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Time is Relative

Started byThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
First post2018-08-06 15:25 -0700
Last post2018-08-07 21:17 -0700
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  Time is Relative The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-06 15:25 -0700
    Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 15:33 -0700
      Re: Time is Relative Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-07 04:06 +0200
        Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 19:19 -0700
          Re: Time is Relative Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.hn> - 2018-08-07 09:54 +0000
            Re: Time is Relative Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-08-07 18:56 +0200
              Re: Time is Relative Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.hn> - 2018-08-08 11:00 +0000
                Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-08 11:41 -0700
            Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-07 10:33 -0700
              Re: Time is Relative Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.hn> - 2018-08-08 19:30 +0000
                Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-08 18:28 -0700
                  Re: Time is Relative Owen Scharff <nehh@fenohw.ho> - 2018-08-11 10:40 +0000
                    Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-11 11:11 -0700
                      Re: Time is Relative Lovu Biftek <ufeli@fupuks.cl> - 2018-08-13 21:27 +0000
                        Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-13 18:07 -0700
                          Re: Time is Relative Brandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr> - 2018-08-30 22:46 +0000
                            Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 15:53 -0700
                              Re: Time is Relative "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-30 15:58 -0700
                                Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 16:02 -0700
                                  Re: Time is Relative "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-08-30 16:45 -0700
                              Re: Time is Relative Brandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr> - 2018-08-31 11:42 +0000
                            Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-30 15:54 -0700
                              Re: Time is Relative Brandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr> - 2018-08-31 11:39 +0000
          Re: Time is Relative Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-08 00:07 +0200
    Re: Time is Relative The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-07 09:14 -0700
      Re: Time is Relative Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-08 00:09 +0200
        Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-07 17:45 -0700
        Re: Time is Relative The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-08-07 20:21 -0700
          Re: Time is Relative Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-08 06:11 +0200
          Re: Time is Relative mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-08-07 21:17 -0700

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#469996

FromBrandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr>
Date2018-08-31 11:42 +0000
Message-ID<pmb9jf$1ddr$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#469954
mitchrae3323 wrote:

>> > No. Your own real motion creates that opposite appearance.
>> > And when you begin to move yourself there will be an opposite
>> > weight...
>> > for example getting onto the freeway there is enough to sense. There
>> > is opposite weight with your accelerating body and car seat...
>> 
>> Negative. Moving inside a dark hall, training for the next moon
>> landing, where is your opposite appearance?
> 
> Darkness?
> It occurs around you regardless of whether you have light Roy Masters...
> When I begin to move things directly ahead appear to move toward me.
> To the right or left is the backward appearance. Looking behind they are
> appearance moving behind me...

Let's try again, inside a close elevator you wound be able to see any 
opposite appearance.

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#469957

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-08-30 15:54 -0700
Message-ID<8280f612-b0d7-432a-b2df-785c47488c33@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#469951
On Thursday, August 30, 2018 at 3:46:12 PM UTC-7, Brandi Hofmann wrote:
> mitchrae3323 wrote:
> 
> >> >> You said "around", not me. If you turn around there is no
> >> >> "backward".
> >> > 
> >> > There is changing direction. I say around because it doesn't matter
> >> > where you look.
> >> 
> >> Of course it does, when you change the orientation of your head, the
> >> buildings are moving accordingly inversely. Can't you even visualize
> >> that??
> > 
> > No. Your own real motion creates that opposite appearance.
> > And when you begin to move yourself there will be an opposite weight...
> > for example getting onto the freeway there is enough to sense. 
> > There is opposite weight with your accelerating body and car seat...
> 
> Negative. Moving inside a dark hall, training for the next moon landing, 
> where is your opposite appearance?

I have my own real motion. Opposite appearances are made from it...

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#469995

FromBrandi Hofmann <ohifu@awdwf.nr>
Date2018-08-31 11:39 +0000
Message-ID<pmb9ct$1ddr$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#469957
mitchrae3323 wrote:

>> >> Of course it does, when you change the orientation of your head, the
>> >> buildings are moving accordingly inversely. Can't you even visualize
>> >> that??
>> > 
>> > No. Your own real motion creates that opposite appearance.
>> > And when you begin to move yourself there will be an opposite
>> > weight...
>> > for example getting onto the freeway there is enough to sense. There
>> > is opposite weight with your accelerating body and car seat...
>> 
>> Negative. Moving inside a dark hall, training for the next moon
>> landing,
>> where is your opposite appearance?
> 
> I have my own real motion. Opposite appearances are made from it...

You don't get it. Where are your detectors and instruments? Did you read 
those specifications before use? Not after, before.

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#467251

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-08-08 00:07 +0200
Message-ID<4d841b3f-ce21-878a-8e04-6e3f056ea6c3@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#467164
mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 7:06:08 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>                                dt  = γ dτ,
>>
>>                                dt  = dτ∕√(1 − v²∕c²),
>>
>> so if v = 0 (the watch on your wrist is not moving relative to you)
>>
>>                                dt  = dτ∕√1
>>                                dt  = dτ.
>>
>> So YOUR OWN coordinate time is just PROPER time REGARDLESS whether and how
>> you/your watch/clocks AT REST RELATIVE TO YOU (observer) move relative to
>> SOMETHING ELSE. ∎
> 
> [insult]

I pity you.

> I can move myself.

That does not change the (non-)motion of your arm relative to your eyes or
the (non-)motion of your watch relative to your arm.  So your watch is
(approximately) at rest relative to you.  Surely you can see that now?

> The only relative is the backward appearance of motion around my real motion...

Not even wrong.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#467216

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-08-07 09:14 -0700
Message-ID<5B69C576.58AD@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#467146
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> i seem to have heard that before...


i mean..i heard that expression long ago "Time is Relative".


It's very simple. It means time is relative.

It means that time only exist from the observers perspective, nowhere else.

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#467252

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-08-08 00:09 +0200
Message-ID<b6f48882-35ec-a44e-ad16-fed2fff10a27@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#467216
The Starmaker wrote:
> […] It means time is relative.
> 
> It means that time only exist from the observers perspective, nowhere else.

No, it means that each observer has their own time if they are moving
relative to each other (or are in environments with different spacetime
curvature.)

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#467264

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-08-07 17:45 -0700
Message-ID<c44a33a1-f788-4b2f-b7dd-b67d958792ff@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#467252
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 3:09:27 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > […] It means time is relative.
> > 
> > It means that time only exist from the observers perspective, nowhere else.
> 
> No, it means that each observer has their own time if they are moving
> relative to each other (or are in environments with different spacetime
> curvature.)
> 
> -- 
> PointedEars
> 
> Twitter: @PointedEars2
> Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

There is Doppler Time just as there is Doppler Light and sound.
Then there is real time slow.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#467270

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2018-08-07 20:21 -0700
Message-ID<5B6A619D.5073@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#467252
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > […] It means time is relative.
> >
> > It means that time only exist from the observers perspective, nowhere else.
> 
> No, it means that each observer has their own time if they are moving
> relative to each other (or are in environments with different spacetime
> curvature.)
> 
> --
> PointedEars
> 
> Twitter: @PointedEars2
> Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.


only one observer is required.

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#467272

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2018-08-08 06:11 +0200
Message-ID<1f30ed95-8a2b-7b3e-fb14-4b67fa24f759@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#467270
The Starmaker wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>> […] It means time is relative.
>>>
>>> It means that time only exist from the observers perspective, nowhere else.
>>
>> No, it means that each observer has their own time if they are moving
>> relative to each other (or are in environments with different spacetime
>> curvature.)
> 
> only one observer is required.

That is not a contradiction to what I wrote.

Learn to quote.

Get a real name.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#467273

Frommitchrae3323@gmail.com
Date2018-08-07 21:17 -0700
Message-ID<1c708455-0669-4ef8-a009-36889815ab1e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#467270
On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 8:20:08 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> > 
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > [匽 It means time is relative.
> > >
> > > It means that time only exist from the observers perspective, nowhere else.
> > 
> > No, it means that each observer has their own time if they are moving
> > relative to each other (or are in environments with different spacetime
> > curvature.)
> > 
> > --
> > PointedEars
> > 
> > Twitter: @PointedEars2
> > Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.
> 
> 
> only one observer is required.

You have your own rate... as other observers have theirs...

Mitchell Raemsch

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