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Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity

Started byEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
First post2018-02-28 08:32 -0800
Last post2018-03-16 10:47 +0000
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  Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 08:32 -0800
    Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 09:22 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:26 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 09:37 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:48 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 10:01 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 11:56 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 21:00 +0100
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:14 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 13:27 +0100
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ický Bezdrátovì <ikbe@wmkfre.np> - 2018-03-02 12:34 +0000
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-02 05:59 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:47 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-02 00:05 +0100
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:26 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:42 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 09:50 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 09:55 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 10:05 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:06 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:22 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:00 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:23 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 14:16 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:21 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:30 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:44 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:56 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-02-28 19:25 +0000
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 10:48 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 12:13 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 13:58 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 14:02 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-28 15:31 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 07:49 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-01 10:00 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 13:30 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-28 12:36 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-02-28 21:33 +0100
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:07 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:17 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 21:42 +0100
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:23 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 13:34 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-02-28 13:43 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-02-28 14:11 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 07:40 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-01 11:26 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 13:59 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 14:08 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 15:09 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 17:16 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:16 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-01 14:47 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 08:55 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-02 09:43 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:19 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-02 18:01 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:32 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-03 09:55 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:06 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:21 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-03 11:36 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 18:45 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 06:49 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 13:26 +0100
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:31 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-02-28 18:48 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 13:40 +0100
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-01 17:26 +0100
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-01 20:26 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-01 21:44 +0100
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 11:44 +0100
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-02 13:28 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-01 13:18 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-02 00:08 +0100
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:38 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-01 17:42 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-01 09:13 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 09:10 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:31 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:55 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 14:24 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:01 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:01 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 08:48 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 10:30 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:36 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 13:57 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 14:21 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:41 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-02 15:58 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 08:57 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 09:10 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-03-03 12:18 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 15:08 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:12 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-03-05 09:15 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 10:09 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:32 +0000
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:43 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:47 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 11:15 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 20:21 +0000
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 12:29 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 22:54 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 10:51 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 19:00 +0000
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:10 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:41 +0000
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:48 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:56 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:47 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 15:50 +0000
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:51 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 23:19 +0000
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 13:20 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:23 +0000
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:39 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:38 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 10:02 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 13:24 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:34 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:56 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 21:19 +0000
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:56 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:21 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:06 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:27 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:37 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:53 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:16 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 14:47 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:46 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:54 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 15:01 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:32 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:53 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:56 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:43 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-05 10:31 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 23:34 +0000
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:49 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-02 16:22 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 16:45 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 08:02 +0100
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 14:07 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 14:17 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 14:30 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:03 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-02 23:07 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 08:27 +0100
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 04:36 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-03 05:21 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 14:29 +0100
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 05:50 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-04 18:16 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 05:55 +0100
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:36 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 15:17 +0100
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:21 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 18:27 +0100
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:59 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 08:50 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-03 08:56 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 15:44 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:10 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 09:44 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 10:14 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 10:47 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 13:59 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 14:38 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:32 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:32 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 14:15 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 22:27 +0000
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:46 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:34 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 09:40 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:56 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:53 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:14 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 10:09 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:17 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 01:53 +0000
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 13:28 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:18 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 11:07 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:32 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 14:02 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 09:08 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:42 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:01 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-06 09:19 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 22:27 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 20:06 +0000
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:30 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 11:02 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 13:29 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 23:23 +0100
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:26 +0100
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 01:53 +0000
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:07 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 21:45 +0000
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-01 13:54 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 14:05 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:31 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:01 +0100
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 10:06 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 14:07 +0100
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-03 05:39 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:42 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-04 11:44 +0100
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:32 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:09 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:14 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:55 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 08:52 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 09:29 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:40 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 20:19 +0100
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 20:37 +0100
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 06:50 +0000
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 06:37 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-07 11:08 +0100
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 05:14 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-07 15:13 +0100
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 07:25 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 07:46 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-07 17:31 +0100
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:12 +0000
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-08 21:26 +0100
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 12:34 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 04:17 +0100
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 04:52 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 11:24 +0100
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 11:21 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-09 10:31 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 02:59 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 14:47 +0100
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-09 15:49 +0100
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-09 18:36 +0100
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 09:53 +0000
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 02:28 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-08 21:41 +0100
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 00:22 +0000
                              Just more BULL SHIT eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 06:50 +0000
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-01 15:07 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:17 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-02 09:49 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 13:09 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-02 13:21 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-03 09:49 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-03 10:05 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-04 16:56 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-04 17:38 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 07:03 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 07:54 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 14:36 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 22:47 +0000
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 15:07 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 23:14 +0000
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 07:53 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 11:25 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 20:59 +0000
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 14:18 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:33 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 20:55 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:22 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 07:44 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:00 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:58 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:04 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:39 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-08 07:05 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 15:49 +0000
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:53 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:50 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 18:02 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-05 07:05 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 12:05 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-02 07:25 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:25 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-01 13:22 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 14:43 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-02-28 22:16 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-02-28 13:17 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-01 11:32 +1100
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 08:12 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-02 09:04 +1100
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-01 15:02 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-02 11:43 +1100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 09:12 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 18:45 +0000
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-02 22:31 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:39 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 11:30 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:20 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 20:48 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 10:42 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 11:05 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:22 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 16:29 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 10:40 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 11:12 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 17:47 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-06 22:35 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-04 11:43 +1100
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-03-03 21:13 -0500
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-03 20:49 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-04 10:41 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:13 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-02 14:19 +0100
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-02 12:48 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 20:55 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 14:21 +0100
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-03 14:26 +0100
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 09:51 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-03 20:44 +0100
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-03 14:47 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-04 11:40 +1100
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 10:31 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-05 08:28 +1100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:47 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 08:54 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-05 18:05 +0100
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-06 11:24 +1100
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 13:08 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:07 +0000
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-07 13:11 +1100
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:30 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 09:10 +1100
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 14:25 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 21:11 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-08 06:26 +0100
                                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-07 23:12 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-07 17:17 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:06 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-08 11:21 -0800
                                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 13:49 -0800
                                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-08 15:38 -0800
                                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-09 10:56 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 15:07 +1100
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:10 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-09 11:49 +1100
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:01 +0000
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 19:48 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 20:12 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-03 20:14 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 12:21 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 12:27 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-03-04 12:30 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 13:03 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:08 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-05 08:14 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 13:22 -0800
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 08:34 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 09:53 -0800
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:05 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:13 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:43 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 07:42 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 16:46 +0100
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:02 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 07:58 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:10 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:22 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:35 +0000
                                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:40 +0000
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-06 15:43 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:01 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 16:10 -0800
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:18 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:26 -0800
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:34 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:50 -0800
                                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 10:15 -0800
                                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:09 -0800
                                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:11 -0800
                                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 14:08 -0800
                                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 23:18 +0100
                                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 14:47 -0800
                                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:17 +0000
                                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:29 -0800
                                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 08:25 -0800
                                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-08 17:32 +0100
                                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 18:36 +0000
                                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:01 +0000
                                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 15:30 -0800
                                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:02 -0800
                                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:05 -0800
                                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-07 19:09 +0100
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:31 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:14 +0000
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:42 +0100
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 20:49 -0600
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:51 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-04 11:26 +0100
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:27 +0000
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:16 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 08:43 +0000
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-11 06:54 -0700
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 07:14 -0700
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-05 17:11 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 13:08 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 21:21 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-04 23:33 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:18 +0000
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 09:23 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:56 +0000
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:01 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:09 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 10:34 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 18:45 +0000
                                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-05 11:11 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-05 21:20 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-05 22:55 +0100
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 09:38 +0100
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-06 11:06 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:15 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-06 09:26 +0100
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-05 12:35 -0800
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:17 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:28 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-01 21:28 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-01 09:45 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 18:29 -0600
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-04 09:58 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-04 10:23 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 15:18 -0600
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 08:33 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 11:05 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:04 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:41 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:49 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 22:07 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-06 16:29 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 03:21 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 07:33 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:58 +0000
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-07 13:31 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-07 13:41 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:06 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 15:58 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-05 14:00 -0600
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:25 +0000
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 08:40 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 12:30 -0600
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 19:06 +0000
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-06 19:10 +0000
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 14:22 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-06 20:43 -0600
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 08:41 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 08:55 -0800
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-07 09:50 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 12:00 -0800
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 17:25 +0000
                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-07 16:55 -0600
                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 08:32 -0800
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 08:41 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-08 09:24 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 12:11 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-08 23:04 +0100
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 21:32 -0800
                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 21:31 -0800
                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-09 06:33 +0100
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 22:33 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-09 10:41 +0000
                                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 23:02 -0800
                                  Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 12:27 +0000
                                    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 04:36 -0800
                                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 15:00 +0000
                                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 08:41 -0800
                                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 18:35 +0000
                                            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 10:44 -0800
                                              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 19:30 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 18:36 +0000
                      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-09 11:17 -0600
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 09:32 -0800
                        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-10 09:59 -0800
                          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-10 23:44 -0600
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:06 +0000
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-05 21:29 +0000
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:09 +0000
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:07 +0100
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:42 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-08 17:12 +0000
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-05 17:19 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-06 18:47 +1100
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-05 14:12 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-05 23:24 +0100
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-05 16:28 -0600
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 09:46 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 12:52 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-06 23:25 +0100
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:36 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 18:46 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 14:45 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:54 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 19:33 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:11 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 15:44 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 12:57 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-07 01:39 +0100
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-06 20:08 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-05 17:24 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 14:14 +0000
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-06 13:14 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-06 12:53 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 23:16 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:48 +0000
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Ernie Shackelford <iugtar@ttrwrta.oc> - 2018-03-07 17:58 +0000
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 13:01 -0800
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 16:53 -0800
          Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 22:39 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 22:57 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 23:55 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 00:17 -0800
                Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 09:25 -0800
            Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 10:48 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-08 10:49 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 11:08 -0800
              Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-08 19:39 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-08 15:16 +1100
        Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-07 20:42 -0800
    Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-07 13:13 -0800
      Re: Proper Time, Clock Tick Rates and Relativity Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-16 10:47 +0000

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#451470

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-04 21:21 +0000
Message-ID<p7hnvs$1bs4$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#451467
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 4:27:00 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> If I said it, why don't you QUOTE what I say and point out where it is
>>> wrong, instead of just CLAIMING I said something I never said?
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> But you must be prepared to defend your own claims, so
>>>> let's try again:
>>>> 
>>>> You claim that the rate of a clock is slower the faster it moves
>>>> relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred.
>>> 
>>> Yes.  But I would say a clock TICKS or RUNS slower.  "A clock is
>>> slower" is bad English and has no real meaning.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I claim that the apparent rate of any clock which is moving
>>>> relative to me is always slower than my clock.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what you mean by "apparent," plus "moving relative" to you
>>> could mean moving SLOWER relative to you.  In which case it is NOT what I said.
>> 
>> Good grief! :-D
>> You must have a serious reading comprehension problem!
>> 
>> The statement: "a clock which is moving relative to me"
>> means that the distance between me and the cock is changing,
>> the clock isn't stationary in my rest frame.
> 
> Correct.
> 
>> 
>> It can NOT mean: "a clock which is moving SLOWER relative to me",
>> because that statement is meaningless,  it isn't English.
>> 
>> Maybe you should look up the word "relative"?
> 
> RELATIVE: considered in relation or in proportion to something else.
> "the relative effectiveness of the various mechanisms is not known"
> synonyms: comparative, respective, comparable, correlative, parallel,
> corresponding "the relative importance of each factor"
> 
> If I am moving (as everyone in this universe is EXCEPT the point where
> the Big Bang occurred) and something is "moving slower relative (i.e.,
> compared) to me," that also means it isn't moving as fast as I am
> relative (i.e., compared) to the stationary point of the Big Bang.

Once again you are hampered by GUESSING what terms like “relative speed”
mean by piecing it together from the dictionary rather than looking in a
textbook where the term is defined. That is a fool’s approach. 


>  
> < snip > 
> 
>> I see that you do not like to be confronted with
>> the logical consequence of your own words.
>> You write a lot of nonsense and insist that
>> you never said what is quoted in the very
>> posting you are responding to.
>> 
>> So let's start from the beginning:
>> 
>> Ed Lake wrote:
>> "At the point where the Big Bang occurred, clocks tick at
>> the FASTEST rate they can possibly tick.
>> The faster they move relative to the stationary point
>> of the Big Bang, the slower they tick."
>> 
>> Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> "When I measure the rate of a clock which is moving relative
>> to me, I always find that it runs slower than my clock."
>> 
>> Ed Lake wrote:
>> "it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than
>> your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred."
>> 
>> And since any clock which is moving relative to me is always
>> moving faster than me and my clock relative to the point where
>> the Big Bang occurred, logic and reason tell me that no clock
>> is moving slower than me relative to the point where
>> the Big Bang occurred.
>> 
>> That's why I asked:
>> "Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move
>> slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred?"
>> 
>> So far, your responses to the question have been:
>> "No one said such a thing.  You are just(deliberately?)
>> misinterpreting things."
>> and
>> "I said your argument is nonsense."
>> 
>> Is this the best you can do? :-D
>> 
>> I look forward to see what kind of excuses you will
>> invent in order to escape the inevitable logic
>> of your own statements. :-D
> 
> Okay.  That's why I'm here: to explain things in different ways until I
> find the way that is simplest and easiest for others to understand.
> 
> 1. The point where the Big Bang occurred is probably the only truly
> STATIONARY point in the Big Bang universe.  
> 
> 2. Although I'm sitting at my desk typing into my computer, I am also
> moving through the universe because the earth under me is spinning on its
> axis, and the earth is moving in its orbit around the sun, and the sun is
> moving in its orbit around the Milky Way galaxy.  So, even though I seem
> to be sitting relatively motionless, I'm actually traveling at many
> thousands of miles per hour.  That speed is relative to the point where
> the Big Bang occurred. 
> 
> 3. If someone is moving "relative to me," i.e., either moving toward me
> or away from me, they are ALSO moving relative to the point where the Big
> Bang occurred (UNLESS they are somehow stationary relative to the
> stationary point where the Big Bang occurred, which would mean they are
> moving away from me at many thousands of miles per hour).
> 
> 4. If they are moving WESTWARD from me, they are probably moving slower
> than me relative to the point of the Big Bang, since they are moving
> against the movement of earth as it rotates on its axis.  (I say
> "probably," because things would only be "ideal" if that person is also
> moving against the movement of the earth as it orbits the sun.)
> 
> So, when Paul B. Anderson said (using your quote): "When I measure the
> rate of a clock which is moving relative to me, I always find that it
> runs slower than my clock." That is incorrect.  It would only run slower
> if it is ALSO moving faster relative to the point where the Big Bang
> occurred.  As stated above, if it is moving WESTWARD it will NOT be
> moving faster relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred.
> 
> You probably took my quote out of context.  But here is the same quote IN
> context: If you have a clock and find a spot in the universe that is
> stationary relative to the stationary point where the Big Bang occurred,
> and you see another clock moving relative to you, "it means that the
> moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the
> point where the Big Bang occurred."
> 
> In short, if you are stationary relative to the stationary point where
> the Big Bang occurred, ANYTHING that moves relative to you is moving
> faster than you.  And any clock that MOVES is TICKING SLOWER than your clock.
> 
> Ed
> 



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#451511

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-03-04 23:33 -0800
Message-ID<155893ec-74a0-4217-afbe-3087e286eadf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451470
On Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:21:04 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:

> Once again you are hampered by GUESSING what terms like “relative speed”
> mean by piecing it together from the dictionary rather than looking in a
> textbook where the term is defined. That is a fool’s approach. 
> 

Once again you are hampered by ignoring dictionaries and
following a moronic newspeak of your insane gurus. That
is a brainwashed fanatic's approach.

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#451530

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-05 15:18 +0000
Message-ID<p7jn51$eio$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#451511
<mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> On Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:21:04 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> 
>> Once again you are hampered by GUESSING what terms like “relative speed”
>> mean by piecing it together from the dictionary rather than looking in a
>> textbook where the term is defined. That is a fool’s approach. 
>> 
> 
> Once again you are hampered by ignoring dictionaries and
> following a moronic newspeak of your insane gurus. That
> is a brainwashed fanatic's approach.
> 

It’s so cute how a programmer complains about jargon as though it’s a sin. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#451548

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-03-05 09:23 -0800
Message-ID<9ae19dc1-235e-40e4-bf6d-42129be40cb7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451530
On Monday, 5 March 2018 16:19:01 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> > On Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:21:04 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> > 
> >> Once again you are hampered by GUESSING what terms like “relative speed”
> >> mean by piecing it together from the dictionary rather than looking in a
> >> textbook where the term is defined. That is a fool’s approach. 
> >> 
> > 
> > Once again you are hampered by ignoring dictionaries and
> > following a moronic newspeak of your insane gurus. That
> > is a brainwashed fanatic's approach.
> > 
> 
> It’s so cute how a programmer complains about jargon as though it’s a sin.

It's not a sin, it' s just a disgusting, primitive
brainwashing in this case.

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#451553

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-05 17:56 +0000
Message-ID<p7k0d6$10ov$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#451548
<mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> On Monday, 5 March 2018 16:19:01 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:21:04 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Once again you are hampered by GUESSING what terms like “relative speed”
>>>> mean by piecing it together from the dictionary rather than looking in a
>>>> textbook where the term is defined. That is a fool’s approach. 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Once again you are hampered by ignoring dictionaries and
>>> following a moronic newspeak of your insane gurus. That
>>> is a brainwashed fanatic's approach.
>>> 
>> 
>> It’s so cute how a programmer complains about jargon as though it’s a sin.
> 
> It's not a sin, it' s just a disgusting, primitive
> brainwashing in this case.
> 
> 

But not in the programming case. Only in the physics case. 

Lol. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#451556

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-03-05 10:01 -0800
Message-ID<0e6a0bc2-fed7-468b-be78-eb3825ed31b6@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451553
On Monday, 5 March 2018 18:56:59 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> > On Monday, 5 March 2018 16:19:01 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> >> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:21:04 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> Once again you are hampered by GUESSING what terms like “relative speed”
> >>>> mean by piecing it together from the dictionary rather than looking in a
> >>>> textbook where the term is defined. That is a fool’s approach. 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Once again you are hampered by ignoring dictionaries and
> >>> following a moronic newspeak of your insane gurus. That
> >>> is a brainwashed fanatic's approach.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> It’s so cute how a programmer complains about jargon as though it’s a sin.
> > 
> > It's not a sin, it' s just a disgusting, primitive
> > brainwashing in this case.
> > 
> > 
> 
> But not in the programming case. Only in the physics case. 

We don't redefine "proper" or "confirm" to "prove"
that our ideology is proper and confirmed, poor idiot.

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#451558

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-05 18:09 +0000
Message-ID<p7k158$128l$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#451556
<mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> On Monday, 5 March 2018 18:56:59 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>>> On Monday, 5 March 2018 16:19:01 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:21:04 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Once again you are hampered by GUESSING what terms like “relative speed”
>>>>>> mean by piecing it together from the dictionary rather than looking in a
>>>>>> textbook where the term is defined. That is a fool’s approach. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Once again you are hampered by ignoring dictionaries and
>>>>> following a moronic newspeak of your insane gurus. That
>>>>> is a brainwashed fanatic's approach.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> It’s so cute how a programmer complains about jargon as though it’s a sin.
>>> 
>>> It's not a sin, it' s just a disgusting, primitive
>>> brainwashing in this case.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> But not in the programming case. Only in the physics case. 
> 
> We don't redefine "proper" or "confirm" to "prove"
> that our ideology is proper and confirmed, poor idiot.
> 
> 
> 

Well, you do redefine “class” and “routine” and “compile” and a whole
shitload of other terms to suit your purpose. But for you this is just
fine. But jargon in physics, oh no, that’s disgusting brainwashing. 

Lol. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#451563

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-03-05 10:34 -0800
Message-ID<5069ec65-5b3e-4209-b76f-fee7054ee6f2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451558
On Monday, 5 March 2018 19:09:47 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> > On Monday, 5 March 2018 18:56:59 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> >> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 5 March 2018 16:19:01 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> >>>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:21:04 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> Once again you are hampered by GUESSING what terms like “relative speed”
> >>>>>> mean by piecing it together from the dictionary rather than looking in a
> >>>>>> textbook where the term is defined. That is a fool’s approach. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Once again you are hampered by ignoring dictionaries and
> >>>>> following a moronic newspeak of your insane gurus. That
> >>>>> is a brainwashed fanatic's approach.
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> It’s so cute how a programmer complains about jargon as though it’s a sin.
> >>> 
> >>> It's not a sin, it' s just a disgusting, primitive
> >>> brainwashing in this case.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> But not in the programming case. Only in the physics case. 
> > 
> > We don't redefine "proper" or "confirm" to "prove"
> > that our ideology is proper and confirmed, poor idiot.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Well, you do redefine “class” and “routine” and “compile” and a whole


But we don't redefine "proper" or "confirm" to prove some moronic
ideology proper and confirmed.
The words are different, poor idiot. Some of them should NEVER
be redefined. 
Nothing you could ever understand, of course.

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#451566

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2018-03-05 18:45 +0000
Message-ID<p7k390$162s$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#451563
<mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> On Monday, 5 March 2018 19:09:47 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>>> On Monday, 5 March 2018 18:56:59 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 5 March 2018 16:19:01 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>>>>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:21:04 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Once again you are hampered by GUESSING what terms like “relative speed”
>>>>>>>> mean by piecing it together from the dictionary rather than looking in a
>>>>>>>> textbook where the term is defined. That is a fool’s approach. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Once again you are hampered by ignoring dictionaries and
>>>>>>> following a moronic newspeak of your insane gurus. That
>>>>>>> is a brainwashed fanatic's approach.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It’s so cute how a programmer complains about jargon as though it’s a sin.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's not a sin, it' s just a disgusting, primitive
>>>>> brainwashing in this case.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> But not in the programming case. Only in the physics case. 
>>> 
>>> We don't redefine "proper" or "confirm" to "prove"
>>> that our ideology is proper and confirmed, poor idiot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Well, you do redefine “class” and “routine” and “compile” and a whole
> 
> 
> But we don't redefine "proper" or "confirm" to prove some moronic
> ideology proper and confirmed.
> The words are different, poor idiot. Some of them should NEVER
> be redefined. 
> Nothing you could ever understand, of course.
> 
> 
> 

And what do you say to someone who says “class” should NEVER be redefined? 

The conceit that you carry is gigantic. A form of elephantiasis, I’m
surmising. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#451572

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-03-05 11:11 -0800
Message-ID<95266770-9b00-4dd3-984d-09903eb3f3a0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451566
On Monday, 5 March 2018 19:45:56 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> > On Monday, 5 March 2018 19:09:47 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> >> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> >>> On Monday, 5 March 2018 18:56:59 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> >>>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, 5 March 2018 16:19:01 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> >>>>>> <mlwozniak@wp.pl> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, 4 March 2018 22:21:04 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Once again you are hampered by GUESSING what terms like “relative speed”
> >>>>>>>> mean by piecing it together from the dictionary rather than looking in a
> >>>>>>>> textbook where the term is defined. That is a fool’s approach. 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Once again you are hampered by ignoring dictionaries and
> >>>>>>> following a moronic newspeak of your insane gurus. That
> >>>>>>> is a brainwashed fanatic's approach.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> It’s so cute how a programmer complains about jargon as though it’s a sin.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> It's not a sin, it' s just a disgusting, primitive
> >>>>> brainwashing in this case.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> But not in the programming case. Only in the physics case. 
> >>> 
> >>> We don't redefine "proper" or "confirm" to "prove"
> >>> that our ideology is proper and confirmed, poor idiot.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Well, you do redefine “class” and “routine” and “compile” and a whole
> > 
> > 
> > But we don't redefine "proper" or "confirm" to prove some moronic
> > ideology proper and confirmed.
> > The words are different, poor idiot. Some of them should NEVER
> > be redefined. 
> > Nothing you could ever understand, of course.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> And what do you say to someone who says “class” should NEVER be redefined? 

Try, poor idiot, and you will learn. Are you stupid
enough?

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#451578

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2018-03-05 21:20 +0100
Message-ID<YDhnC.52040$7W5.24936@fx40.am4>
In reply to#451467
Den 04.03.2018 22.08, skrev Ed Lake:
> On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 4:27:00 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 03.03.2018 18.51, skrev Ed Lake:
>>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:21:47 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I claim that the apparent rate of any clock which is moving
>>>> relative to me is always slower than my clock.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what you mean by "apparent," plus "moving relative" to you could mean moving SLOWER relative to you.  In which case it is NOT what I said.
>>
>> Good grief! :-D
>> You must have a serious reading comprehension problem!
>>
>> The statement: "a clock which is moving relative to me"
>> means that the distance between me and the cock is changing,
>> the clock isn't stationary in my rest frame.
> 
> Correct.
> 
>>
>> It can NOT mean: "a clock which is moving SLOWER relative to me",
>> because that statement is meaningless,  it isn't English.
>>
> 
> If I am moving (as everyone in this universe is EXCEPT the point where the Big Bang occurred) and something is "moving slower relative (i.e., compared) to me," that also means it isn't moving as fast as I am relative (i.e., compared) to the stationary point of the Big Bang.

No.

The statement #1:
  "A is moving slower relative to me."
is meaningless.

You could say #2:
  "A is moving slower than B relative to me."
which means that the distance between A and me
changes slower than the distance between B and me.

But what you meant to say was probably #3:
  "A is moving slower than me relative to the point where
   the big Bang occurred."

But the issue is that you claimed that my statement:
"a clock which is moving relative to me
  always runs slower than my clock."
could be interpreted as your meaningless statement #1.
And neither can it be interpreted as statement #2 or #3.

>   
> < snip >
> 
>> I see that you do not like to be confronted with
>> the logical consequence of your own words.
>> You write a lot of nonsense and insist that
>> you never said what is quoted in the very
>> posting you are responding to.
>>
>> So let's start from the beginning:
>>
>> Ed Lake wrote:
>>    "At the point where the Big Bang occurred, clocks tick at
>>     the FASTEST rate they can possibly tick.
>>     The faster they move relative to the stationary point
>>     of the Big Bang, the slower they tick."
>>
>> Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>    "When I measure the rate of a clock which is moving relative
>>     to me, I always find that it runs slower than my clock."
>>
>> Ed Lake wrote:
>>    "it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than
>>     your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred."

The only logical conclusion it is possible to draw
from the above is:

>>
>> And since any clock which is moving relative to me is always
>> moving faster than me and my clock relative to the point where
>> the Big Bang occurred, logic and reason tell me that no clock
>> is moving slower than me relative to the point where
>> the Big Bang occurred.

When you dispute that, you are doing a logical blunder.

>>
>> That's why I asked:
>>      "Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move
>>      slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred?"
>>
>> So far, your responses to the question have been:
>>     "No one said such a thing.  You are just(deliberately?)
>>      misinterpreting things."
>> and
>>     "I said your argument is nonsense."
>>
>> Is this the best you can do? :-D
>>
>> I look forward to see what kind of excuses you will
>> invent in order to escape the inevitable logic
>> of your own statements. :-D
> 
> Okay.  That's why I'm here: to explain things in different ways until I find the way that is simplest and easiest for others to understand.

Give it up, your idea that time dilation is caused by the speed
relative to "the point where the big bang occurred" is ludicrous.

We know that the apparent rate of a moving clock (t')
compared to the rate of the observer's clock (t) is:
  dt'/dt = sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) where v is the speed of
the moving clock in the observer's rest frame.

The only speed that matters is the speed of the moving
clock relative to the observer, and the rate of the moving
clock is always slower than the rate of the observer's clock.

The speed of the clock relative to anything else
in the universe is utterly irrelevant.

> 
> 1. The point where the Big Bang occurred is probably the only truly STATIONARY point in the Big Bang universe.
> 
> 2. Although I'm sitting at my desk typing into my computer, I am also moving through the universe because the earth under me is spinning on its axis, and the earth is moving in its orbit around the sun, and the sun is moving in its orbit around the Milky Way galaxy.  So, even though I seem to be sitting relatively motionless, I'm actually traveling at many thousands of miles per hour.  That speed is relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred.
> 
> 3. If someone is moving "relative to me," i.e., either moving toward me or away from me, they are ALSO moving relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred (UNLESS they are somehow stationary relative to the stationary point where the Big Bang occurred, which would mean they are moving away from me at many thousands of miles per hour).
> 
> 4. If they are moving WESTWARD from me, they are probably moving slower than me relative to the point of the Big Bang, since they are moving against the movement of earth as it rotates on its axis.  (I say "probably," because things would only be "ideal" if that person is also moving against the movement of the earth as it orbits the sun.)
> 
> So, when Paul B. Anderson said (using your quote): "When I measure the rate of a clock which is moving relative to me, I always find that it runs slower than my clock." That is incorrect.  It would only run slower if it is ALSO moving faster relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred.  As stated above, if it is moving WESTWARD it will NOT be moving faster relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred.
> 
> You probably took my quote out of context.  But here is the same quote IN context: If you have a clock and find a spot in the universe that is stationary relative to the stationary point where the Big Bang occurred, and you see another clock moving relative to you, "it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred."

So the context of your testament comes three days later
than your statement? :-D
That makes it rather hard to quote you in context!   :-D

> 
> In short, if you are stationary relative to the stationary point where the Big Bang occurred, ANYTHING that moves relative to you is moving faster than you.  And any clock that MOVES is TICKING SLOWER than your clock.
> 
> Ed
> 

I have been amused by your obvious self contradictions,
and your claims that you didn't say what you said, and
if you did, you didn't mean what you said because you
had forgotten to state the context of the statement.

Thanks for the entertainment, but now it's getting boring.

End of discussion.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#451600

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-03-05 22:55 +0100
Message-ID<63354469.ebXC4eOrGx@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#451578
Paul B. Andersen wrote:

> But what you meant to say was probably #3:
>   "A is moving slower than me relative to the point where
>    the big Bang occurred."

That would be *everywhere*, so this statement would be nonsense.
 

PointedEars
-- 
Q: Why is electricity so dangerous?  
A: It doesn't conduct itself.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#451675

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2018-03-06 09:38 +0100
Message-ID<SrsnC.162333$HD.3837@fx29.am4>
In reply to#451600
Den 05.03.2018 22.55, skrev Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> 
>> But what you meant to say was probably #3:
>>    "A is moving slower than me relative to the point where
>>     the big Bang occurred."

"you" is Ed Lake, and "the point where the Big Bang occurred"
is Ed Lake's invention.

> 
> That would be *everywhere*, so this statement would be nonsense.

Not according to Ed Lake.

>   
> 
> PointedEars
> 

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#451678

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-03-06 11:06 +0100
Message-ID<190050526.uqqapJKuWd@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#451675
Paul B. Andersen wrote:

> Den 05.03.2018 22.55, skrev Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
>> Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> But what you meant to say was probably #3:
>>>    "A is moving slower than me relative to the point where
>>>     the big Bang occurred."
> 
> "you" is Ed Lake, and "the point where the Big Bang occurred"
> is Ed Lake's invention.
> 
>> That would be *everywhere*, so this statement would be nonsense.
> 
> Not according to Ed Lake.

I see :)


PointedEars
-- 
Q: How many theoretical physicists specializing in general relativity
   does it take to change a light bulb?  
A: Two: one to hold the bulb and one to rotate the universe.
(from: WolframAlpha)

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#451607

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-03-05 14:15 -0800
Message-ID<94c7d339-680e-4a8e-8504-8c80315568b3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451578
On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:20:11 PM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 04.03.2018 22.08, skrev Ed Lake:
> > On Sunday, March 4, 2018 at 4:27:00 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >> Den 03.03.2018 18.51, skrev Ed Lake:
> >>> On Saturday, March 3, 2018 at 7:21:47 AM UTC-6, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I claim that the apparent rate of any clock which is moving
> >>>> relative to me is always slower than my clock.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure what you mean by "apparent," plus "moving relative" to you could mean moving SLOWER relative to you.  In which case it is NOT what I said.
> >>
> >> Good grief! :-D
> >> You must have a serious reading comprehension problem!
> >>
> >> The statement: "a clock which is moving relative to me"
> >> means that the distance between me and the cock is changing,
> >> the clock isn't stationary in my rest frame.
> > 
> > Correct.
> > 
> >>
> >> It can NOT mean: "a clock which is moving SLOWER relative to me",
> >> because that statement is meaningless,  it isn't English.
> >>
> > 
> > If I am moving (as everyone in this universe is EXCEPT the point where the Big Bang occurred) and something is "moving slower relative (i.e., compared) to me," that also means it isn't moving as fast as I am relative (i.e., compared) to the stationary point of the Big Bang.
> 
> No.
> 
> The statement #1:
>   "A is moving slower relative to me."
> is meaningless.
> 
> You could say #2:
>   "A is moving slower than B relative to me."
> which means that the distance between A and me
> changes slower than the distance between B and me.
> 
> But what you meant to say was probably #3:
>   "A is moving slower than me relative to the point where
>    the big Bang occurred."
> 
> But the issue is that you claimed that my statement:
> "a clock which is moving relative to me
>   always runs slower than my clock."
> could be interpreted as your meaningless statement #1.
> And neither can it be interpreted as statement #2 or #3.
> 
> >   
> > < snip >
> > 
> >> I see that you do not like to be confronted with
> >> the logical consequence of your own words.
> >> You write a lot of nonsense and insist that
> >> you never said what is quoted in the very
> >> posting you are responding to.
> >>
> >> So let's start from the beginning:
> >>
> >> Ed Lake wrote:
> >>    "At the point where the Big Bang occurred, clocks tick at
> >>     the FASTEST rate they can possibly tick.
> >>     The faster they move relative to the stationary point
> >>     of the Big Bang, the slower they tick."
> >>
> >> Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> >>    "When I measure the rate of a clock which is moving relative
> >>     to me, I always find that it runs slower than my clock."
> >>
> >> Ed Lake wrote:
> >>    "it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than
> >>     your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred."
> 
> The only logical conclusion it is possible to draw
> from the above is:
> 
> >>
> >> And since any clock which is moving relative to me is always
> >> moving faster than me and my clock relative to the point where
> >> the Big Bang occurred, logic and reason tell me that no clock
> >> is moving slower than me relative to the point where
> >> the Big Bang occurred.
> 
> When you dispute that, you are doing a logical blunder.
> 
> >>
> >> That's why I asked:
> >>      "Why am I such a privileged person that no clock can move
> >>      slower than me relative to the point were the Big Bang occurred?"
> >>
> >> So far, your responses to the question have been:
> >>     "No one said such a thing.  You are just(deliberately?)
> >>      misinterpreting things."
> >> and
> >>     "I said your argument is nonsense."
> >>
> >> Is this the best you can do? :-D
> >>
> >> I look forward to see what kind of excuses you will
> >> invent in order to escape the inevitable logic
> >> of your own statements. :-D
> > 
> > Okay.  That's why I'm here: to explain things in different ways until I find the way that is simplest and easiest for others to understand.
> 
> Give it up, your idea that time dilation is caused by the speed
> relative to "the point where the big bang occurred" is ludicrous.
> 
> We know that the apparent rate of a moving clock (t')
> compared to the rate of the observer's clock (t) is:
>   dt'/dt = sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) where v is the speed of
> the moving clock in the observer's rest frame.
> 
> The only speed that matters is the speed of the moving
> clock relative to the observer, and the rate of the moving
> clock is always slower than the rate of the observer's clock.
> 
> The speed of the clock relative to anything else
> in the universe is utterly irrelevant.
> 
> > 
> > 1. The point where the Big Bang occurred is probably the only truly STATIONARY point in the Big Bang universe.
> > 
> > 2. Although I'm sitting at my desk typing into my computer, I am also moving through the universe because the earth under me is spinning on its axis, and the earth is moving in its orbit around the sun, and the sun is moving in its orbit around the Milky Way galaxy.  So, even though I seem to be sitting relatively motionless, I'm actually traveling at many thousands of miles per hour.  That speed is relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred.
> > 
> > 3. If someone is moving "relative to me," i.e., either moving toward me or away from me, they are ALSO moving relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred (UNLESS they are somehow stationary relative to the stationary point where the Big Bang occurred, which would mean they are moving away from me at many thousands of miles per hour).
> > 
> > 4. If they are moving WESTWARD from me, they are probably moving slower than me relative to the point of the Big Bang, since they are moving against the movement of earth as it rotates on its axis.  (I say "probably," because things would only be "ideal" if that person is also moving against the movement of the earth as it orbits the sun.)
> > 
> > So, when Paul B. Anderson said (using your quote): "When I measure the rate of a clock which is moving relative to me, I always find that it runs slower than my clock." That is incorrect.  It would only run slower if it is ALSO moving faster relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred.  As stated above, if it is moving WESTWARD it will NOT be moving faster relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred.
> > 
> > You probably took my quote out of context.  But here is the same quote IN context: If you have a clock and find a spot in the universe that is stationary relative to the stationary point where the Big Bang occurred, and you see another clock moving relative to you, "it means that the moving clock is always moving faster than your clock relative to the point where the Big Bang occurred."
> 
> So the context of your testament comes three days later
> than your statement? :-D
> That makes it rather hard to quote you in context!   :-D
> 
> > 
> > In short, if you are stationary relative to the stationary point where the Big Bang occurred, ANYTHING that moves relative to you is moving faster than you.  And any clock that MOVES is TICKING SLOWER than your clock.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> 
> I have been amused by your obvious self contradictions,
> and your claims that you didn't say what you said, and
> if you did, you didn't mean what you said because you
> had forgotten to state the context of the statement.
> 
> Thanks for the entertainment, but now it's getting boring.
> 
> End of discussion.
> 
> -- 
> Paul
> 
> https://paulba.no/

Bye bye.

Ed

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#451674

From"Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Date2018-03-06 09:26 +0100
Message-ID<8hsnC.182955$WW4.68012@fx05.am4>
In reply to#451578
Den 05.03.2018 21.20, skrev Paul B. Andersen:
> 
> So the context of your testament comes three days later
> than your statement? :-D
> That makes it rather hard to quote you in context!   :-D
> 

Funny typo!
It is obvious what it should be.


-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#451581

FromRichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com>
Date2018-03-05 12:35 -0800
Message-ID<a40509ad-fd33-4cdc-8be0-95e064e67572@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451467
On March 4, Ed Lake wrote:
> If they are moving WESTWARD from me, they are probably moving 
> slower than me relative to the point of the Big Bang, since 
> they are moving against the movement of earth as it rotates on 
> its axis.  
> It would only run slower if it is ALSO moving faster relative 
> to the point where the Big Bang occurred.  As stated above, if 
> it is moving WESTWARD it will NOT be moving faster relative to 
> the point where the Big Bang occurred.

Very remarkable.  Ed Lake has concocted a method whereby 
we can determine the direction toward Genesis, by observing clock 
rates and rotation of the earth!

Ed, have you considered submitting this theory to an astronomy journal?

--
Rich

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#451608

FromDirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com>
Date2018-03-05 23:17 +0100
Message-ID<p7kfll$1rjo$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#451581
Op 05-mrt-2018 om 21:35 schreef RichD:
> On March 4, Ed Lake wrote:
>> If they are moving WESTWARD from me, they are probably moving
>> slower than me relative to the point of the Big Bang, since
>> they are moving against the movement of earth as it rotates on
>> its axis.
>> It would only run slower if it is ALSO moving faster relative
>> to the point where the Big Bang occurred.  As stated above, if
>> it is moving WESTWARD it will NOT be moving faster relative to
>> the point where the Big Bang occurred.
> 
> Very remarkable.  Ed Lake has concocted a method whereby
> we can determine the direction toward Genesis, by observing clock
> rates and rotation of the earth!
> 
> Ed, have you considered submitting this theory to an astronomy journal?
> 
> --
> Rich
> 

Yes, he has.
But imagine a mere outsider "analyst" Discovering How The
Universe Actually Works In Reality.
So they conspire against him.
Ed doesn't stand a chance.
You know how it works.

Dirk Vdm

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#451615

FromEd Lake <detect@newsguy.com>
Date2018-03-05 14:28 -0800
Message-ID<35714740-a41d-4302-b1df-8c0a58809858@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451581
On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 2:35:59 PM UTC-6, RichD wrote:
> On March 4, Ed Lake wrote:
> > If they are moving WESTWARD from me, they are probably moving 
> > slower than me relative to the point of the Big Bang, since 
> > they are moving against the movement of earth as it rotates on 
> > its axis.  
> > It would only run slower if it is ALSO moving faster relative 
> > to the point where the Big Bang occurred.  As stated above, if 
> > it is moving WESTWARD it will NOT be moving faster relative to 
> > the point where the Big Bang occurred.
> 
> Very remarkable.  Ed Lake has concocted a method whereby 
> we can determine the direction toward Genesis, by observing clock 
> rates and rotation of the earth!
> 
> Ed, have you considered submitting this theory to an astronomy journal?
> 
> --
> Rich

What I wrote doesn't determine direction, it only measures differences in relative velocity based upon known data.  If you had enough data, there might be a way to determine the direction to the point where the Big Bang occurred.  It's something worth thinking about.  You can use The Scientific Method to look for the answer.

Astronomy journals want new observations, not new theories.  New theories belong in general science and physics journals.  Astronomy journals have a LOT about OBSERVATIONS OF EVIDENCE of the Big Bang.  But they seem only concerned with the VISIBLE universe, not the Big Bang Universe.  They definitely seem to know the difference.   

It's supper time.  I'm shutting down for today.

Ed

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#451186

Frommlwozniak@wp.pl
Date2018-03-01 21:28 -0800
Message-ID<acb5a26e-48fa-44aa-b180-af5100c1809b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#451150
On Thursday, 1 March 2018 23:04:26 UTC+1, Sylvia Else  wrote:

> The simple answer is that the clocks took different paths through 
> space-time. An analogy is where two cars take different routes to arrive 
> at the same place. Their odometers will show different accumulated 
> distances, but it's not because they ran at different rates in terms of 
> increments indicated per distance travelled.

Unfortunately, it's not just a theory anymore. We have
GPS now, so we that know moving clocks accumulate the same 
amount of time, just like serious clocks always did.

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