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| Started by | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| First post | 2018-09-07 09:57 -0700 |
| Last post | 2018-09-28 20:20 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 617 — 34 participants |
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Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 09:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-07 12:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-07 23:40 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-07 15:38 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-07 21:40 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoire <euar@ewghwpq.gr> - 2018-09-08 11:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-08 14:26 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-08 12:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 20:06 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 22:11 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 20:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-08 14:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-08 23:47 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-08 14:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-08 21:59 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-08 18:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 10:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-09 11:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 12:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-09 13:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-09-09 14:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 07:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 13:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 13:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 21:11 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-09 14:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 06:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-09 20:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-09 14:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 03:40 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 07:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 16:06 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 09:43 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-10 16:45 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 09:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 17:50 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-10 17:46 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 13:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 10:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-11 14:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 06:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 09:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 11:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-12 18:09 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 14:40 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:04 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 17:31 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-19 12:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 13:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 21:58 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 15:20 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:36 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 16:22 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Jayson Durante <tug@wsedwsa.np> - 2018-09-20 17:40 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 07:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 14:35 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 15:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-13 08:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 08:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-13 09:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 10:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-13 09:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-13 12:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-13 13:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-15 11:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-09-15 12:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 20:43 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 14:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 08:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 16:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-16 23:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 09:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-15 12:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-15 22:52 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:03 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-15 22:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 10:10 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 14:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:42 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-15 23:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 08:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 16:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-13 07:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-15 23:43 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-16 17:08 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 10:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-15 19:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 06:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-11 19:19 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-11 15:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 16:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 07:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-12 07:50 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-12 06:18 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 08:44 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-12 09:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 09:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 09:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 10:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 10:18 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-12 18:06 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 14:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-12 15:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 14:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:28 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 08:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-15 23:54 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-12 10:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-12 10:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-12 18:42 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-12 23:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-11 23:41 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-11 13:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-11 20:10 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 14:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-11 22:28 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-11 16:25 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-08 22:43 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-10 10:15 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-10 12:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 09:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-11 13:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-11 13:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 06:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-17 13:48 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 20:05 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:15 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-08 22:43 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-11 12:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-12 06:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoires <ewab@ewgvpq.gn> - 2018-09-09 11:16 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-09 13:56 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoires <ewab@ewgvpq.gn> - 2018-09-09 12:01 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-09 14:19 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Lorent Regoires <ewab@ewgvpq.gn> - 2018-09-09 12:48 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-09 14:24 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-11 23:52 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-11 22:26 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-12 07:54 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-13 10:02 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> - 2018-09-13 17:03 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-15 18:38 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 12:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-15 13:12 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-15 13:35 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-15 13:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-15 21:08 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 07:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 08:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:51 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 10:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-16 19:42 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 18:01 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 10:02 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 10:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 10:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 11:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 12:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-16 13:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-16 13:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 17:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 16:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 09:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:40 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-17 14:44 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 21:45 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 14:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 09:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-18 19:41 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:09 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 11:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-18 11:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-18 23:19 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 22:03 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:29 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-20 17:47 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 16:30 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 09:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 12:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 13:08 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 17:19 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-20 18:30 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 23:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 11:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 10:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:08 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirv.on> - 2018-09-22 08:17 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 19:56 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 06:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 07:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-21 17:21 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 11:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:30 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 22:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-21 22:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 22:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-21 23:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-21 23:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 23:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-22 07:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 11:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-22 11:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirwv.on> - 2018-09-22 20:39 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 12:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 12:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 13:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 14:41 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Rhett Joyner <udof@rsrrfirw.on> - 2018-09-21 21:51 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-22 08:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-22 08:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-22 18:00 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-23 10:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 10:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 12:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 14:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-23 12:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-23 12:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-23 13:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-24 02:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-23 22:20 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-23 14:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 23:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 10:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-24 13:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 14:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-24 15:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 16:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 16:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 00:21 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 05:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 07:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 08:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 08:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-25 18:13 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 09:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 10:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 08:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-26 08:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 12:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 14:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-26 21:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:53 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-25 12:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-26 04:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 08:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-26 10:33 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 10:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-26 13:14 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-26 22:11 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-27 12:01 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 10:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 13:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:20 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:49 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-26 18:39 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-26 18:29 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:40 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 22:53 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 07:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:19 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 20:06 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 20:10 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 14:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 21:34 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-28 23:34 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 21:50 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-29 05:25 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-29 09:06 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 10:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 07:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 14:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:51 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 08:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 09:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 10:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-27 16:52 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 10:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 10:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-27 10:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 10:38 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-27 18:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 14:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 14:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 04:40 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 05:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-28 06:12 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 07:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:32 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:56 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 21:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-26 15:50 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-27 12:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 14:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-28 08:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 09:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 18:01 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-28 20:35 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-28 11:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 15:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-25 21:42 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 09:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 17:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:06 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:38 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 21:32 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 10:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 10:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 14:18 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-25 21:23 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 15:54 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-26 22:41 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:44 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 08:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 17:10 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 12:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:14 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 14:41 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-22 09:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-22 19:44 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 13:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 11:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 12:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 04:32 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 00:12 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 22:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 07:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 11:52 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 23:25 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-25 05:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 07:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-25 18:24 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:12 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 19:10 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 09:19 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 17:37 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 13:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 19:02 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 07:30 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-25 15:07 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:01 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-25 08:02 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-25 12:05 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 07:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-26 09:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 10:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-26 10:18 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-26 12:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-26 15:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 08:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-27 09:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 13:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-27 14:41 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 06:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 07:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 08:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 09:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 09:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 09:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:30 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-28 23:20 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 14:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-28 15:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 08:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 09:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 10:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 10:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 11:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 11:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 13:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 13:43 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 14:02 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-29 14:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-29 17:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 04:39 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-09-29 21:58 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-30 03:49 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 05:55 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 06:40 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 08:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 10:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-30 19:30 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 11:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 12:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 13:05 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 13:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-30 21:43 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 08:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-01 16:12 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 10:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 17:23 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-01 18:31 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 13:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 16:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-02 02:28 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-01 09:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 10:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-01 10:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 13:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 13:32 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 13:53 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 14:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 14:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> - 2018-10-01 22:23 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 16:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-02 03:21 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 15:27 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 08:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-01 04:10 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-30 11:18 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 13:12 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 13:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-30 14:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-30 15:30 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-10-01 09:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-01 17:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 20:58 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-30 20:52 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-29 20:53 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-29 14:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-29 21:32 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-02 17:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 07:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 07:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-03 07:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 08:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-03 08:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 09:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 09:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 17:13 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 12:15 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 12:50 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 19:56 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 21:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 17:34 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-04 14:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 21:41 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 20:02 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-03 10:22 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 12:50 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-06 07:41 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-10-06 21:50 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 15:38 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-10-03 16:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 13:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-01 14:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:30 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcotahr.ce> - 2018-10-01 22:25 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-01 22:53 -0500
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-02 13:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-02 14:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 15:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:55 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 14:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Burton Callanan <uuu@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 15:26 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-10-02 14:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-03 12:51 -0400
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-10-03 11:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 19:08 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 12:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-03 20:09 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 14:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paul Gish <uop@uwrwuao.tt> - 2018-10-04 17:38 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-10-03 17:58 -0400
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:50 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 14:17 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:13 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 13:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-27 17:13 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 13:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 03:42 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-27 21:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 11:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-25 00:17 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 07:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-09-25 20:14 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 18:02 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 18:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 03:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 10:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-17 10:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-17 10:49 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 18:35 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-17 15:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 23:28 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-18 07:13 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 14:30 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 18:02 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-16 22:09 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-16 22:15 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 13:52 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-16 17:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 10:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-17 10:21 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 10:24 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-17 10:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 15:03 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 22:16 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-17 15:38 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:10 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-09-18 16:20 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 17:27 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-17 08:22 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-16 23:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 14:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 22:13 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-17 17:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:43 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 09:39 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:51 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 10:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-18 13:36 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-09-18 22:42 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 21:55 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:14 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:17 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 19:36 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 11:26 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 12:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-18 22:38 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 14:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 22:12 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:45 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-19 23:33 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 07:59 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 08:34 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 12:11 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 14:55 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-21 09:48 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 20:03 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-20 20:44 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-20 13:44 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-20 23:23 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaws.np> - 2018-09-21 09:29 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-21 06:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-21 07:28 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-21 10:54 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-09-19 15:05 +0200
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 07:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-09-19 07:46 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 09:42 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-17 16:35 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:31 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-17 21:40 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 08:18 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-18 22:15 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-19 09:47 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-19 22:09 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 15:37 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:12 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 17:26 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 13:16 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-18 21:47 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-09-19 03:15 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 17:57 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 02:40 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-15 23:34 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Stakos Netakis <autp@wsalaw.oa> - 2018-09-16 10:09 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-16 09:04 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 06:19 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-17 14:10 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-17 15:23 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-18 09:01 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-18 11:58 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-18 12:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-09-20 01:09 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-27 10:00 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-27 23:03 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-09-28 07:29 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 17:22 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-29 09:12 +0000
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-09-28 10:33 -0700
Re: Time Dilation as I understand it Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-28 20:20 +0000
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-09 14:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <5B959577.222F@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #471166 |
Ed Lake wrote: > > On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 1:46:42 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote: > > Time Dilation is not steady... > > > > in other words, time dilales every so often..not every second. > > > > So, ...if you're perfoming an experiment...like with clocks... > > > > you have to wait...for...Time...to....dilate. > > > > > > If Time is not dilating > > while > > perfoming a > > Time Dilation > > experiment... > > nothing happens. > > > > So, your > > Time Dilation > > experiments > > are wrong.. > > if you're not taking > > into account > > Time Dilation > > not...dilating. > > > > > > But yous people fail to understand this... > > > > I'm astounded. > > I think you have a belief about Time Dilation that is different from the understandings held by everyone else in the world. > > If you have an atomic clock atop a mountain and another at the bottom of the mountain, the clock at the top of the mountain will ALWAYS tick just a bit faster than the one at the bottom. > > Or as the NIST stated it, "For example, if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." > > In other words, after a million years have passed, the higher clock will show that 3 more seconds have passed than the lower clock will show. > > There is no waiting involved. > > Ed "a million years"????
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-10 07:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b50cc658-050d-4692-83f3-606c9d49614a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471199 |
On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 4:49:32 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote: > Ed Lake wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 1:46:42 PM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Time Dilation is not steady... > > > > > > in other words, time dilales every so often..not every second. > > > > > > So, ...if you're perfoming an experiment...like with clocks... > > > > > > you have to wait...for...Time...to....dilate. > > > > > > > > > If Time is not dilating > > > while > > > perfoming a > > > Time Dilation > > > experiment... > > > nothing happens. > > > > > > So, your > > > Time Dilation > > > experiments > > > are wrong.. > > > if you're not taking > > > into account > > > Time Dilation > > > not...dilating. > > > > > > > > > But yous people fail to understand this... > > > > > > I'm astounded. > > > > I think you have a belief about Time Dilation that is different from the understandings held by everyone else in the world. > > > > If you have an atomic clock atop a mountain and another at the bottom of the mountain, the clock at the top of the mountain will ALWAYS tick just a bit faster than the one at the bottom. > > > > Or as the NIST stated it, "For example, if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." > > > > In other words, after a million years have passed, the higher clock will show that 3 more seconds have passed than the lower clock will show. > > > > There is no waiting involved. > > > > Ed > > > "a million years"???? Yes. Time Dilation is not noticeable unless you are going VERY fast or unless the gravity difference is really extreme. Atomic clocks measure time in billionths of a second. So, an atomic clock that is higher than another atomic clock will run faster, but only by a couple billionths of a second per day. Ed
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-09 13:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ddcf3fd4-1f58-4f35-bdbe-5b5d9126191b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471141 |
> You do not "learn" by BELIEVING what others say. True... > If what they say makes no sense and they cannot > explain their beliefs, then there is no reason to accept what they say. But in your case, you dont understand their language; you dont have a clue on the meaning of their words & sentences. So you cant claim that they are wrong, since you dont understand what they are saying. You need to LEARN their language, as we have been telling you the past months. > The objective is to learn, not to accept what others say. So, LEARN their language; learn the meaning o the words. > You need to pay attention to what Tom is saying. He says that > clocks do NOT tick at different rates at different altitudes. And that is true, *if* you understand the meaning of those words, which you dont. > All the scientists who say that clocks tick at different rates > at different altitudes and velocities are saying the same thing > I'm saying. No they're not; you do not understand the words they use. > Stating, "You DON'T understand it. You just fantasize that you do." > is not an attack? Nope. This shows that you dont understand what was written. > Those two sentences are attacks on ME. Nope. This shows once more that you do not understand what you read.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-09 13:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2a4a424e-ee86-4a0d-a9c4-2d45a8bbfbd7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471177 |
On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:26:05 PM UTC-5, rotchm wrote: > > You do not "learn" by BELIEVING what others say. > > True... > > > If what they say makes no sense and they cannot > > explain their beliefs, then there is no reason to accept what they say. > > But in your case, you dont understand their language; you dont have a clue on the meaning of their words & sentences. So you cant claim that they are wrong, since you dont understand what they are saying. You need to LEARN their language, as we have been telling you the past months. If their beliefs are disproved by experiments, then they are wrong. PERIOD. Learning their language won't change anything. > > > The objective is to learn, not to accept what others say. > > So, LEARN their language; learn the meaning o the words. I have no REASON to learn their language. The science can be described in ordinary English. The results of the experiments are clear. > > > > You need to pay attention to what Tom is saying. He says that > > clocks do NOT tick at different rates at different altitudes. > > And that is true, *if* you understand the meaning of those words, which you dont. If you understand the science, instead of demanding that everyone learn dogma, then the science is clear. Clocks tick faster and time passes faster at higher altitudes. > > > All the scientists who say that clocks tick at different rates > > at different altitudes and velocities are saying the same thing > > I'm saying. > > No they're not; you do not understand the words they use. Here are some words they use: "This “time dilation” can be quantified by comparing the tick rates of identical clocks that accompany the traveler and the stationary observer. Another consequence of Einstein’s theory is that clocks run more slowly near massive objects. In the range of speeds and length scales encountered in our daily life, relativistic effects are extremely small. For example, if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." Source: https://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=905055 Tom Roberts will rant that "clocks run more slowly near massive objects" does not mean that "clocks run more slowly near massive objects," it means that clocks tick at the same rate everywhere, but there are magical signals that make it seem otherwise. > > > Stating, "You DON'T understand it. You just fantasize that you do." > > is not an attack? > > Nope. This shows that you dont understand what was written. Evidently it is YOU who does not understand what was written. > > > Those two sentences are attacks on ME. > > Nope. This shows once more that you do not understand what you read. I just noticed that in a message after yours, Dono called me an "imbecile." I suppose you will claim that I do not understand that, either. You are wasting my time. Ed
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-09 21:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pn42am$sqo$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #471188 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote: > On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:26:05 PM UTC-5, rotchm wrote: >>> You do not "learn" by BELIEVING what others say. >> >> True... >> >>> If what they say makes no sense and they cannot >>> explain their beliefs, then there is no reason to accept what they say. >> >> But in your case, you dont understand their language; you dont have a >> clue on the meaning of their words & sentences. So you cant claim that >> they are wrong, since you dont understand what they are saying. You need >> to LEARN their language, as we have been telling you the past months. > > If their beliefs are disproved by experiments, then they are wrong. > PERIOD. Learning their language won't change anything. > >> >>> The objective is to learn, not to accept what others say. >> >> So, LEARN their language; learn the meaning o the words. > > I have no REASON to learn their language. The science can be described > in ordinary English. The results of the experiments are clear. M This is wishful thinking. Your inability to accurately read the correct meaning is proof. Learning the language, including mathematics, IS needed. Whether you want that to be true or not. Sorry. > >> >> >>> You need to pay attention to what Tom is saying. He says that >>> clocks do NOT tick at different rates at different altitudes. >> >> And that is true, *if* you understand the meaning of those words, which you dont. > > If you understand the science, instead of demanding that everyone learn > dogma, then the science is clear. Clocks tick faster and time passes > faster at higher altitudes. > >> >>> All the scientists who say that clocks tick at different rates >>> at different altitudes and velocities are saying the same thing >>> I'm saying. >> >> No they're not; you do not understand the words they use. > > Here are some words they use: > > "This “time dilation” can be quantified by comparing the tick rates of > identical clocks that accompany the traveler and the stationary observer. > Another consequence of Einstein’s theory is that clocks run more slowly > near massive objects. In the range of speeds and length scales > encountered in our daily life, relativistic effects are extremely small. > For example, if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km > near the surface of Earth, the higher clock emits about three more > second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." > > Source: https://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=905055 > > Tom Roberts will rant that "clocks run more slowly near massive objects" > does not mean that "clocks run more slowly near massive objects," it > means that clocks tick at the same rate everywhere, but there are magical > signals that make it seem otherwise. > >> >>> Stating, "You DON'T understand it. You just fantasize that you do." >>> is not an attack? >> >> Nope. This shows that you dont understand what was written. > > Evidently it is YOU who does not understand what was written. > >> >>> Those two sentences are attacks on ME. >> >> Nope. This shows once more that you do not understand what you read. > > I just noticed that in a message after yours, Dono called me an > "imbecile." I suppose you will claim that I do not understand that, either. > > You are wasting my time. > > Ed > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-09 14:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <4067681d-fbc2-4ae6-9eb9-28e84e8cb498@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471188 |
On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 4:57:31 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote: > On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:26:05 PM UTC-5, rotchm wrote: > > But in your case, you dont understand their language; you dont > > have a clue on the meaning of their words & sentences... > > If their beliefs are disproved by experiments, then they are wrong. True. > Learning their language won't change anything. But you do not know what their beliefs are, nor what the results of the experiments are. his is because, you dont understand what you have read. > > So, LEARN their language; learn the meaning o the words. > > I have no REASON to learn their language. Yes you do. You have read some literature right? You read what we write to you here, right? So, if you want to understand what you read, you *must* learn the meanings of the words used, right? > The science can be described in ordinary English. No, not always, and in fact, seldom. English is not the all-o-mighty languages of all languages. Some languages are better suited than others for some tasks. In science (& physics here), we have our own language which is similar to common english language). But you force yourself to confound both, and hence you dont understand what you read. > The results of the experiments are clear. But not to you, even when its written in "B&W". > instead of demanding that everyone learn dogma, No one is demanding nor forcing that. > Clocks tick faster and time passes faster at higher altitudes. No, because you dont understand what that means. You Are just parroting some texts, and attributing *your* meanings* to the words used. > > No they're not; you do not understand the words they use. > > Here are some words they use: > > "This “time dilation”... clocks run more slowly near massive... > > Source: https://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=905055 All irrelevant to you, since you dont understand the words they use. > Tom Roberts will rant that "clocks run more slowly near massive objects" > does not mean that "clocks run more slowly near massive objects," And he is correct in stating that. But you dont understand why he says that, not do you understand the expression "clocks run more slowly...". > I just noticed that in a message after yours, Dono called me an > "imbecile." I suppose you will claim that I do not understand that, > either. No I will not claim that; You understood him correctly in this instance. > You are wasting my time. I did not force you to reply.
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| From | JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-11 12:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <bbd296c8-0f00-44c3-b167-7205b70d8961@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471188 |
On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote: > On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:26:05 PM UTC-5, rotchm wrote: > > > You do not "learn" by BELIEVING what others say. > > > > True... > > > > > If what they say makes no sense and they cannot > > > explain their beliefs, then there is no reason to accept what they say. > > > > But in your case, you dont understand their language; you dont have a clue on the meaning of their words & sentences. So you cant claim that they are wrong, since you dont understand what they are saying. You need to LEARN their language, as we have been telling you the past months. > > If their beliefs are disproved by experiments, then they are wrong. PERIOD. Learning their language won't change anything. > > > > > > The objective is to learn, not to accept what others say. > > > > So, LEARN their language; learn the meaning o the words. > > I have no REASON to learn their language. The science can be described in ordinary English. No, it cannot. Nobody would "waste" decades of hard work if such thing were possible. > The results of the experiments are clear. Maybe, maybe not. That's not the point. Physics is not just a set of experimental results. You seem to think you can just read up on experimental results and then cook up something as a model and that'll be "FAPP" equivalent to physics. But the truth is that you VASTLY underestimate the incredible intricacy and the interconnections, so what you end up with this way is just gobbledygook. Junk. You have no first clue what you are missing. > > > You need to pay attention to what Tom is saying. He says that > > > clocks do NOT tick at different rates at different altitudes. > > > > And that is true, *if* you understand the meaning of those words, which you dont. > > If you understand the science, instead of demanding that everyone learn dogma, then the science is clear. You are not qualified to make pronouncements about experts "learning dogma". Nobody cares what you think unless you do your homework. -- Jan
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-12 06:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <47d9ac22-1e53-4b37-8884-bd186f2ec6e0@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471433 |
On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 2:40:05 PM UTC-5, JanPB wrote: > On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 1:57:31 PM UTC-7, Ed Lake wrote: > > On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:26:05 PM UTC-5, rotchm wrote: > > > > You do not "learn" by BELIEVING what others say. > > > > > > True... > > > > > > > If what they say makes no sense and they cannot > > > > explain their beliefs, then there is no reason to accept what they say. > > > > > > But in your case, you dont understand their language; you dont have a clue on the meaning of their words & sentences. So you cant claim that they are wrong, since you dont understand what they are saying. You need to LEARN their language, as we have been telling you the past months. > > > > If their beliefs are disproved by experiments, then they are wrong. PERIOD. Learning their language won't change anything. > > > > > > > > > The objective is to learn, not to accept what others say. > > > > > > So, LEARN their language; learn the meaning o the words. > > > > I have no REASON to learn their language. The science can be described in ordinary English. > > No, it cannot. Nobody would "waste" decades of hard work if such thing were > possible. > > > The results of the experiments are clear. > > Maybe, maybe not. That's not the point. Physics is not just a set of > experimental results. You seem to think you can just read up on > experimental results and then cook up something as a model and that'll > be "FAPP" equivalent to physics. But the truth is that you VASTLY > underestimate the incredible intricacy and the interconnections, so > what you end up with this way is just gobbledygook. Junk. You have > no first clue what you are missing. > > > > > You need to pay attention to what Tom is saying. He says that > > > > clocks do NOT tick at different rates at different altitudes. > > > > > > And that is true, *if* you understand the meaning of those words, which you dont. > > > > If you understand the science, instead of demanding that everyone learn dogma, then the science is clear. > > You are not qualified to make pronouncements about experts "learning dogma". > Nobody cares what you think unless you do your homework. > > -- > Jan I'm not interested in your opinions. Ed
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-09-09 20:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pn4030$qfb$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #471141 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 4:59:19 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> >On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 3:33:14 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: >> >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> >> >On the other hand, YOU DON'T understand it, you just DECLARE that you do. >> >> Umm, it is Tom's JOB to understand it. He is one of the few scientists >> >> who actually bother posting here. >> >But what Tom says disagrees with the experts and the experiments. >> No, what Tom says disagrees with YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING of the experts and >> the experiments. >> The subject of this string is "Time Dilation as I understand it" but if >> you were serious about the "as I understand it" part, you'd be wanting to >> LEARN from people who really know the stuff, not telling them they are >> wrong. >You do not "learn" by BELIEVING what others say. I said LEARN, not remembering by rote. A good teacher will make you understand a subject without having you just believe something. It's like teaching a little kid subtraction: you can teach by repetition: "5-2=3!" "5-2=3!" or you can explain it something like this: "If you have 5 pieces of candy and you eat two, how many do you have left?" The kid is more likely to understand the second technique. Instead you have an attitude "I will not learn by rote!" (or maybe "I will not learn at all!") and make up your own 'facts' and claim, without evidence, that you are right and everyone else is wrong! Now you expect everyone else to 'learn' by rote your own 'facts' that you made up! Meanwhile there is a potential resource (scientists in the field) who really do know the stuff for real because their work verifies it daily, that you can learn from, but instead you tell someone very knowledgeable in the field that's he's wrong! How stupid is that? > If what they say makes no sense Maybe they aren't a good teacher. Or more likely, there's some sort of mental block you are unable to get over. > and they cannot explain their beliefs, then there is no reason to accept >what they say. Again, either a better teacher is needed or you have to overcome your mental block. > The objective is to learn, not to accept what others say. Which is what I just said. >> > He says the NIST is LYING to people when they say that clocks speed up >> >when a clock is raised. >> No, he is saying that clocks do not speed up or slow down as observed >> locally. There IS a difference between two (non-local) clocks because of >> either SR or GR effects, or both. For example, for those clocks on two >> different levels (in a gravitational field), a person with one of the >> clocks will see it keeping perfect time. If he had a bunch of (local) >> clocks that were all ideal, for example, cesium clocks, rubidium clocks, >> aluminum clocks, the would all tick at 1 second per second. Now at the >> OTHER clock let's say there are also a bunch of (local) clocks. Someone >> local to THEM would also say they keep perfect time, 1 second per second. >> However, each would see the OTHER's clocks (non-local) as keeping >> different time. >You need to pay attention to what Tom is saying. He says that clocks do >NOT tick at different rates at different altitudes. Which is what I just said as well. > He says some kind of magical "signals" just make it appear that way. Rather than learn what he was trying to say, you dismiss it as "magic" and this not meaningful. >> > All I see is people stating opinions, >> What Tom states about clocks is not an opinion. >What is it? Gospel? No, it is verified scientific results, observed through numerous repeated experiments. >> >telling me I'm wrong, plus Tom telling me that all the scientists who >> >agree with me are lying or incompetent. >> What scientists agree with you? >All the scientists who say that clocks tick at different rates at different > altitudes and velocities are saying the same thing I'm saying. I doubt any say that. You just misinterpret them. >> >Questioning authority when the authority makes no sense is how you >> >learn. >> If the "authority" (meaning expert?) in science makes no sense, either >> the expert is out of his field, or (more likely) you don't undestand the >> science involved. >So, an authority in his field cannot be wrong?????!!! I said 'more likely, you don't understand'. > That would mean that > two authorities in the same field can never disagree! On what planet >is that true? Not on this planet. They will disagree on unproven hypotheses. But not on the results of verifiable, repeatable observations. >I repeat: If the authorities tell you that physics does not have to make >sense, that means they are peddling bullshit. What do you mean by "not make sense"? Violate common sense? Well many things will violate common sense. The earth not being flat violates common sense. The sun not being a big fireball that rises out of the ground into the sky in the east and flies across the sky before setting violates common sense. Humans evolved in a world where they NEVER experienced any relativistic motion, other than light itself, so most of SR violates common sense. >You cannot understand something UNLESS it makes sense. If you ACCEPT it >even though it makes no sense, you simply BELIEVE it to be true, you do >not UNDERSTAND it. That's your problem. You don't understand relativity. >> >What I wrote in "Time Dilation -- as I understand it" makes PERFECT SENSE. >> Maybe to you, but not to scientists. >If it doesn't make sense, why can't anyone here EXPLAIN what about it >doesn't make sense? Some have tried. Many know this place is riddled with kooks and it is impossible to get all of them to understand why they are wrong. > Why can they only say it is "wrong" or claim I do not understand physics? Nobody has time to try to help every "wrong" person here. >> > But no one here will even discuss it. Tom Roberts just makes a personal >> >attack. The same with the people on my "Do Not Reply" list. Did you do something stupid to him first? >> >When all people can do is launch personal attacks, that tells me that their >> >minds are closed and I am telling them things they do not want to hear. >> Or it means they got frustrated when trying to show you your mistakes, and >> take out their frustration in attacking you. (or what you consider attacks >> are not attacks at all). >Calling me a "cretin" (in many other threads) is not an attack???? As I said, they take out their frustration by attacking you. Many patiently explain something to someone who is a crank, and the crank blows it off and obviously has learned nothing, that is frustrating. Some here have very short fuses, or are mean/trolls. Without looking, I can guess who that would be (short suspect list). Some may be frustrated as a whole against everyone else's mistakes and take it on you for a first mistake. However you repeatedly make mistakes. >Stating, "You DON'T understand it. You just fantasize that you do." is not >an attack? Those two sentences are attacks on ME. No, I KNOW you don't understand it. Your actions DO match that you think you do but I suppose there could be some other explanation. >They are PERSONAL OPINIONS about my ability to learn and understand. I know you don't understand it by some of your false statements. Assuming you are not deliberately lying/trolling or something. >If you and I are measuring time using a pulsar as I travel at high speed >from Earth to Alpha Centauri, will it require the same number of pulses >of the pulsar for me to boil a 3-minute egg as it does for you back on >Earth? Don't know, does this take into account time dilation etc. of SR?
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-09 14:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8e01f4ca-d9b9-4967-8995-3af04412e804@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471180 |
On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:33:38 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > > >On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 4:59:19 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > > >> >On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 3:33:14 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > > >> >> >On the other hand, YOU DON'T understand it, you just DECLARE that you do. > > >> >> Umm, it is Tom's JOB to understand it. He is one of the few scientists > >> >> who actually bother posting here. > > >> >But what Tom says disagrees with the experts and the experiments. > > >> No, what Tom says disagrees with YOUR MISUNDERSTANDING of the experts and > >> the experiments. > > >> The subject of this string is "Time Dilation as I understand it" but if > >> you were serious about the "as I understand it" part, you'd be wanting to > >> LEARN from people who really know the stuff, not telling them they are > >> wrong. > > >You do not "learn" by BELIEVING what others say. > > I said LEARN, not remembering by rote. A good teacher will make you > understand a subject without having you just believe something. It's like > teaching a little kid subtraction: you can teach by repetition: "5-2=3!" > "5-2=3!" or you can explain it something like this: "If you have 5 pieces > of candy and you eat two, how many do you have left?" The kid is more > likely to understand the second technique. > > > Instead you have an attitude "I will not learn by rote!" (or maybe "I will > not learn at all!") and make up your own 'facts' and claim, without > evidence, that you are right and everyone else is wrong! Now you expect > everyone else to 'learn' by rote your own 'facts' that you made up! > Meanwhile there is a potential resource (scientists in the field) who > really do know the stuff for real because their work verifies it daily, > that you can learn from, but instead you tell someone very knowledgeable > in the field that's he's wrong! How stupid is that? What you say seems stupid, but it is your stupidity, since it has nothing to do with what I'm doing. All I am asking is for people to explain to me where I am wrong. But they cannot. The best they can do is recite mathematical dogma. > > > > If what they say makes no sense > > Maybe they aren't a good teacher. Or more likely, there's some sort of > mental block you are unable to get over. > > > and they cannot explain their beliefs, then there is no reason to accept > >what they say. > > Again, either a better teacher is needed or you have to overcome your > mental block. I do research to confirm or debunk my findings. I cite the supporting experiments and documents in my papers. Claiming that I am wrong without explaining HOW I am wrong is just a waste of everyone's time. > > > The objective is to learn, not to accept what others say. > > Which is what I just said. > > >> > He says the NIST is LYING to people when they say that clocks speed up > >> >when a clock is raised. > > >> No, he is saying that clocks do not speed up or slow down as observed > >> locally. There IS a difference between two (non-local) clocks because of > >> either SR or GR effects, or both. For example, for those clocks on two > >> different levels (in a gravitational field), a person with one of the > >> clocks will see it keeping perfect time. If he had a bunch of (local) > >> clocks that were all ideal, for example, cesium clocks, rubidium clocks, > >> aluminum clocks, the would all tick at 1 second per second. Now at the > >> OTHER clock let's say there are also a bunch of (local) clocks. Someone > >> local to THEM would also say they keep perfect time, 1 second per second. > >> However, each would see the OTHER's clocks (non-local) as keeping > >> different time. Yes, I know, but Tom Roberts says that all clocks tick at the same rate and it is some MAGICAL SIGNALS that make it SEEM like a higher clock is ticking at a different rate. We discussed the NIST experiment. He claimed the NIST didn't know what they were doing. He claimed the two clocks actually ticked at the same rate, but some magical signals make it seem otherwise. > > >You need to pay attention to what Tom is saying. He says that clocks do > >NOT tick at different rates at different altitudes. > > Which is what I just said as well. > > > He says some kind of magical "signals" just make it appear that way. > > Rather than learn what he was trying to say, you dismiss it as "magic" > and this not meaningful. I call it "magical signals" because he REFUSES to explain how those "signals" work. So, they must work by magic. > > >> > All I see is people stating opinions, > > >> What Tom states about clocks is not an opinion. > > >What is it? Gospel? > > No, it is verified scientific results, observed through numerous repeated > experiments. Nonsense. He DISPUTES verified scientific results observed through numerous repeated experiments. HE DISPUTES TIME DILATION IS REAL. He argues that it is just an illusion resulting from misreading "signals." > > >> >telling me I'm wrong, plus Tom telling me that all the scientists who > >> >agree with me are lying or incompetent. > > >> What scientists agree with you? > > >All the scientists who say that clocks tick at different rates at different > > altitudes and velocities are saying the same thing I'm saying. > > I doubt any say that. You just misinterpret them. I quote: "This “time dilation” can be quantified by comparing the tick rates of identical clocks that accompany the traveler and the stationary observer. Another consequence of Einstein’s theory is that clocks run more slowly near massive objects. In the range of speeds and length scales encountered in our daily life, relativistic effects are extremely small. For example, if two identical clocks are separated vertically by 1 km near the surface of Earth, the higher clock emits about three more second-ticks than the lower one in a million years." Source: https://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=905055 Tom will dispute that "clocks run more slowly near massive objects." He claims they run at the same rate everywhere. He has stated that the NIST just didn't know what they were doing. > > >> >Questioning authority when the authority makes no sense is how you > >> >learn. > > >> If the "authority" (meaning expert?) in science makes no sense, either > >> the expert is out of his field, or (more likely) you don't undestand the > >> science involved. > > >So, an authority in his field cannot be wrong?????!!! > > I said 'more likely, you don't understand'. > > > That would mean that > > two authorities in the same field can never disagree! On what planet > >is that true? Not on this planet. > > They will disagree on unproven hypotheses. But not on the results of > verifiable, repeatable observations. You are still on a different planet. History is filled with examples of people disagreeing on the results of verifiable, repeatable observations. Scientists once believed that the sun moved around the earth. Repeated observations showed that and verified that. What is needed is someone who interprets the same things differently. Or some "exception" that no one can explain without rethinking everything. > > >I repeat: If the authorities tell you that physics does not have to make > >sense, that means they are peddling bullshit. > > What do you mean by "not make sense"? Violate common sense? Well many > things will violate common sense. The earth not being flat violates common > sense. The sun not being a big fireball that rises out of the ground into > the sky in the east and flies across the sky before setting violates > common sense. No it doesn't. It may have violated common sense thousands of years ago, but "common sense" is different today. Today virtually everyone understands how gravity allows us to live on a sphere. Today it is the "Flat Earthers" who violate common sense. http://oldguynewissues.blogspot.com/2017/12/examining-claims-of-flat-earth-theorists.html > > Humans evolved in a world where they NEVER experienced any relativistic > motion, other than light itself, so most of SR violates common sense. Maybe the way you believe things, but not the way things really are. The idea that astronauts age at a different rate than people on earth is generally accepted as "common sense." People may not be able to explain it scientifically, but they accept it. They think it is "amazing" and "wonderful." > > >You cannot understand something UNLESS it makes sense. If you ACCEPT it > >even though it makes no sense, you simply BELIEVE it to be true, you do > >not UNDERSTAND it. > > That's your problem. You don't understand relativity. What I accept are things that make perfect sense TO ME. If they do not make sense to you, that is your problem. Relativity makes perfect sense to me, and I've written a slew of papers on the subject explaining my understandings. > > >> >What I wrote in "Time Dilation -- as I understand it" makes PERFECT SENSE. > > >> Maybe to you, but not to scientists. > > >If it doesn't make sense, why can't anyone here EXPLAIN what about it > >doesn't make sense? > > Some have tried. Many know this place is riddled with kooks and it is > impossible to get all of them to understand why they are wrong. > > > Why can they only say it is "wrong" or claim I do not understand physics? > > Nobody has time to try to help every "wrong" person here. Or maybe they only know mathematics and cannot explain anything except mathematics. > > >> > But no one here will even discuss it. Tom Roberts just makes a personal > >> >attack. The same with the people on my "Do Not Reply" list. > > Did you do something stupid to him first? Nope. I don't recall our first contact, but it was almost certainly just a disagreement over whether clocks really do run slower at lower altitudes or whether it is just an illusion resulting from misinterpreting "signals." I've been saving all my discussions on his forum, but there is no easy way to hunt for our first encounter. I almost certainly have a copy somewhere. > > >> >When all people can do is launch personal attacks, that tells me that their > >> >minds are closed and I am telling them things they do not want to hear. > > >> Or it means they got frustrated when trying to show you your mistakes, and > >> take out their frustration in attacking you. (or what you consider attacks > >> are not attacks at all). > > >Calling me a "cretin" (in many other threads) is not an attack???? > > As I said, they take out their frustration by attacking you. > Many patiently explain something to someone who is a crank, and the > crank blows it off and obviously has learned nothing, that is frustrating. > Some here have very short fuses, or are mean/trolls. Without looking, I > can guess who that would be (short suspect list). Some may be frustrated > as a whole against everyone else's mistakes and take it on you for a first > mistake. However you repeatedly make mistakes. > > >Stating, "You DON'T understand it. You just fantasize that you do." is not > >an attack? Those two sentences are attacks on ME. > > No, I KNOW you don't understand it. Your actions DO match that you think > you do but I suppose there could be some other explanation. > > >They are PERSONAL OPINIONS about my ability to learn and understand. > > I know you don't understand it by some of your false statements. Assuming > you are not deliberately lying/trolling or something. > > >If you and I are measuring time using a pulsar as I travel at high speed > >from Earth to Alpha Centauri, will it require the same number of pulses > >of the pulsar for me to boil a 3-minute egg as it does for you back on > >Earth? > > Don't know, does this take into account time dilation etc. of SR? Of course it does. It's a simple question. My web page goes into great detail about it. I'll phrase the question a different way: 1. There is a pulsar that flashes once per second when viewed from Earth. 2. You are on Earth boiling a 3 minute egg using the pulsar as a timer. 3. I am traveling at 99.5% of the speed of light at right angles to that pulsar, and I am also boiling an egg using that pulsar as a timer. 4. Will we have counted the same number of pulses when the 3-minute egg is done? Ed
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-09-10 03:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pn4p38$ica$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #471198 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:33:38 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> That's your problem. You don't understand relativity. >What I accept are things that make perfect sense TO ME. If they do not >make sense to you, that is your problem. Relativity makes perfect sense >to me, and I've written a slew of papers on the subject explaining my >understandings. So what you are saying is that you want to live in your dreamworld of science, based on your (mis)interpretation of relativity, and if we won't go along with your dreamworld, too bad for us. Sorry, but I will stick with what actual science says. >> >> >What I wrote in "Time Dilation -- as I understand it" makes PERFECT SENSE. >> >> Maybe to you, but not to scientists. >> >If it doesn't make sense, why can't anyone here EXPLAIN what about it >> >doesn't make sense? >> Some have tried. Many know this place is riddled with kooks and it is=20 >> impossible to get all of them to understand why they are wrong. >> > Why can they only say it is "wrong" or claim I do not understand physics? >> Nobody has time to try to help every "wrong" person here. >Or maybe they only know mathematics and cannot explain anything except >mathematics. Or maybe because your claims have gone beyond simply 'wrong' and are now well within 'not even wrong' territory. >> >They are PERSONAL OPINIONS about my ability to learn and understand. >> I know you don't understand it by some of your false statements. Assuming >> you are not deliberately lying/trolling or something. >> >If you and I are measuring time using a pulsar as I travel at high speed >> >from Earth to Alpha Centauri, will it require the same number of pulses >> >of the pulsar for me to boil a 3-minute egg as it does for you back on= >> >Earth? >> Don't know, does this take into account time dilation etc. of SR? >Of course it does. It's a simple question. My web page goes into great >detail about it. I'll phrase the question a different way: >1. There is a pulsar that flashes once per second when viewed from Earth. >2. You are on Earth boiling a 3 minute egg using the pulsar as a timer. >3. I am traveling at 99.5% of the speed of light at right angles to that >pulsar, and I am also boiling an egg using that pulsar as a timer. >4. Will we have counted the same number of pulses when the 3-minute egg is >done? No.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-10 07:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <51cfb133-4a95-44b4-8332-bb102c93d96c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471223 |
On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 10:40:26 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > > >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:33:38 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > >> >If you and I are measuring time using a pulsar as I travel at high speed > >> >from Earth to Alpha Centauri, will it require the same number of pulses > >> >of the pulsar for me to boil a 3-minute egg as it does for you back on= > >> >Earth? > > >> Don't know, does this take into account time dilation etc. of SR? > > >Of course it does. It's a simple question. My web page goes into great > >detail about it. I'll phrase the question a different way: > > >1. There is a pulsar that flashes once per second when viewed from Earth. > > >2. You are on Earth boiling a 3 minute egg using the pulsar as a timer. > > >3. I am traveling at 99.5% of the speed of light at right angles to that > >pulsar, and I am also boiling an egg using that pulsar as a timer. > > >4. Will we have counted the same number of pulses when the 3-minute egg is > >done? > > No. Who will have counted the larger number of pulses and why? Ed
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-09-10 16:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pn64q8$18o$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #471256 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 10:40:26 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> >> >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:33:38 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: >> >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> >> >If you and I are measuring time using a pulsar as I travel at high speed >> >> >from Earth to Alpha Centauri, will it require the same number of pulses >> >> >of the pulsar for me to boil a 3-minute egg as it does for you back on >> >> >Earth? >> >> >> Don't know, does this take into account time dilation etc. of SR? >> >> >Of course it does. It's a simple question. My web page goes into great >> >detail about it. I'll phrase the question a different way: >> >> >1. There is a pulsar that flashes once per second when viewed from Earth. >> >> >2. You are on Earth boiling a 3 minute egg using the pulsar as a timer. >> >> >3. I am traveling at 99.5% of the speed of light at right angles to that >> >pulsar, and I am also boiling an egg using that pulsar as a timer. >> >> >4. Will we have counted the same number of pulses when the 3-minute egg is >> >done? >> >> No. >Who will have counted the larger number of pulses and why? Should be rather obvious. Moving at 99.5% of c inertially relative to the pulsar (at right angles, so no Doppler, good) is equivalent to using the frame of reference where the spaceship is stationary and the pulsar is moving the opposite direction at 99.5% c. Since moving clocks are perceived to run slow by the stationary observer, the pulsar will be seen as running slow. At 99.5% c gamma is about 10, so the pulsar will be perceived as ticking ~1 time per 10 seconds.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-10 09:43 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1c5f9854-2a6b-4750-ac8a-71ac9cd16793@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471265 |
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:06:34 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > > >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 10:40:26 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > >> > >> >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:33:38 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > >> >> >If you and I are measuring time using a pulsar as I travel at high speed > >> >> >from Earth to Alpha Centauri, will it require the same number of pulses > >> >> >of the pulsar for me to boil a 3-minute egg as it does for you back on > >> >> >Earth? > >> > >> >> Don't know, does this take into account time dilation etc. of SR? > >> > >> >Of course it does. It's a simple question. My web page goes into great > >> >detail about it. I'll phrase the question a different way: > >> > >> >1. There is a pulsar that flashes once per second when viewed from Earth. > >> > >> >2. You are on Earth boiling a 3 minute egg using the pulsar as a timer. > >> > >> >3. I am traveling at 99.5% of the speed of light at right angles to that > >> >pulsar, and I am also boiling an egg using that pulsar as a timer. > >> > >> >4. Will we have counted the same number of pulses when the 3-minute egg is > >> >done? > >> > >> No. > > >Who will have counted the larger number of pulses and why? > > Should be rather obvious. > > Moving at 99.5% of c inertially relative to the pulsar (at right angles, > so no Doppler, good) is equivalent to using the frame of reference where > the spaceship is stationary and the pulsar is moving the opposite > direction at 99.5% c. Since moving clocks are perceived to run slow > by the stationary observer, the pulsar will be seen as running slow. At > 99.5% c gamma is about 10, so the pulsar will be perceived as ticking ~1 > time per 10 seconds. Nope. BZZZZZ! WRONG!!! Sorry. Why do you complicate this simple experiment by imagining the spaceship is stationary and the pulsar is moving in the opposite direction? I assume you ignore reality in order to use some mathematical model. Well, your math is WRONG. What is important to realize is that the twin on Earth will measure 180 pulsar ticks (180 seconds) while boiling a 3-minute egg. And his local clock will also measure 180 seconds or 3 minutes. The traveling twin will experience time dilation, i.e., the slowing of time. At 99.5% of the speed of light, one second for him will equal 10 seconds back on Earth. The pulsar doesn't move and it doesn't change tick rates. So, the twin on the space ship will measure the passing of 3 minutes or 180 seconds according to his own clocks while boiling his 3-minute egg, but the pulsar will have ticked 1,800 times during that same period. Ed
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| From | Wilbur Foley <boue@eywffl.uf> |
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| Date | 2018-09-10 16:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pn673j$ura$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #471272 |
Ed Lake wrote: > Why do you complicate this simple experiment by imagining the spaceship > is stationary and the pulsar is moving in the opposite direction? Never hear about pulsars moving, sorry. Pulsars are just staying there.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-10 09:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <8d7d330d-cb96-4bdd-bc99-c7461c2896ce@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471274 |
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:45:42 AM UTC-5, Wilbur Foley wrote: > Ed Lake wrote: > > > Why do you complicate this simple experiment by imagining the spaceship > > is stationary and the pulsar is moving in the opposite direction? > > Never hear about pulsars moving, sorry. Pulsars are just staying there. Yeah, that response was really bizarre. Evidently he has no mathematical model he can use when there is a third clock. So, he uses a model with just two clocks, and that requires that the pulsar most move and that the observer must be stationary. It shows that mathematical models do not always represent reality. And if they do not represent reality, your math results will be total nonsense. Ed
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-09-10 17:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pn6asm$c7j$4@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #471278 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:45:42 AM UTC-5, Wilbur Foley wrote: >> Ed Lake wrote: >> >> > Why do you complicate this simple experiment by imagining the spaceship >> > is stationary and the pulsar is moving in the opposite direction? >> >> Never hear about pulsars moving, sorry. Pulsars are just staying there. >Yeah, that response was really bizarre. Evidently he has no mathematical model >he can use when there is a third clock. So, he uses a model with just two >clocks, and that requires that the pulsar most move and that the observer >must be stationary. >It shows that mathematical models do not always represent reality. And if they do not represent reality, your math results will be total nonsense. hehehe...I was going to write my response to use relative motion only, but I just wanted to see Ed fall all over the place. LOL at Ed doing so. FAIL.
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2018-09-10 17:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <pn6alf$c7j$3@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #471272 |
Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:06:34 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> >> >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 10:40:26 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: >> >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:33:38 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: >> >> >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: >> >> >> >If you and I are measuring time using a pulsar as I travel at high speed >> >> >> >from Earth to Alpha Centauri, will it require the same number of pulses >> >> >> >of the pulsar for me to boil a 3-minute egg as it does for you back on >> >> >> >Earth? >> >> >> >> >> Don't know, does this take into account time dilation etc. of SR? >> >> >> >> >Of course it does. It's a simple question. My web page goes into great >> >> >detail about it. I'll phrase the question a different way: >> >> >> >> >1. There is a pulsar that flashes once per second when viewed from Earth. >> >> >> >> >2. You are on Earth boiling a 3 minute egg using the pulsar as a timer. >> >> >> >> >3. I am traveling at 99.5% of the speed of light at right angles to that >> >> >pulsar, and I am also boiling an egg using that pulsar as a timer. >> >> >> >> >4. Will we have counted the same number of pulses when the 3-minute egg is >> >> >done? >> >> >> >> No. >> >> >Who will have counted the larger number of pulses and why? >> >> Should be rather obvious. >> >> Moving at 99.5% of c inertially relative to the pulsar (at right angles, >> so no Doppler, good) is equivalent to using the frame of reference where >> the spaceship is stationary and the pulsar is moving the opposite >> direction at 99.5% c. Since moving clocks are perceived to run slow >> by the stationary observer, the pulsar will be seen as running slow. At >> 99.5% c gamma is about 10, so the pulsar will be perceived as ticking ~1 >> time per 10 seconds. >Nope. BZZZZZ! WRONG!!! Sorry. >Why do you complicate this simple experiment by imagining the spaceship >is stationary and the pulsar is moving in the opposite direction? Relative motion. Galileo. First Postulate of Relativity. I explicitly spelled it out in more detail since I knew you'd trip yourself up responding to it. Thanks for taking the bait! >I assume you ignore reality in order to use some mathematical model. Well, >your math is WRONG. Sorry, reality does show time dilation (moving clocks are perceived as slowing down). Regardless of whether you like the math or not. >What is important to realize is that the twin on Earth will measure 180 pulsar ticks (180 seconds) while boiling a 3-minute egg. And his local clock will >also measure 180 seconds or 3 minutes. >The traveling twin will experience time dilation, i.e., the slowing of time. So WTF do you have the pulsar speeding up?! >At 99.5% of the speed of light, one second for him will equal 10 seconds back >on Earth. You'll have to deal with Mr. Doppler, but ignoring that, the traveling twin will see the earth clock running 10 times slower. >The pulsar doesn't move and it doesn't change tick rates. Doesn't move relative to whom? Are you screwing up by assuming some sort of absolute rest frame, in which the pulsar is stationary? >So, the twin on the space ship will measure the passing of 3 minutes or 180 seconds according to his own clocks while boiling his 3-minute egg, but the >pulsar will have ticked 1,800 times during that same period. WTF with the speeding pulsar? Sounds like you have got time dilation back assward. SR time dilation never speeds things up. Sorry, I don't care for your fantasy science. Especially since you refuse to read/listen to experts in the field (called LEARNING). I'll stick with what that Einstein fellow said, no matter how many people here hate him.
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| From | Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-10 13:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <7005de82-7ca8-46f7-97d3-da8f3a59904c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471301 |
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 12:46:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > > >On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:06:34 AM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > >> > >> >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 10:40:26 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > >> >> > >> >> >On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 3:33:38 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> >> >> Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: > >> >> >> >If you and I are measuring time using a pulsar as I travel at high speed > >> >> >> >from Earth to Alpha Centauri, will it require the same number of pulses > >> >> >> >of the pulsar for me to boil a 3-minute egg as it does for you back on > >> >> >> >Earth? > >> >> > >> >> >> Don't know, does this take into account time dilation etc. of SR? > >> >> > >> >> >Of course it does. It's a simple question. My web page goes into great > >> >> >detail about it. I'll phrase the question a different way: > >> >> > >> >> >1. There is a pulsar that flashes once per second when viewed from Earth. > >> >> > >> >> >2. You are on Earth boiling a 3 minute egg using the pulsar as a timer. > >> >> > >> >> >3. I am traveling at 99.5% of the speed of light at right angles to that > >> >> >pulsar, and I am also boiling an egg using that pulsar as a timer. > >> >> > >> >> >4. Will we have counted the same number of pulses when the 3-minute egg is > >> >> >done? > >> >> > >> >> No. > >> > >> >Who will have counted the larger number of pulses and why? > >> > >> Should be rather obvious. > >> > >> Moving at 99.5% of c inertially relative to the pulsar (at right angles, > >> so no Doppler, good) is equivalent to using the frame of reference where > >> the spaceship is stationary and the pulsar is moving the opposite > >> direction at 99.5% c. Since moving clocks are perceived to run slow > >> by the stationary observer, the pulsar will be seen as running slow. At > >> 99.5% c gamma is about 10, so the pulsar will be perceived as ticking ~1 > >> time per 10 seconds. > > >Nope. BZZZZZ! WRONG!!! Sorry. > > >Why do you complicate this simple experiment by imagining the spaceship > >is stationary and the pulsar is moving in the opposite direction? > > Relative motion. Galileo. First Postulate of Relativity. So, your answer is your MISINTERPRETATION of those subjects? > > I explicitly spelled it out in more detail since I knew you'd trip > yourself up responding to it. Thanks for taking the bait! > > >I assume you ignore reality in order to use some mathematical model. Well, > >your math is WRONG. > > Sorry, reality does show time dilation (moving clocks are perceived as > slowing down). Regardless of whether you like the math or not. Nope. WRONG AGAIN. Reality shows time dilation CAUSES clocks to ACTUALLY slow down. In reality, you cannot "perceive" the clocks because they are a long distance away and probably traveling at very high speeds. Plus, "perceiving clocks" like that adds problems with the time it takes light to reach the observer. It isn't the math that is the problem, it is that you do not understand the REALITY of time dilation and relativity. All you understand is the math. > > >What is important to realize is that the twin on Earth will measure 180 pulsar ticks (180 seconds) while boiling a 3-minute egg. And his local clock will > >also measure 180 seconds or 3 minutes. > > >The traveling twin will experience time dilation, i.e., the slowing of time. > > So WTF do you have the pulsar speeding up?! What is WTF? Why TF? What TF? When TF? The pulsar does NOT speed up. It just sits there pulsing away at its regular rate. That's the whole point for using the pulsar. > > >At 99.5% of the speed of light, one second for him will equal 10 seconds back > >on Earth. > > You'll have to deal with Mr. Doppler, but ignoring that, the traveling > twin will see the earth clock running 10 times slower. Nonsense. There is no Doppler shift involved, and the traveling twin cannot see the earth clock. It is trillions of miles away. The main purpose of using a pulsar is so you do not have to use MAGIC to see a clock that is trillions of miles away. > > >The pulsar doesn't move and it doesn't change tick rates. > > Doesn't move relative to whom? Are you screwing up by assuming some sort > of absolute rest frame, in which the pulsar is stationary? No, I am talking about REALITY. The pulsar just sits there spinning. It may be moving relative to the Andromeda Galaxy, but that has nothing to do with anything. You are adding in nonsense and complicating a situation that is really very simple. > > >So, the twin on the space ship will measure the passing of 3 minutes or 180 seconds according to his own clocks while boiling his 3-minute egg, but the > >pulsar will have ticked 1,800 times during that same period. > > WTF with the speeding pulsar? Sounds like you have got time dilation back > assward. SR time dilation never speeds things up. THERE IS NO SPEEDING PULSAR - except in some idiotic mathematical model you seem to be obsessed with. You clearly do not understand time dilation at all. No one said SR time dilation speeds things up. Where did you get that from? The traveling twin is moving at 95% of the speed of light. Time for him moves at 1/10th the rate that it moves for the twin on Earth. So, because time is moving so slowly for the traveling twin, he sees the Earth orbit the sun every 36.5 days. And he sees the pulsar pulsing 10 times per second. > > Sorry, I don't care for your fantasy science. Especially since you refuse > to read/listen to experts in the field (called LEARNING). I'll stick with > what that Einstein fellow said, no matter how many people here hate him. But your BELIEFS have nothing to do with what Einstein wrote. That is what I am trying to explain to you. Because of their high speed, time slows down for the traveling twin and everything on his ship. That means he ages slower, he thinks slower, he digests food slower, etc. And, to him, everything outside of the ship seems to be moving faster than normal. That includes the pulsar. It also includes his twin brother back home. That is what time dilation means. Ed
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| From | Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-09-11 10:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1c812964-b02e-400a-ae58-361d46f3dfd1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #471324 |
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 4:29:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Lake wrote: > On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 12:46:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Moroney wrote: > > Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> writes: [] Copied back from a previous post by E.L. > >> >1. There is a pulsar that flashes once per second when viewed from Earth. > >> > >> >2. You are on Earth boiling a 3 minute egg using the pulsar as a timer. > >> > >> >3. I am traveling at 99.5% of the speed of light at right angles to that > >> >pulsar, and I am also boiling an egg using that pulsar as a timer. to Ed Lake Basically you are back to your majority vote clock scenario, a variation of theories assuming absolute motion, as I have pointed out to you before. > > > > >So, the twin on the space ship will measure the passing of 3 minutes or 180 seconds according to his own clocks while boiling his 3-minute egg, but the > > >pulsar will have ticked 1,800 times during that same period. > > > > WTF with the speeding pulsar? Sounds like you have got time dilation back > > assward. SR time dilation never speeds things up. > > THERE IS NO SPEEDING PULSAR - except in some idiotic mathematical model you > seem to be obsessed with. You clearly do not understand time dilation at > all. No one said SR time dilation speeds things up. Where did you get that from? > > The traveling twin is moving at 95% of the speed of light. Time for him moves at 1/10th the rate that it moves for the twin on Earth. So, because time is > moving so slowly for the traveling twin, he sees the Earth orbit the sun every > 36.5 days. And he sees the pulsar pulsing 10 times per second. > > > > > Sorry, I don't care for your fantasy science. Especially since you refuse > > to read/listen to experts in the field (called LEARNING). I'll stick with > > what that Einstein fellow said, no matter how many people here hate him. > > But your BELIEFS have nothing to do with what Einstein wrote. That is what I am trying to explain to you. > You finally said something close to correct: VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV > Because of their high speed, time slows down for the traveling twin and Yes it is TIME that slows, not the clock, not the egg cooking, and not the biology of the twin. > everything on his ship. That means he ages slower, he thinks slower, he > digests food slower, etc. And, to him, everything outside of the ship > seems to be moving faster than normal. That includes the pulsar. It also > includes his twin brother back home. That is what time dilation means. > > Ed Ed
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