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  Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:31 -0700
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 15:37 -0700
      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 18:07 -0700
      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 19:08 -0700
        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 20:34 -0700
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 21:18 -0700
      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 01:04 -0700
        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-07 11:15 +0200
          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 08:24 -0700
            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 08:31 -0700
              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-07 10:21 -0700
            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 19:32 +0200
              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 12:39 -0500
              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 16:58 -0700
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 18:41 -0700
                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-08-08 07:30 -0700
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-08 12:26 -0700
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-08 21:49 -0700
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 08:47 +0200
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-16 07:47 +0200
              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 09:04 -0700
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-08 12:57 -0500
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 11:47 -0700
                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 15:52 -0700
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 21:37 -0700
            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-09 08:26 +0200
              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 12:43 +0200
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-09 11:54 -0400
                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 18:25 +0200
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 09:48 -0700
                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-09 11:14 -0700
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 21:47 +0200
                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 13:05 -0700
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 22:57 +0200
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 15:21 -0700
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 15:39 -0700
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-10 11:37 +0200
                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 07:35 -0700
                                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 07:37 -0700
                                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 08:31 -0700
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-09 16:16 -0700
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 19:17 +0200
                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-09 21:47 +0200
                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-10 07:31 +0200
                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-08-10 11:37 +0200
                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-11 08:20 +0200
                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-16 18:19 -0400
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-17 07:42 +0200
                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 00:53 -0700
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-23 02:04 -0700
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Booker Martos <etrs@eoaksmao.tb> - 2023-08-23 10:09 +0000
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-23 16:33 +0000
                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-24 02:06 +0200
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-24 00:23 +0000
                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-24 13:25 -0400
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 10:31 -0700
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 13:09 -0700
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-24 21:45 +0000
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 15:10 -0700
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 12:07 +0000
                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 14:09 -0700
                                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Lee Mihailovich <mmhc@eoeilhll.av> - 2023-08-26 21:20 +0000
                                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 20:48 -0700
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 12:12 +0000
                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-08-25 14:34 +0200
                                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 15:47 +0000
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-25 02:03 -0400
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@frite.fr> - 2023-08-25 12:21 +0000
                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-26 19:54 -0400
                                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Ryker Libman <kmki@kkrmkaik.km> - 2023-08-27 08:25 +0000
                                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 10:47 -0500
                                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Marcus Rempel <raer@rlsrmcaa.rr> - 2023-08-27 19:40 +0000
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-26 09:13 +0200
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-26 10:44 -0400
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 08:09 -0700
                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 14:12 -0700
                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-31 08:35 +0200
                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 09:19 +0200
                                    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-31 00:31 -0700
                                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-08 09:28 +0200
                                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 00:43 -0700
                                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-09-08 23:18 -0500
                                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 22:16 -0700
                                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-09 07:59 +0200
                                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 23:47 -0700
                                              Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-10 07:24 +0200
                                                Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-09-09 22:45 -0700
                                                  Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-09-10 08:01 +0200
                          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 11:07 -0700
                            Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-24 13:13 -0700
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-26 11:25 +0200
                        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-30 07:52 +0200
                      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-28 12:22 -0700
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-06 21:32 -0700
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 12:28 -0700
      Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-08-16 07:50 +0200
        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Lukas Vainberger <asag@rkarueik.ub> - 2023-08-16 11:42 +0000
    Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 09:18 -0700
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        Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. Chadrick Mahno <mdah@cacamcmm.ro> - 2023-08-09 21:59 +0000
          Re: Eddington, Einstein and Lorentz shared the vice of plagiarism. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-08-10 13:18 -0700
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#617117

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:32:10 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-08-07 15:24:14 +0000, Richard Hertz said: 
> > 
> > Albert Einstein Citizenships 
> > 
> > Kingdom of Württemberg German Empire (1879–1896) ***** 
> > Stateless (1896–1901) 
> > Switzerland (1901–1955) 
> > Austria during the Austro-Hungarian Empire (1911–1912) Kingdom 
> > of Prussia during the German Empire (1914–1918) ***** 
> > Free State of Prussia (Germany, 1918–1933) ***** 
> > United States (1940–1955)
> And your point is? 
> 
> "Richard Hertz" does not strike me as an obviously Argentinian name. I 
> would guess that either you or a recent ancestor changed citizenship at 
> some point. So what? 
> 
> 
> -- 
> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots


Dick is a jew, of the scummiest type, the kapo type.

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#617129

On 8/8/2023 11:04 AM, Dono. wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:32:10 AM UTC-7, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2023-08-07 15:24:14 +0000, Richard Hertz said:
>>>
>>> Albert Einstein Citizenships
>>>
>>> Kingdom of Württemberg German Empire (1879–1896) *****
>>> Stateless (1896–1901)
>>> Switzerland (1901–1955)
>>> Austria during the Austro-Hungarian Empire (1911–1912) Kingdom
>>> of Prussia during the German Empire (1914–1918) *****
>>> Free State of Prussia (Germany, 1918–1933) *****
>>> United States (1940–1955)
>> And your point is?
>>
>> "Richard Hertz" does not strike me as an obviously Argentinian name. I
>> would guess that either you or a recent ancestor changed citizenship at
>> some point. So what?
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots
> 
> 
> Dick is a jew, of the scummiest type, the kapo type.

Godwin Alert!!!!!!!!

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#617139

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 1:04:42 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:

<snip>

> Dick is a jew, of the scummiest type, the kapo type.

Not true, fucking imbecile & self-hating jew. Keep trying.

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#617149

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:47:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 1:04:42 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote: 
> 
> <snip>
> > Dick is a jew, of the scummiest type, the kapo type.
>true, i am a fucking imbecile & self-hating jew. 

Yeah, we know....

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#617153

On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 00:52:28 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 11:47:21 AM UTC-7, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 1:04:42 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote: 
> > 
> > <snip> 
> > > Dick is a jew, of the scummiest type, the kapo type.
> >true, i am a fucking imbecile & self-hating jew. 

No, he didn't write it. Poor idiot Dono is lying impudently,
as expected from relativistic scum.

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#617160

Am 07.08.2023 um 17:24 schrieb Richard Hertz:

> https://best-citizenships.com/2020/08/08/how-many-citizenships-albert-einstein-had/
>
> Albert Einstein Citizenships
>
>      Kingdom of Württemberg  German Empire (1879–1896) *****

As far as I know the Einsteins moved to Munich, which is the capital of 
the Kingdom of Bavaria.

As young Albert was a baby at that time of movement to Bavaria, he would 
have needed Bavarian citizenship in Munich, at least to attend school there.

>      Stateless (1896–1901)

As far as I know you could not become intentionally stateless in Germany.

German citizenship could not be laid off by Einstein, because actually 
he had Würtemberg citizenship (or possibly Bavarian).

But you could not renounce it on your own. Citizenship in those kingdoms 
wasn't something you wanted to have, but was a qualifier of the person, 
because the person was supposed to be owned by the king in those times.

And you cannot declare yourself to be not owned by the monarch. 
Eventually the king would let you go, anyhow, but only if some other 
country would accept you.


>      Switzerland (1901–1955)

The Swiss were and are VERY restrictive with the grant of citicenship. 
Usually you need to apply for Swiss citizenship a thousand times, pass 
several tests, wear leather trousers and blow an Alphorn, before you 
could even dream to become a Swiss.

>      Austria during the Austro-Hungarian Empire (1911–1912)

Like the Germans the Austrians didn't like dual citizenships (much less 
triple).

So. how and why did he become an Austrian???

>      Kingdom of Prussia during the German Empire (1914–1918)   *****

This was a time known as 'World War I', when the Germans had other 
worries than theoretical physics and granting citizenship to 
Würtembergo-Swiss-Hungaro-Austrian Bavarians.


>      Free State of Prussia (Germany, 1918–1933)  *****

Prussia was actually not free in those days, as the German Empire had 
just recently lost WWI and was now occupied and the Kingdom of Prussia 
was wiped from the map.

>      United States (1940–1955)

  Later Swiss again and also Israel.

Isreal wanted Einstein to become president, but he rejected that offer.

TH

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#617166

Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

> Am 07.08.2023 um 17:24 schrieb Richard Hertz:
> 
> > https://best-citizenships.com/2020/08/08/how-many-citizenships-albert-einste
in-had/
> >
> > Albert Einstein Citizenships
> >
> >      Kingdom of Württemberg  German Empire (1879–1896) *****
> 
> As far as I know the Einsteins moved to Munich, which is the capital of
> the Kingdom of Bavaria.
> 
> As young Albert was a baby at that time of movement to Bavaria, he would
> have needed Bavarian citizenship in Munich, at least to attend school there.

Not really. Moving house within the German empire
(which was really a federation of kingdoms)
didn't involve changing citizenships all the time.
If Einstein had been called up for military service
it would have been by the king Wurtemberg.
In WWI German soldiers usually served by state.
(just like the British by county)
There would be Prussian regiments, Bavarian ones, etc.

> >      Stateless (1896–1901)
> 
> As far as I know you could not become intentionally stateless in Germany.

Your knowledge doesn't go far enough.

> German citizenship could not be laid off by Einstein, because actually
> he had Würtemberg citizenship (or possibly Bavarian).

Yes, there was no such thing as generalised german citizenship.
Even Prussians were subjects of the king of Prussia,
not of the emperor of Germany.

> But you could not renounce it on your own. Citizenship in those kingdoms
> wasn't something you wanted to have, but was a qualifier of the person,
> because the person was supposed to be owned by the king in those times.
> 
> And you cannot declare yourself to be not owned by the monarch. 
> Eventually the king would let you go, anyhow, but only if some other 
> country would accept you.

Einstein is a counterexample to your assertions.

> >      Switzerland (1901–1955)
> 
> The Swiss were and are VERY restrictive with the grant of citicenship.
> Usually you need to apply for Swiss citizenship a thousand times, pass
> several tests, wear leather trousers and blow an Alphorn, before you 
> could even dream to become a Swiss.
 
Even nowadays a silly caricature, 
but they were not like that a hundred years ago.

> >      Austria during the Austro-Hungarian Empire (1911–1912)
> 
> Like the Germans the Austrians didn't like dual citizenships (much less
> triple).
> 
> So. how and why did he become an Austrian???
> 
> >      Kingdom of Prussia during the German Empire (1914–1918)   *****
> 
> This was a time known as 'World War I', when the Germans had other 
> worries than theoretical physics and granting citizenship to 
> Würtembergo-Swiss-Hungaro-Austrian Bavarians.
> 
> 
> >      Free State of Prussia (Germany, 1918–1933)  *****
> 
> Prussia was actually not free in those days, as the German Empire had
> just recently lost WWI and was now occupied and the Kingdom of Prussia
> was wiped from the map.

All German kingdoms ceased to exist in 1918,
along with all German nobility.
Titles remained, but they became an optional part of the family name.

> >      United States (1940–1955)
> 
>   Later Swiss again and also Israel.

Einstein never ceased to be a Swiss citizen.
The USA doesn't require you to give up other citizenships you may have
when acquiring an American one. It is voluntary.
What the USA will do is protect you, now a free American citizen,
from all claims upon you that foreign potentates might think they have.

And are you sure about that Isaelian citizenship?
AFAIK he never had it.

Jan


> Isreal wanted Einstein to become president, but he rejected that offer.
> 
> TH

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#617182

On 8/9/2023 6:43 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:

>>   Later Swiss again and also Israel.

> And are you sure about that Isaelian citizenship?
> AFAIK he never had it.

Israel has the "right of return" where any Jew can show up and request 
citizenship and it's essentially automatically granted.

AFAIK Einstein never requested this, but Israeli citizenship would have 
been trivial for him to obtain.  But without evidence he did this, 
Israeli citizenship would be false.

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#617185

Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 8/9/2023 6:43 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
> >>   Later Swiss again and also Israel.
> 
> > And are you sure about that Isaelian citizenship?
> > AFAIK he never had it.
> 
> Israel has the "right of return" where any Jew can show up and request
> citizenship and it's essentially automatically granted.
> 
> AFAIK Einstein never requested this, but Israeli citizenship would have
> been trivial for him to obtain.  But without evidence he did this, 
> Israeli citizenship would be false.

Right, he never did.
If, yes and that is -if-, he had accepted to become president of Israel
he would have become citizen of Israel automatically,
but (as we both said) he didn't,  [1]

Jan

[1] Eistein did what he could to help to get a university in Jerusalem
established, but there his direct involvement ended. (1923)
Einstein cited his own shortcomings as the apparent reason
for not wanting to become president of Israel,
but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do
with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting
an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory.

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#617190

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do 
> with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting 
> an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory.

Did he ever say that or you made it all up? 

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#617209

Dono. wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
> > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do
> > with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting
> > an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory.
> 
> Did he ever say that or you made it all up?


https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Einistein-attachment.jpg


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#617214

The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Dono. wrote:
> > 
> > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31╯AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > 
> > > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do
> > > with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting
> > > an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory.
> > 
> > Did he ever say that or you made it all up?
> 
> 
> https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Einistein-attachment.jpg

Thanks for saving me the trouble to dig that one up again.
Einstein was in a very difficult position, after 1948.
Given his immense public weight he didn't want to say anything
detrimental to the nascent state of Israel,
but he didn't want to support terrorism either.
He had seen more than enough of it in earlier phases of his life.

He probably hoped that Ben Gurion would be able to set things staight,

Jan

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#617215

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:47:42 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: 
> 
> > Dono. wrote: 
> > > 
> > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31╯AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do 
> > > > with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting 
> > > > an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory. 
> > > 
> > > Did he ever say that or you made it all up? 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Einistein-attachment.jpg
> Thanks for saving me the trouble to dig that one up again. 
> Einstein was in a very difficult position, after 1948. 
> Given his immense public weight he didn't want to say anything 
> detrimental to the nascent state of Israel, 
> but he didn't want to support terrorism either. 
> He had seen more than enough of it in earlier phases of his life. 
> 
> He probably hoped that Ben Gurion would be able to set things staight, 
> 
> Jan
I asked you to support your claim about Einstein referring to "ethnic cleansing" . The crank you are thanking to could not dig out anything. Looks like some of you still suffer the british butthurt of being kicked out of the former colonies. To the extent of sucking up to the real terrorists, the palis.

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#617219

Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:47:42?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > > Dono. wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31╯AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do 
> > > > > with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting 
> > > > > an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory.
> > > > 
> > > > Did he ever say that or you made it all up? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Einistein-attachment.jpg
> > Thanks for saving me the trouble to dig that one up again. 
> > Einstein was in a very difficult position, after 1948. 
> > Given his immense public weight he didn't want to say anything 
> > detrimental to the nascent state of Israel, 
> > but he didn't want to support terrorism either. 
> > He had seen more than enough of it in earlier phases of his life. 
> > 
> > He probably hoped that Ben Gurion would be able to set things staight,
> > 
> > Jan
> I asked you to support your claim about Einstein referring to "ethnic
> cleansing" . The crank you are thanking to could not dig out anything.
> Looks like some of you still suffer the british butthurt of being kicked
> out of the former colonies. To the extent of sucking up to the real
> terrorists, the palis.

You are quote mining. Einstein explicitly mentions
"the Terrorist organizations build up from our side"
and calls them "misled and criminal people"
'ethic cleansing' was my rendition of it, not Einstein's.
It couldn't have been his, because the term hadn't been invented yet.

Einstein wanted to have nothing to do with them
and he didn't want to support them in any way.

FYI, Lohamei Herut Yisrael, (Fighters for the Freedom of Israel)
aka LOHI, aka the Stern gang
was an extremist Zionist organisation that engaged in terrorism.
The "American Friends of the Fighters for the Freedom of Isreal"
was their American support branch.
In this letter Einstein makes it abundantly clear
that he wants to have nothing to do with them.
Neither did the moderate leaders in Israel.
The organisation was disbanded after 1948.

The date, April 1o, is highly significant.
It is the day after the Deir Yassin massacre.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre>
(LOHI and Irgun massacred the inhabitants of Deir Yassin,
 a village near Jerusalem)
Einstein, and many other supporters of Israel protested strongly.

But, apart from Einstein's involvement, this is not the right place
for discussions about Israel,

Jan



 

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#617223

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 1:57:36 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:47:42?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > Dono. wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31╯AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do 
> > > > > > with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting 
> > > > > > an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Did he ever say that or you made it all up? 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Einistein-attachment.jpg 
> > > Thanks for saving me the trouble to dig that one up again. 
> > > Einstein was in a very difficult position, after 1948. 
> > > Given his immense public weight he didn't want to say anything 
> > > detrimental to the nascent state of Israel, 
> > > but he didn't want to support terrorism either. 
> > > He had seen more than enough of it in earlier phases of his life. 
> > > 
> > > He probably hoped that Ben Gurion would be able to set things staight, 
> > > 
> > > Jan 
> > I asked you to support your claim about Einstein referring to "ethnic 
> > cleansing" . The crank you are thanking to could not dig out anything. 
> > Looks like some of you still suffer the british butthurt of being kicked 
> > out of the former colonies. To the extent of sucking up to the real 
> > terrorists, the palis.
> You are quote mining. 


I am not mining any quotes, you obviously do not understand the meaning of the expression.



> 'ethic cleansing' was my rendition of it, not Einstein's. 


Ahh, it was your exaggeration. You should gave made clear that it is your way of sucking up to the palis.




> But, apart from Einstein's involvement, this is not the right place 
> for discussions about Israel, 
> 
I agree, it was no point in your bringing it up. 

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#617225

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:22:02 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 1:57:36 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:47:42?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > > Dono. wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31╯AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do 
> > > > > > > with the Jewish terrorists who were conducting 
> > > > > > > an ethnical cleansing campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Did he ever say that or you made it all up? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Einistein-attachment.jpg 
> > > > Thanks for saving me the trouble to dig that one up again. 
> > > > Einstein was in a very difficult position, after 1948. 
> > > > Given his immense public weight he didn't want to say anything 
> > > > detrimental to the nascent state of Israel, 
> > > > but he didn't want to support terrorism either. 
> > > > He had seen more than enough of it in earlier phases of his life. 
> > > > 
> > > > He probably hoped that Ben Gurion would be able to set things staight, 
> > > > 
> > > > Jan 
> > > I asked you to support your claim about Einstein referring to "ethnic 
> > > cleansing" . The crank you are thanking to could not dig out anything. 
> > > Looks like some of you still suffer the british butthurt of being kicked 
> > > out of the former colonies. To the extent of sucking up to the real 
> > > terrorists, the palis. 
> > You are quote mining.
> I am not mining any quotes, you obviously do not understand the meaning of the expression.
> > 'ethic cleansing' was my rendition of it, not Einstein's.
> Ahh, it was your exaggeration. You should gave made clear that it is your way of sucking up to the palis.
> > But, apart from Einstein's involvement, this is not the right place 
> > for discussions about Israel, 
> >
> I agree, it was no point in your bringing it up.

Einstein thought that chinese, palestinians, brazilians, south-east asian and many others were just sub-human.

This is the 2023 Israel's doctrine to deal with palestinians (and many others, like turks and iranians). Nothing changed.

Yet, he sucked Japanese's asses all the way in the 1920's. He liked to be worshiped by racist races, and he supported
One World Government publicly since 1912 (englismen, north-americans, japanese), but denied germans any position
on the old WEF (Schwabb)

He wanted germans to be annihilated since WWI. He was a con man, a fucking scumbag, highly protected by central powers
since the beginning.   The NETWORK did the job to create this POS. He only had to obey and collect $$$.

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#617252

Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 1:57:36?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:47:42?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > > Dono. wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31╯AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do with the
> > > > > > > Jewish terrorists who were conducting an ethnical cleansing
> > > > > > > campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Did he ever say that or you made it all up? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Einistein-attachment.jpg
> > > > Thanks for saving me the trouble to dig that one up again. 
> > > > Einstein was in a very difficult position, after 1948. 
> > > > Given his immense public weight he didn't want to say anything 
> > > > detrimental to the nascent state of Israel, 
> > > > but he didn't want to support terrorism either. 
> > > > He had seen more than enough of it in earlier phases of his life.
> > > > 
> > > > He probably hoped that Ben Gurion would be able to set things staight,
> > > > 
> > > > Jan 
> > > I asked you to support your claim about Einstein referring to "ethnic
> > > cleansing" . The crank you are thanking to could not dig out anything.
> > > Looks like some of you still suffer the british butthurt of being kicked
> > > out of the former colonies. To the extent of sucking up to the real
> > > terrorists, the palis.
> > You are quote mining. 
> 
> 
> I am not mining any quotes, you obviously do not understand the meaning of
> the expression.

You mined 'Einstein referring to ethnic cleansing'
by means of falsely quoting from my text.
(while also snipping everything of relevance to understanding 
 of what it was about)

> > 'ethic cleansing' was my rendition of it, not Einstein's. 
> 
> Ahh, it was your exaggeration. You should gave made clear that it is your
> way of sucking up to the palis.

No exageration at all, just using the modern terminology
for what it was. Btw, it was not just Einstein who was aghast.
Again, see the Wikiparticle on it, for a list of names of people
who protested just like Einstein did.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre>

Einstein and many other 'names' also signed a letter
in the New York times protesting the rise
of Begin's new fascism in Israel.
(urging the US not to support it)

> > But, apart from Einstein's involvement, this is not the right place
> > for discussions about Israel, 
> > 
> I agree, it was no point in your bringing it up. 

It was quite to the point.
The discussion was on Einstein having an Israelian citizenship, yes/no,
(the answer is no)
and on the why's of Einstein not wanting to become
the first president of Isreal.
(after having been invited to take the post by Ben Gurion)

I didn't introduce these matters,
but once there we shouldn't let stayed innocent kiddies
get incorrect ideas about it all,

Jan

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#617268

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:37:07 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 1:57:36?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:47:42?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > > > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Dono. wrote: 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31╯AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do with the 
> > > > > > > > Jewish terrorists who were conducting an ethnical cleansing 
> > > > > > > > campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Did he ever say that or you made it all up? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Einistein-attachment.jpg 
> > > > > Thanks for saving me the trouble to dig that one up again. 
> > > > > Einstein was in a very difficult position, after 1948. 
> > > > > Given his immense public weight he didn't want to say anything 
> > > > > detrimental to the nascent state of Israel, 
> > > > > but he didn't want to support terrorism either. 
> > > > > He had seen more than enough of it in earlier phases of his life. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > He probably hoped that Ben Gurion would be able to set things staight, 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Jan 
> > > > I asked you to support your claim about Einstein referring to "ethnic 
> > > > cleansing" . The crank you are thanking to could not dig out anything. 
> > > > Looks like some of you still suffer the british butthurt of being kicked 
> > > > out of the former colonies. To the extent of sucking up to the real 
> > > > terrorists, the palis. 
> > > You are quote mining. 
> > 
> > 
> > I am not mining any quotes, you obviously do not understand the meaning of 
> > the expression.
> You mined 'Einstein referring to ethnic cleansing' 
> by means of falsely quoting from my text. 

I quote your imbecilities ad literam. As in the other thread. <shrug>

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#617270

On Thursday, 10 August 2023 at 16:35:59 UTC+2, Dono. wrote:
> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 2:37:07 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 1:57:36?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > > Dono. <eggy20...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:47:42?PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > > > > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dono. wrote: 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:25:31╯AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder: 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > but the real reason was that he wanted nothing to do with the 
> > > > > > > > > Jewish terrorists who were conducting an ethnical cleansing 
> > > > > > > > > campaign to obtain Arab-free 'Jewish' territory. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Did he ever say that or you made it all up? 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > https://www.palestineremembered.com/images/Einistein-attachment.jpg 
> > > > > > Thanks for saving me the trouble to dig that one up again. 
> > > > > > Einstein was in a very difficult position, after 1948. 
> > > > > > Given his immense public weight he didn't want to say anything 
> > > > > > detrimental to the nascent state of Israel, 
> > > > > > but he didn't want to support terrorism either. 
> > > > > > He had seen more than enough of it in earlier phases of his life. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > He probably hoped that Ben Gurion would be able to set things staight, 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Jan 
> > > > > I asked you to support your claim about Einstein referring to "ethnic 
> > > > > cleansing" . The crank you are thanking to could not dig out anything. 
> > > > > Looks like some of you still suffer the british butthurt of being kicked 
> > > > > out of the former colonies. To the extent of sucking up to the real 
> > > > > terrorists, the palis. 
> > > > You are quote mining. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am not mining any quotes, you obviously do not understand the meaning of 
> > > the expression. 
> > You mined 'Einstein referring to ethnic cleansing' 
> > by means of falsely quoting from my text.
> I quote your imbecilities ad literam. As in the other thread. <shrug>

Kookfight!

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#617281

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 7:37:18 AM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:

> Kookfight!
Who are you fighting with, janitor?

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