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Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity

Started byPentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com>
First post2023-08-07 01:50 -0700
Last post2023-08-09 19:01 -0500
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  Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-07 01:50 -0700
    Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 10:26 -0700
      Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 13:26 -0700
        Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 14:03 -0700
      Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 17:04 -0400
        Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 14:06 -0700
          Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-07 23:32 -0400
            Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 21:15 -0700
            Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Hever Zhelobinsky <zzzz@ohhsoyby.ne> - 2023-08-08 10:15 +0000
            Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 07:27 -0700
              Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-08 09:54 -0500
              Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-08 11:08 -0400
                Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 11:06 -0700
                  Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-09 19:05 -0500
                    Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 19:11 -0700
                      Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-09 22:02 -0500
                      Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 21:03 -0700
                  Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-10 07:49 -0400
        Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 16:28 -0700
          Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 22:26 -0500
          Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-08 00:13 -0400
        Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 16:30 -0700
          Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 22:28 -0500
          Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-08 11:11 -0400
            Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 09:05 -0700
        Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 16:34 -0700
          Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 22:29 -0500
          Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-08 00:17 -0400
            Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-07 21:36 -0700
              Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 08:20 -0700
                Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-08 10:30 -0700
                Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-08 12:48 -0500
            Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 08:10 +0200
    Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-08-07 10:35 -0700
      Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-07 12:40 -0500
    Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-08 00:11 -0700
      Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-10 10:40 -0700
        Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-08-10 10:52 -0700
    Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 11:25 -0700
    Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com> - 2023-08-09 11:06 -0700
      Re: Variable Speed of Light and Protective Stupidity whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-08-09 19:01 -0500

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#617074

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-08 00:13 -0400
Message-ID<uasfe8$37rgj$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#617055
On 8/7/2023 7:28 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other.
>> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as
>> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics.

> If anyone changes the distance or time in the speed formula for anything while keeping the speed unchanged, the math is incorrect. That is what happens when it is claimed the speed of light is always "measured" as c irrespective of relative motion.

Sorry, that is gibberish. Say that again, but in English, this time?

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#617056

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com>
Date2023-08-07 16:30 -0700
Message-ID<7187e5cc-6ad3-40c6-b703-a74eb0af32b2n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617041
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> 
> > Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other.
> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as 
> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics.
If a business kept its books like that it would be guilty of fraud.

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#617067

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-07 22:28 -0500
Message-ID<kjdr2lFc55nU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#617056
On 8/7/2023 6:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other.

>> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as
>> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics.

> If a business kept its books like that it would be guilty of fraud.

Once again you're not addressing the well stated issue.

Is this alcohol talking or something stronger?

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#617113

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-08 11:11 -0400
Message-ID<uatlv3$3eccp$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#617056
On 8/7/2023 7:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other.
>> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as
>> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics.

> If a business kept its books like that it would be guilty of fraud.

And just how is correctly measuring the speed of light and correctly 
recording the measured value fraudulent?

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#617118

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-08 09:05 -0700
Message-ID<68b2a7bc-b091-46c6-a2dc-7e1a5641fcd2n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617113
On Tuesday, 8 August 2023 at 17:11:34 UTC+2, Volney wrote:
> On 8/7/2023 7:30 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: 
> >> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other. 
> >> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as 
> >> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics. 
> 
> > If a business kept its books like that it would be guilty of fraud.
> And just how is correctly measuring the speed of light and correctly 
> recording the measured value fraudulent?

It;s nothing but assertions of your idiot gurus that
the measurements are correct, stupid Mike. Sorry.

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#617057

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com>
Date2023-08-07 16:34 -0700
Message-ID<88d6a221-74c9-4b8f-94fb-09858630c0d6n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617041
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> 
> > Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other.
> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as 
> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics.
Please see: "The Special Theory of Relativity: Mathematical Refutations" by Radwan M. Kassir

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#617068

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-07 22:29 -0500
Message-ID<kjdr53Fc55nU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#617057
On 8/7/2023 6:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other.

>> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as
>> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics.

> Please see: "The Special Theory of Relativity: Mathematical Refutations" by Radwan M. Kassir

Yes, sore, because the idols you worship are better than anything.

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#617077

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-08-08 00:17 -0400
Message-ID<uasfkd$37rgj$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#617057
On 8/7/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other.
>> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as
>> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics.

> Please see: "The Special Theory of Relativity: Mathematical Refutations" by Radwan M. Kassir

Before what I do, what credentials does Radwan have? A doctorate as a 
child therapist or something?

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#617079

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-07 21:36 -0700
Message-ID<b5426a5f-57df-4d48-9c38-6b087aa9c355n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617077
On Tuesday, 8 August 2023 at 06:17:20 UTC+2, Volney wrote:
> On 8/7/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: 
> >> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other. 
> >> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as 
> >> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics. 
> 
> > Please see: "The Special Theory of Relativity: Mathematical Refutations" by Radwan M. Kassir
> Before what I do, what credentials does Radwan have? A doctorate as a 
> child therapist or something?

And what credentials do you have when claiming that 
your ISO idiocy is some "Newton mode", stupid Mike?

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#617115

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-08 08:20 -0700
Message-ID<540eef64-9a9d-4e30-800d-c01cde73dbean@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#617079
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:36:27 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Tuesday, 8 August 2023 at 06:17:20 UTC+2, Volney wrote: 
> > On 8/7/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote: 
> > >> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote: 
> > >> 
> > >>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other. 
> > >> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as 
> > >> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics. 
> > 
> > > Please see: "The Special Theory of Relativity: Mathematical Refutations" by Radwan M. Kassir 
> > Before what I do, what credentials does Radwan have? A doctorate as a 
> > child therapist or something?
> And what credentials do you have when claiming that 
> your ISO idiocy is some "Newton mode", stupid Mike?
I wonder how they couldn't understand the video?

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#617123

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-08-08 10:30 -0700
Message-ID<64D27BBD.24E3@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#617115
Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> 
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:36:27 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 8 August 2023 at 06:17:20 UTC+2, Volney wrote:
> > > On 8/7/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
> > > >> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other.
> > > >> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as
> > > >> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics.
> > >
> > > > Please see: "The Special Theory of Relativity: Mathematical Refutations" by Radwan M. Kassir
> > > Before what I do, what credentials does Radwan have? A doctorate as a
> > > child therapist or something?
> > And what credentials do you have when claiming that
> > your ISO idiocy is some "Newton mode", stupid Mike?
> I wonder how they couldn't understand the video?

pictures move too fast..




-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#617125

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-08 12:48 -0500
Message-ID<kjfdf6Fk4otU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#617115
On 8/8/2023 10:20 AM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:36:27 PM UTC-7, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 8 August 2023 at 06:17:20 UTC+2, Volney wrote:
>>> On 8/7/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>>>> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of the two stars approaching each other.
>>>>> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as
>>>>> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics.
>>>
>>>> Please see: "The Special Theory of Relativity: Mathematical Refutations" by Radwan M. Kassir
>>> Before what I do, what credentials does Radwan have? A doctorate as a
>>> child therapist or something?
>> And what credentials do you have when claiming that
>> your ISO idiocy is some "Newton mode", stupid Mike?
> I wonder how they couldn't understand the video?

As I said before, you don't actually understand it, any of
physics actually.

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#617081

FromAthel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-08 08:10 +0200
Message-ID<kje4i6FdkhtU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#617077
On 2023-08-08 04:17:16 +0000, Volney said:

> On 8/7/2023 7:34 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
>>> On 8/7/2023 1:26 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, the speed of the starlight from Sirius is 300,005.5 km/sec, and 
>>>> this is recognized by modern astronomy as giving the radial velocity of 
>>>> the two stars approaching each other.
>>> You lie. Why do you lie? The speed of light from Sirius is MEASURED as
>>> c, as well as predicted as c by modern physics.
> 
>> Please see: "The Special Theory of Relativity: Mathematical 
>> Refutations" by Radwan M. Kassir
> 
> Before what I do, what credentials does Radwan have? A doctorate as a 
> child therapist or something?

Not even a "review" at Amazon for this one. Not even one by Laurence 
Clark Crossen saying that it must be good because it agrees with his 
crackpottery.


-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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#617020

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com>
Date2023-08-07 10:35 -0700
Message-ID<a3ff8e0c-768d-4d7f-bd07-c06c898cedefn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#616973
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:51:01 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> (frequency at observer) = (speed of light relative to observer)/(distance between light pulses) https://youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE 
> 
> (frequency at observer) varies with speed of observer - Doppler effect. 
> 
> (speed of light relative to observer) varies proportionally (end of Einstein). 
> 
> Protective stupidity: 
> 
> George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity." 
> 
> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
Anyone wanting this refutation of relativity fully elucidated by a highly accomplished and credentialed scholar and mathematician should read "Light Velocity and Relativity by Arthur Otis c. 1963.

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#617022

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-08-07 12:40 -0500
Message-ID<kjcokkF6lukU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#617020
On 8/7/2023 12:35 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:51:01 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
>> (frequency at observer) = (speed of light relative to observer)/(distance between light pulses) https://youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE
>>
>> (frequency at observer) varies with speed of observer - Doppler effect.
>>
>> (speed of light relative to observer) varies proportionally (end of Einstein).
>>
>> Protective stupidity:
>>
>> George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity."
>>
>> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
> Anyone wanting this refutation of relativity fully elucidated by a highly accomplished and credentialed scholar and mathematician should read "Light Velocity and Relativity by Arthur Otis c. 1963.

Yes, after all, there isn't anything better than your idols.

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#617087

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-08-08 00:11 -0700
Message-ID<64D1EA84.108E@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#616973
Pentcho Valev wrote:
> 
> (frequency at observer) = (speed of light relative to observer)/(distance between light pulses) https://youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE
> 
> (frequency at observer) varies with speed of observer - Doppler effect.
> 
> (speed of light relative to observer) varies proportionally (end of Einstein).
> 
> Protective stupidity:
> 
> George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity."
> 
> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev



I see people writing Variable Speed of Light everywhere, but i don't see anyone writing here the short version of it...(VSL). 


Learn grasshopper.


The VSL varied since the big bang and even before dat. all numbers that are set today were varied in the past.

Even colors varied.

At the beginning of the big bang the first color was Red. Then Green...then blue. Before the big bang it was Greem.

Blue was the first color before the big bang. After the big bang things got red hot.



The VSL changes from the beginning of the big bang till it slowed down to a steady number...and
increases in other parts of the universe.


It's VSL.


Now, Question...What is the speed of light? is it 300,000 km per second, or is it 186,000 miles per second???? It varies, doesn't it?


 


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#617292

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-08-10 10:40 -0700
Message-ID<64D52105.2184@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#617087
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Pentcho Valev wrote:
> >
> > (frequency at observer) = (speed of light relative to observer)/(distance between light pulses) https://youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE
> >
> > (frequency at observer) varies with speed of observer - Doppler effect.
> >
> > (speed of light relative to observer) varies proportionally (end of Einstein).
> >
> > Protective stupidity:
> >
> > George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity."
> >
> > Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
> 
> I see people writing Variable Speed of Light everywhere, but i don't see anyone writing here the short version of it...(VSL).
> 
> Learn grasshopper.
> 
> The VSL varied since the big bang and even before dat. all numbers that are set today were varied in the past.
> 
> Even colors varied.
> 
> At the beginning of the big bang the first color was Red. Then Green...then blue. Before the big bang it was Greem.
> 
> Blue was the first color before the big bang. After the big bang things got red hot.
> 
> The VSL changes from the beginning of the big bang till it slowed down to a steady number...and
> increases in other parts of the universe.
> 
> It's VSL.
> 
> Now, Question...What is the speed of light? is it 300,000 km per second, or is it 186,000 miles per second???? It varies, doesn't it?
> 
> 


In other words, if you're using today's speed of light to measure the age of the universe...

when in fact the speed of light was  billions (if not trillions) times faster at the bebinning of the big bang, then
the age of the universe today has been calculated ...WRONG!


Not only dat but the speed of light is...slowing down, Sir!


VSL


Look up at the night sky.
You see dat big dipper?
Dats the center of the universe.

It's like looking at the first page on Google.


No matter what keyword you use in Google search, you will always get the first page.


Why would you want to look at the last page? What will dat get you?? nothing.




-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#617294

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-08-10 10:52 -0700
Message-ID<64D523C1.61C3@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#617292
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Pentcho Valev wrote:
> > >
> > > (frequency at observer) = (speed of light relative to observer)/(distance between light pulses) https://youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE
> > >
> > > (frequency at observer) varies with speed of observer - Doppler effect.
> > >
> > > (speed of light relative to observer) varies proportionally (end of Einstein).
> > >
> > > Protective stupidity:
> > >
> > > George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity."
> > >
> > > Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
> >
> > I see people writing Variable Speed of Light everywhere, but i don't see anyone writing here the short version of it...(VSL).
> >
> > Learn grasshopper.
> >
> > The VSL varied since the big bang and even before dat. all numbers that are set today were varied in the past.
> >
> > Even colors varied.
> >
> > At the beginning of the big bang the first color was Red. Then Green...then blue. Before the big bang it was Greem.
> >
> > Blue was the first color before the big bang. After the big bang things got red hot.
> >
> > The VSL changes from the beginning of the big bang till it slowed down to a steady number...and
> > increases in other parts of the universe.
> >
> > It's VSL.
> >
> > Now, Question...What is the speed of light? is it 300,000 km per second, or is it 186,000 miles per second???? It varies, doesn't it?
> >
> >
> 
> In other words, if you're using today's speed of light to measure the age of the universe...
> 
> when in fact the speed of light was  billions (if not trillions) times faster at the bebinning of the big bang, then
> the age of the universe today has been calculated ...WRONG!
> 
> Not only dat but the speed of light is...slowing down, Sir!
> 
> VSL
> 
> Look up at the night sky.
> You see dat big dipper?
> Dats the center of the universe.
> 
> It's like looking at the first page on Google.
> 
> No matter what keyword you use in Google search, you will always get the first page.
> 
> Why would you want to look at the last page? What will dat get you?? nothing.
> 

Red-Shift?? Are you kidding me? Yous actually measure the universe by a
red-shift?


'the speed of light is...slowing down, Sir!'





-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#617136

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-08 11:25 -0700
Message-ID<d5c4b752-b16c-4995-a8f3-cd394919df32n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#616973
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:51:01 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> (frequency at observer) = (speed of light relative to observer)/(distance between light pulses) https://youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE 
> 
> (frequency at observer) varies with speed of observer - Doppler effect. 
> 
> (speed of light relative to observer) varies proportionally (end of Einstein). 
> 
> Protective stupidity: 
> 
> George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity." 
> 
> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev

I predict we will measure light accelerating in the future.
I will be  shown to be right over an increasing speed.
How old is our astronomy?

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#617206

FromLaurence Clark Crossen <l.c.c.sirius@gmail.com>
Date2023-08-09 11:06 -0700
Message-ID<f50a4597-f0c7-4a1b-8dcd-b3500c7f0d33n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#616973
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:51:01 AM UTC-7, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> (frequency at observer) = (speed of light relative to observer)/(distance between light pulses) https://youtube.com/watch?v=bg7O4rtlwEE 
> 
> (frequency at observer) varies with speed of observer - Doppler effect. 
> 
> (speed of light relative to observer) varies proportionally (end of Einstein). 
> 
> Protective stupidity: 
> 
> George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity." 
> 
> Pentcho Valev https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev
"In order to officially abandon an established scientific theory for being deemed invalid, the concerned scientific authorities must issue in consent a well-documented statement declaring such desertion with tangible justifications. Ironically, refutation of the Special Relativity cannot possibly be emanated from the physics community. The reason is that a physicist’s mind is formed to take established physics theories, especially Relativity, for granted. Physicists are systematically educated and brainwashed to the point that this theory becomes an unquestionable, blindly followed belief. They are so unreasonably convinced about the correctness and validity of the “proven” theory, they are appalled at the idea of questioning it, even at considering any challenging ideas or doubtful views; Relativity has been brought for them to the level of a religion!" - Radwan M. Kassir - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/mathematical-conflicts-special-theory-relativity-radwan-m-kassir/

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