:37 -0700
Message-ID<c1665e80-497b-4360-babe-d4b13e25109an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617716
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:56:12 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > 
> > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > there then are two particles... 
> > 
> > > > > it is simply not possible for a particle to be in two places at the 
> > > > > same time. 
> > > > 
> > > > The evidence says otherwise, even if it seems illogical and impossible.. 
> > > > 
> > > > Can you supply evidence to the contrary? 
> > 
> > > If it cannot be both measured at the sametime it means they are not at 
> > > the same place at the same time. 
> > 
> > That is not evidence. That is just you blathering. 
> > 
> > > Can you supply evidence to the contrary? 
> > 
> > This is mainstream modeling and the evidence is in research journals/papers and textbooks worldwide. You should read one of them, like I have.

> There is no evidence that you read one of them.

Doesn't matter what you think. There is plenty of evidence that tens of thousands of them exist. 
There is no evidence whatsoever that you can provide in support of your claim.

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#617727

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 17:42 -0700
Message-ID<0f2d5b32-ec74-4c44-84e2-07d126bfbbe2n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617724
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:37:52 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:56:12 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > 
> > > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > there then are two particles... 
> > > 
> > > > > > it is simply not possible for a particle to be in two places at the 
> > > > > > same time. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The evidence says otherwise, even if it seems illogical and impossible.. 

What is the evidence? If particles are fundamental of themselves
they would look the same without having to be.
Could you not have two look a like electrons? 


> > > > > 
> > > > > Can you supply evidence to the contrary? 
> > > 
> > > > If it cannot be both measured at the sametime it means they are not at 
> > > > the same place at the same time. 
> > > 
> > > That is not evidence. That is just you blathering. 
> > > 
> > > > Can you supply evidence to the contrary? 
> > > 
> > > This is mainstream modeling and the evidence is in research journals/papers and textbooks worldwide. You should read one of them, like I have. 
> 
> > There is no evidence that you read one of them.
> Doesn't matter what you think. There is plenty of evidence that tens of thousands of them exist. 
> There is no evidence whatsoever that you can provide in support of your claim.

How does your science see a particle? What about it causes it to be observed paul?

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#617800

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-08-15 11:08 -0700
Message-ID<64DBBF24.683B@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#617727
mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 4:37:52 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 2:56:12 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 12:50:13 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > there then are two particles...
> > > >
> > > > > > > it is simply not possible for a particle to be in two places at the
> > > > > > > same time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The evidence says otherwise, even if it seems illogical and impossible..
> 
> What is the evidence? If particles are fundamental of themselves
> they would look the same without having to be.
> Could you not have two look a like electrons?
> 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you supply evidence to the contrary?
> > > >
> > > > > If it cannot be both measured at the sametime it means they are not at
> > > > > the same place at the same time.
> > > >
> > > > That is not evidence. That is just you blathering.
> > > >
> > > > > Can you supply evidence to the contrary?
> > > >
> > > > This is mainstream modeling and the evidence is in research journals/papers and textbooks worldwide. You should read one of them, like I have.
> >
> > > There is no evidence that you read one of them.
> > Doesn't matter what you think. There is plenty of evidence that tens of thousands of them exist.
> > There is no evidence whatsoever that you can provide in support of your claim.
> 
> How does your science see a particle? What about it causes it to be observed paul?

I tink wat Paul Alsing is tryin to tink of is
spliting a paticle into two and
throwing each one 
through his 
venetian blinds

LOOK! A WAVE OF THEM!!!!


Paul Alsing has been reading too many science fiction books since
childhood.


He is still waiting for the martians to attack us any day...


Is "Paul" short for ...Pauline??? 


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#617709

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 13:45 -0700
Message-ID<ac0652f0-1aa9-428f-afea-bd59a294e558n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617697
On Monday, 14 August 2023 at 21:08:20 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > 
> > > there then are two particles... 
> > it is simply not possible for a particle to be in two places at the 
> > same time.
> The evidence says otherwise, even if it seems illogical and impossible.. 

No, Al, sorry. Evidence is silent. And it was your bunch
of idiots asserting it's a particle.

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#617712

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 14:05 -0700
Message-ID<5f69649b-e5ec-43be-bc66-bf9fa31aca25n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617709
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:45:29 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Monday, 14 August 2023 at 21:08:20 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote: 

> > The evidence says otherwise, even if it seems illogical and impossible..

> No, Al, sorry. 

Yes, Woz, you certainly are one sorry guy...

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#617739

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 21:08 -0700
Message-ID<f0cb30a0-9e5f-4a71-a9e3-c93bad555194n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617712
On Monday, 14 August 2023 at 23:05:23 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 1:45:29 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote: 
> > On Monday, 14 August 2023 at 21:08:20 UTC+2, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> 
> > > The evidence says otherwise, even if it seems illogical and impossible.. 
> 
> > No, Al, sorry.
> Yes, Woz, you certainly are one sorry guy...

No, Al, sorry. You say that, your fellow idiots say that,
no logic in that, and you're   even stupid enough to 
admit.

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#617698

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-14 12:25 -0700
Message-ID<56572858-a324-48c5-9a44-6ade46cdebf6n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617690
On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > 
> > there then are two particles...
> 
> it is simply not possible for a particle to be in two places at the 
> same time. 

This assumes what it wants to prove (you assume the word
"particle" describes an entity that cannot be at two places
at the same time and conclude from it that it cannot be at
two places at the same time).

Particles in quantum theory are not like mini-billiard balls in other words.
Perhaps a different word than "particle" should be used to avoid
confusing people.

--
Jan

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